Will a 6 in 1 supersim work in Wizard?

[slewis1972]

Hi,

Was looking at the twin sim option but seem the same seller on ebay is offering this:-

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Universal-6-Number-in-1-Sim-Card-for-GSM-Mobile-Phone_W0QQitemZ5836681504QQcategoryZ67966QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem

Universal 6 Number in 1 Sim Card for GSM Mobile Phone

Looks like it could stop having the bulge on rear of phone that the twin sim causes.

Any comments on whether it may work?

Scott

[chiark]

That looks neat - however, I have been told that this sort of thing won't work on UK SIMS due to the encryption standard we use (or something like that - sorry to be vague)

I've emailed the seller to ask him if it'll work with UK sims, and will let you know. If it does, I'll try one in the T-Mobile Vario (Wizard).

[saldous]

It is a UK seller so I guess it will work on UK SIMs.

[slewis1972]

Just got an email from the seller saying:-

The software is only standard STK menu


So - I doubt there is software for Windows Mobile device but I would loved to be proved wrong

Scott

[chiark]

yes, you'd think so wouldn't you...

From googling around, it appears that all supersims have a restriction that they only work with V1 and V1+ SIM cards. Not V2...

...and apparently all recent UK sims are "V2". I'm afraid I'm just passing on info from this forum, and have no way of checking what sims are v1 or v2. If someone will let me know how to check, I will do for o2 and t-mobile sims that I have :D

[vijay555]

slewis1972: be very careful. As indicated, 6in1 are sim copiers, that require cracking the encryption on the sim before they can host the copy.

If this cracking doesn't work, it's destructive AFAIK. So, you'll be left without a sim. They work only on older Cellnet era sims (in the UK) and ok in some foreign countries.

I've posted on a £4 sim cut dual sim from ebay. Works well on Magician.

Hope that helps.

V

[sirox]

STK menu means SIM Toolkit. STK is a way for SIM cards to have their own menu with special functions on mobile phones.
This is not used much by UK operators, but it is very used elsewhere. You simply get an additional menu in your mobile phone.
This is also supported by Jams and Wizards of course, as it is a standard feature of SIM cards. One of my SIM cards have a STK menu, and it appears perfectly on the Wizard (and previously on Jam).

The problem is whether the PC software will be able to copy the data residing in our SIM cards, whether UK or non-UK. In theory, if our mobile phone can read this data, then why shouldn't this kit be able to do it.

We need more answers from the vendor. It might actually work.

[chiark]

A bit more research: there's no current sim copiers that can "crack" the encryption on a V2 SIM, although sim max are apparently working on it.

Every card in the last 2 years - possibly longer - has been a v2 card.

again, I'd love to be wrong as I'd love this to work, but I think it's sorta doomed :(

[sirox]

Thanks for your research.
I am waiting for an answer from the vendor, but I have also sent emails to one of his previous customers. There are also guys in the UK among his previous customers.
In any case, I do not get the argument related to encryption. Any mobile phone can read the data on any SIM, as long as you give it the correct PIN number. The encryption might be an issue if someone tries to crack the SIM without knowing the PIN code, but in this case, we all know the PIN codes of our SIMs, so why shouldn't this device be able to read the content of our SIM cards...
Anyway, let's see what the vendor will reply. He is got excellent eBay feedback by the way, and many have bought this 6 in 1 super SIM...

[vijay555]

Sirox, I suggest you do some detailed reading on this before you risk a SIM on it. There's a great difference between getting the sim PIN and this procedure. This requires you to crack the encryption of the SIM itself and clone it, and then emulate it back from the clone card.

This is not something most Operators like (although some operators will provide you with a second sim to use simultaneously if you ask).
v1 cards had a weak encryption.
v2 cards (current) are hard, if not impossible to crack, AFAIK.

http://www.gsm-talk.com/t227735p1-please-help-cloning-uk-sim.htm

From http://ucables.com/ref/SIM-SCAN
some cards can be destroyed using this function!!! especially prepaid cards!!! because they have limited running of a38 from 10000 to 65536 times and after that a38 do not work anymore!!!

V

[sirox]

Hi Vijay,
Thanks for your info.

The vendor has replied to me saying that this product supports V1 and some V2 type SIM cards, about 98% of SIM cards around. And you have to note that UK GSM providers have never been particularly up for high technology, compared for example to Italian GSM providers who use much more advanced SIM cards, with lots of menus, and 128K, etc.
What I have done, I have written messages to 6 UK-based people who have bought this stuff on eBay (all with positive feedback), asking them to report back how it works and which GSM providers they use. I believe this is the best way of solving the issue.

In any case, I am not at all interested in cloning my SIM card per se, as this would be easily done by asking the operator for a duplicate for car usage. I am only interested in having my 2-3 SIM cards (of different countries) in one, without needing to swap them.

I will report here when I receive answers from those previous customers.

[Asmoviv]

Maybe this can help you ...
Explain how to distinguish V1 from V2 SIM card ...

http://www.nowgsm.com/supersim.htm

16 in 1 SIM

Take care about the NOTE : Work near 100% on V1 card but incompatible with V2 ...

Regards

Asmo

[sirox]

Thanks for the info and the link!
The product mentioned in your link seems to have different specs from the one that originated this thread, as this one declares that it can read some V2 cards too.
By the way, the indication in the note might be useful. It says that if the SIM supports more than 250 numbers it may not be compatible. As a matter of fact, my Vodafone UK (contract) SIM card has only 200 slots, so it might be COMP128V1, therefore compatible.
As I said earlier, UK operators do not tend to use latest technology. In Italy for example, GSM operators made big marketing campaigns a couple of year ago for the new 64K SIM cards. Now they are doing it with the 128K SIM cards, while in the UK I think they are all still 16K or 32K. And they do not use the SIM Toolkit features.

By the way, a couple of eBay customers have already replied that they haven't received the stuff yet, but will let me know when they receive it.