GPS without Antenna

[ronny007]

I have a Software this changed a palm in the way you can used your human body for gps antenna. somebody here he can fixed the software for xda - tomtom.navigator? then for car navigation you need no more gps antenna

[Carlos]

I realize English is probably not your native language, but that's about impossible to understand. Here's my best guess:

Is there a way to receive GPS signals without a GPS receiver?

No, there is not. Not possible. On any device.

[ronny007]

this is possible. i have the software for palm

[gb155]

ok time to show us then me thinks

[Carlos]

No, it's not possible. Period. That's all.

[ronny007]

the period you can download here
http://www.palmgps.de/#freegps

The Name is FREEGPS!v1.00a

[yorkie-7]

I have to agree with Carlos, as a gps user and having some knowledge of how gps systems work i.e. you have to have a a gps antenna capable of picking up the signals. Please someone prove us wrong, and I'll eat humble pie.

[ronny007]

make download and read the manuel
i am german. ther is written this soft works on palm without gps antenna
here you can translated www.freetranslation.com

[Carlos]

I can't read German.

I have $1000 that I'll give to the first person that can demonstrate the reception of GPS position signals without a GPS receiver/antenna.

I don't care what software you use, you're not going to receive a GPS signal without the appropriate hardware. Simple as that. You have to be a special kind of stupid to believe that software can create a signal from nothing and interface with a human body. :roll:

[Zviratko]

Isn't this the programme which claimed to be able to use GPS through IrDa? :))))
everybody (lame) was waiting for it, then it turned out it said "Hold me with screen 90 degrees towards ground" and drawn an Arrow with message "You are here" :))

[ronny007]

i find the page and read this
today everything is possible. i have no palm to try this :P

[Carlos]

No, everything is not possible. It is not possible to channel radio signals through the human body to a non-existent interface.

[ronny007]

FreeGPS! v1.00a (c) 02/y2k Stefan Hendricks / www.palmgps.de
------------------------------------------------------------


FreeGPS! ermöglicht Ihnen die Ortung Ihrer aktuellen geographischen Position
mit einer Genauigkeit von wenigen Zentimetern - und das OHNE zusätzliche
Hardware.


Wie funktioniert's?

Die Elektronik der Palm-PDAs ist relativ empfindlich für Erdmagnetfelder.
Dies macht sich dadurch bemerkbar, daß gewisse Prozessorregister in Abhängig-
keit der Einwirkung des Erdmagnetfelds autoamtisch bestimmte Werte annehmen.
Da das Erdmagnetfeld auf jedem Punkt der Erde anders ist, werden die ermit-
telten Werte mit einer internen Datenbank abgeglichen. Durch statistische
Annäherung der gemessenen Daten an die aus der Datenbank ist somit eine abso-
lut exakte Ermittlung Ihrer Position (oder besser der des PalmPilots) inner-
halb kürzester Zeit möglich (die Messung erfolgt bereits bei Programmstart
und läuft im Hintergrund, während Sie noch im Startbildschirm verweilen).

Die interne Datenbank ist hochkomprimiert und enthält dennoch genügend Daten
um eine Positionsermittlung auf jedem Punkt der Erde durchführen zu können.

In der Betatestphase haben ca. 60 Personen Ihre genaue Position mit einer
Genauigkeit von über 97% messen können - weltweit. Unter anderem wurde in
folgenden Gebieten getestet:

Deutschland, Belgien, Norwegen, Schweiz, Korsika, Spanien, Colrado, Texas,
Mexico, Kalifornien, Japan, Indien, Marokko, Chile, Kasachstan, Nepal sowie
Ungarn (und noch einige mehr die mir jetzt nicht einfallen...).


FreeGPS! v1.00a ist in dieser Version noch Freeware. Wenn Ihnen das Programm
gefällt dann bedenken Sie bitte, daß Sie hierdurch die Anschaffung eines
(sehr viel ungenaueren) GPS-Empfängers erspart haben - das sollte Ihnen als
Gegenleistung zumindest eine eMail mit Ihren Erfahrungen wert sein. Diese
würde ich auch gerne auf der FreeGPS! Website (Ihr Einverständnis vorausge-
setzt) veröffentlichen.

Schreiben Sie an: stefan@hendricks-online.de

Mehr zum Thema PalmPilot und GPS erfahren sie auf

http://www.palmgps.de

[Carlos]

That's nice, quote the entire damn page that we can't read anyway. The point would be...?? I have no clue what it says, but if it says you can get GPS signals without a GPS receiver, it's wrong. Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

[yorkie-7]

This is getting silly :!:

The gps signal is what .2watts or somethink like that, a gps antenna cannot SEE the signal through ONE inch of water, because the signals are so weak, it's amazing it works at all, it wouldn't if the antenna was not so finely tuned to the spacific signals being beamed down. Ergo whatever this says, it will not work! I'll match the $1000, with is about £650, so doesn't feel as hard on the pocket!!!

[Peter Poelman]

A load of good old-fashioned baloney, I say...

The German text speaks of how the Earth's magnetic field is different in almost every location, and how when you compare the values measured ('the electronics of Palm PDAs is very sensitive to magnetic fields') to the values stored in a database, you'd get centimeter accurate positioning.

Just imagine, they launched all these expensive satellites, and it was this simple all along.

[Zviratko]

Have you seen the app which turns your XDA into Microwave saber? It just raises power output on the antenna and cuts anything which gets within 10 centimeters from it!

Download at http://www.14ms0s7up1d.com

[Tharaxis]

Yup, a quick whip up of babelfish lets you get a relatively simplistic explanation of how this program is supposed to work.

According to the bit of text, because of the Palm's sensitivity to earth magnetic fields (remarkable!), it is possible to construct a database consisting of the various magnetic fields across the globe so that this database can be utilized to retrieve coordinates as to where the PDA actually is (it's not actually using the GPS technology at all...).

Of course, the possibility of this actually WORKING is slim (though according to the site it does work), and certainly won't work on anything other than a Palm... how sensitive are these things anyway?!?

I guess the "theory" behind the whole thing could be debated - from a laymans/non GPS professionals standpoint it *sounds* OK - but yeah... sounds a bit dodgy to me.

[Fidl]

@ronny007

In my opinion ther are only two possible explainations of your post:

1) maybe you really believe what you are saying (or read somwhere) and i hope for yourself you don't

or

2) you tried to fool us all (but remember it's not the 1st of April today)

Fidl

[Zviratko]

The world is an insane place...

[yorkie-7]

Have you seen the app which turns your XDA into Microwave saber? It just raises power output on the antenna and cuts anything which gets within 10 centimeters from it!

Download at http://www.14ms0s7up1d.com

WOW! I love this app. Shame the trial version only manages to cut through very thin sliced ham, I might spend $29.99 on the full version and see what I can hack up with it.

At least I can spend my £650 on something worth while now :lol:

[ronny007]

i not realy believe this. i only like to believe this. this sounds very good. i have anyway gps antenna.

[ianlake]

Have you seen the app which turns your XDA into Microwave saber? It just raises power output on the antenna and cuts anything which gets within 10 centimeters from it!

Download at http://www.14ms0s7up1d.com

i was looking for one of these.....................

...............now your damned link isn't working!!

Darth

[Jayman]

Ok I am hoping this is possible - especially since the XDA with built in GPS has dissapeared - but figure we will not know until they port it to PPC.

However I do remember O2 announced at one point that they were trialling software on the XDA that determined positioning by bouncing signals from within a GSM cell via different masts to triangulate a the users position. Anyone remember this and can shed light on what happened???

Personally I would have much prefered GPS in the XDA II than an intergrated camera.

[Zviratko]

But that is different question - getting position via GSM network is a completely different systems - it determines your location by counting the cell visible from you phone and calculating the position network-side.
Simply said:
Through GPS, your device knows where it is located
Through GSM, you receive this information from the cellphone network, meaning the position is very inacurrate and limited to well covered or easily calculated areas
If you see just one BTS Cell and you ask for you location, you will receive just a circle and the distance between you and the cell, with two cells, you receive more accurate results. In a well covered place, you receive a several hundred square meters of area where you are located. GPS gives you meters unless you are in a building or the sky is very cloudy.

Just don't mix those two - GPS is for positioning and navigation, GSM is intended for giving you info like the nearest approximate gas station, not telling you where the North is.

[ronny007]

The Boy say hello to Carlos

http://www.xscale.de/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=106


http://my-symbian.info/7650/applications/applications.php?faq=2&fldAuto=279

[Carlos]

I can't read the German one, but the other describes a non-GPS system for basic location information. Is this what you were talking about?

[ronny007]

@carlos
yes, and you can call free too

[Carlos]

Yes, right, of course, and the phone will give me oral sex too... :roll:

[ronny007]

for you anal sex is better

[Carlos]

Yes, but the phone is too small for my fully stretched sphincter.

[ronny007]

then you must used vaselin

[cruisin-thru]

not vaseline, he needs a rebore, just shove up a leg of lamb then it should fit.

[hungarian]

Hi everbody,

no kicks no flames, that were the rules here so far. Ronny what u mentioned about his sexual life i found a bit of topic.

Ok, now back to the stuff ronny mentioned. The first program is a funny little crap proggie that realy shows a mark und the display that says you are exactly here and was a piece of fun from the programmer. nothing more nothing less. The other program he mentioned was a kind of a bouncer which calculates the distances and the times and field strongness which are replied from several radio station (gsm) whith this you someaht can find out where you are, but far away from any gps positioning.
I took the time to write this only because ronny has some problems with english and a lack of humor, cause it is clearly written between the lines that this is a piece of fun software.

Never mind

WK

[EdOC]

Yes I have heard of this. You need the XDA II w/camera and a compass. You have to take 4 pictures N E S W the images are compaired to a database compiled by the 'Verizon' guy and it will tell you where you are within 2 paces. The database is only setup in NorthAmerica though.

PS. What kind of battery life do you get with the saber?

[JUICEe]

lol @ saber's bat life
&
lol @ this post being still alive

[Carlos]

Funny stuff, but an old saying comes to mind...
http://www.cbr1100xx.org/temp/smileys/smiley_dead_horse.gif