I got my wizard :) [Archive]

psneddon

01-10-2005, 11:43 AM

It does feel alot more chunky than the jam - but it is fast and a non-xscale version of skype is preloaded. I'm just setting the device up now.

Paul

tomvdz

01-10-2005, 11:44 AM

How did you get it? is out already?

psneddon

01-10-2005, 12:04 PM

Yep, sent out from expansys yesterday.

wamatt

01-10-2005, 12:17 PM

is it as big as the PDA2K?

psneddon

01-10-2005, 12:42 PM

Never had a PDA2k. Its roughly the same height and width as the jam but feels alot bulky, however it seems to fit in my jacket pocket just fine.

The device is nice and fast, although writing to the persistant storage is a little slow.

The build quality seems alot better then the jam, no rattles :)

psneddon

01-10-2005, 12:42 PM

Also voice dialling over bluetooth works just fine, the audio now gets routed through the BT headset and BT mic.

jaythemagician

01-10-2005, 01:14 PM

It's nowhere near the size of the pda2k! I received mine today as well, as you said alot chunkier than the jam but it's still small. Very tidy looking, just hope the sliding keyboard holds out!!

kd_bimmer1

02-10-2005, 04:14 AM

Psneddon,
Does music also work over bluetooth headset? I've always wanted this to work on the Jam, but didn't.

Ken

rookery

02-10-2005, 04:37 AM

HI psneddon,

are there any PDF user menu come with your NEW K-Jam ??? would you upload it for us, Thanks

If file size is less than 25Mb try

http://www.mytempdir.com/

Thanks a lot

psneddon

02-10-2005, 10:06 AM

Found the manual here :-

http://www.clubimate.com.nyud.net:8090/support/KJAM/MANUALS/MNL/050905_K-JAM_manual_english.pdf

The device actually comes with a nice printed manual.

The answer to the music over bluetooth is sort of yes and no. If I have the device paired etc and play media player the music comes from the speakers, however if I press the headset and it lauches the voicedial app the music comes out the headset. It switches back once the voicedial application stops though :(

Paul

CoolGadget

02-10-2005, 10:16 AM

I notice, it swith automatic to landscape mode, if you slide the keyboard open.

But if you want to go in landscape without opening the keyboard, there isn't an icon on the right where you can tap on for switchin screen. If you want to switch screen without opening keyboard, you need to go thru the menus to change it.

Anybody know how to bypass this?

thnx

psneddon

02-10-2005, 10:18 AM

I've found my device to be a little unstable and a little buggy. Sometimes it just resets itself. Although the weird thing is sometimes when it soft resets its self it comes back and the radio gsm part of the phone survives the reset (its on and got a signal before I've even put in my device password)

kd_bimmer1

02-10-2005, 06:39 PM

psneddon,
The music over bluetooth sounds like it has improved over the Jam, I'm sure someone will come up with a fix for that, however I have heard that the A2DP profile update is coming out for the K-Jam, which would allow us to use stereo bluetooth headsets!!!

What is your overall opinion of the K-Jam? Coming from the Jam, with 128meg upgrade, what do you think about the memory? I heard something about when programs are loaded in persistent memory, the response is very slow. Have you seen this?

What is the overall response of the unit?

What is the battery life like compared to the Jam?

Thanks,
Ken

J273

02-10-2005, 07:13 PM

Yea ive got a 128mb Jam and would like to know the above Q

Thanks

luv2chill

02-10-2005, 07:30 PM

Does the K-Jam come with a voice dial app like the Universal? If so, what program is it?

I have the Apache (basically the CDMA version of the Wizard) but it doesn't come with voice dialing software and even after installing MS Voice Command it cannot be activated via BT headset.

However, when pressing the button on the headset, the audio does come through the headset speaker indefinitely.

Dan

psneddon

02-10-2005, 08:36 PM

I'll mainly list the negative points... Heres a very unstructured review.

The device seems slightly slower than the jam, sometimes its really quick - other times it crawls along. One reason for this could be that WM5 seems to never close a program - when my device slows to a crawl i usually check the memory manager and there are like 15 programs running!

It is a little to thick for my liking and I'm not using the keyboard as much as I though I would. When I go back to holding my Jam it seems sooo thin and light.

When I install pocket plus 3 and soft reset my device freezes and i have to hard reset which is a pain - even tried installing it without any other software installed.

The side and top buttons on the device (e.g. power, camera) are all now recessed into the unit, which is good for stopping accidental presses but sometimes its hard to feel where the buttons actually are and its hard to know if your actually pressing them when you try.

The build quality is very good - better then the jam. However getting the miniSD out is a bit of a struggle - it seems to be sticking on something.

When you use the camera you can ONLY use it landscape - which is a pain.

Wm5 does seem a bit buggy here and there and yesterday my device was soft resetting itself every few hours although after a hard reset it is not doing it anymore (must have been a software problem).

Having all the storage space for apps/file and all the memory for running programs is how it should have always been.

Battery life is great compared to the jam, however if you have wifi on it does eat the battery a bit.

The wifi works no problem with my belkin router - no problems at all. Only think is that if you suspend the device (or it time out) the wifi gets turned off (thus saving battery) but you have to manually re-enable it. Would be good if it would automatically re-enable when you un-suspend the device.

The bt headset works much better then the jam. You can change a registry key to change the program that gets loaded when you press the headset button. Also the problem with the audio getting left open when you use ms voice command is fixed as you simply press the headset button again to close the audio (however its hard to tell that my headset it active in a noisy enviroment.

I remember when I first got my Jam, it had LOADS of bugs with the inital rom that were fixed in the next rom. I suspect it will be the same with the k-jam.

Another nice feature is that you can press and hold the "comm manger" button on the left side of the device and this switches the device between "sound on" and "vibrate" modes.

The keyboard it quite good although the backlight doesnt really light the alt-keys (each key has two uses).

There is now a little batter meter on the bottom of the screen which again makes it feel more like a phone :)

Overall the k-jam is a nice evolution of the jam - the speed is a good compromise between processing speed and battery. On the whole I would rather have a slightly slower device and a greatly improved battery.

I only wish it didnt feel so chunky - if you could detatch the keyboard and leave it at home - now that would be fantastic :)

Paul

psneddon

02-10-2005, 08:41 PM

Also putting the stylus under the device towards the back is a pain. I would have been much better if it had been left in the same location as the jam

A few other things...

You can now turn the device completely off just like the smartphone (hold down the power button for 4 secs)

You can cancel the device customisation when you hard reset the device by simply pressing cancel on the ext rom setup screen. However most of the software included is built right into the rom and the cab files simply contain shortcuts and reg entries

kd_bimmer1

02-10-2005, 08:54 PM

Thanks psneddon for the update,

That was a very good update you just gave. I want to know what programs you have installed and how much memory is left on the device?

How much is in program, storage and flash rom?

Do you install your programs in flash rom or what?

It sounds like this device is a little larger than the Jam, do you think this was a good upgrade considering all of the new features available on the device?

Kensai

02-10-2005, 09:01 PM

psneddon, bottom line: will you prefer it from your JAM (if JAM had WM5)?

psneddon

02-10-2005, 09:02 PM

The device has about 50mb storage space and it seems to have 50meg fo user ram (according to the device info). With just activesync running I have 30mb of memory free and 29mb in use. But going by the way Wm5 manages memory I wouldnt say that data is very meaningfull.

I install some stuff like today plugins in the storage memory but most of the stuff on miniSD card since its faster.

Since the storage/memory is now seperated I dont really think we have to worry anymore about what we install to main storage 50MB is enought in my view.

One good thing is that when you install software via activesync or by cab file the install process is much better - the device now asks where you want to install the software - activesync doesnt prompt you for any information.

Overall I really think that for being one of the first WM5 devices out it is stable enough - it should be rock solid after a few updates.

My only REAL gripe about WM5 is that I was really looking forward to the new "one handed operation" of the device - which is mostly very good - just like the smartphone. except that for programs that use the "ok" button in the top corner you still seem to need to tap the screen. Saying that there is an "ok" button on the keyboard

psneddon

02-10-2005, 09:03 PM

If the jam had wifi, wm5, and the same battery life as the k-jam then I would be hard pushed to justify just paying £500 for the k-jam. The screen on the k-jam is so much brighter and whiter then the jam though.

kd_bimmer1

02-10-2005, 09:07 PM

Thanks again for the quick reply!!

Have you used the GPRS-Edge capability on the unit? What is your opinion on that?

How long have you have the device?

Do you regret your purchase of the Jam?

Of course, the real reason I keep asking you all these questions is because I am thinking about getting rid of my Jam and get the K-Jam.

psneddon

02-10-2005, 09:08 PM

Jus found a bug - not serious though. The keyboard "c" and "x" keys also double up as the "_" and "-" keys. However when you actually press them they are the wrong way about - you press for "_" and instead get "-", the actuall letters are fine though.

psneddon

02-10-2005, 09:09 PM

GPRS seems much better and faster than on the JAM. On the Jam it took about 8 seconds to connect and was slow and flaky and I couldnt reconnect without a soft rest. On the k-jam it works perfect.

Only thing is even though I have my GPRS connections setup - when I click on the "G" on the top of the screen I cant choose to manually connect, it tells me if I want to connect I should create a new connection??? However if you load up IE and browse it goes initiate a connection

kd_bimmer1

02-10-2005, 09:29 PM

How long have you have the device?

Do you regret your purchase of the K-Jam?

What service provider are you using? (ex. tmobile, rogers,etc)

How are your voice calls on the unit and through bluetooth headset?

Also, the speakerphone?

psneddon

02-10-2005, 09:35 PM

I've had the device for 2 days now. I dont regret getting the device, I'll need to see how I get on with it before I really know though. Voice calls are great, nice and loud, and I've had no programs with bluetooth calls either. Speakerphone is good as it uses the stereo speakers on the device for increased volume. Wm5 has much better call software. When you are in a call you have buttons on the screen for mute, speaker, headset etc.

kd_bimmer1

02-10-2005, 09:44 PM

Thanks!!

So who is your provider?

Do you use the keyboard alot when entering text? I had bought the pda2k and I found myself not using the keyboard a whole lot, so I finally sold it.

How is the camera on the device? Are the pictures any better than the Jams?

Ken

psneddon

02-10-2005, 09:55 PM

I'm with Orange in the uk. I dont use the keyboard that much but I suspect thats because I'm so used to no having it.

The camera is better then on the Jam, less of that terrible snow effect. The led flash is ok and very bright.

wardy

02-10-2005, 10:10 PM

Had mine two days now,

Good points. 1 handed sms sending is soooo much easier . Photo now in contacts field , no more photo id software . Screen is brighter , battery life is amazing. Wireless works ok , mine auto connects after suspend . This is the biggest plus , hooked it up to my bluetooth headset pressed the headset button and i can use voise dial through the headset !!! Checked by entering another room and saying the name.. :wink: Voice setup is easy and effortless . Keyboard iluminates nicely . Haven't had to reset it yet :lol: 8) . WIFI security !!! Supports latest encryption methods. Skype works !!! and they doubted it would :wink:

Bad Points : Web pages load quite slowly, Skype doesn't load if you have too many apps open . 3rd party software compatibility . SPB plus 3 , Agenda fusion , and other apps I use still are not Win Mob 5 complient :roll: . Work laptop Bluescreens on device connection.

ShALLaX

02-10-2005, 11:14 PM

Thats funny, the main selling point of SPB Pocket Plus v3 is that its Windows Mobile 5.0 compatible...

TofClock

02-10-2005, 11:25 PM

Can anyone do a entire export of his wizard registry in a .reg file and post it here please ?

wardy

02-10-2005, 11:47 PM

Can anyone do a entire export of his wizard registry in a .reg file and post it here please ?

Yea , it kept locking my device so I binned it for now

gazzrenn

03-10-2005, 12:49 AM

Great stuff chaps, thanks for the info.. One small question from me though, apologies if this has been covered elsewhere...

Can you confirm or deny support for A2DP ?

You see, when i get my Wizard, i'll be wanting one of these http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000127032903/ for the car !

:D

sion

03-10-2005, 12:51 AM

Fantastic reviews chaps, everything I wanted to here, so in light of all that when and how can we all get our hands on HTC Athenas or XDA Atoms, it would appear every gripe here would be answered quite easily by purchasing an Atom, better size, lack of keyboard, faster CPU, more robust and ergonomic build and feel, 2.0 camera, these are you're thoughts not mine, all we all really wanted anyway was a HTC Magician with Built in WiFi, 128 megs of ram and WM2005 and in the Atom were getting it and a few extra bits all in that magician size we new & loved.

As I said in a previous post: It always takes more courage to dare to be right, than fear to be wrong.

Regards Ash'e
Regards Ash'e

NoBackUp

03-10-2005, 01:04 AM

The device seems slightly slower than the jam, sometimes its really quick - other times it crawls along. One reason for this could be that WM5 seems to never close a program - when my device slows to a crawl i usually check the memory manager and there are like 15 programs running!

{.....}

When I install pocket plus 3 and soft reset my device freezes and i have to hard reset which is a pain - even tried installing it without any other software installed.

If Yours is the IMATE KJAM then go search heare or on PocketPcDubai.com and find my post on REMOVING the AntiVirus stuff which has improved the overall speed and allowed SBP3Plus to work

The build quality is very good - better then the jam. However getting the miniSD out is a bit of a struggle - it seems to be sticking on something.

Most people complained that on the JAM that the SD CARD FLEW OUT !!! any way nothing "Sticken" on mine ...BUILD/QA Quality ?

When you use the camera you can ONLY use it landscape - which is a pain.

Like the most asked for Feature on all LASt GENERATION CELL Phones (SE/NOKIA)

Wm5 does seem a bit buggy here and there and yesterday my device was soft resetting itself every few hours although after a hard reset it is not doing it anymore (must have been a software problem).

Since FIXING the AV and Standard "Pre Loaded Software" 100% Stable..

The keyboard it quite good although the backlight doesnt really light the alt-keys (each key has two uses).

Did you Notice that SOME of the KEYS LEFt MOSt and RIGHT MOST Colums are only "Half illuminated..in teh Case of the KJAM the DARK BLUR backlight can be a pain in half light conditions..

sion

03-10-2005, 01:21 AM

wardy

03-10-2005, 10:46 AM

Guess someones getting an Atom then 8) I am very happy with my K-Jam and I would suggest you only get it if you want the keyboard .

sion

03-10-2005, 12:09 PM

Yep since I fully managed to master the QuickWriting system, a system I still recommend every body should give a try, I have no need for a keyboard, except for my thinks outside fold out blue tooth one that always lives in my bag.

However Atom it may be, but it is not as simple as that, I need to get it from O2 UK and it is looking pretty sketchy as to whether they are going to supply it all, and even if they do when will they get stock, I know they are releasing the wizard in two to three weeks and as usual are very nervous about releasing a superior model so close to its release date for fear of loosing sales.

So I think I will as I have said before be hanging onto my XDA II untill I can by hook or by crook get my hands on a Atom.

Many thanks to all of you for all your incisive and elequent reviews they helped me make my mind up, it not only shows what a great bunch of chaps you all are and what a useful purpose XDA Developer really Serves.

Regards Ash'e

jglev

08-10-2005, 05:52 PM

The device has about 50mb storage space and it seems to have 50meg fo user ram (according to the device info). With just activesync running I have 30mb of memory free and 29mb in use. But going by the way Wm5 manages memory I wouldnt say that data is very meaningfull.

I install some stuff like today plugins in the storage memory but most of the stuff on miniSD card since its faster.

Since the storage/memory is now seperated I dont really think we have to worry anymore about what we install to main storage 50MB is enought in my view.

So now it seems to be confirmed that the Universal, the Wizard and the Apache all have 128mb of ROM, but only about 50 mb available (actually windows only reports that the total installed is about 45 mb on my Apache). So the question is: where did all the ROM go? Rumor has it that the WM5 Treo will have only 64mb of ROM with about half being available to the user. These numbers don't add up. If the OS only takes up about 32mb of ROM, how come all the HTC devices with WM5 report that there is only about 50 mb total. Shouldn't we have about 96 mb available to us? Even if there is other crap installed in the ROM, how can we have so little left over? How can we recover the missing 45 mb of ROM? I only have a few things installed into main memory and already I am down to only 15 mb or ROM available, so I think the lack of available ROM could become an issue.

psneddon

08-10-2005, 05:55 PM

The 128mb ROM is taken up by the OS itself, and the extended rom. Its roughly 50MB for the OS file, 30 MB for the extended rom and 50MB for the user.

Paul

jglev

08-10-2005, 06:01 PM

The 128mb ROM is taken up by the OS itself, and the extended rom. Its roughly 50MB for the OS file, 30 MB for the extended rom and 50MB for the user.

Paul

OK, then the question is: how will Palm (and other hardware device makers who only install 64 mb of ROM) fit 80 mb of OS and ext-ROM data into a 64 mb ROM space and have 32 mb left over for users to use?

Something isn't adding up.

psneddon

08-10-2005, 06:04 PM

Maybe some manufactuers only disclose the value of the user ROM? So Palm may have a 128MB chip but since only really 64MB is user available they are only going to use that in their specs.

ShALLaX

08-10-2005, 06:38 PM

Maybe some manufactuers only disclose the value of the user ROM? So Palm may have a 128MB chip but since only really 64MB is user available they are only going to use that in their specs.

Nah, manufacturers arent that nice. If they can get away with it, they'll do it (hence the whole argument about MB vs MiB.. GB vs GiB).

cbrow51

09-10-2005, 05:47 AM

Well, I have had my K-Jam for 3 days now and I have to say that it is by far the best HTC device I have ever used. Compared with my xda 1, xdaII and xdaIIs, its just so much more stable. No soft resets to date! And it actually does all the things it says it should do on the box too :wink: ...and not just one at a time, but together!! Already, my xdaIIs feels like a dinosar in comparison. I was worried that the K-Jam was not going to be a worthwhile purchase for me, but it was worth every penny. At last something that works out of the box!! This could be the perfect device (at least for me). I may never need to get anything else... ok, now I know I am getting carried away :wink: Anyway, GREAT JOB HTC and i-mate!! In my opinion, you hit a home run with this one!

cbrow51

09-10-2005, 06:58 AM

suddenly_ike

09-10-2005, 11:35 AM

Sion,
It seems your very enthousiatic about the Wizard.

But what happened to your Holy Grail??

Well what a difference in I.T. life a couple of days makes, Two days ago I was panicking about having to upgrade to a HTC Wizard with all it's underlying, associated buíld/development problems, and now I am sat here with my own & what I feel is many other people's PDA Holy Grail in my hand.

In my hand I have a I-Mate Jam, but with a couple or three big differences:

One it has 128 Megs of Ram.
Two it has built in WiFi
Three it has a 2 GIG SD Card plugged in that works.

Now I might add that this is not my Jam, However the little known about UK based company that has produced it are quite willing to customise one for me if I can lay my hands on one in the next week or so.

They will also be offering it as a commercial service over the net as of November this year.

So my dear friends, fellow bookworms, frustrated burglers, affronted policemen or city gents with titly furled umbrella's, I am glad I have joined & listened to you all so many times but I am afraid I won't be joining you just yet in your wizardly new worlds now that I have found my own personal PDA Val-Hala. Long live the 128 Meg WiFi enabled Jam, who knows we may even be able to get WM2005 on it yet, that really would be something, & a right kick up the hind quarters for HTC.

Kind Regards Ash'e

You never seemed to answer when people were asking where you got that device...
Maybe you can explain now.... :twisted:

rookery

09-10-2005, 11:46 AM