Fujitsu Siemens N500 WM5 PDA *much* faster than Jasjar

[skearon]

Why! ?

See http://www.solopalmari.com/content/view/564/38/1/5/

For benchmarks

[superbowl]

Hmm,

it seems it has an integrated gps .. but NO 3G / UMTS ??? No thanks.

- Superbowl

[mackaby007]

Why! ?

See http://www.solopalmari.com/content/view/564/38/1/5/

For benchmarks

If your gonna link us to somewhere, please make sure it's in English yeah?
If you prefer the other device, that's great, go buy it and be happy. :lol:

[Carnivor]

I really wouldn't compare, but i cant find details on the Fsc LOOX N500,

but both the LOOX 720 and 420 both use Microsoft Windows Mobile 2003 for Pocket PC,

so the comparison is flawed to say the least.



PS, Fsc is short for Fujitsu Seimens, trust me i know!!!! something to do with my employment!, and no i cant get you free kit !!!

[mackaby007]

I really wouldn't compare, but i cant find details on the Fsc LOOX N500,

but both the LOOX 720 and 420 both use Microsoft Windows Mobile 2003 for Pocket PC,

so the comparison is flawed to say the least.



PS, Fsc is short for Fujitsu Seimens, trust me i know!!!! something to do with my employment!, and no i cant get you free kit !!!

Thanks for that Carnivor. Information I can read and understand. Not even WM5.0? Why did they bother to compare two devices which are totally disparate in nature? Anyway, Spb Benchmark, is it yet optimised or been re-written for WM5? If not, then another reason to discard the results!

[lt_weasel]

I felt I had to register just to say this...

The N500 is the unit being tested, not the 720 (which I have myself), or the 420. Both these devices run WM2003SE, but the 720 is due to be upgraded any time soon.
Anyway, the N500 DOES run Wm2005, which you would know if you'd have actually even looked once at the article, and thus, it IS a fair comparision.

[mackaby007]

I felt I had to register just to say this...

The N500 is the unit being tested, not the 720 (which I have myself), or the 420. Both these devices run WM2003SE, but the 720 is due to be upgraded any time soon.
Anyway, the N500 DOES run Wm2005, which you would know if you'd have actually even looked once at the article, and thus, it IS a fair comparision.

Hey weasel! If you had bothered to read the first post and clicked on the provided link, you too would have seen that it is not in English!! Furthermore, I have not and will not research a product i have no interest in!! Additionally, I only clicked on this thread because it's subject heading looked intrtriguing, but that's as far as it goes when provided links are not even in english!!

[lt_weasel]

yeah, I read the article before I even came here.
And if you claim you have no interest in the article, and so are not interested in makking ACCURATE statements, why did you bother to post, rubbishing skearon's post, and the article's findings?

[mackaby007]

weasel weasel....don't worry about it. This is about all the time I'm going to give this argument, discussion whatever you want to call it.

I'll contribute elsewhere. Bye... :lol:

[skearon]

I felt I had to register just to say this...

The N500 is the unit being tested, not the 720 (which I have myself), or the 420. Both these devices run WM2003SE, but the 720 is due to be upgraded any time soon.
Anyway, the N500 DOES run Wm2005, which you would know if you'd have actually even looked once at the article, and thus, it IS a fair comparision.

Hey weasel! If you had bothered to read the first post and clicked on the provided link, you too would have seen that it is not in English!! Furthermore, I have not and will not research a product i have no interest in!! Additionally, I only clicked on this thread because it's subject heading looked intrtriguing, but that's as far as it goes when provided links are not even in english!!

The article is from an Italian web site and there is no English link, however Google will translate it for you.

The whole point of the post was the difference in the benchmarks for two WM5 devices, not to compare the devices directly.

With so many people saying the JJ is slow, I thought it interesting to see the results from another WM5 device.

[JanetPanic]

New here as well though I have been reading for about 6 months.

While I can see where a comparison of Windows Mobile 5 devices would be useful to help detemine if the JasJars performance is abberant, I do not think the N500 would be my first choice for comparison. The N500 is a QVGA device if the specs I found are correct, and that should make a significant difference in both processing time and memory used. For that matter as has been mentioned before, the SPB benchmark has not been rewritten for WM 5 yet. While SPB Benchmark works, I do not think the numbers could be considered reliable given the large variations in hardware.

QVGA vs VGA, No Phone capability on the Loox (?) thus no need to task for handling phone/messaging functions, no Wifi, No Bluetooth, and so on. The JasJar has a great deal of things it is doing, and if iMate followed their previous models they added additional software to bog it down a bit more.

I am not arguing either way on the comparison of speed. My point is that the two models may be using the same OS, but the purpose and needed subsystems for the two units are very different. So comparing the two is flawed unless you want comparison as a buyer who needs a QVGA PDA with other features desired but optional.

[MBastian]

To compare performance you don't have to sum up other functionalities like UMTS... thats my opinion.

I use the Universal about evey 10 minuts a day.

The device is the best PocketPC I ever had - but I also was hoping for a better performance.

[JanetPanic]

To compare performance you don't have to sum up other functionalities like UMTS... thats my opinion.

I use the Universal about evey 10 minuts a day.

The device is the best PocketPC I ever had - but I also was hoping for a better performance.

I apologize, I guess I was not clear. I was not trying to argue the functions but the fact that the functions use some CPU/Memory, and thus are an influencing factor on performance. It does seem that at least some people need to "tweak" the JJ to get good performance out of it, but most seem happy.

Since the US does not have UMTS I am planning on replacing my PDA2K with a K-Jam but would have had a much tougher debate if UMTS were available.

[mosesJJ]

Al though mackaby007 reply seemed a bit harsh to you but he is right as Carnivor stated that the comparision is flawed in the first place. 8)

Additionally, JanetPanic also right because pda/phones have alot more handles which are running in the backgound either when seem idle or even without inserting a SIM card.

Which lead to this conclusion:
Whoever wrote this article or did the research does not have the suffeciant technical background to distinguish between these two devices other than loading & running SPB Bechmark thus embaracing himself , which lead to another conclusion, it was paid for either directly or indirectly by Fujitsu Siemens. :twisted: go figure .


Just my 2cents here

[sub69]

My turn...

The fact that the cpu speed of the Universal came out quicker, but specific processes came out slower obviously suggests that the JasJar CPU is being used for a lot more processes.

So not really a very good comaprison to make then?

[Carnivor]

its like saying my goat is better than your pig. sure.... the both got 4 legs, 2 eyes, 3 ears, a tail. etc etc. but theyre different!!!!!


anyway, my goat is better!!!!! pfft :)

[mosesJJ]

its like saying my goat is better than your pig. sure.... the both got 4 legs, 2 eyes, 3 ears, a tail. etc etc. but theyre different!!!!!


anyway, my goat is better!!!!! pfft :)


Excuseme, mine has 2 ears :?: :!: :lol:

[Carnivor]

OMFG. how embarassing. what a place to typo

[HPJ]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

hehehe never laughed so much on this forum! well worth wasting 10 mins for, cheers guys!

BTW don't ask my opinion....I got my exec 3 days ago and still haven't even worked out how to turn it on (joke) :!:

HPJ