Qtek 1010 Upgrade

[pgabriel]

have Qtek 1010 in Hungary.
ROM version: 3.14.06 ENG
ROM date: 10/01/02
Radio version: 3.07
Model No.: PW10A1

Possibly upgrade my PDA with the ROM 3.16.13 ENG and Radio 3.19.01 or not ?
After the upgrade working my PDA or not ?
What's new that new version ?
Why need the upgrade ?

Sorry but I'm begginer.

[Zviratko]

Already posted in another thread:
The image can be downloaded on the first site...
however, I have just reflashed my XDA/MDA with the older irish ROM, it has plenty more features than this one, GPRS standby and ISDN call type.

Don't trust the version numbers :)

in other words, get yourself the irish update (3.15.15 & 4.16)

[NoBackUp]

in other words, get yourself the irish update (3.15.15 & 4.16)

So why dont u just give a link too the files so he can try for himself..

[Zviratko]

1) I usually post from XDA, I wont search a page like that one to find him a link
2) a man of average intelligence can find the link himself, if not, he can mail someone

p.s. I've mistaken Irish update for a Dutch one, sorry, just keep looking for 3.15.15 & 4.16 versions

[Anonymous]

My Qtek works great with the new ROM.
Now ROM: 3.16.13 ENG and RADIO: 3.19.01

Thanks

[den]

My Qtek works great with the new ROM.
Now ROM: 3.16.13 ENG and RADIO: 3.19.01


Guys, why are you all upgrading your devices so furiously? What are the advantages/benefits of the (different) upgrades? Any disadvantages? Is there any possible interference between the GSM company and the new upgraded PPC?
So, should I upgrade my plain vanilla Qtek 1010 (it sports the provided v3.15.09ENG for ROM and v3.07 for Radio) too?
many thanks,
[den]

[NoBackUp]

If you only use GPRS and not ISDN Dial up profile..I find that i get better stability and thruput with the 3.19/3.16 upgrade...one of the guys here from CZ will tell you not to try it because its cr@p...nut i find it to be more stable and you may find the qtek upgrade better for your qtek..it has also improved the batt life on mine (me Mega big caller 3+ hours a day...)

upto you mate.. 8)

[den]

upto you mate.. 8)

Thanks buddy, yesterday I called my operator company if there is an official ROM upgrade, and the tech guys said, that there is one on the way (and there is good chance, that it will be MMS capable too), so I wait (god, I hate waiting :) ), and try to keep away myself from the dl-ed juicy-sweet ROMs. :D
Time will tell if it was worth or not.
[den]

[Anonymous]

If you only use GPRS and not ISDN Dial up profile..I find that i get better stability and thruput with the 3.19/3.16 upgrade...one of the guys here from CZ will tell you not to try it because its cr@p...nut i find it to be more stable and you may find the qtek upgrade better for your qtek..it has also improved the batt life on mine (me Mega big caller 3+ hours a day...)

upto you mate.. 8)

3.19/3.16 totally rocks! I used to be unable to stay connected on MSN Messenger (and other messenger services), but after upgrading everything is just super. Instead of being disconnected every couple of minutes, I can now stay online for hours.

/b

[NoBackUp]

3.19/3.16 totally rocks! I used to be unable to stay connected on MSN Messenger (and other messenger services), but after upgrading everything is just super. Instead of being disconnected every couple of minutes, I can now stay online for hours.

/b

Dont speack too loudly or Zviratko will flame you as well :D as he has told me on more than one reply that 3.19/316 is cr@p and only his update version are cool...but i am with you I am vereeeeeeeeeeeeeey pleased with the update...my 1010 dont crash or hang any more ! and the GPRS improvments are way cooooool...

Cheers..

[Zviratko]

This update is OK :) it does things your previous ancient version hasn't been capable of...

what I was saying is, that the "older" one, offers the same PLUS some more functions

If I'm not mistaken, this version is not SIM-Toolkit enabled :) mine is :) that's what counts for me because I use it for GSM Banking :-P

[Anonymous]

This update is OK :) it does things your previous ancient version hasn't been capable of...

what I was saying is, that the "older" one, offers the same PLUS some more functions

If I'm not mistaken, this version is not SIM-Toolkit enabled :) mine is :) that's what counts for me because I use it for GSM Banking :-P

A search on Google gives that GSM Banking seems to be something that is limited to countries in the eastern parts of Europe, Balkan and possibly Italy and Spain. So until it reaches the banks and service providers in Sweden I'll go for the latest version, SIM-Toolkit or not.

[Zviratko]

as I already said...
1) Don't trust version numbers
2) Don't trust release date

3.16.16 is OLDER than 3.15.15
HTC releases updates and gives them to the OEM manufacturers (O2, Qtek, T-Mobile and other telecoms). Then it's up to the manufacturer to modify and distribute this image.
Apparently, O2 implemented a more recent version from HTC in their older update.
And Qtek implemented an older version... but released it later.
Is that clear?
I am in no way arguing about how-it's-useful-for-you. If you don't need SIM toolkit, don't need ISDN, don't need the other functions, it doesn't matter which version you use.
But for most people, it is better to flash the new version than the old one.

</flamewar>
;]

[Anonymous]

as I already said...
1) Don't trust version numbers
2) Don't trust release date

3.16.16 is OLDER than 3.15.15


Hmmm.... What proof do you have for this other than the missing SIM Toolkit and ISDN? Is there an internal version number or date? Or how do you know?

To me it makes perfect sense not to include the SIM Toolkit in a ROM upgrade for Scandinavia. And I don't know how and when I would use the ISDN mode as in Sweden I always use GPRS, so that may also be market specific.

Please enlighten me!

[Zviratko]

ISDN is a digital data call. If you call to a digital device/service (Typicaly Wap gateway) it's much more stable with digital call than analogue one(and a bit faster).
GPRS is just another option.

Proof? No proof :) I've tried, I've seen, I got rid of it :)

I don't think Qtek has engineers for hacking SIM toolkit out, they just released an older version. That's all.

[Anonymous]

ISDN is a digital data call. If you call to a digital device/service (Typicaly Wap gateway) it's much more stable with digital call than analogue one(and a bit faster).
GPRS is just another option.

Proof? No proof :) I've tried, I've seen, I got rid of it :)

I don't think Qtek has engineers for hacking SIM toolkit out, they just released an older version. That's all.

How about this for a thought: The ROM images are not delivered to the OEM:s as images but as a collection of modules with the possibility to add or remove things before they are compiled into an image. The version number tells you the version of the core of the image, which is common to all distributions. This would make it possible for each vendor to include market specific packages while keeping the core functionality the same and could also explain why you find more functionality in an older package from one vendor than in a newer package from another.

BTW, with a full WAP/HTML browser on your phone is there really a need for the SIM Toolkit app? Doesn't SIM toolkit just make it possible to reach wap-sites using a browser on the sim if the phone lacks a browser?

[Zviratko]

No, SIM toolkit is basicaly an application which handles service SMSes. For example I have a SIM toolkit menus of Info&Entertainment, M-Payment and M-Bank. Each one allows me to choose a service through a menu (Like Info&Entertainment->Foreign news->Subscribe allows me to subscribe to a category to be delivered daily) all without the need of knowing where and what to send (without SIM toolkit I'd have to send "ZPR D" to 7777 as an SMS). M-Banking handles more things like receiving authorization SMS from my bank etc.
SIM service may be used to reach wap sites in the mean of choosing a category (Like on Eurotel CZ giving category "Juice" with links on a WAP site), but it still needs external browser to launch.

I was thinking it was modular with a common core, but I haven't seen anything that was more recent than I have in the "newer" version. And I don't see reason to not implement something if it was there.
And you are still misusing words "newer" and "older". 3.16 is "new" release of an "old" version. 3.15.15 is newer, but was released earlier. First ROM version (in beta versions) were actually 4.x :)

Btw. Pocket IE is not a full WAP browser, it doesn't handle wap APN, wap gateways and WMLProxies. It just handles WML (which is in fact a simplier HTML)

[NoBackUp]

ISDN is a digital data call. If you call to a digital device/service (Typicaly Wap gateway) it's much more stable with digital call than analogue one(and a bit faster).
GPRS is just another option.

Proof? No proof :) I've tried, I've seen, I got rid of it :)

I don't think Qtek has engineers for hacking SIM toolkit out, they just released an older version. That's all.

AFIK

1) Qtek is just a reseller the IMAGE comes direct from HTC as Qtek is not an operator so its just an indirect brand of HTC.

2) ISDN Dial up does not use SWITCHED PACKET, which means that your Digital/Analogue comparison is correct but has nothing to do with GPRS, due to the fact that in ISDN dial up mode you are paying for the a) connection time b) throughput is limited to one traffic bearer i.e. 9.6 d) setup can not occur if all traffic channels of a base are BUSY c) in GPRS you only pay for the data transferred

3) SIM toolkit is really only useful on dumb phones without full browser or where the carrier adds additional services which they want to be easily accessed via a menu on the phone. No terrible relevant if I have a full Browser and my Bank has a proper portal.

And I guess that some one in Germany could say that its bad that the Qtek/MDA does not support HSCD which is a cheaper form of Always on (I don’t know if the xda supports this or not, but in my market it aint present)

Don’t forget that updates from O2 or TMobile will be better for their networks as they will more closely match features available on that network/market, whilst Qtek is an independent supplier. Who have to cater for products being used here in Dubai and in Sweden to name but a few.

OH and here is one for the road...in most advanced networks WAP is dead due to the fact that after the initial Hype the consumer moved quickly on to smartphones with real browsers...

[Zviratko]

I have a feeling you don't know what you're talking about
1) Wap is not dead (yet)
2) Qtek does have to do some branding because of the startup screen.
3) I know what the difference between dial-up and GPRS is, I test it for a mobile carrier! I don't know why you're talking about it...
4) it's not HSCD but HSCSD (High speed circuit switched data), and it's WAY better and faster than GPRS. And it has NOTHING in common with always on. ISDN and analogue data calls are CSD Calls (Circuit switched data) with one timeslot shared for upstream and downstream. HSCSD is Hight speed, it bonds several timeslots together like GPRS does, but it doesn't do that dynamicaly but per-call. GPRS is usually charged for data, HSCSD and CSD are charged per minute.
5) There is no added functionality in T-Mobile ROMs. It's the same as for O2. Just branded with another startup screen and less links to their (expensively paid) services. (this applies for europe)

Go play with kiddos and leave this stuff to techies :-P
You really make me upset :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[NoBackUp]

I have a feeling you don't know what you're talking about

2) Qtek does have to do some branding because of the startup screen.

oooooooooo and who puts the Startup screen on the iPaq...Compaq...me thinks not...no they order it from HTC built that way...thats why HTC is called a ODM !


3) I know what the difference between dial-up and GPRS is, I test it for a mobile carrier! I don't know why you're talking about it...

You Dont Seem to Show it...
BTW I used to be part of one of the ETSI working groups dreaming this stuff up...

4) ISDN and analogue data calls are CSD Calls (Circuit switched data) with one timeslot shared for upstream and downstream.

Exactly One TIME slot can only pass so much data ....in both GPRS and HSCSD Multi slots are used 4+1 ect so how can 1+1 be faster...


HSCSD is Hight speed, it bonds several timeslots together like GPRS does, but it doesn't do that dynamicaly but per-call. GPRS is usually charged for data, HSCSD and CSD are charged per minute.

Exactly thats why GPRS is better than paying for your connection time...! and also in the event that the cell is near saturaion GPRS can still provide truput....and not stop others from using voice cct, thats why carriers prefer it cause they can make dual use of the same traffic bearers... as multi subscribers can share the resource !...


5) There is no added functionality in T-Mobile ROMs. It's the same as for O2. Just branded with another startup screen and less links to their (expensively paid) services. (this applies for europe)

eeeeeeeh You were trying to make the point that the non qtek version is the best because of the additional features now you are saying thats not true ...strange...!!


Go play with kiddos and leave this stuff to techies :-P
You really make me upset :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

....No pesonal atacks only shows who is kiddie like...

seems to me alot of pepole here are agreeing that the 3.16/3.19 is ok for them ...you seem always as soon as some one comments on how good they find it...your right in there telling them that they are mistaken...how can so many people be so wrong...you even flamed the guy who said


"To me it makes perfect sense not to include the SIM Toolkit in a ROM upgrade for Scandinavia. And I don't know how and when I would use the ISDN mode as in Sweden I always use GPRS, so that may also be market specific.
"
You still argue that

"But for most people, it is better to flash the new version than the old one."

Why ? he is happy

In another thread you mis quote your self twice and give inccorect information on the update that for you is so cool, leaving the reader not knowing if its the dutch or the irish update that they should take....

me thinks you should cool down and stop just commenting for the sake of saying something...

[Anonymous]

Hey Zviratko, don't be angry with us just because we're not convinced by your arguments for 3.16 being "older" than 3.15. :)

1) Wap is not dead (yet)

Well... not far from it though. With clients having more and more complete browsing facilities the need to code WML is rapidly dissapearing. Of course, most ordinary HTML web pages will be too slow (and expensive!) over GPRS, but with more and more sites including special versions for mobile browsers this is an overgoing issue.

2) Qtek does have to do some branding because of the startup screen.

The rebranding to Qtek seems to be carried out by http://www.carrierdevices.com/. Perhaps they do the rebranding for O2, T-Mobile, Siemens etc as well? Will the branding change if you change the ROM to one from another reseller? I guess at least the link to your reseller on the Pocket IE starting page should change.

For a "techie" I think you are a bit fast to draw the conclusion that the release dubbed 3.16 is older than 3.15 just because the SIM Toolkit is not delivered in 3.16. :( Couldn't it be tha last two digits in the version number that defines if the toolkit is included or not? 3.16.13 is for a market without toolkit and 3.15.15 is for one with. Perhaps another 3.16.xx with the toolkit included will show up for you guys that need it?

The SIM Toolkit was used to add a simple WAP browser to phones like the Ericsson T28 for the operator to be able to provide services to people with old phones. The browser is fully included in the SIM card, and the experience to the user is not that of a wap browser. Instead it is like having an extra set of menues in the phone. But underneath the skin it is just a small wap browser.

[Zviratko]

Hey Zviratko, don't be angry with us just because we're not convinced by your arguments for 3.16 being "older" than 3.15. :)

1) Wap is not dead (yet)

Well... not far from it though. With clients having more and more complete browsing facilities the need to code WML is rapidly dissapearing. Of course, most ordinary HTML web pages will be too slow (and expensive!) over GPRS, but with more and more sites including special versions for mobile browsers this is an overgoing issue.

2) Qtek does have to do some branding because of the startup screen.

The rebranding to Qtek seems to be carried out by http://www.carrierdevices.com/. Perhaps they do the rebranding for O2, T-Mobile, Siemens etc as well? Will the branding change if you change the ROM to one from another reseller? I guess at least the link to your reseller on the Pocket IE starting page should change.

For a "techie" I think you are a bit fast to draw the conclusion that the release dubbed 3.16 is older than 3.15 just because the SIM Toolkit is not delivered in 3.16. :( Couldn't it be tha last two digits in the version number that defines if the toolkit is included or not? 3.16.13 is for a market without toolkit and 3.15.15 is for one with. Perhaps another 3.16.xx with the toolkit included will show up for you guys that need it?

The SIM Toolkit was used to add a simple WAP browser to phones like the Ericsson T28 for the operator to be able to provide services to people with old phones. The browser is fully included in the SIM card, and the experience to the user is not that of a wap browser. Instead it is like having an extra set of menues in the phone. But underneath the skin it is just a small wap browser.

1) Well, WAP is dying, but it is still the preffered way for most of users to get some information while on the move. It's fast, not so expensive and optimized for normalni (*not-so-smart*) mobile phones.

2) I don't quite understand. The OEM on your IE home page changes with ROM - it's not common between devices.
It's not just simtoolkit. I noticed no difference between old 3.14 (from 9/2002)and new 3.16(01/2003).

That was called WAP over SMS and was quickly deprecated. Ericsson T28 had SMS WAP client and capability of SIM Toolkit making use of it(also Nokia 7110 and 6150 afaik). That's all. Features on SIM still have to be supported by the phone, in this case, SIM contained a set of commands for each category to be sent over SMS. The reply was handed to the phone.

[NoBackUp]

It's not 4+1, it can be X+X where X is from 1 to 8 for upstream and 1 to infity for downstream. 1+1? Where did that come from?

Please get the facts straight:-

GPRS works with 2 components: the Coding Schemes (up to 4) and the Time Slots (up to 8 while 8 is the maximum a GSM/GPRS Base Station supports; doesn't matter if it is voice or data).

So how can you achive 1 to infinity ?

Thats not to mention :-

The GPRS standard defines 29 handset classes while the first 12 classes are the most important. These classes defines how many time slots the devices supports for sending and receiving data and how many time slots can be used simultaneously

Typical handset classes today are "4" and "10" but what does it mean?
A Class 4 device can use 3 time slots for downloading data and 1 slot only for uploading data. It supports a maximum of 4 slots to be used simultaneously which means all available time slots can be used at the same time
Typical Class 4 devices are the o2 xda, T-Mobile MDA/Phone Edition.

A Class 10 device supports 4 time slots for downloading data and 2 slots for uploading but supports a maximum of 5 slots to be used simultaneously. This means a 4 + 1 or 3 + 2 GPRS connection. This is assigned dynamically by the handset, depending if you are requesting or sending data.


Now lets look at the Dynamics of GPRS v HSCSD....

Time slots are the available channels which can be bundled. While you need one time slot for voice only you can bundle this time slots for data. This is also used for HSCSD (High Speed Circuit Switched Data) and for sure for GPRS also. What does it mean: Depending on the network condition and the current traffic in your area/Base Station (BTS) the network can gives you more or less time slots to be used for GPRS. While you can request an amount of time slots with HSCSD but this can be rejected; the amount of time slots is assigned dynamically on GPRS.

So under best conditions you could get 8 time slots which would mean no one else, attached to the same Base Station, could make a phone call anymore because you use all the available bandwidth. So the operators implemented 4 time slots for GPRS only which means you can use up to 4 * CS1/CS2. However this depends also on the traffic and on noon it could be that you get 1 * CS1/CS2 only.

In theory, with CS2, you could reach a GPRS speed of 107.20 Kbit/s = 8 * 13.4 Kb/s while using 4 channels in reality you can get 53.6 Kbit/s. With CS1 a maximum GPRS speed of 72.4 Kbit/s is possible in theory and in reality a speed of 36.2 Kbit/s.

thats not to mention the case where the bundled request is rejected due to other trafic and 0 input can be had via CSD type connections HSCSD/Dialup .

Since GPRS is TCP/IP based, the network can accepts more GPRS user than it has available bandwidth because TCP/IP is used anti-cyclical. The attached users will never request data at the same time but with time delays.

Or the fact that it is a Bl@@DY expensive way of doing data.


Apart from all of the above ...you just dont seem to get it..just because something works for you and your life...you continually impose your beliefs and requierments on others in such a manner that the newbie feels compeled to follow your suggestion...

you might want to consider the fact that

1) The network/provider in their area dont support the function which you are saying is a must have !
2) Most people dont need the extras as they have no use so they dont give a D@m
3) they want improved stability and reliability

Therefore:-

Advice should no be given in such a way as to infere that life on the planet will stop next tuesday if they dont adhere to your comments.


BTW if you took the time to read what is written and what you yourself have said in your 78 posts , you might begin to see the GAP in a) what is being said and your haisty reply and b) in your own comments...


Parts of the above (C)2002 Arne Hess so as you dont just try and say something smart about my knowlage..

[Zviratko]

Don't have time to reply to everything... maybe tomorrow

Parts of above (r) (c) are bullshit, others are right.
XDA is Class 8 (maybe just Class 4 with your ROM :))))

Operators implement different numbers of timeslots for GPRS, mine has 5.

Dualband networks have more than 8 timeslots per cell. (but 8 timeslots is maximum for device)

You are right, it's not 1-inf but 1-8.

If you get your timeslots for HSCSD, you don't loose them until you are forced to handover to another cell, that's why it's more reliable than GPRS. And it has much better response time (GPRS 800ms typicaly, HSCSD 300ms)

Goddamn functions, the ROM is just newer. I don't care if you believe it or not.
btw "Improved stability and reliability"? Which version did they have? That says nothing at all.

[NoBackUp]

Parts of above (r) (c) are bullshit, others are right.
XDA is Class 8 (maybe just Class 4 with your ROM :))))

from the specs :

GPRS Class B, Multislot 4R1T which would cause it on a 4 GPRS slot network to act like a Class 4 ! and apart from that its a hardware issue....i.e. the software is limited by the hardware....no blood out of a stone...


Operators implement different numbers of timeslots for GPRS, mine has 5.

Dualband networks have more than 8 timeslots per cell. (but 8 timeslots is maximum for device)

cant use 2 bands at the same time !!! ergo 8 on a band/cell


If you get your timeslots for HSCSD, you don't loose them until you are forced to handover to another cell, that's why it's more reliable than GPRS. And it has much better response time (GPRS 800ms typicaly, HSCSD 300ms)


but that means that no other user can use the cell...which pisses people off ...and they call the operater and complain...and the operters dont like this ...cause people then swap to another provider which gives them a higher "availibility" for their POTS...

So whilst technicaly GOOD...GPRS is from a user/customer satisfaction (not the one using the HSCSD/Dial Up DATA connection) stand point better, and that is why it's limited in its roll out world wide...


btw "Improved stability and reliability"? Which version did they have? That says nothing at all.

....if you took time to read some of the people who (you are flaming) have moved to the 3.16/3.19 are reporting just that...

[Zviratko]

Parts of above (r) (c) are bullshit, others are right.
XDA is Class 8 (maybe just Class 4 with your ROM :))))

from the specs :

GPRS Class B, Multislot 4R1T which would cause it on a 4 GPRS slot network to act like a Class 4 !

From my specs
Multishot class 8 (4R1T)
Of course it will behave like Class 4 on a 4-timeslot network, what do you expect? :)
;-P


Operators implement different numbers of timeslots for GPRS, mine has 5.

Dualband networks have more than 8 timeslots per cell. (but 8 timeslots is maximum for device)

cant use 2 bands at the same time !!! ergo 8 on a band/cell

hehe, you don't know what dualband means :)
900/1800 = dualband :) 1800 MHz has more timeslot per cell

If you get your timeslots for HSCSD, you don't loose them until you are forced to handover to another cell, that's why it's more reliable than GPRS. And it has much better response time (GPRS 800ms typicaly, HSCSD 300ms)


but that means that no other user can use the cell...which pisses people off ...and they call the operator and complain...and the opertor do like this ...cause people then swap to another provider which gives them a higher "availibility" for thier POTS...

So whilst technicaly GOOD...GPRS is from a user/customer satisfaction (not the one using the HSCSD/Dial Up DATA connection), and that is why it's limited in its roll out world wide...

Our national "Business" operator Eurotel, which has the most efficient and reliable network, is the only operator in Czech republic with HSCSD implemented. He also has the most customers of all. Got the point?
Stop fabulating :)


btw "Improved stability and reliability"? Which version did they have? That says nothing at all.

....if you took time to read some of the people who (you are flaming) have moved to the 3.16/3.19 are reporting just that...

Moved FROM? You missed the point. Anyone moving from 3.02 will report improved reliability :)

[NoBackUp]

Moved FROM? You missed the point. Anyone moving from 3.02 will report improved reliability :)

No Dear Z...
you seem to have missed the point they are asking about moving to 3.16/3.19...and u but in and tell them...


DONT ! go to xx.xx caus its better..and sometimes confuse them with some B@llsh@T about this and that...


It is not about what they had but where they are going...thats why it is stated in the first post here

"Possibly upgrade my PDA with the ROM 3.16.13 ENG and Radio 3.19.01 or not ?
After the upgrade working my PDA or not ?
What's new that new version ?
Why need the upgrade ?

Sorry but I'm begginer."

your answer being...

"Don't trust the version numbers :)
in other words, get yourself the irish update (3.15.15 & 4.16)"

which a) dont answer his question, just demands he follows...no info on why or allowing him to make up his mind....and b) turns out to be the dutch version anyway

"P.S. I have mistaken Dutch ROM for Irish, just keep looking for 3.15.15"

Then when some writes after moving too 3.16/3.19...

"It was all but pointless for me. Gave me a much more stable device, and I have yet to find any functionality that is missing for me as a swedish user. I don't think there is anything I can use the SIM Toolkit for."

which can not be tolirated by you...how dare he challange you...so you get on your high horse and reply...

"Argh :) I won't post everything twice :) see the other thread "

Me thinks that

a) its a waist of time discussing anything with you
b) following your advise is also a waist of time
c) you seem only to be full of sma@rt ar@e comments...which are only positioned in such a way.... to show that "You" are the god of this board ...

[Anonymous]

Goddamn functions, the ROM is just newer. I don't care if you believe it or not.
btw "Improved stability and reliability"? Which version did they have? That says nothing at all.

You have still failed to tell us how you have come to the conclusion that 3.15.15 is newer than 3.16.13. As long as you can not provide us with any proof for this belief of yours I can't see how you can think you will convince us.

I am very willing to accept the fact that 3.15.15 contains code of a later date than 3.16.13. But to do that I need some evidence. Something else than general stuff like "SIM Toolkit is in 3.15.15" or "I have not seen any differences between 3.14 and 3.16". Have you tried making a "diff" on the 3.14 and 3.16 files and they where the exact same files on a binary level? Or what do you mean by noticing no differences? No added applications?

Either provide us with some substantial information backing your statements, or face the fact that we are intelligent people that will not blindly follow your religion and stop ranting.