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Default Qualcomm TOQ: too weak to run Android Wear ROMs I guess...

So, a "number" of OEMs are using Qualcomm SOCs for their Android Wear devices.

So my guess would be that Qualcomm TOQ is a "reference platform" for Android Wear.

Perhaps there may be ROMs released.... or leaked given that OEMs surely have them already.

No source code for now....

I'm guessing the kernel will be the more or less usual Android variant of the Linux kernel, perhaps with fewer drivers/features. And it's ARM of course.

How similar to standard Android on the higher level ?

I'm still pretty new to smart-watches. I haven't looked at the preview SDK yet.

EDIT: Uses an STM micro, too weak I'd guess to run Android (Wear variant).


EDIT: Looking now, and wondering if the code will even be open sourced ? Google may want to have more control this time around. Google, and the HW OEMs, might even put in roadblocks to custom ROMs even if the source is open, including the usual device locking of course.

http://developer.android.com/wear/preview/start.html :
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Caution: Do not install apps on the Android Wear emulator. The system does not support traditional Android apps and the result of running such apps is unpredictable.
LOL. Time to try some of my apps and see what happens.

EDIT2: My app UI works !, although the UI is very squished. Looks almost like normal Android (from the app/dev point of view, Launcher or whatever UI is very different). I'm sure a whole bunch of APIs don't work and some will never work.
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hm they use their cpus, why not the displays?

mirasol displays seem to be the perfekt ones
http://www.qualcomm.com/mirasol/technology
 
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I really doubt that the toq can run google wear. It is using a 200mhz non snapdragon soc.
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I really doubt that the toq can run google wear. It is using a 200mhz non snapdragon soc.
Is there a teardown of it somewhere ?
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I really think the android wear platform is going to be locked down. I even doubt google will allow oem customization beyond maybe some skinning. Wearables is too fragile of a market to allow the amount of freedom we have on android phones/tablets. So, that means it'll probably have specific hardware requirements and such that prevent it from running on devices that weren't intended to run it. Even if it were remotely possible it wouldn't work very well. Look at other porting projects like Windows phone to android devices and sense for non-htc devices.
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I'm leaning towards Google treating "Android Wear" the same as "Android Phone/Tablet".

Google has never hesitated to be open with the "basic" code to run Nexus devices. Open source is good for them.

That's the low level stuff that they build upon and REALLY protect with closed source and licensing requirements: Google Play, GMail, etc.

It's in their interest for everybody to be build the compatible low level.


I don't think Google has committed on the matter publicly yet, funny.
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Is there a teardown of it somewhere ?
I was looking up a part number after tearing down one and found theTech Insights report: http://www.techinsights.com/uploaded...ple_Report.pdf
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I was looking up a part number after tearing down one and found theTech Insights report: http://www.techinsights.com/uploaded...ple_Report.pdf
Thanks ! I thought there was only one teardown and it cost $1250 to see.

So, STMicroelectronics STM32F207IGH6 ARM Cortex-M3 32-Bit Microcontroller...

Not a Qualcomm SOC/CPU. And only 16 MB of RAM ???

I don't think this will ever run Wear.

I guess it's just an early prototype, of Mirasol among other things.
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Thanks ! I thought there was only one teardown and it cost $1250 to see.
Which company was that?

Let me say for the purposes of CYA that I found the Tech Insights link merely by searching for the term "wcn2243 data sheet" Which is one on of the smaller chips on the Toq.
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Which company was that?

Let me say for the purposes of CYA that I found the Tech Insights link merely by searching for the term "wcn2243 data sheet" Which is one on of the smaller chips on the Toq.
Same company, more detailed report, including some die photos. Advertised for $1250 here: http://www.techinsights.com/reports-...ReportKey=9830

You linked to a legitimate sample report, linked from this page: http://www.techinsights.com/teardown...ample-reports/


I looked at the firmware for the 1st Sony smartwatch and could see several of the hardware components and some proprietary RTOS. Sony supposedly "opened" the watch, but it's just a toy OS last I looked. They weren't releasing anywhere near enough code to replicate stock.

Anyway, the TOQ parts list seems somewhat reasonably similar; there's probably just a few common designs out there. But things may be changing if the new watches will run an actual variant of Android; ARM based micro-controllers being replaced with I guess more powerful "SOCs", not that it's too easy to distinguish a SOC from a micro...


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