Piel Frama launch Jasjar Case

[skearon]

See http://www.pielframa.com/promo_jasjar.htm

Only problem is that it would appear there is no belt clip

[gpsenzo68]

That's the first good case I've seen!

Looks professional and easy to use. Its a bit expensive to order it yet.

But that's the case I'm going to get for my MDA Pro

[superbowl]

The missing belt-clip makes this case useless for me .. i want one with a belt clip !!!

- Superbowl

[MBastian]

A beltclip is necessary for me, too. Without this function the standard MDA Pro case is OK with me. I think a case like the standard for the magician would be perfect for me - belt clip an quick release...

[Flubster]

looks awesome, dunno that i'd trust having the pda open and the cover shut as those storage cards in the case get a tad close to the screen for my liking!

Flubster

[tamerh]

There is not any plan at piel frama to add belt clip , i sent an e-mail to piel frama & they reply :

Regarding the belt clip, we have to inform you that due to the weight of the device and the design of the case, we cannot instal a belt clip on this new leather case. The clip would not stand the weight of the device on the belt. Besides, if we would instal a belt clip on the case, the functionality of the case would not be the intended one as the user would not be able to use the device with the belt clip on it.



We are sure that you will understand this situation and will agree that the belt clip is not a good idea for this model.



Please, do not hesitate to contact us if you need further assistance.



Very best regards and have a nice day!!

[greatestkelvin]

I just bought the Piel Frama case. The leather feels good but there is one design flaw. It has a strip of leather on top of the keyboard. With it my PDA cannot close properly. I am so afraid to damage the hinges on my new toy. If you have any ideas to modify this problem please let me know.

[greatestkelvin]

If anybody wants to buy my Piel Frama case for JASJAR please let me know. I live in Hong Kong

[Sagit]

I just bought the Piel Frama case. The leather feels good but there is one design flaw. It has a strip of leather on top of the keyboard. With it my PDA cannot close properly. I am so afraid to damage the hinges on my new toy. If you have any ideas to modify this problem please let me know.

You can cut the strip on top, near costures... I have one and no damage on JJ...

[greatestkelvin]

I am also very tempted to cut the strip of leather. But I was thinking if you do, after awhile the whole JASJAR might just fall out. Its really a pain to see such a nice case go to waste.

[exchguy]

I was going to cut the leather strip as well. It does not seem like this is really what is holding it in so there would not be much harm in cutting it so that the device could fully close.

Can someone who did this post pics and say if it makes an improvement?

[simba]

Why are you guys cutting the case? Pielframa should replace the faulty cases. In the past they have replaced cases whithout the need to send back your faulty cases. Most people buy them from outside Spain. Sending it back internationally could be a pain. In the past when they released the first batch of the ipaq iPAQ H6340 cases, these cases were also faulty (it does not fit well). They did not recall the cases, but replaced them.

By the way the Pielframa issue is also mentioned on another thread. See
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=183962#183962

[exchguy]

Maybe they've changed their policies on replacements. As you stated, I don't want to mess with a 2-3 week turnaround from sending from the USA and back to Spain.

Here is what I got from Piel Frama:
Thank you very much for your email and for your kind words about our products.

We are sorry to hear that you are having problems with the case. In fact, some of our customers have informed us that they are having some problems to close the device. Our craftsmen have been thinking about it and they have thought about a solution which would be to take the thin strap over the keyboard from the case so that the problem will be solved and the device will close without problems.

So that, we would ask you to ship the case back to us by regular mail and we would modify it the case. Our postal address is the following one:

PIEL FRAMA

Avda. Fuente San Francisco S/Nº

P. I. "LA PIEL"

11600 Ubrique (Cádiz)

Spain

Once we get it, we will make this modification in the case and we will ship it back to you.

If its a matter of just cutting out the back leather strip, I can do that myself instead of dealing with a 2-3 week turnaround not to mention the mailing costs in addition to costs that I've already paid, to mail it to them.

[simba]

It is not very customer friendly. Pielframe cases are certainly not cheap. A standard (i.e. not crocodile or ostrich) Jasjar case cost at least 70 euro's about 87 $. So we should expect good quality and good working cases. If a case is faulty which could damage the jasjar / MDA Pro then they are liable for that. So having customers to spend more money (time and shipping cost) to have it fix does not really make sense.

[BillB]

My Piel Frama case just arrived this morning (ordered on 2 Nov.). I was excitied because my normally they have great products. The leather is nice, but I have to report the problem mentioned above is worse than I imagined.

With my case, the leather strap across the top of the keyboard prevents the screen from closing by about 8mm!

I can not even snap-close the case because the screen sticks up so high --even if I apply pressure.

So, my case is completely unusable. I wonder if they had real Universal units during the design process, or if they just worked form published specs.

Back to Piel Frama.

[Sagit]

I was visiting Piel Frama Factory. They have an I-Mate JASJAS to probe the cases. I have a cocodrile leather case and my JASJAR close well. You can see my blog (click in my firm or www) ... and will see, in last picture, the Piel Frama's JasJar.

Have Fun

[greatestkelvin]

my word of advice is don't use the case unless you do something about it. after 2 days of using my piel frama case I removed it and notice that the hinge is quite loose. previously the joints were tight, right now when I move the screen portion there is a clicking sound and it is coming from the joints. piel frama case has damaged my toy instead of protecting it. I just cut away the top portion leather that is above the keyboard. I don't care about sending it back, anyway what can they do when the design itself is flawed.

[exchguy]

I did expect a little more than just "send the case back to us", but I guess that is the way customer service has gotten these days. Fortunately, I purchased my case from a reseller in the US and only paid $54 but still expected better from Piel Frama.

This bad press isn't going to be helping them sell many cases, because most of us hear about these things through forums such as this one.

Does cutting away the back leather strap appear to make a difference when closing the Universal now? I'm ready to start hacking mine! :)

[greatestkelvin]

yes , cutting it off does help quite bit, its much better now. however it will not completely close because there are still 2 more pieces of leather at the side. what I did was that I used a clamp for about 15 mins both sides. it looks ok much better than before. a few guys on this forum has also done so. afterall the machin is more precious than the case

[cool_case]

yes , cutting it off does help quite bit, its much better now. however it will not completely close because there are still 2 more pieces of leather at the side. what I did was that I used a clamp for about 15 mins both sides. it looks ok much better than before. a few guys on this forum has also done so. afterall the machin is more precious than the caseHmm ... cutting the back stip off lowers the lid just a little. Cosmetically, the appearance is nicer with the strap. There's still some pressure on the back hinge when you snap the case closed. But, it looks to me like the top lid of the jj is flexing a little and like closing the lid is depressing the remaining leather on the sides that's causing problems. This pressure on the lid bothers me, but I'm not sure it will damage the hinge on my jj. I'm going to think about this more before deciding whether to return it to Frama.

I had, and still have, a slight clicking sound when closing the lid. This clicking sound isn't there at all if I pull the lid closed from the right side. But, it is there if I pull the lid closed from the left side. The swivel mechanism is rotated slightly counterclockwise and that is why right vs. left side pulling down of the lid causes no clicking vs. clicking.

This is not to say that the Frama case couldn't cause hinge problems for some. I don't think it would for me ... but I'm reluctant to snap the case shut now until I investigate further.

[cool_case]

Just wrote an email to the Managing Director of Piel Frama about this issue. I've noted that removing the back strap doesn't resolve the case closing / hinge-pressure problem. I'll post any response I receive.

8) 8)

[exchguy]

Let us know what you find out. The person I have been talking to at Piel Frama send me a picture of the updated Jasjar case where it has been modified by their craftsmen.

[BillB]

Thanks for the picture. This is what Piel Frama offered to do for me if I send the case back. I am in Madrid, so it is no problem to return it.

However, as others have noted, I am not sure this will solve the problem. The leather at the sides still pushes the screen up. Also the case top and snap strap fit so tightly that I think I would still have to put a lot of unwanted pressure on the JasJar.

I will return it tomorrow, and wait & see how it comes back to me.

[exchguy]

It definately seems (even after removing the rear leather strap) that the thickness of leather on the sides is still causing the Jasjar not to close all of the way. The leather along the sides needs to either be thinner or needs to be more form fitting so that the top of the screen does not meet the thick leather pieces causing it not to be able to close. This may be hard to do with leather, the only real way is possibly the clear plastic material as a cover for the keyboard.

I am waiting to see what others find as a solution before figuring out what to do.

[Splatt!]

I received a reply from them today:
"Thank you very much for contacting us.

We are sorry to hear that you are having problems with the case. In fact, some of our customers have informed us that they are having some problems to close the device.

At the moment, our craftsmen and designers are working to improve the design of these cases so that the device can be closed. They are working hard to get an improved design as soon as possible but it will take some days for them to get the new cases finished. Anyway, we have taken note of your address again and as soon as we have some of the new repaired cases, we will ship one of them to you.

There is no need for you to send the other case back, you can keep it for yourself so that you will have a case to protect your case in the meanwhile."

That rates as good customer service to me!

[cyberwiz]

damm i love this case but without belt clip... i cant use it...

gosh wish they would add belt clip and use magnet instead of the current stye of closing the case...

hehe

[greatestkelvin]

its stange I sent an email to piel frama and they did not reply to me. I saw from your reply that O2 replied to you but I bought my case from DOML. I will send them an email today

[Sagit]

Piel Frama send me an e-mail reporting imortants mofidications about HTC Universal Leather Cases.

The production will be out over a week. When they have it, will send me a new case for my Blog Revision.

Now the HTC Universal, close without force it.

I'll notice the review when my new case arrive.

I also talked whit manager this morning and they are very ungry for this succeed. "Is the fist time that we fault in a PDA's Desing... Our case are full made hand, so, some leather pieces are more fine that anothers and have no problems to close... And we cannot prevent the leather density... So, we redesing the cases, now is like a glove and will close perfectly without forcing mecanism"

In some days I will report news.

Have fun.

[exchguy]

I have gotten the same from my communications with Piel Frama. Let me also say that after talking with their Export Manager for several days regarding the case, Piel Frama is going to ship me their revised case design when they finish it. I have to say that their customer service is really good and they obviously stand by their products. And they should be commended for admitting that there was a problem with their design and providing those of who have already purchased the case a workable solution for getting a case that works.

Here is the email that I received from them:
In fact, our craftsmen and designers are working to improve the design of these cases by putting a plastic over the keyboard so that the device can be closed without problems. They are working hard to get an improved design as soon as possible but it will take some days for them to get the new cases finished.

As soon as we have some of the new repaired cases, we will ship one of them to you. Please, let us know your delivery address where we should the case and the color of your case so that we can ship the case to you.

Regarding the one that you have, you can keep it for yourself and there will be no need for you to send it back to us when you receive the new one, do not worry about it.

Looking forward to hearing from you about the delivery address and the color of the case.

Very best regards.
Angélica Menacho
Export Department

[BillB]

I sent mine back (I am in Spain, and the case was useless to me as it was), and I recieved basically the same e-mail as above --that they are going to revise the design with plastic which will allow the screen to close.

I am looking forward to to receiving it, and I will post first impression when I receive it.

[cool_case]

I have gotten the same from my communications with Piel Frama. Let me also say that after talking with their Export Manager for several days regarding the case, Piel Frama is going to ship me their revised case design when they finish it. I have to say that their customer service is really good and they obviously stand by their products. And they should be commended for admitting that there was a problem with their design and providing those of who have already purchased the case a workable solution for getting a case that works.

Here is the email that I received from them:
In fact, our craftsmen and designers are working to improve the design of these cases by putting a plastic over the keyboard so that the device can be closed without problems. They are working hard to get an improved design as soon as possible but it will take some days for them to get the new cases finished.

As soon as we have some of the new repaired cases, we will ship one of them to you. Please, let us know your delivery address where we should the case and the color of your case so that we can ship the case to you.

Regarding the one that you have, you can keep it for yourself and there will be no need for you to send it back to us when you receive the new one, do not worry about it.

Looking forward to hearing from you about the delivery address and the color of the case.

Very best regards.
Angélica Menacho
Export DepartmentI received a reply to my email like this too saying that they'd be sending me a new case - at no cost to me - with clear plastic over the keyboard and the closing problem resolved.

That's excellent customer service, I'd say.

[galt]

Does anyone know when/if Cases.com (http://www.cases.com/xdaexec.htm) will have stock of the redesigned Piel Frama case? I'd love to order one.

[Sagit]

Does anyone know when/if Cases.com (http://www.cases.com/xdaexec.htm) will have stock of the redesigned Piel Frama case? I'd love to order one.

You can order directly to pielframa.com.... You could have the leather case as soon as they made it!

Have Fun.

[greatestkelvin]

I have emailed to Piel Frama but there was no reply. DOML the place I bought it from has also emaile them but there was not reply as well. It has been more than 5 days. Guess they are hoping that I forget about it. :(

[Sagit]

Piel Frama not open on weeked. Include this full saturdays and mondays. Spain is Diferent!

Have Fun.

[Splatt!]

I have gotten the same from my communications with Piel Frama. Let me also say that after talking with their Export Manager for several days regarding the case, Piel Frama is going to ship me their revised case design when they finish it. I have to say that their customer service is really good and they obviously stand by their products. And they should be commended for admitting that there was a problem with their design and providing those of who have already purchased the case a workable solution for getting a case that works.

Here is the email that I received from them:
In fact, our craftsmen and designers are working to improve the design of these cases by putting a plastic over the keyboard so that the device can be closed without problems. They are working hard to get an improved design as soon as possible but it will take some days for them to get the new cases finished.

As soon as we have some of the new repaired cases, we will ship one of them to you. Please, let us know your delivery address where we should the case and the color of your case so that we can ship the case to you.

Regarding the one that you have, you can keep it for yourself and there will be no need for you to send it back to us when you receive the new one, do not worry about it.

Looking forward to hearing from you about the delivery address and the color of the case.

Very best regards.
Angélica Menacho
Export DepartmentI received a reply to my email like this too saying that they'd be sending me a new case - at no cost to me - with clear plastic over the keyboard and the closing problem resolved.

That's excellent customer service, I'd say.

I don't want a case with plastic over the keyboard! That's why I went for this case in the first place. If I wanted tacky plastic I could have got that for a third of the price of this one!

I will email them about this now...

[alex66]

I also sent my case back ang got the same replies to my mails. Unfortunately, I think from the pictures on their site that they haven't solved the problem and that they are going to put plastic over the keyboard. On monday I will write to them telling that they are making a second mistake and that their case is not going to have success. I will also ask them not to send it back to me but return my money instead.

[916senna]

I also recieved a case that held the screen open.
However I noticed that the band that causes the problem seemed to be made of two pieces laminated together.
So I VERY CAREFULLY used a sharp blade to pry it apart and cut the bottom lamination off. It was a plastic strip with a felt like material on it.

It works really well now, the screen closes and the remaining part has worked for a week or two without causing any problems.

I really like this case now, just what I wanted and beautifully made.

Jon :D

[Sagit]

I cutted the actual leather case under SD expansion slot. The tap close better, but jasjar could be poor suject when case is open... I hope the new case desing to see if plastic is really fist quality or give a bad impression... I'd never saw a Piel Frama Leather Case with plastic pieces... :?

I don't like give premature opinions until I see the case on my hands. :wink:

Have fun.

[BillB]

Animated pictures of the new design are on their web site:

http://www.pielframa.com/imate_jasjar.htm

Looks like the plastic covers the entire keyboard. While it probably is secure, I wonder if it is makes it harder to use that keyboard, and if it is a dust trap.

Also there still is leather on the sides, so I still wonder if the screen can close enough.

I really expected the same design as before, but using plactic for the entire inside holder (the sides & the strap accross the top of keyboard) and leaving the keyboard uncovered.

I'll hold my verdict on the new design until I use the case...[/b]

[jah]

Has anyone got the new design case yet?

[universaldoc]

Even if they remove the thin strap of leather that runs across the top rows of keys, the side leather is thick enough to cause the same problem. If you notice the animated pictures on their website, you can clearly see that the flip still does not come all the way down.

Personally, i feel that the stupid plastic film will actually be a killjoy in terms of using the keyboard. I really wish there was some kinda alternative to this.

[simba]

I'd never saw a Piel Frama Leather Case with plastic pieces...

I owned a Pielframa Qtek 9090 case which has a plastic pouch. I hate it. The keyboard of the Qtek 9090 got very dirty because of dust being collected underneath the plastic.

Also using the keyboard with plastic is not really comfortable.

[Tron_Of_Borg]

Even if they remove the thin strap of leather that runs across the top rows of keys, the side leather is thick enough to cause the same problem. If you notice the animated pictures on their website, you can clearly see that the flip still does not come all the way down.

Personally, i feel that the stupid plastic film will actually be a killjoy in terms of using the keyboard. I really wish there was some kinda alternative to this.

Why not just use the stupid plastic film more sparingly? For example, if they were to cover the whole surface of the keyboard and then cut out the keyboard, this would accomplish everything. It'd be thin allowing it to close completely and the key's would not be covered and collect dirt.

My $.02 (Keep the change.)

[BillB]

Why not just use the stupid plastic film more sparingly? For example, if they were to cover the whole surface of the keyboard and then cut out the keyboard, this would accomplish everything. It'd be thin allowing it to close completely and the key's would not be covered and collect dirt.


Agreed. While I don't want to make conclusions without having the case in my hands yet, I must admit that I am not excited about this replacement case. If I don't like it, I might try to modify it to fit your description.

Also, I am still concerned that the side leather still will prevent the screen from closing sufficiently.

For now, I just have to wait.

[universaldoc]

If you notice the pictures of the new re-designed case, you will see that the flip still does not come all the way down. There is still some amount of gap left in between which means some amount of strain will be there on the hinge. Sad....

Was really hoping that there would be some kind of revolutionary yet practical case for this.

Any of you purchased the metal case? How's that coming along?

[simba]

If you notice the pictures of the new re-designed case, you will see that the flip still does not come all the way down. There is still some amount of gap left in between which means some amount of strain will be there on the hinge. Sad....

Was really hoping that there would be some kind of revolutionary yet practical case for this.

Any of you purchased the metal case? How's that coming along?

It is almost a copy of the PDAir Metal Jasjar Case. See http://www.doml.net/productdec.asp?pid=2121&model=jas_jar&modeln=i-Mate%20JASJAR

[exchguy]

Received word from Piel Frama that an updated case will be shipping to me today. I am in the USA, so will probably take about a week or longer. If anyone else receives an updated case with the plastic cover, we would be interested in hearing about how well the Exec/Jasjar closes with the updated design.

After modifying the first case, I am also concerned with the side leather and if that will also cause the same issue. One would hope that the Piel Frama craftsmen would have tested the updated design with a device to ensure that the closing issue was solid, especially since they are going to the trouble to spend money to ship us new cases. At least they make a huge effort to take care of their customers, which is very nice of them.

[BillB]

I just received the re-designed case, but I left my JasJar at home this morning, so I can not check the fit!

Some first impressions about the new design:

Yes, the plastic covers the keyboard, and it attracts dust! And finger prints/skin oil too! Already there was dust stuck to the plastic (static electricity) when I took it out of the box

The plastic is NOT membrane-thin, so it will likely affect/negate the tactile feel & feedback of the Universal's keyboard.

The leather on the side appears to have been trimmed back a bit, so maybe/hopefully it won't interefere with closing the screen.

Overall, I am not overwhelmed, because it is an expensive case that maybe is not useful, but I will write more once I finally have the JasJar and the case together.

[alex66]

...it is the new one with the so-called "improved design".
IT IS USELESS!
I am sorry but must report that the case still has the closing problem, still some amount of pressure on the hinge is necessary to fully close.
I am not going to use it for sure.
This is a great pity because PielFrama is a very good company. Their customer care service very efficient but this case is definitely a BIG MISTAKE and what makes me angry is that they don't simply want to stop and admit the error.
They will probably sell to businessmen who don't care about consequences on a company phone that is supposed to be changed once broken.
For sure, individuals should not buy.
Bye
alex

[exchguy]

I'll wait until I get mine in to see it for myself, but thats a bummer. It sounds like a problem with getting anything around the bottom of the device is an issue because there just isn't any clearance to wrap any material around the bottom. I think if it was that easy, they would have nailed it the first time.

I haven't seen anyone comment about either the Brando or Krusell cases yet to see if these cases have the same problem.

If anyone has pictures to show that the new design is not adequate either, please post them.

[BillB]

I am a littile more positive now. I just arrived home and slid my JasJar into the case. First impressions:

1. The fit (on the keyboard side of the case) is good. :)
2. Thankfully, the plastic DOES allow me to still feel the keyboard! :)
3. The screen does not close completely when in lanscape mode, but nearly completely. The side leather is still blocking it a little, but it does not seem to be a problem when closing the case. :wink:
4. The screen does close completely when in portait mode (due to the shape of the JasJar). :)
5. The top of the case & snap tongue need to stretch a little, the fit is a little tighter than I would like, but I suppose they will stretch as I use the case more. :wink:
6. I think the case will not stretch/loosen-up enough to use the SD card & credit card pouches. When I put SD card in those pouches, and then tried to close the case, there was may too much pressure on the JasJar's hinge. :(
7. I still expect the plastic to be a dust collector. :(

Overall I can say that I am reasonably satisfied, although I would like to be able to store sd cards in it, and of course, I pray that the dust stays away! Since it hand crafted with leaather, I suppose every case will be a little different. I think I got a good case, but I hope others get even better-fitting ones.

By the way, while I waited for this case to arrive, I went ahead and ordered the Aluminum PDAair case (it is about half the price I paid for the Piel Frama). I am really looking forward to trying it.

[universaldoc]

I received mine this morning. What alex666 has so eloquently mentioned is not true. The case is NOT useless. It is quite good and oodles better than the case i had received earlier. I do agree with bill on most of the things he has said.

Flip down, it closes almost 98-99%, which is fine by me. There is no more strain on the pivot as earlier it was held in partially closed position. Now, when i lift up the screen, i hear the click (sometimes which is the case without the cover too) which means that the hinge is clicking back into place.

Quality of the case as always is superb, there was never any doubt about that. Those of you who have the Jasjar/Exec/Dopod might like the black color case as it goes well with them.

I am in the process of receiving cases from Brando too, both Aluminium and leather. I will be posting a case-face off before the end of the month.

Cheers.

[BillB]

I would also echo Universaldoc's comments that the quality is very good. The JasJar looks very nice in this case --really like a luxury item, especially when the case is closed. :wink:

[universaldoc]

See some pictures here :
http://pocketpcdubai.infopop.cc/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=553609464&f=740609915&m=9251093611&r=9761096611#9761096611

More to follow. Waiting to get my hands on the brando cases so that i can have a case-off!!!

Cheers.

[exchguy]

Thanks BillB and Universaldoc for your comments. Sounds like the redesigned case is better and should provide a much better fit. I should get mine by monday.

[alex66]

Of course everybody has it's own degree of satisfaction. Mine is that a case for this superb pda must not cover the upper part of the device. It simply doesn't allow it to close properly. Universaldoc stating that it can be even heard the click, is simply ridicolous.
That's all folks.
The only way is to try to keep the device in a rest position bounding it somehow.
Bye

[universaldoc]

I am not even going to bother replying to Alex's comments. To each his own.

[alex66]

...you did!

alex

[universaldoc]

Ok, now i am replying to you. When i said "to each his own" i was referring to other members who also have different opinions but did not voice them in a childish manner like you. Enough said.

[alex66]

listen childish baby to you. The only reason you are so totally dedicated to this case is that you must be working for the company that manufacturs it.
I never talked badly about it. At the opposite, I was so strained that that company might even sell this thing. This is an excellent company with great products. Unfortunately, this case must absolutely be revised (my personal opinion, of course) if they want to keep up with the quality their customers are used to.
BUT if you say that the pda fits correctly AND that it can be naturally closed, you are not telling the truth to the people that might be interested in. You are giving a misleading information. I personally have one, it still has the same problem as the original version. It's not a matter of plastic, it's how it was conceived that cannot be sustained.
Now, what I can tell you, and here I stop the quarrel, is that you are a very stupid man, did you know that!?
Remember: you started with bad words! Not me.

[universaldoc]

OMG!!! You have confirmed that you are indeed a 5 yr old child with your rants. Perhaps, i am stupid trying to reason with you. Come back for a argument when you grow up.

Geez!!!

[universaldoc]

...it is the new one with the so-called "improved design".
IT IS USELESS!
I am sorry but must report that the case still has the closing problem, still some amount of pressure on the hinge is necessary to fully close.
I am not going to use it for sure.
This is a great pity because PielFrama is a very good company. Their customer care service very efficient but this case is definitely a BIG MISTAKE and what makes me angry is that they don't simply want to stop and admit the error.
They will probably sell to businessmen who don't care about consequences on a company phone that is supposed to be changed once broken.
For sure, individuals should not buy.
Bye
alex

[alex66]

OK I grew up enough. Here I am.
Unfortunately, on the other hand I see that you got seriously sick, indeed!
You must be suffering some kind of memory disease since you need to roll over my previous thread to have it constantly under your eyes.
Ok, take care.
bye
alex66

[BillB]

I understand these cases are hand-crafted leather, so it is easily possible to have some variations in size/shape, meaning that one case could have a better fit than another.

My case fits very well, and now that the leather is getting broken-in, I can close the case while the screen is in portrait or landscape mode --without putting pressure on the device.

In portrait mode, I can close the screen *completely*. The leather on the side does not interfere because the Universal's own casing flairs upward around the edges.

In landscape mode, the screen closes about 98%, but I see no pressure on the hinge. Unlike the previous design where the screen sat like a lever on the leather strap fulcrum, and the hinge could be pried with pressure, the new design allows the screen to sit much more evenly on the side leather, so if pressure is applied, it is not concentrated on the hinge.

By the way, after seeing how this thread has developed, I am compelled to say that I have no association to Piel Frama. Overall I am satisfied with the case, and it is very elegant-looking. However, I would fault Piel Frama for not making the case slightly bigger, so I wouldn't have to be so dependant on the leather stretching. Also, I stand by the criticism I made in an earlier post: I think the case was designed too small to be able to hold the universal plus fill the sd & credit card slots. But maybe that is just the leather & build of my case. Others may have other experiences.

I am looking forward to Universaldaoc's case comparisons (with photos please).

[universaldoc]

@Alex,

Lets just bury the hatchet mate. Difference of opinions, thats it. Although you are seriously easy to bug :D Have a drink on me ;)

@BillB,

I pretty much concur with whatever you have said. For the record, i DO NOT have any association with Piel Frama.

I am waiting for the other cases coming in from Brando, once i get them, i will be doing a complete PHOTO-review of all 3 cases.

Cheers mates.

[Urban Strata]

I am waiting for the other cases coming in from Brando, once i get them, i will be doing a complete PHOTO-review of all 3 cases.

I'll be eagerly awaiting this review!

Thanks, universaldoc.

[universaldoc]

I just received news that i will be receiving the Alu-Leather case also from Proporta! That makes it a full circle!!! Cases i will be reviewing are:

1) PF Leather case
2) Brando Metal case
3) Brando Leather case
4) Proporta Alu-Leather case

Am i missing any other cases? If i am, please let me know and i will look into it :)

Cheers.

[exchguy]

There is also the Krusell case, listed here: http://www.krusell.se/product.php?s=2&product=2095

PdAir also has their all Aluminum case and a leather case. The leather one looks very similar to the Proporta. I am not sure if they are the same. See www.pdair.com

[marcov]

tomorrow I will receive the krusell case from expansys, let's see how it will be.Now I have a XaX, very nice ,but too much width

[Sagit]

Hello:

There is a review of new Piel Frama universal leather case Natural Cowskin Ostrich in my blog (click in my sign or www).

In spanish, but Pics inside. Sorry.

Have Fun

[cyberslinger]

http://www.thepocketsolution.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=PSI-6302&Category_Code=spv_m5000_accessories&Product_Count=0

Seems ok.. anyone try it? I need a case I almost dropped my phone for the first time today. Had a mini heart attack.

Cyb :)

[LinuxGeek]

Ok everyone. What is the end conclusion, is the newer improved Piel Frama case the best case to go for ?

Exisitng users, I assume putting the UNIVERSAL with this case in your trousers (front) pocket won't damage it , yes ?

The only drawback of the Piel Frama case I can see is the lack of belt clip/loop. This can be overcome if I can put it in my pocket.

[Urban Strata]

Personally, I love the Piel Frama case (version 2.0). Short review and photos here:

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=789834

http://www.urbanstrata.com/temp/pielframa6.jpg

[DrSirLes]

i think the proporta case pisses all over it.

It has an aluminium plate embedded in the leather to protect the screen when it is left in portrait mode. And it looks good.

[LinuxGeek]

I haven't got either of the cases, but a shame the proporta one you can't answer the call without opening the case.

A quick question about the proporta one, if you use it as a wallet wouldn't your credit cards etc lean on the XDA EXEC and potentially damage it ?

Guess this question would apply to the Piel Frama too !

[universaldoc]

Proporta will most-likely be re-designing its case too, so hang on ;)

Docc.

[tenzin]

Ok everyone. What is the end conclusion, is the newer improved Piel Frama case the best case to go for ?

Exisitng users, I assume putting the UNIVERSAL with this case in your trousers (front) pocket won't damage it , yes ?

The only drawback of the Piel Frama case I can see is the lack of belt clip/loop. This can be overcome if I can put it in my pocket.

I can tell you that the Piel Frama new design is ok ! And i'm not working at all for the Piel Frama Cie ... lol ! (that's for the guy that suppose , if we find this case ok, it's just because we work for Piel :roll: )

For now, it's the best case available, since Vaja will make one .... :wink:

[BillB]

I stopped using my Piel Frama, and I went back to the original case that came with the JasJar.

Reason: I started using the Brodit Proclip to hold the JasJar in the car, and it requires that the JasJar be naked in order to slide into the clip. I finally got tired of trying to remove the JasJar from the Piel Frama case, which has a very snug fit. It is easier to remove the device from the OEM case. Otherwise, I really liked the Piel Frama.

[cuteangelika]

I've always been looking for the perfect case for my dopod but i always end up unhappy with what I bought. But not this time!

I bought the Piel Frama case and I like it! Ofcourse, I was hoping they'd have a hello kitty design but that would be in my dreams only. I just settled for the RED color.. hello kitty is red, isnt she?

hello kitty or no hello kitty, it's purrfect (no pun intended!). It may not have the strap but I dont think I'd like to let go of it anyway coz it looks really cool in my hand.. :)

I'll be posting pics soon. :)

[pipo]

Have a look to this web site

http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/cat/XDA-Exec-Cases.htm

Have fun

[cidriver]

Best quality, best service and one of the most important thing to me, hand made. Since I bouthg my Piel Frame case I was really happy, but today I'm totally happy with the service that this company provide the costumer. I received my second Universal case, (without charge) of course with the whole modification.
Once again, thanks for your artesanal work and your support.
Guys, I'm talking about Piel Frama.