TomTom 5.10 on the magician ?

[MaXX99]

I'm currently using TomTom 5.00 on my Magician (1.12.550 Qtek ROM + 1.13 Radio) paired with a non-TomTom bluetooth GPS with success; but I would like to upgrade to 5.10 to be able to use CheckPOInt in order to show and warn me about all possible speedtraps.
However, as soon as I upgrade to TomTom 5.10 and I launch the application, my Magician turns itself off. Turning it on again results only in it shutting down instantly again. The only way to gain control again, is to perform a soft-reset.
I even tried several cr****d versions of the 5.10 upgrade, but all have the same effect :(
Oh, my 5.0 version is installed from the 5.0 BakoNL release + the POI patch, but I did try other installations of TomTom as well.
Could anyone help me out ?

[job]

I have exactly the same problem. Can someone help us. Pleeezzzzz...

[MaXX99]

Before I forget ... my reason to upgrade to the latest Qtek Rom in the first place was to get this update running. With my original I-mate 1.11 ROM I did have the same problems.

A collegue of mine has the same version (installed from the same media) running flawlessly on his HP 63xx series, so I think this is related to the Magician and not the software.

[raouljokhoe]

Hi,

What you can try is to download that upgrade but not install it yet.
Just unpack it on your computer and find the gps upgrade and the dll file that came with it. copy these files to your my documents on your pocketpc and then launch it (put the dll file in the windows folder first!!).
It works for me :D

[slvrbllt]

Hi TomTom fellows,

I am currently running the newest 5.10 version on my Magician flawlessy. I have experienced a few problems in the past (expecially with version 5.00) but I found out they were related to the POIs. I have solved them by renaming the POI.DAT to something else. Sure, I missed the POIs, but I'd rather use my personal ones, so who cares.
Give it a try and let us know...

Silver.

[HBK]

5.0 did have some problems with POI, which could be solved by using an older version of the POI file. 5.10 has fixed this and now POI is working perfectly, as well as everything else. If it's not running on your Magician, most likely you have some other software obstructing it.

[MaXX99]

I don't dare to bet on it, but I'm quite sure I did run TomTom on a clean device with the same effect. Perhaps it is caused by my 5.00 TomTom release icw the Magician then ?

@raouljokhoe : how do you unpack the files out of the official TomTom upgrade? All I have is the setup.exe and a .apk file ?

[Esra]

I'm in Oz.
I have TTN5.1 running with no problems at all on my magician.
Also just the 5.0 allows you to add camera POI's and have an alert for any POI catagory you'd like.

[gogol]

I tried TomTom 5.10, it runs perfectly well. But it does not recognize "Major Roads of Europe" Map. So, how is yours?

I solved the problem by replacing the .exe file (only) using the old version 5.00.

And it is now working flawlessly on my 1.01 ROM (yeah!!).

Note: I experienced a lot of problem with 5.00, but then I got a new .exe from my friend, still version 5.00 but it works perfectly.

[nedge2k]

TomTom has one big flaw: If the currentmap.dat file is not in \my docs\tomtom\ then things dont work properly. I run 5.10 on my magician with no problems but everytime i hardreset i need to replace the currentmap.dat file. The file basically just says where the current map folder is.

My file says:
& \Storage Card\Great_Britian_Plus-Map\

Trust me, sooooooo many problems get fixed by adding that file ;)

[MaXX99]

I'm in Oz.
Also just the 5.0 allows you to add camera POI's and have an alert for any POI catagory you'd like.

In Oz ?
I know that just the 5.0 can warn upcoming POI's, but it is based in number of meters before the POI instead of number of seconds. Also there is no indication when you are speeding. CheckPOInt does all that ...

I tried TomTom 5.10, it runs perfectly well. But it does not recognize "Major Roads of Europe" Map. So, how is yours?

I solved the problem by replacing the .exe file (only) using the old version 5.00.

I don't use the MRoE honestly. I am using one of the Plus maps ... so I could not tell you about the Major Roads ...

TomTom has one big flaw: If the currentmap.dat file is not in \my docs\tomtom\ then things dont work properly. I run 5.10 on my magician with no problems but everytime i hardreset i need to replace the currentmap.dat file. The file basically just says where the current map folder is.

That isn't the problem ... The file is there and correct. At startup of 5.10 I even have just the time to see part of the map before the PDA shuts itrself down. The 5.0 version does run well, with POI's and all.

Apparently I'm not the only one with this problem ... and others run TT5.1 flawlessy on their device
:?:

[jimmymac]

I have been getting this very problem too. Searched everywhere to find an answer at last I have found other people who have my problem!

My story so far....

I started with the cracked version originally of TT5.0 which worked ok and I didnt need to activate the maps. I then downloaded the 5.1 update from TT website, I then installed it.
I succesfully launched TT5.1 but it wanted me to activate the maps. So I downloaded the 5.1 crack using p2p software and installed it. this involves switching the pukka tomtom.exe file on your ppc for the cracked one. Soon as i launched the crack version I started getting these crashes on launch that shut down the magician.

So after loads of reinstalls/hard resets I finally decided to go and buy the original discs. So after recieving the discs I hard reset my device (again) and started a fresh brimming with confidence that my problem would be cured. But to no avail using the pukka route with official activation codes and the official 5.1 update it still crashes.

So my theory is given that other users use 5.1 ok that the 5.1 crack is the devil in all this, as its use somehow screws with your ROM rendering it useless to any further reinstalls of the proper the 5.1 tomtom software. And the only way forward is to reflash your rom So this I am now planning to do as one last attemt to get it working and to gain the big storage facilty.

As I now have properly registered software I now put my self in touch with tomtom suport to see if they had any ideas on what the problem was. (obviously neglecting to mention I originally used the crack version :wink: )

Here is the support thread so far

Customer 03/10/2005 11.36 AM
I have just bought your tomtom navigator 5 software, I have installed the version 5 updated it to 5.1 and installed the UK maps. The next step I loaded TomTom from the the today screen to start the set up process but the screen just goes black and crashes mt PDA. What is causing this It's brand new it should just work out of the box and your site says it supports my device?

Customer 03/10/2005 06.06 PM
I have since uninstalled all the software, deleted bad registry keys, and reinstalled, this time I just installed v5.0 which started up and allowed me to activate the maps. So then I installed the 5.1 update and it did the same as before and kept crashing my MDA when youlaunch tomtom. The screen fades to black and shuts the unit off. When you press the power again it comes on shows the nav screen breifly then powers off again. Very frustrating! Please help I so need this to work!

Customer 03/10/2005 09.17 PM
OK I rang your support line tonight, as this system seems slow. They had me hard reset my device and reinstall just tomtom navigator 5.0, which does work. The guy stated that there was no need for me to update to 5.1 as there are no known issues with the MDA compact. But I am unhappy about this situation as I wanted to use either checkpoint or poi warner with the tomtom software in order to give me speed camera alerts. Both these peices of software state they require version 5.1 or higher.
from checkpoint site:
CheckPOInt 5 was created with use of the software development kit (SDK) for TTN 5, and apparently it is required to upgrade TomTom Navigator to version 5.1 before applications created with this SDK can run smoothly.)

I await your resonse thx
J


TOMTOM Response 05/10/2005 04.31 PM
Thank you for your email.
We would first like to apologize for the late response of this email. We hope that it has not inconvenienced you.
Your PDA model is not compatible with nor meant to be used with the 5.1 update. All TomTom products and software run on all versions of Navigator 5. As we do not support third party programs, please contact the manufacturer of CheckPOint.
With best regards,
The TomTom Customer Support Team


Customer 05/10/2005 04.49 PM
Thank you for you response
I would like to request that this information be made available with the 5.1 download, so far I have wasted nearly 4 days in time trying to get the update to work. A simple statement on your site about incompatibility of the 5.1 update with the MDA compact would have saved me hours of time and will also help future users of the mda compact & tomtom not go through the same thing as me.
I have to say I find it the most bizzare situation that you provide a software update which cant be used with by some models and you don't state this fact on your website.
>>>As we do not support third party programs, please contact the manufacturer of CheckPOint.
No but you provide the SDK telling developers only to write for 5.1!!! If this is the case with certain models you should tell them to write for 5.0. Third party software is all part and parcel of wanting to buy your software had known I would have skirted passed it.
regards
J

TOMTOM Response 05/10/2005 05.05 PM
Thank you for your email.
Before downloading an update, there in an information page telling who should download the update and what the update fixes. When your model number or issue is not listed, it shouldnt be downloaded.
With best regards,
The TomTom Customer Support Team


Customer 05/10/2005 09.09 PM
Then your site is confusing
It states it is for Pocket PC, my MDA Compact is a pocket PC running Windows Mobile 2003SE

from your site:
This update can ONLY be used when you have already installed a registered version of TomTom NAVIGATOR 5 on your Pocket PC or if you are using a HP iPAQ HW 6510/6515.

fixes:
Improved phone functionality for your Pocket PC
Easier installation of 3rd party (non-TomTom) GPS devices
Improved display on devices which have a VGA display (640 x 480 pixels)

I am using both phone and third party GPS system so this update indicates to me it's for my device!
Please clarify the situation

regards
J


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(I know this post will probably attract some anti piracy responses, but hey I do buy some software, and I mainly d/l it for free to test the software first).

[jimmymac]

So to establish whether this problem is related to cracked versions of the TOMTOM 5.1 update or not....

Are you using genuine or cracked versions successfully or unsuccessfully on your Magician?

[MaXX99]

Hello Jimmy ...

You sure went trough a lot of trough a lot of trouble for contacting TomTom support ! I was honestly thinking about buying an official version myself, but apparently that does not seem to be a good solution either then ... since even with the official support and license, they just wimp away any questions regarding the MDA :(
I'm afraid I will go back to my Alturion installation if I cannot get this issue sorted (yes, it's an oficial one, really ...), although I do prefer TomTom on the PDA :(
Unless of course a 5.2 release might solve our problems of course ! :)

I seriously doubt the 5.1 cracked version messing up the ROM honestly .... Why only on the MDA then and not on any other PDA make ?

Cheers !

[jackleung]

I am using TT5.0 instead of 5.1 because I need to load TT 2004 USA map. I do have TT5 USA map but found 2004 map works much better in California. (TT5 USA map only display INCORRECT exit number instead of exit street name). So far so good until the day I need to search for "Wal-mart" and it crash. Works fine now after I overwrite the TT 2004 USA POI file w/ TT5 USA POI file. I guess it has something to do w/ the POI file format.

[sledgedog]

I'm getting this same problem with a fresh 5.0 install. Has anyone found a way around this. Also if anyone has a working version of 5.0 on an MDA Compact could they let me have a file list of what is on the SD card as I'm wondering if there is any third party add ons on it.

[MaXX99]

Well, I gave it another try doing a hard reset but to no avail.
Since others are running 5.10 without any problems apparently, this must have someting to do with either the rom version or the ext_rom contents.
What versions are you using and is the 5.10 upgrade working for you ?
Me, I run the Qtek WWE_11200_550_11200 + Radio upgrade 1.13 on what used to be an Imate Jam. All roms were taken from the XDA-developpers ftp.

[MaXX99]

@job : I PM'ed you so we could try to find out what is wrong

[Bugzbunny]

Hi,

until now i had no problems using TT5.0 on my Magician (original MDAc german).
Yesterday I upgraded to the new 1.13.01 ROM (org T-Mobile Germany). After upgrading to the new ROM-Version and installing TT5.0 it was not starting anymore. So I decided upgrading to TT5.1, but the downloaded upgrade hangs while installing on the device. The only help is a Soft-Reset.
I think, there are problems with the new ROM. Has anyone same problems or a solution for that problem.

BugzBunny

[HBK]

Looks like Extended ROM problems. Try a hard reset and then soft reset the device, just as the 3 seconds countdown appears. Install TomTom and see if it runs. If it does, try installing the prgs of the Ext ROM one by one, until TT fails again. Then you will know the culprit.

[Prerna]

Hi, I read in a forum that these 2 .CABs are necessary for usage of a GPS' device. They belong to the extended ROM, so you could try to install these manually...

BTHUSB_PATCH_AKU26.CAB

BT_Icon_Aku2.6.CAB

[learner_driver]

I installed went to work all was well.

Then I downloaded the gatso files from pocketgps and it crashed all the way home.

So I had a read here - renamed the poi.dat to poi.dat.o or whatever and it ran.

So then I adjusted the amount of memory that programs can run in in settings under ram.

Favouring programs and all seems well again after i had the po9i.dat back as ever,

I think it maybe a ram issue. Try moving your slider so your have about 22mb free on program

try it

simon

[tmjunge]

Hi there! I just found this forum looking for tomtom 5.0 cabs. No illegal stuff! Finally, I got an MDAcompact with latest ROMs and tomtom. On the SD-card is tomtom 5.1 already prepared for installation. Same problem as some guys here around: MDAc shuts off when starting up tomtom.

I spent over one hour on tomtom's support line (most time waiting - and paying...) and finally they told me:

"Tomtom 5.1 is not compatible to the latest ROM-version of MDAc." The said, they are working on a fix but the release date is not predictable... Damn! Where can I get a "downgrade" for my Tomtom 5.1? I need the 5.0 installer, as I said no illegal stuff - 'cos I bought the software and own a product code.

[WDM]

I have the same problem with the TomTom upgrade to version 5.10 :x . I contacted TomTom via email (as I own a registered version) and they confirmed what tmjunge already mentioned. Here is their response to my email:

Guten Tag,

vielen Dank fuer Ihre Anfrage.

Es gibt im Augenblick in der Tat Probleme mit der neuen Rom-Version des MDA Compacts. Daran wird jetzt gearbeitet. Diese wird sobald diese bereitsteht auf der webseite abrufbar sein.

Wir bitten dies zu entschuldigen.

Bitte reinstalieren Sie zwischenzeitlich die Software neu auf Ihr altes Geraet und danach da Updat auf 5.1.

Wir hoffen, dass wir Ihnen hiermit weitergeholfen haben.
Mit freundlichen Gruessen,

TomTom Support Team

SHORT TRANSLATION from German to english:

"We do indeed have a current problem with certain ROM versions of the MDA Compact. We are looking for a solution which can be downloaded from our website at a later time".

I have found my own SOLUTION :D :

If it is really important to you guys to have the latest version TomTom then you need to only downgrade you ROM version to version 10 (I had version 12 up to now and it dodnt work). Once I downgraded... bingo :D :D :D ... it worked. I am not sure about version 11... maybe somebody can give their feedback on the compatibility of version 11.

Take it easy

[Simghost]

If You can get away without Contacts-Navigation and the TomTom Today Plugin then try my solution...
The best part is that you don't even have to install or re install after a hard reset (as long as nothing is deleted from the SD/MMC card!).

Instructions:
1) Download and unzip Tomtom51_SD.rar to a folder of choice (you get 2 Directories and a link file)
2) Uninstall TomTom from your pocket PC KEEP THE MAP ON YOUR SD/MMC CARD! (make sure you delete all files and registry settings) or hard reset if u prefer!
3) Copy the contents of the Tomtom_SD Folder to the root of your storage card (making sure no file is marked read only)
4) Open the TomTom_My_Documents\TomTom folder and edit the CurrentMap.dat (using Notepad) so that it points to your map folder [eg. my default: \Storage Card\Great-Britain-Map\ should be replaced with the name of the map folder which is on your SD/MMC card for example \Storage Card\Italia-Map\].
5) Save the changes to the CurrentMap.dat.
6) Copy the contents of the TomTom_My_Documents into your My Documents Folder.
7) Copy the TomTom Navigator link to your Pocket PC's \Windows\Start Menu\Programs Folder.

You are done!

In case u ever need to hard reset Just Repeat steps 6 and 7!
PS keeping a copy of your modded CurrentMap.dat and of the TomTom Navigator link on your SD Card helps in case u have to hard reset far from home!
NOTE: this works also with rom 1.13.00WWE from T-Mobile NL which has been made for the MDA Compact;
To add Voices simply drop them to your \Storage Card\Voices\ folder
If tomtom crashes while u’re on the road then delete the POI.dat from the map folder...before deleting anything make sure the folder or file is not marked read-only.

Hope this was of any help

[oltp]

Hi,

I am using the TT5.1 which is on the ftp site. It works without any errors, even combined with contacts nav & poiplace. Had major problems with 5.0 unstable as @&!. As I'm on rom version 1.13, this is probably not the issue, even got almost all the t-mob ext-rom stuff installed.
So I can't provide you with a solution, but can assure you that TT5.1 will run stable on the magician.

M

[bruins3]

To all of you,

I have TomTom 5.0 and it works like a charm with POI. I used a patchfile that I found on the net. I installed it after I installed the TomTom 5.0 software. All my POI's and other functions work verry stable. I don't know if I can post the patch on this forum, becouse I don't know if it is legal. Can a moderator let me know if I caon post this fix for TomTom 5.0?

Greetz,

Giovanni

[zerimar]

I'm using TT 5.1 and running ROM 1.13. It hanged on me once for about 30 sec., but so far no major problems even when POIs are active.

[Zeganso]

Hi!

Ive had the 5 version installed, but since i couldnt read any maps cause it wouldnt find any, i updated it to 5.10 version, but also with no luck.
I have it installed on the main memory and the maps on the SD card.
What am i doing wrong and what can i do to fix it???

Cheers!

[godot]

The new update 5.21 is released!

You can download it from here;
http://www.tomtom.com/support/index.php?Language=1&FID=3361