Import T9 dictionary from another phone (different anguage)

[Anonymous]

Hi,

I have an English version of the Imate, but I am dutch. Does anybody know if it is possible to import a dutch T9 dictionary from another phone or something and use it on my Imate?

[edsub]

I would like to try, but I havent been able get hold of a dutch T9 lib . . .
I anyone can post one . . . .

[madds]

Don't know if it helps but found this:

http://communications.siemens.com/repository/793/79326/t9_downloads.html?accept=I+accept

[Anonymous]

He thanx! I'll have a go and see if I can get this to work! Edsub? Do you have any idea if this is gonna work?

[madds]

HI,

i've donwloaded some files and made some testing, but no way to get it.

renamed the siemens t9 files name to T9(language)Ldb.lbd (that's the way they are in the windows folder) but even after soft reset they don't appear.
Looked at registry but i'm not a expert.

[skenliv]

The files are named T9EnglishLdb.dll
But even if you replace those files, it wont work.
Probably because it has more info than just a simple LDB database.

There should be a tool for this!!

[Anonymous]

is it possible to copy t9 from a spv c500?

[edsub]

I will try to look at i tommorrow.
Interesting though.
But since these files are from Siemens, they maybe are in a propietry format . . .

[VW_ELM]

I will try to look at i tommorrow.
Interesting though.
But since these files are from Siemens, they maybe are in a propietry format . . .

Edsub any updates about getting a working Dutch T9??

[pleun]

found this, but it needs to be converted to pocket PC, if possible

[pleun]

what's the difference anyway in software for smartphone vs pocket pc ?
Can they be converted or compiled to work on either system ?

[edsub]

problem is we have to try to put the siemens library into a WM2003 dll.
I have NOT found a clue yet . . .

[pleun]

I found a list of dutch words on the web and inserted them into the intellipad.udb file. Not bad as a workaround until we have a real t9 database I think. Takes a few seconds to load the first time it is opened.

[edsub]

Is this udb file the library that holds the self-added words?
Where should it be put?
Does it survive a soft reset (I recall skenliv said he lost it after a soft reset)

[pleun]

yes
in the windows folder
I reset several times, it's still ok

[Anonymous]

I found a list of dutch words on the web and inserted them into the intellipad.udb file. Not bad as a workaround until we have a real t9 database I think. Takes a few seconds to load the first time it is opened.
Could you please tell me where you found that list? Or mail it to me?

Thanx!

[pleun]

Dude, its 2 posts up !

[Anonymous]

Ah I see... I probably have to register to see that....

[Godyn]

Hi Pleun,
Where did you find the dutch list?
I installed it on my ppc and it works, but could be fine tuned.
I would look to do that.
How did you search?
I have no clue :lol:

[Koksie]

Hi Pleun, thanks for the file. Should I just copy it to the Windows folder, thereby overwriting the existing intellipad.udb file, or should I in some way insert it in the exisiting file on my Compact? If yes, how? I would like to be able to simultaneously use English and Dutch T9. So is your file an English list + extra Dutch words, or only a Dutch library?
thanks in advance.

[bruxelles5]

I'm using T9 http://www.pdamill.com/topkey/guide/

work great, comme with many languages et configuration. Learn words each time you type one

Easy to install

[pleun]

Hi Pleun,
Where did you find the dutch list?
I installed it on my ppc and it works, but could be fine tuned.
I would look to do that.
How did you search?
I have no clue :lol:

Don't really remember but here's another one for ya :

http://m.vanoosten.tripod.com/.

A lot more words, you may have to convert it into a single column list, don't know, just try it ......

[pleun]

Hi Pleun, thanks for the file. Should I just copy it to the Windows folder, thereby overwriting the existing intellipad.udb file, or should I in some way insert it in the exisiting file on my Compact? If yes, how? I would like to be able to simultaneously use English and Dutch T9. So is your file an English list + extra Dutch words, or only a Dutch library?
thanks in advance.

Depends on what your current list looks like, if there's a lot of words inthere already, I would copy it to your pc then add my list by just copy and paste and return it to the ppc. It's really just a txt file so you can have words from all languages in there ! If there's a word that looks like the one your typing then it will be presented to you!

[Koksie]

Hi Pleun, thanks for your answer. For some reason I just cannot get it to work correct. Although I created an udb file from your word list, for some reason it does not see all the words, it just keeps on giving me suggestions that are not in the list (aangaafiets? does seem neither Dutch nor English to me;) ) and ignoring words that are in the list. And it also suggests Dutch words that are not in the list when I start typing them. It almost seems there are two udb files in the folder with different lists of words, but when I look with Explorer I am certain there is only one.
The Dutch library you suggested in one of your replies above, from the tripod website is not single column and very large, so for now I think I'll stick with your list, although it behaves very oddly.
Anyway, thanks for your help in creating this temporary solution.

[pleun]

If you copy the udb file to your pc and look inside, does the list look normal, are words not scrambled ?

[frewys]

I made a SWEDISH .udb file. its by no means complete but its better than nothing! It was the one thing that bothered me the most on ma Qtek S100 Lack of Swedish T9 support. But it works really great with the Swedish file now! 1742 words n sure names. please feel free to edit and ad to it. who need the slow nordic Qtek anyway :wink:

Also use the topkey. GREAT prog!! thanx for the tip bruxelles5.

[Koksie]

The file looks normal, words are not scrambled in any way. They were however on my first few tries, with square boxes between the letters of each word,but this time the words are just like I copied them, in plain text.

[Azamat]

so I did exactly what Pleun described and it worked well.

But there are not many words in the file he posted, so I took the file from: http://m.vanoosten.tripod.com/ and replaced al the spaces whit enters and deleted the "User Dict v2.0 " stuff and renamed it to IntelliPad.udb

I thought it would work but it didn't, and I wonder why, it's just like the file Pleun posted but more words (and it's about 2MB big)

Anyone know why it didn't work?

[A_X]

Hmm.. That should work... I'll try it tonight.

[pleun]

what if you would import it in MS Access or Excel as a txt file using space as a separator ? I tried it but it wanted to import the whole lot into one row, which obviously didn't work. There must be some ms office guru's around that know how to handle this. Once it is imported you could make a single column file out of it. It will be damn long one tho ! :D

[krl]

In general: this only works for the intellipad, not the keyboard tool right ?

After replacing the original intellipad.udb with the one offered by Pleun, I seem to lose a lot of words from the list and the size shrinks from 67k to about 32k.. I think it has something to do with the files not being in the same format: The original intellipad.udb file seems to be in hex format, whereas the Pleun one is in plain text. . I tried converting it into hex but the same thing happens (file getting smaller)..

A couple of wordlists for Dutch users to play around with (groene boekje):
ftp://ftp.tue.nl/pub/tex/GB95/spell-nl-v5b/woorden/

[Koksie]

The same happened to me, the file shrank to 32 k. I copy/pasted the list a few times over the old list and suddenly the files was 67k, although the words still appear only once. Very strange indeed. I installed the 67k file om my Compact, and it works partly. Some words ( fiets, dikke) are suggested, other words ( aanleiding, all words starting with "aan" in fact) are not suggested. Whenever I start a word with "aan", it suggests aangaafiets. Other words are not suggested at all. I don't know what's wrong, but something is rotten in the state of T9...

[j_metselaars]

Could anyone try this one? Think it works!

[aste]

Hi!

I've extracted the T9 files from my Qtek 8010 and tried to move them to the s100. But intellipad doesn't recognize the new files. So if someone wants to play with them and try to find a solution here they are.
The languages are: Swedish, Norwegian, Finnish, Czech and Hungarian.

\\ aste

[Acidfever]

Can anyone tell me how i can use the Intellipad.udb files for Dutch language support?

I have copied it into the windows directory on my MDa COmpact but it still only gives english suggestions for words i type.

[alfa]

hello, just got my Qtek S100 and i am verry interested in a dutch intelipad too but its my first PDA so im not a specialist (cant even write in English like it should be) so if anyone can help...would be nice!

Thanks!

[petterekman]

Hi there! I must say that this sounds very interesting indeed!
Since I'm a native swedish-speaker, a swedish T9-dictionary is the one thing highest on my wish-list right now! (Don't feel the need to pay out nearly 800 SEK for a swedish operating system...)
But these .udb-files are something completely new for me, and I was wondering, how do you edit them? I have the one frewys posted on top of this page, and if I open it in i.e. Notepad, it displays correctly and so, but how do I edit it without f***ing it up? Can I edit it in Notepad? And also, where do I put it on my Qtek?

Regards from a rather new Pocket PC user (but a very pleased Qtek-owner!)

[frewys]

good for u petterekman
I just used ordinary notepad to edit the .udb list.
Just put it in the window folder. Good luck!:)

[tc08]

I have all valid swedish words in this file. The problem is that the words are only in their original form, no inflections.

If anyone is interested, grab it.

I haven't tried it since I'm getting my phone on friday, but please try and give some feedback.

[frewys]

Thats one BIG list! over one MB!! Just gonna use the åäö words. the qtek has limited memory. cant waste it ALL on words ;)

thanks tc08

[petterekman]

I got a .txt file with a bit over 37000 words AND their conjugates/inflects/declines (don't really know what to say in english, but when you "bend" words (throw, threw, thrown)).
Though, it's 3.3 MB for the .txt file! Should make hell of a .udb-file! ;) Will try and see what I can do with it...

And BTW, I don't really understand how this work! I've renamed the file I want to use to IntelliPad.udb, and replaced the standard IntelliPad.udb in the Windows dir. But still it only suggests words from the language I have selected. What is it that I don't understand?

[frewys]

Why dont u post it for us "wordcollectors"
How many words do we RELLY need;)?
U have to make a soft reset i think for it to find it. and the wordlist ONLY works for intellipad (I think again ;) )

Good luck

[Anonymous]

I got a .txt file with a bit over 37000 words AND their conjugates/inflects/declines (don't really know what to say in english, but when you "bend" words (throw, threw, thrown)).
Though, it's 3.3 MB for the .txt file! Should make hell of a .udb-file! ;) Will try and see what I can do with it...

And BTW, I don't really understand how this work! I've renamed the file I want to use to IntelliPad.udb, and replaced the standard IntelliPad.udb in the Windows dir. But still it only suggests words from the language I have selected. What is it that I don't understand?

Here is what to do.

First of all you make sure that you file looks like this in a texteditor like notepad that dont put any oformatiing opg other nifty thinmgs into the file.

run
ran
rought
river


You have to make sure that any word is terminated with a new line. That also applys to the last word so that after the last word a new line is inserted.

Then you have the file clear, deactivate the intellipad by selecting any other input method. Put the phone in the cradle and overvrite iintellipad.udb in the windows folder. You have to make sure that your file has this name. Then just take the phone out the cradle and select intellipad as yor input method. If you follow my instructions you would now have intellipad suggesting the words in your file.


No need for any reseting og any kind.

[petterekman]

frewys, here ya go! (http://sv.speling.org/files/dsso-115.zip) (right-click, save as...)

[j_metselaars]

Anyone can help here?

My contacts, how can I fastly enter these with intellipad. For instance, I have "Stef" as a contact. Normal keyboard I type S...T and stef is already mentioned and I can click on it and the name is entered to type the message to this person.
When I try this with intellipad I can type S....T..., but nothing is mentioned and I can't enter the contact. When I type S...T....E....F, still nothing mentioned and the contact is not shown!

Anyone knows how to handle this?


Still having this problem: When I have intellipad activated and I want to send a message to STEF in my contacts. Normally I can type S...T...E...F and it will suggest STEF and I can click and the at TO: STEF (+31XXXXXXXX). But when I use Intellipad, I type S...T....E... and nothing is mentioned... How to do, I really can't get through this....

Thanx in advance!

[Godyn]

I should rather look for the company to deliver other languages...
But no website or so found on the web.

It would be great to simply choose an other language in the options panel.
And if we could deliver the word lists to them,...just maybe...

I saw in the windows folder there are language files like T9Frenchudb.dll and so, but I guess they are binairy, they don't open.

If I only could place a T9Dutchudb.dll, if it was only that simpel... :lol:

[zohaer21]

how can i add custom words to the t9 dictionary already installed on my imate???
thanks

[frewys]

frewys, here ya go! (http://sv.speling.org/files/dsso-115.zip) (right-click, save as...)

Thats one BIG wordlist! :lol:
thanx!

Godyn
I think they are ROM files. So they will be replaced when removed or changed. But if u hack the ROM they should be replaceble...

[Anonymous]

HeY people!

Is this problem solved or what?
Has anyone found out if we can get the swedish, norwegian or danish languages in the Jam Intellipad/T9????

I've got a big list of norwegian words.
But I don't get Intellipad to use it...?

Please anyone - make a step-by-step guide to all us nobrainers! :)

[skagen]

Gandalf, hvor mange Norske ord har du der?

[Anonymous]

Ganske mange, tror jeg.
Tekstfila er på 626 kb.
De vanligste bokmål-ordene i Norge.

Kanskje det er for mange ord - slik at Intellipad ikke takler den...??

[Godyn]

I didn't understand a word of the previous. But it sounds like our Volvo ;-)
anybody tried this for dutch?

http://www.pocketpccity.com/software/pocketpc/Dutch-language-support-Dutch-LEng-2004-9-13-ce-pocketpc.html

[bamse]

I didn't understand a word of the previous. But it sounds like our Volvo ;-)
anybody tried this for dutch?

http://www.pocketpccity.com/software/pocketpc/Dutch-language-support-Dutch-LEng-2004-9-13-ce-pocketpc.html

Have you tried it? If so, does it give you localized autocomplete for the standard keyboard or do you have to use the one provided with the software? And can you install only the autocomplete parts? When installing the demo version it seems like you can't get localized autocomplete without translating the entire interface (menus and all).

[Godyn]

It's a nice piece of soft. It actually gives the autocompletion on the keyboard and learns fast. It has some nice visual extra's: autocomplete shows the typed letters in bold and others not, colo keyboard (very handy in one overview), adjustable 3d, bold keyboard,...
You can only install the whole package, only language or custom with choise of docs extra or not.
the demo works fine, only bummer it shows a nagging screen once in a while :lol: :shock:

[skagen]

Ganske mange, tror jeg.
Tekstfila er på 626 kb.
De vanligste bokmål-ordene i Norge.

Kanskje det er for mange ord - slik at Intellipad ikke takler den...??

Vet ikke. J

Meg jeg har egentil en annen formål. Jeg sputre fordi jeg leter etter en stor ordlist fil som kan brukes til å lage en PPC Nork-Engelsk ordbok. De fleste som finnes har heller ikke mange ord.

Jeg var en Palm bruker og da hadde jegen Ultralingua Norsk-Engelsk ordbook til Palm. Ultralingua brukte Kunnskapsforlagets (Blå Ordbok) ordlist, og det var kjepe bra - ganske my ord. Men de larsere ikke de samme til PPC, or i telleg har fjernet den Palm version.

Derfor prover jeg å lage den selv. men .

[killaz]

Finns en update som fixar de....ladda ner på http://www.qtek.nu/files/ma_qtek(brpt)_10600_116_10500_ship.zip

[bamse]

Finns en update som fixar de....ladda ner på http://www.qtek.nu/files/ma_qtek(brpt)_10600_116_10500_ship.zip

Brilliant!

Apart from phone-pad with swedish T9 it is supposed to contain an updated bluetooth stack as well! I will try it as soon as I get home tonight. Let us hope that the 7-minute bug with BT headsets has been fixed.

[j_metselaars]

7-minute bug? What is that?

[bamse]

7-minute bug? What is that?

If you answer a call using a BT headset, after 7 minutes your microphone will be disabled (likepressing a mute button). If you click the green phone button the mic will be reenabled for another 7 minutes.

That is the "7 minutes bug".

[skagen]

Finns en update som fixar de....ladda ner på http://www.qtek.nu/files/ma_qtek(brpt)_10600_116_10500_ship.zip

Brilliant!

Apart from phone-pad with swedish T9 it is supposed to contain an updated bluetooth stack as well! I will try it as soon as I get home tonight. Let us hope that the 7-minute bug with BT headsets has been fixed.

1) What is this? An add-on? A patch?

2) Where did you see the description? (Swedish or English is fine).

3) Will this work only on Qtek S100, or can we assume complete compatibilty with the I-mate Jam

4) Will the T9 here still allow for English words or is only swedish?

[bamse]

Finns en update som fixar de....ladda ner på http://www.qtek.nu/files/ma_qtek(brpt)_10600_116_10500_ship.zip

Brilliant!

Apart from phone-pad with swedish T9 it is supposed to contain an updated bluetooth stack as well! I will try it as soon as I get home tonight. Let us hope that the 7-minute bug with BT headsets has been fixed.

1) What is this? An add-on? A patch?

2) Where did you see the description? (Swedish or English is fine).

3) Will this work only on Qtek S100, or can we assume complete compatibilty with the I-mate Jam

4) Will the T9 here still allow for English words or is only swedish?

1) It's a new ROM version for Qtek S10o
2) www.qtek.se
3) It will probably only work with swedish Qtek S100.
4) After installing, on the options screen for the Phone Pad there are a number of new languages to pick from for the active dictionary. Sadly, these seem to only work with the Phone Pad SIP pabel, not with the standard keyboard or the Smart Dialling app.

[alfa]

4) After installing, on the options screen for the Phone Pad there are a number of new languages to pick from for the active dictionary. Sadly, these seem to only work with the Phone Pad SIP pabel, not with the standard keyboard or the Smart Dialling app.[/quote]


...a number of new langauges to pick from for the active dictionary.....


witch languages????

[bamse]

After the installation the following languages are available:

English
German
French
Italian
Spanish
Portuguese
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Swedish

[skagen]

Can someone upload the file so that those of us with I-mate Jam can try it? Vær så snill?

[Tsjibbe]

I downloaded the dutch dictionary (the udb-file). But what am i supposed to do with it. Some people here say you must overwrite the installed udb-file in the windows directory.

But there are only intellipad.dll files in my windows directory. Which .cab of the extended rom must I install to get the intellipad.udb file in my windows-dir? In my message options I can't change the language :roll:

Can somebody help me out here?

[maxlw]

There is a much easier way for a Dutch language base....

It's called Wordlogic. And I beleave there is a trial available on handango:
http://www.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?productType=2&optionId=1_2_2&jid=4F8C33B42F618FX98E52XXFDD5B9542X&platformId=2&siteId=1&productId=29955&sectionId=0&catalog=30&txtSearch=wordlogic&pc=list%5B2%5D_title


Anyway I dont know what version I have but it works great...
Here you go:

Sorry: I tried to upload but I got an Upload Error
Maybe the size is to big. (3,65 MB)
Maybe I can upload someware?

[Jiiins]

If you open the registry and go to "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Spell Check" you'll find a key named "Main_dict", which points to a *.lex file (which btw is similar to the ms office's one). I guess that could have something to do with the spell checker/auto-complete. Anyone has any idea about this? Since it wasn't posted before, probably I'm completely wrong :cry:

Cheers

J

[kampar4]

if i want to make or entry new word from new language (indonesian), what file ii should change? or how to make t9 dict in easier way?

thanks

[deuxani]

Great find, by adding words to the Intellipad udb file!! The only problem with it is that the file can't be to large. I've put almost the whole Van Dale dictionairy in it, but that made the udb file 4mb. When I changed to the Phone Pad as inputtype, it kept on loading with me ending to softresetting the phone. Btw I also tried some things with an C500 Dutch T9 file (T9DutchLdb.dll) but I couldn't get it to work. Btw the Intellipad also uses another file called IntelliPadEnglishsomethingsomething.dll. Maybe there lies the key. :D

[gogol]

Hi Kampar4, salam, saya juga dari Indonesia :)

if i want to make or entry new word from new language (indonesian), what file ii should change? or how to make t9 dict in easier way?

thanks

[gogol]

Several options :

http://www.pocketkai.net/asp/en/details.aspx?336
Kai's ABC Editor: $8 USD, you can import word list.

http://www.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=18139
TextPlus for PPC: $15 USD, you can import word list.

[gogol]

I tested the Kai's ABC, and it works perfect !

It can add word list (import from a text file) and be used on keyboard, letter recognizer, pocket word, notes, etc.

It enhances the T9 dictionary!

$8 USD is cheap, or you can always <censored>

[gogol]

Buat yang butuh daftar kata bahasa Indonesia :)

Kira-kira 14 ribu. Ada kata2 yang jelek sih yang mesti dihapus :( Capek man ngeditnya.

Ini aku compile dari wiki, dll.

[erwinsie]

hehehe.. makasih ya...

but hey, why not use english in this forum.. so others can understand too.. :) thanks again 4 gogol and kampar

[Godyn]

Deuxani,
Indeed, I tried also that stuff. the UDB file takes lots of time to load.
I also noticed that after a soft reset, all the udb files and libraries in my PDA are erased from scratch.

I thought building up my own udb by using a small list and complete it while using it. But no way thus...

Seems the new WindowsPPC version gives some solutions, but I don't think it will be easy to upgrade... I still havent found how to make a ROM backup with the S100.

[gogol]

no problem mate :)

But I think that Indonesian language word list needs to be edited "more", removing unfamiliar, infamous words ! But unfortunately you have to do it manually :)

I will order KAI's ABC editor because it works perfectly to use any wordlist in the JAM input (keyboard, letter recognizer, etc.), and it is very inexpensive ($8 USD).

hehehe.. makasih ya...

but hey, why not use english in this forum.. so others can understand too.. :) thanks again 4 gogol and kampar

[erwinsie]

that list took ages to load and save in my mini :(
i reckon... more than 30mins!! is this normal??

im using KAI's ABC editor already :)

[gogol]

I have not loaded it yet because I am still busy editing it. I knew that it will be slow. Maybe you can contact the developer, ask why its so slow.

Btw, how is the performance? I meant how fast is the prediction work with that size of additional word list.

that list took ages to load and save in my mini :(
i reckon... more than 30mins!! is this normal??

im using KAI's ABC editor already :)

[joedoe]

Ganske mange, tror jeg.
Tekstfila er på 626 kb.
De vanligste bokmål-ordene i Norge.

Kanskje det er for mange ord - slik at Intellipad ikke takler den...??

Vet ikke. J

Meg jeg har egentil en annen formål. Jeg sputre fordi jeg leter etter en stor ordlist fil som kan brukes til å lage en PPC Nork-Engelsk ordbok. De fleste som finnes har heller ikke mange ord.

Jeg var en Palm bruker og da hadde jegen Ultralingua Norsk-Engelsk ordbook til Palm. Ultralingua brukte Kunnskapsforlagets (Blå Ordbok) ordlist, og det var kjepe bra - ganske my ord. Men de larsere ikke de samme til PPC, or i telleg har fjernet den Palm version.

Derfor prover jeg å lage den selv. men .


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[mpak]

Ganske mange, tror jeg.
Tekstfila er på 626 kb.
De vanligste bokmål-ordene i Norge.

Kanskje det er for mange ord - slik at Intellipad ikke takler den...??

Vet ikke. J

Meg jeg har egentil en annen formål. Jeg sputre fordi jeg leter etter en stor ordlist fil som kan brukes til å lage en PPC Nork-Engelsk ordbok. De fleste som finnes har heller ikke mange ord.

Jeg var en Palm bruker og da hadde jegen Ultralingua Norsk-Engelsk ordbook til Palm. Ultralingua brukte Kunnskapsforlagets (Blå Ordbok) ordlist, og det var kjepe bra - ganske my ord. Men de larsere ikke de samme til PPC, or i telleg har fjernet den Palm version.

Derfor prover jeg å lage den selv. men .


Это очень содержательно и полезно для всех!

ρε τι μαλακιες γραφετε

[agiorgitis]

Πές τα ρε mpak! :D :D :D

[dmmh]

my Orange M500 somehow now all of a sudden knows dutch words
Ive installed a WWE T-mobile rom on it, ill be damned if I know what version it was.
As far as I know, there isnt any t9 support for the Magician in Dutch

what can I do to extend the list of words known?

[dmmh]

for the dutch users:

http://www.dmmh.nl/pimages/naamloos.jpg

http://www.dmmh.nl/pimages/naamloos2.jpg

http://www.dmmh.nl/pimages/naamloos3.jpg

[CoolGadget]

very nice

Ik wou dat ik dit ook had :lol:

[srbwap]

i have serbian ldb from nokia phone.. what to do, for add this t9 lang in win mobile ?

here is this ldb file: http://wap.srb.co.yu/dw/srpski_v4.ldb

plz 4 help..