Camera update... more frames per second

[hartiberlin]

Hi All,
I am looking for a software update for my
XDA Mini camera software.
I have the version 2.70 ( done 18727)
on my Xda mini.

Is there a new version out that:
1. Can record in a higher framerate than 10 frames/sec
in 320x240 ?
2. has a mode for 90 degrees 320x240 instead of 240x320 ?

Will it be possible to tweak the camera to get
better pictures and video ?

Thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

[Dakky]

afaik you can take videos in 320x240 (landscape mode) , just press the key under green key..

[undernewbie]

How to check camera's version ?

[hartiberlin]

Hi,
thanks for the info about landscape mode.

Does anybody know,
if there is a newer camera version out than:
version 2.70 ( done 18727) ?


Aren´t there any independant camera developers here ?
I would be willing to pay for a software that can do
any recording in 320x240 in 25 frames/sec in any Codec.

Please let me know, if there exists something like this.

Thanks.

Regards, Harti.

[sipdawg]

well, i think it aint so easy but if it is :lol: :o
the version you`re using is the newest as far as i know, follow another thread about saving pictures to sd. check that out!
I realy love to see software for the camera function of pda`s.
Also a "panorama maker" sounds cool

[hartiberlin]

Hi,
where is exactly the other thread ? URL ?

Is there a better camera software inside the XDA mini s,
( the new Imate Magician with the keyboard ) ?
As it is probably the same hardware camera device,
maybe it will have a better software which can be extracted
from the Roms and could be used also for the Magician ?

What camera software comes with Windows Mobile 2005 ?

Is there already any pocket PC out there,
that can record videos in 640x480 in more than 10 frames/sec ?

Regards, Harti.

[ampda]

There is a new version its V2.70 (Build 21026)

Here is a CAB file that will install the new camera into Storage and the Album as well.

I have also attached just the new camera that will install into RAM which will replace your existing one (this option will use up your RAM)

The below CAB's include the camera fix so the speckles or "Snow" have also but been removed.

To uninstall you may have to manualy delete the new shortcuts and replace them with the standard shortcut found in the windows directory.

These CAB files will not delete the old files as they the old ones are loaded into RAM which can't be deleted.

If you want the CAB file to remain on your PPC after installation simply change its file preferences to "Read Only"

All CAB Files include the Speckle (or noise) FIX

[hartiberlin]

Thanks,
does this new version support more than 10 frames/sec
in 320x240 resolution mode ?

Howdo I install CAB files ?
Please give me an URL , where it is explained, how I can
install CAB fileson the pocket PC, thanks.

Regards, Harti.

[ampda]

Thanks,
does this new version support more than 10 frames/sec
in 320x240 resolution mode ?

Howdo I install CAB files ?
Please give me an URL , where it is explained, how I can
install CAB fileson the pocket PC, thanks.

Regards, Harti.

Not sure what the frame rate is.

To install CAB files just copy the file onto you SD card or into your device via a card reader (sd card) or via ActiveSync "Explore".

After you copy the file click on it on your Pocket PC via your file explorer.

Thats it. it will install into the folder i mentioned above.

[hartiberlin]

Is there soon coming a new camera software version
that can capture at 25 frames/sec in any codec ?

Who is working on something like this ?
I really wouldl ove to pay money for such a recording program.

Please use overclocking if you can´t get it the normal way, but please
someone try 25 frames/sec at 320x240 at least.
Thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

[issam]

Hello I have found a new Camera Build: camera_v2.70 build 20677. however, don't know the difference is, haven't tryed it. Anyway, I attached here. Good Luck.

[pietrucci]

Hello I have found a new Camera Build: camera_v2.70 build 20677. however, don't know the difference is, haven't tryed it. Anyway, I attached here. Good Luck.My version is 21026...
(from T-Mobile ROM 1.13).

[rustoss]

Hello I have found a new Camera Build: camera_v2.70 build 20677. however, don't know the difference is, haven't tryed it. Anyway, I attached here. Good Luck.My version is 21026...
(from T-Mobile ROM 1.13).
It`s the same with me, landscape by default & may be somthing more...

[hartiberlin]

Please can you check,
if the new camera software can do more frames per second
than 10 frames/sec in 320x240 mode ?
Please check both in MPEG-4 and MJPEG Avi.
Thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

[rustoss]

Please can you check,
if the new camera software can do more frames per second
than 10 frames/sec in 320x240 mode ?
Please check both in MPEG-4 and MJPEG Avi.
Thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
just harry test on ImTOO 3GP Video Converter
C:\Downloads\Video\200511162122_00003.mp4
Summary:
Duration: 00:00:22
Bit rate: 277kbps
Video:
Format: mpeg4
Size: 320x240
Frame rate: 25.00fps
Audio:
Format: amr_nb
Bit rate: 0kbps
Sample rate: 8000Hz
Channels: Mono

it seems to be true, after decode to DVx, player show me 25 frame per sec. & all fast motion in the movie looks fluent

[hartiberlin]

Hi,
Did you record Video or MMS Video ?

in Mode Video with MP4 and MJPEG Avi the new version
still records in 10 frames /sec.

Maybe your converter programm interpolates it just to 25frames/sec ?

But this will still not be true 25 frames/sec from the source, the camera
and still will be quite choppy.

Regards. Stefan,

[hartiberlin]

Hi,
I tested now all modes again with TCPMP Player
and all 320x240 modes only have 10 frames/sec ! :roll:

Only the H263 mode with just 176x144 has 15 frames per
second. But that is just for MMS Videos mostly only and I want at least
320x240 in 25 frames/sec.


Regards, Stefan,

[fone_fanatic]

so is it worth it to upgrade from build 20117 to 21026? i'm using 2.7 build 20117 and the camera is still worthless.

[marto_martin]

ampda,

Are you going to do a new CAB download of the newer version which has your "bonus fixes" added in?

Just wondering cause I just downloaded your file above but am now wondering if there's something new just around the corner :D

Cheers,
marto

[ampda]

ampda,

Are you going to do a new CAB download of the newer version which has your "bonus fixes" added in?

Just wondering cause I just downloaded your file above but am now wondering if there's something new just around the corner :D

Cheers,
marto

I have updated the files in my first post, let me know how you go

[programatix]

Ok, the latest version of Camera & Album software comes with the 1.13 ROM upgrade. Instead of upgrading, you can download the cab from the 1.13 Extended Rom.

About the framerate, I think Magician can only go as high as 25fps. To check this, edit the registery at

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\HTC\Camera\AppDefSetti ngs\General

Change the EnableFrameRate value to 1. This will show the current framerate the camera hardware is capturing. At 320x200, the highest is about 15fps.

To change the encoding framerate (which is useless as the we suppose to set the encoding framerate lower than the capturing framerate & as far as I can see, the setting is already in its optimal state), take a look at the registry at

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\HTC\Camera\Recparam

There are several profiles for the encoder. Take a look at each of the profile and change the framerate as you wish.

[duke911]

Ok, the latest version of Camera & Album software comes with the 1.13 ROM upgrade. Instead of upgrading, you can download the cab from the 1.13 Extended Rom.

About the framerate, I think Magician can only go as high as 25fps. To check this, edit the registery at

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\HTC\Camera\AppDefSetti ngs\General

Change the EnableFrameRate value to 1. This will show the current framerate the camera hardware is capturing. At 320x200, the highest is about 15fps.

To change the encoding framerate (which is useless as the we suppose to set the encoding framerate lower than the capturing framerate & as far as I can see, the setting is already in its optimal state), take a look at the registry at

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\HTC\Camera\Recparam

There are several profiles for the encoder. Take a look at each of the profile and change the framerate as you wish.


I was about to post the same here... anyway.. I don't think you'll get any difference.... but you can try however...

[hartiberlin]

Hi,
with this parameter:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\HTC\Camera\Recparam
I could set the framerate at the MPEG4 320x240 setting to 25frames/sec,
but the real encoded framerate is only about 11 to 12 frames/sec.

Is there any possibility to overclock the PDA and thus get a real higher
framerate during recording ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Harti.

[oltp]

Is there any possibility to overclock the PDA and thus get a real higher
framerate during recording ?


Yes you can use Pocket Hack Master (PHM) for instance. It is discussed in some Magician & upgrading threads.

Cheers, M

[programatix]

As far as I experienced, any overclocking application will actually slow down the camera. This include PHM and XCPU Scaler (or something like that... can't remember the actual name).

[hartiberlin]

Why does overclocking slow down the camera ?
Maybe you have to change then also some additional parameters
as the Verticalsync save time parameters..
Look into the regedit parameters there and try to change a few.

Please post your results again over here.

I am really looking forward to get a camera application that
can capture MPEG4 or MJPEG AVI at 25 frames/sec.

Many thanks.

Regards, Harti.

[baniaczek]

As far as I experienced, any overclocking application will actually slow down the camera. This include PHM and XCPU Scaler (or something like that... can't remember the actual name).

It is not absolutely true.

Using PHM:

Try "Enable application specific speeds" end setup overclocking for Camera:
program path: \\Windows\\Camera.exe
Check: "Force speed setting"
Check: "Foreground activation only"
and select speed settings with maximum "Memory Index"

[programatix]

Really? I after reading your post, I installed the latest PHM and viola! I am disappointed again.

Try setting the camera to show the framerate on the screen. Start PHM and set the speed to 416 mhz. Well? It is faster, slower or the same? Definitely slower.

At the size of 640x480 the speed without PHM is about 17.8fps but with PHM started (with the speed of 416mhz), it's only 12fps.

[biokeks]

Sorry if I am a little bit of topic, but i ask myself if it is possible
to add per registry a new video setting (for example "320x240 highframerate")
so I dont have to touch the presets? I add new registry key, but it doesnt
works. By the way: Is it possible to set a video resolution of 640x480?

[hartiberlin]

hi,
I am still not satisfied with the current camera application.
The framerate is still too slow and has somebody still reached 25 frames/ sec ?

Also these are the main disadvantages:
1. is there a Volume control for the audio mic input ?
My audio gets distorted in loud surroundings. How can the volume be controlled during recording ?

2.The MP4 and 3GP formats are just too incompatible for the normal PC user. I need to convert them to WMV or MPPEG4-AVI, before sending them out via email to friends directly from the Pocket PC. is there a Windows Media Encoder that runs directly on the Pocket PC ? or any converter software ?
Thanks, regards Harti.

[hartiberlin]

P.S. My XDA mini crashed recently and I had to make A hard Reset loosing all my data.
Now I had reinstalled the newest Camera CAB installation from this thread over here and now I have the bug,that I can not save the video anymore to my SD card directly.
Although I can choose this setting, the video only gets stored to the main memory, which steals all the time valuable storage space. Is there a fix for this ?

[hartiberlin]

Is there already any other video capture application available for the Magician or will soon be available ?
It would be nice to have one with more settings and more standard codecs. Thanks. Regards, Stefan.

[hartiberlin]

At least it is now possible to send about 300 Kbytes big
Videofiles directly via the German O2 WAP Flatrate to other email addresses via www.gmail.com or www.gmx.de accounts.

I have tried this now and it works via the WAP flatrate for free.
So I can now send as many videofiles I like when I am on the road
for free to other email addresses, but I would prefer sending WMVs instead of MP4s, cause more people can easier play them and
Windows Mediaplayer automatically downloads missing codecs.
I wonder, why it does not so with MP4.
Is it a license reason ?

Regards, Harti.

[hartiberlin]

Hi All,
I tried to record some footage on Christmas evening with low
light condition and all I can say, the camera application is just
bloody awfull !

When will we finally have a better camera application ?

What is the contact address of the camera software developper ?
How can he release such a bad piece of software ?


I am willing to pay 30 Euros for a better camera software,
where one can control all things much better and would have a better
lighting control and better low light amplification and less noise and better
framerate.

With the right software and overclocking it should be possible
to have at least 320x240 at 25 frames/sec in MPEG1 or MPEG4 or simular
codecs.

Also there is a nice piece of software for conversion at:
http://mp4cam2avi.sourceforge.net/

With it one can convert the MP4 container to AVI without recompression
of the vido files in it.

The only thing which did not work for me is the audio conversion
as this tool did not recognize the AMR sound codec.

Maybe somone can port the sources of this program directly to the pocket PC so it runs on the WM2003SE and so one could already convert the
video directly on the Pocket PC ?
The sources are located here:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=123082


Or is there already any other software, that can convert an MP4 video
to MPEG-4 AVI on the Pocket PC ?

Many thanks and Merry Christmas.

Regards, Harti.

[Kurwa]

Hello I have found a new Camera Build: camera_v2.70 build 20677. however, don't know the difference is, haven't tryed it. Anyway, I attached here. Good Luck.My version is 21026...
(from T-Mobile ROM 1.13).

Hello,


is ist possible to make this version run on my MDAII/XDAII?

[joehorn]

I tried to record some footage on Christmas evening with low
light condition and all I can say, the camera application is just
bloody awfull !

When will we finally have a better camera application ?

What is the contact address of the camera software developper ?
How can he release such a bad piece of software ?


I am willing to pay 30 Euros for a better camera software,
where one can control all things much better and would have a better
lighting control and better low light amplification and less noise and better
framerate.

With the right software and overclocking it should be possible
to have at least 320x240 at 25 frames/sec in MPEG1 or MPEG4 or simular
codecs.

Hi hartiberlin,
the camera is bloody awfull !
And software is not a panacea! If the camera hardware is bad (and it is really bad) the software can't hide that. The photosensitivity of the camera is to low for low light conditions, the noise of the sensor to high for more amplification. And if you increase the framerate, you give the sensor less time to collect light and the signal to noise ratio will decrease more. And you need more power to compress the video so you have less time left for the software to suppress the noise as far as software can do that. So the low framerate is a compromise between speed and quality enforced by the low quality of the camera and the limited power of the signal processing hardware (controller). Yes, you can overclocking the System but that increases the speed at most round about 20 percent and you like to increase the framerate more than twice! And I'm afraid you can't increase the speed of the camera...
So I don't belive that there is a way to improve considerably the quality and speed only with better software.

Joe

[shivam]

thanks worked great

[Ultimate Chicken]

Programatix:

I'm running a Playstation emulator (!!!) on my O2 Xda and I have to say you could be right. XCpuScalar actually reduced my framerates by up to about 10. My slowest rate was 25 without, 19 with, no matter how much I overclock.

Tho I suspect it might also have something to do with WM2003 insisting I put the RAM slider Where It Wants It and giving me only 19MB of RAM. I have more than 32MB RAM to spare, that's for sure...

[adriankhoo153]

after installation it still shows version 2.7 (Build 18387)..How come? It supose to be Build 2.6... :(

Edited: Done now...Latest version i assume..Build 20677. But no diff..Still the same old lausy camera..haha

[adriankhoo153]

i found out that i can't open Album after i install camera_v2.70_buil_20677. It jes prompt that the program is not installed. How ah??

[Asim]

Thanks,
does this new version support more than 10 frames/sec
in 320x240 resolution mode ?

Howdo I install CAB files ?
Please give me an URL , where it is explained, how I can
install CAB fileson the pocket PC, thanks.

Regards, Harti.

I have installed this file. But my device Today Screen is not working properly.? it does not show Today screen.

Plz help..

[hartiberlin]

Is there now any better camera application available ??

[pietrucci]

Is there now any better camera application available ??Yes there is! It's called Coolcamera.

[oltp]

From Atek @ http://www.ateksoft.com/index.html , but it ain't cool :cry: it's HOT :-)

[cx]

Has anbody tried if this Camera upgrade 21026 WORK on the Alpine as I see it has the same program for Camera.

[cx]

anybody.......bump...bump...

Has anbody tried if this Camera upgrade 21026 WORK on the Alpine as I see it has the same program for Camera.

[oltp]

CR why are pushing this? We've given the url & they got a compatability list http://www.ateksoft.com/features.html#sup which states the Alpine is supported!

Happy now?

[excogitation]

Did anybody ever try to replace the camera icons with nicer ones?
(saw them somewhere in \windows)

Is there a possibility to bind Resco Photo Viewer to the Camera?

[JamesManios]

Is there a possibility to bind Resco Photo Viewer to the Camera?

Well, kinda...

You can't bind to another program easily because the camera app actually has album.exe in the executable. But I did the following...

I used camera 2.70 build 21026 and found album.exe text inside, (in hex) and changed it to albun.exe. I then created an app in \windows called albun.exe and all it does is shell Resco. So I then changed the shortcut/hardware button for camera to this new camera and that was it...

And it works.. but its not the easiest thing...

[VikluhaVaklay]

I consider that's software problem. For example: explain me why Nokia N93 can record video 640x480 25 frames per sec? Although it has the CPU about 200 MHz but with the good optical camera's characteristics.

[VikluhaVaklay]

The wanted resolution of the videorecording is 320 x 240, it's about 76800 pixels. One pixel takes 2 bytes of RAM without compressing. That means one frame takes about 150 kb of RAM. Wanted timeframe is 25 f/s, it's about 3.6 mb per sec! It's realy to write into flashcard, thats why I think that company makes software limit specially in order to make more money on models which except much minuses but have others...

[VikluhaVaklay]

CMOS matrix allows to read the information from each pixel individually. Thats why it is possible to record non-standard video, but WHO CAN WRITE SO DIFFICULT PROGRAMS FOR CAMERA?

[VikluhaVaklay]

I'm sure I made some mistakes writing these posts, I'm sorry... ;)

[VikluhaVaklay]

People! I found that! I found the program that allows to record video much more then 240 x 320! With this program it is possible to make video 1024 x 768 with sound, but one or two frames per sec! 320 x 240 about 24 f/s! 640x480 about 13 f/s! But This program has many mistakes and it is shereware. Recordin limit is 5 sec. Its price is about 20 dollars...

[VikluhaVaklay]

I try to upload it later. Sorry

[proud2bme]

Hey guys, i found this prog, can u plz try it and report.It is found on the following link, i tried it and looks promising

http://www.ateksoft.com/features.html

[filament]

goodmorning to the founders of coolcamera:)

[searcher12]

It`s the same with me, landscape by default & may be somthing more...

why I can't save in Storage Card???