Is it possible to put the Qtek 9090 rom on a Qtek 2020 ?

[freddyzaz]

Hi,

I just would like to know if it's possible (or if it's a stupid question) to put a rom of a Qtek 9090 on a Qtek 2020.

Why this question ? Because the Qtek 9090 have the same processor and (I suppose ) mainly the same hardware than the Qtek 2020.

Benefits of the manipulation : WM2003 SE, BT Widcomm stack, ...............

Did someone have this rom ?


If no, I have one ;)

[tde]

and you're still waiting to publish it :-) !!

[mamaich]

As far as I've seen QTEK9090 has a PXA27x CPU and 2020 is PXA263. Theoretcally it is possible to patch 9090 ROM so that it would not hang on our devices.

[noviur]

freddyzaz, if you really have this ROM from Qtek 9090 - please post it, so we can see what can be done with it.

[van]

@ freddyzaz

Please, can you upload the ROM of Qtek 9090 in this forum?
I would like to try it anyway with my MDA II

Thanks,

[freddyzaz]

Hi,

I've posted the Qtek 9090 rom. Enjoy it, and please post your results here :)

[VHS]

@ freddyzaz

Please, can you upload the ROM of Qtek 9090 in this forum?
I would like to try it anyway with my MDA II

Thanks,

Hi Van,
I will try it for you and will add comment to XDA-Forum,
For O2 XDA-II -> everything is possible .... like mission imposible ... and make it avaible.
Mentioned ideas the same with mine, ... we will use O2 XDA-II or XDA-II(i) or XDA-II(s) or XDA-III ??? where the core hardware inside is not much impressive.
Chim sao / VHS
:P :P :P :P :P :P

[JRC]

As far as I've seen QTEK9090 has a PXA27x CPU and 2020 is PXA263. Theoretcally it is possible to patch 9090 ROM so that it would not hang on our devices.

Wrong my Qtek 9090 has a PXA263 400Mhz...

[itsme]

from the registry I noticed a difference in the bluetooth device:

qtek2020:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\ASIC5_BTUR]
"DeviceArrayIndex"=dword:00000000
"DeviceType"=dword:00000000
"Dll"="ASIC5_BTUR.Dll"
"FriendlyName"="BT on COM6:"
"Index"=dword:00000006
"IoBase"=dword:afe00700
"IoLen"=dword:00000024
"Irq"=dword:00000022
"Order"=dword:00000002
"Prefix"="COM"
"Tsp"="Unimodem.dll"


qtek9090:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\BlueTooth]
"DevConfig"=hex:20,00,00,00,05,00,00,00,10,01,00,00,00,4b,00, 00,00,00,08,00,\
00,00,00,00,00
"DeviceArrayIndex"=dword:00000000
"DeviceType"=dword:00000000
"Dll"="Serial_BTUR.dll"
"FriendlyName"="BT UART"
"Index"=dword:00000004
"IoBase"=dword:aa050000
"IoLen"=dword:00000024
"Irq"=dword:00000011
"Order"=dword:00000002
"Prefix"="COM"
"Tsp"="Unimodem.dll"

different iobase, different drivers.

I don't have a qtek9090, so can only look at the binary for differences.

[JRC]

It's normal because the 2020 has a MS drivers/stack whereas the qtek 2020 has a WidComm drivers/stack but the drivers file has the same name.


In the Qtek 9090 :
"Bluetooth for Windows CE BT-PPC/PE Version 1.0.0.1900"

[darkcell]

I need the password for this ROM... :roll:

[van]

I have been trying flash ROM- Qtek 9090 for MDA II but no success :evil:

1. Copy NK.NB1 to the SD card

2. Enter bootloader mode

3. Hook up a terminal on the serial line

4. Insert SD card

5. Type 'S2d'

Nothing

Any Ideas ???

:(

[_4saken_]

I dont think just flashing the qtek 9090 rom will do the trick.
there's just to much difference between the devices.

but I'm looking forward to you guys getting this done. there are so many freaks around here ;)

[VW_ELM]

@JRC

Where did you get the Qtek 9090? And how much did you pay for it.
I would like to buy one, but here in Belgium or the Netherlands, they still not available :(

[beecher]

freddyzaz: Could you please download all 3 ROMs (OS ROM, Extended ROM and Radio ROM) and post it here?
itsme: Could you please create the .nbf files when freddyzaz will post the ROMs here?

[freddyzaz]

Sorry, I can't. The 9090 was just for a test, and I've not the possibility to have it again.

[beecher]

Aarrrgghhh... That's bad, that's bad...

I think we need all these tree ROMs backups, 'cause I'm "sure" RadioROM is little bit changed (updated?)... And ExtROM we need for great new versions of included SW, of course... :D

But I hope, if we get these ROMs someday and try to flash them, it should work in Himalaya as Himalaya & Blue Angel are different only in keyboard and WiFi, the rest should be same (CPU, RAM etc...)

[mamaich]

As far as I see 9090 uses a different BT chip: BRF6100, that is probably incompatible with ours. Display hardware is also different - when I've replaced ace_ddi.dll with this - my iMate hanged on startup. Camera is also incompatible - the 9090 application crashes at start.

[_4saken_]

i think it's not the right way by trying to get the whole thing working with the qtec 9090 images but to extract the wm2003 system.
so we get a completly "naked" system in which we can load our old software and drivers from the qtec 2020.
I guess that's the way to get started on this.

[van]

Flashing error again :(
I think that we need WM 2003 SE and smart bluetooth profile supported PAN. Some months ago nick HTC already had test ROM with WM 2003 SE and it is working. Now Tmobile and mmO2 have tested ROM and we have to wait for launch MDA III fist in Nov. :wink: then the upgrade 2003 SE will be posted?

May be somebody can share the beta upgraded ROM WM 2003 SE here??? :D

Thanks

[mamaich]

i think it's not the right way by trying to get the whole thing working with the qtec 9090 images but to extract the wm2003 system.
so we get a completly "naked" system in which we can load our old software and drivers from the qtec 2020.
You cannot "extract" only the OS-part. The OS core is NK.EXE file that contains too much device-specific code (memory initialization, etc)

[Firestarter]

Please i do need the extended rom for the 9090
:lol:

[ammorsy]

me too
i need the extended rom 4 qtek 9090

[adamz]

I hope the new MMS client works on the XDA II. Looks like the one that comes with the MDA III is fully integrated with the Pocket PC Inbox. It's the same on the iPAQ H6315.

[zakeen]

I wouldnt do this!

People with SonyE P900 are flashing there phones with P910 firmware. So they can use a Memory stick greater then 128mb.

Phones look the same and all, same size board and everything but there is a difference in the bluetooth and now the Bluetooth doesnt work at all and they have problems with screen flickering.

So just thought I should let you guys know this. Just let someone else do it before you screw up your phone!

Good luck and I do hope it does work for you guys!

[thongtdvib]

Van Wrote

I have been trying flash ROM- Qtek 9090 for MDA II but no success

1. Copy NK.NB1 to the SD card

2. Enter bootloader mode

3. Hook up a terminal on the serial line

4. Insert SD card

5. Type 'S2d'

Nothing

Any Ideas ???

I think this ROM not include Radio ROM. Can you upload the Radio rom on this Forum? I don't have QTEK 9090 but I think Qtek 9090 included
Radio
Extend
CE ROM
Any Ideas?????

[van]

Sorry I don't have Radio stack of Qtek 9090.
I have no success to flash ROM qtek 9090- NK.NB1 to my MDA II
:(

[Leon_Citron]

I think this Rom is only the "OS Part"...

This contain no Radio or Extended Rom, and we don't need this to update.
I think the Radio from the 9090 change and cannot run on the 2020.

Extended rom is not a problem we can build one.

I cannot see why WM2003SE cannot be installed on the 2020 ?

The Widcomm BT is the same than the HP63xx, and it runs on the 2020...
For the rest, the hardware is the same on both machine (Processor, memory etc etc)...

[mamaich]

I cannot see why WM2003SE cannot be installed on the 2020 ?This 9090 2003SE cannot be installed on our devices because 9090 processor, memory layout, camera, BT, display controller are different than ours.

[VHS]

Hi All,
I also tried to upgrade Qtek file NK.nb1 -> change to NK.nbf then up -> but unsuccessfull.
Error from some reasons:
1. The size NK (Qtek 9090) smaller than NK of O2 XDA-II - error checksum.
2. Open (using HEX) show that NK.nb1 of Qtek9090 included Bootloader ... RadioStack ...etc...
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Then...
We need anybody can upload or extract only OS Wm2003SE from Qtek 9090...?
Because basicaly the core OS from MS are work witk all device likes Qtek 2020, xda2, mda2.

[Leon_Citron]

I cannot see why WM2003SE cannot be installed on the 2020 ?This 9090 2003SE cannot be installed on our devices because 9090 processor, memory layout, camera, BT, display controller are different than ours.

Processor, memory, camera and display controller are excatly the same on both devices...

[mamaich]

Processor, memory, camera and display controller are excatly the same on both devices...
By different "hardware" I've meant different memory addresses of devices. So you'll have to patch this rom heavily to make it work. For example you can copy ace_ddi.dll driver from 9090 ROM to XDA2 and you'll see that your device is not booting.

[Air]

Hi all
I've heard that with the SE MMS is includet into the poutlook. Has anyone trayed to install the outlook app from the 9090 on a 2020?
Greets AIR

[zakeen]

I wouldnt do this!

People with SonyE P900 are flashing there phones with P910 firmware. So they can use a Memory stick greater then 128mb.

Phones look the same and all, same size board and everything but there is a difference in the bluetooth and now the Bluetooth doesnt work at all and they have problems with screen flickering.

So just thought I should let you guys know this. Just let someone else do it before you screw up your phone!

Good luck and I do hope it does work for you guys!

I wouldnt do this!

[mamaich]

I'm playing now with drivers from 9090 ROM trying to install them on my imate and looking on what happens. Some drivers are working on our device after you patch the expected os version to be 4.20 and not 4.21. For example ace_ddi.dll (a display driver) and btd.dll (part of Microsoft BT stack) are working. The "new" ace_ddi has an awful cleartype, adds a white line at the right side of a screen (so display hardware in 9090 is not 100% the same). BTD update gives no new features. Updating modem/UART drivers also gives nothing. USB driver conflicts with screen leds (probably USB hardware is also different).
I'll try to play with Widcomm stack and audio drivers when I'll buy a headset. Maybe these drivers would have a working headset profile.

[g3lo]

I'm playing now with drivers from 9090 ROM trying to install them on my imate and looking on what happens. Some drivers are working on our device after you patch the expected os version to be 4.20 and not 4.21. For example ace_ddi.dll (a display driver) and btd.dll (part of Microsoft BT stack) are working. The "new" ace_ddi has an awful cleartype, adds a white line at the right side of a screen (so display hardware in 9090 is not 100% the same). BTD update gives no new features. Updating modem/UART drivers also gives nothing. USB driver conflicts with screen leds (probably USB hardware is also different).
I'll try to play with Widcomm stack and audio drivers when I'll buy a headset. Maybe these drivers would have a working headset profile.

Please do so coz im desperate to have a working Widcomm BT stack on my XDAII. I have been looking for a version that has all profiles working but it seems there are still problems with the current versions I've seen in the forums.

[chameleon]

just trying to keep this thread alive and at the top of the page, so that a lot of folks may contribute.

by the way, has the radio rom and extended rom of the SE been posted somewhere already, IF SO,

please POST it here for us to try and maybe find a workaround to the SE compaitibility isuues.

[Air]

How can i extract the NK.NB1 on my PC?
Greets AIR

[Joe_PDA]

Can WM2003SE be made to work on XDA I for T-Mobile USA network?
Has anyone gotten it to work in a ROM Ktichen?

[LumpiStefan]

Can WM2003SE be made to work on XDA I for T-Mobile USA network?
Has anyone gotten it to work in a ROM Ktichen?


You´re jokeing, aren´t you?
Until now, it isn´t possible to use this ROM for the XDA II device, which has nearly the same hardware.
How should it work on the XDA I which is completly different?
Also there is no adated ROM from the the XDA II that works on the XDA I.....

Regards

Stefan

[zakeen]

You´re jokeing, aren´t you?


when you add "ing" to a word ending with an "e" you take it off.

"Joke" + "ing" = "Joking"

:) :) :)

go easy on the guy!

[LumpiStefan]

when you add "ing" to a word ending with an "e" you take it off.

"Joke" + "ing" = "Joking"


I thought about it, but joking looks in some way curious, so i added the 'e' ....
:lol:
Nobody is perfect :cry:

Stefan

[Gibbo]

For who it's interested here ftp://forum.xda-developers.com/BlueAngel/MDAIII/ you can find the German version ROM of T-Mobile MDAIII

Ciao

[zakeen]

.....
Nobody is perfect :cry:

Stefan

Nobody is prefect,
your nobody!
your perfect!

Ok bad joke.....one of those days when I $pin $hit.

Only jokeing! Ha get it! hahahaha!

Ok I will go and save bandwidth!

[chameleon]

bump :D

[JPS]

Just bringin the topic back to the top as this is of great interest to me. And probably several other thousand people :D