Would like to upgrade ROM but . . .

[Ruud Westerhout]

Hi all,

let me start telling that reading through this frum gives me the feeling that this is a very nice place for information around htc-devices and I thank both creators and users of this site for such a good information-base.

Reading here convinces me that I am able to fulfill my wish to change the language of my VPA-IV (HTC Universal).
I am a Dutch person working in Russia. As I was living in Germany I optained the device there, hence the German language.
For me personally all computer stuff should be English, so I'd also like this device to be so. The fact that the keyboard is German does not disturb me too much.
As a Vodafone user, who has other provider cards as well, I immediately bought the unlock code, so the device is working with other GSM cards as well.
When I asked Vodafone (before I bought the device) if I could switch to English I was told that I should buy myself another Windows Software and they were not able to provide me with it. They were not able to provide any help, nor software for this purpose though.

When reading around the site here (as well as the ftp) I understood that Windows is not provided now. So my first question would be :
-Am I really set to go if I have downloaded the following files :
Jasjar_WWW_11353_137_10301.zip
MaUpgradeUt_noID.zip
Universal_Radio_Only_UPgrade_1.04.02.zip
Or do I need something more ?

Further I read about extracting the .exe file (f.e. Jasjar_WWW_11353_137_10301.exe) and put some files from there at certain places. I have WinRar but this program does not recognize the .exe file. Can I really extract files from this .exe ? How do I do this.

A lot of talking is here about a bootloader. If the device is in this stage, can I still access it ? (f.e. like seeing a harddrive in my PC's Windows Explorer or something the like)
As I will be stressed like hell (who does not, when he does this first time) when I see the bootloader screen, is there something I SHOULD or should NOT do to make sure all will be OK ?

Last but certainly not least I feel very eager to backup before I do this. Is there a posibility to backup my ROM in some way, save the files on some place for eventual return to the ROM and ExtRom I have now ?
I tried the Program TotalCommander. If I enter the Extended_Rom in the "directory" field of this program I see all files included in the Extended_Rom, same if I enter simply "Rom". Is a backup simply copying these files to my PC or is there more to be done ?

thanks for answering in advance,

Ruud

[bepe]

Hi,

I'm searching a german ROM...
if you have a little of your time to spend on it, i would be very thankful.

but first:
- about extracting the .exe files: Run WinRAR -> Menue: Open file... -> change 'All archives' to 'All files'
- about ROMs: Jasjar_WWW_11353_137_10301.zip is the only rom I would update, not the Radio.
- about bootloader: In this state you can't access your device (only updating the ROM)
- about backup: It is not easy. (How to d2s (dump) the ROM (http://buzzdev.net/index.php?option=com_simpleboard&Itemid=59&func=view&id=8573&catid=33)) but I think Vodafone will shortly relase a update. So it will be possible to restor the device.

How to help me out:
- you will need a Storage Card.
- Download TestWM5.rar (http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=29793)

1. Extract TestWM5.exe from TestWM5.rar and place it to you device.
2. At the device, use File Explorer to execute the TestWM5.exe
3. Click "button1" to start the dump process, the file will then be save to \Storage Card\Dump\
4. Copy the Dump folder out and then RAR or Zip it

This will include all files in your windows dictionary -> this is what i need

[Ruud Westerhout]

Hi bepe,

do not know if You are still available (or again). First your issue.
I logon to FTP from XDA-developers as to upload.
In the upload directory there is only a HTC-Wizard directory, not a wizard. Is this directory the one to place your file on ?

Is there a rule how to name the file ?

I will be dumping in a minute, can upload as soon as I have your answer.

Ruud

[Ruud Westerhout]

Hi bepe,

further to your issue.

1) I do understand that no private information is copied ? or should I do a hard reset before I dump for You ?

2) Whilst running your testwm5.exe from the root-directory of the storage-card I am being asked to agree your program access. This is normal, I allow. But why are there additional programs being opened I never heard about ? I denied them access and let the program run further !
After a lot of files running through the screen (very fast) it looks like the program stopped or finished. Now which file has been created for You ?
Explorer on the Universal does not show it, through my PC I looked as well, but do not see any big file, please explain.

Ruud

[Ruud Westerhout]

Hi Bepe,

one more reply to You :

Even if I allow the file mentioned to run (during the time your program is running), I am being asked again and again if I allow it again. The name is GAC_System.Data_v1_0_5000_0_cneutral_1.dll
Even if allow access all of the occasions I being asked, no file is being created on my storage-card, nothing to dump to You. Not even the dump directory is made.
What do I do wrong here ?

To my issue :
First I noticed that the radio update is available here only as 1.04.02
My system tells me I have 1.04.10 delivered from origin. If I do a ROM-upgrade, do I loose my "radio", or will it not be touched ?
Connected to this, can I dump my "radio"-files seperately ?

WinRAR. Issue solved !

Backup : I was at the buzzdev.net link before. But I actually do not even understand where I can get or see the task32 language he dumped on his screen. And I understand that I will not be able to restore it without help anyway. So this is not really the kind of backup I want.

The information about Vodafone, where does it come from ? when is something expected ?

Ruud

[Ruud Westerhout]

I am getting nearer to make that final step ;-)

My Winrar was too old, I could unzip the .zip file to a .exex, but I could not unzip the .exe file further. Just downloaded the latest Winrar, now I can see all files included in the provided .exe file.

1) I understood that I should delete the original upgrade-file called ROMUpgradeUt.exe.
2) When I start the MaUpgradeUt_noID.exe in a seperate directory with the rest of the files from the .exe I get to see a different HTC device. When I continue, it will not recognize any of the versions from my Universal. I felt unconfortable to continue.

Can it be done without a problem ??

2a) I renamed the ms_.nbf AND radio_.nbf and restart the Utility, it still shows a photo of the wrong device, but it now does recognize the versions of Device CD image version : 1.13.56 Device Extended image version : 1.13.163 and Device Radio image version : 1.04.10
It confirms to change to CD image version 1.13.53 and leaves the extended image version : "empty" as well as the Radio image version : "empty"
Does this mean that by taking away the ms_.nbf and radio_.nbf files I can stop the device from upgrading the extended rom and the radio ?
Why I ask ? Because if I renamed ms_.nbf back and ONLY radio_.nbf is unavailable now, it shows to change the Extended Rom too, but the Radio image is still empty.
Finally if I rename ALL back, it shows to change all, but all version numbers are older once ;-(

Main question here is, can I leave radio_.nbf away, upgrade and hope for radio to be my version 1.04.10 ?

Ruud

[bepe]

Hi,

I'm back.
I'll PM you Upload information...

[bepe]

private information are not copied.
Only if you have saved private information in your /windows/ folder!

i have never being asked to agree for program access :?
...but I started it of the root-directory of my device.

what is the name of your 'Storage Card' folder?

[bepe]

I not realy have the info from Vodafone, but for all devices before there have been more than one update. But I can't tell when the first update is expected.

If you are trying to make a backup: you will need a terminal program (http://wiki.xda-developers.com/uploads/mtty.exe)

[Ruud Westerhout]

So I have a complete "new" device now.
Did a hard-reset, after which I did not give any new information to the device.
I placed the .exe file You gave me in the \windows\startmenue before, after which it is asking tonloads of access requests.
Now I replaced it in the root-directorym Yes, no additional questions asked anymore, perfect, well NO. As there is no directory made on the storage card. I tried it once with the async active and once with the device seperate. No result.
Any ideas ?

[bepe]

what is the name of your 'Storage Card' folder in your root?

[Ruud Westerhout]

As the device is German, it is called "Speicherkarte"
and renaming is not possible (allowed)

[bepe]

OK this is the problem, I'm trying to get the Source code to change that.

[bepe]

found something: this tool will change the folder name from different languages to "Storage card" which is often needed for different tools (http://forum.xda-developers.com/download.php?id=7000)

[Ruud Westerhout]

Understood.

About my question, as I am still nervously waiting (cannot start the upgrade before You got your data, can I ;-)

Did I understand correctly, that the file MaUpgradeUt_noID.exe is made for different devices from HTC and therefore I do not get a photo of the universal when I start the software ?
If I start the JASJAR_WWE_11353_137_10301.exe I DO get to see the Universal, but of course get the country error.

Did I also correctly understood I can take away the radio_.nbf from the directory and the update will handle both ROM and ExtROM but leave the Radio untouched ?

Will I be entering this "bootloader" status at all, as I do not need any further updates then ? Are there any resets after the upgrade which I SHOULD or SHOULD NOT make to get the device working again ?

Ruud

[Ruud Westerhout]

Hi bebe,

storage.cab works (be it only after a soft-reset)
The program testwm5.exe is much slower now, so the result is taking minutes now (if not tens of).
Looks like the perfect speed of the program while the storage card (at least for his eyes) was absent, was due to "saving into space" :)

Will upload asap.

Ruud

[bepe]

I'm loading JASJAR_WWE_11353_137_10301.exe its at 60%

MaUpgradeUt_noID.exe is a hacked version, of another device.
So the photo should not be important. (Please wait until i have downladed the file, I'm not realy sure jet...)

[Ruud Westerhout]

OK, I have to wait anyway, because TestWM5 is very slow now, I can see file after file and calmly read it. Before it was running before my eyes. I am afraid this is going to take ages.

We are on the same frequency that the dump I am making is from a device WITH Extended Rom installed. I was NOT soft-resetting during installation, so all Vodafone add-ons, are to be there now.
If You need the one without ExtRom as well, please tell me.

The upload works OK, I prepared a directory there, but uploading is to be done after longer waiting time.

Are You afraid the JASJAR file is not good ? I downloaded it because this one was proposed on this forum.

Ruud

[bepe]

Its not about the ROM its about the MaUpgradeUt_noID.exe I'm not sure if ths is the exe file to update a Universal.

I dont have a Universal only a Himalaya and my up UpgradeUt starts with HimUpgradeUt... .

Was this file mentioned in the readme of the JASJAR exe?

my download is very slow... 70%

[Ruud Westerhout]

I only downloaded MaUpgradeUt_noID.exe because it was proposed here (for the Universal).

I have no Readme.txt inside the exe

EnterBL.exe
GetDeviceData.exe
ms_.nbf
nk.nbf
radio_.nbf
RUU.conf
RUU.dll
UI.dll

Well and of course the original upgrade file ROMUpgadeUt.exe, but I was suppose to delete it.

Only file which I can read is RUU.conf :
[PLATFORM]=857873
[RADIO_TYPE]=2
[SECURITY_FLAG]=1
[DECODER_KEY]=1
[RADIO_FLAG]=2
[GETADDR_TYPE]=1
[JUMPCODE_TYPE]=1
[FORMAT_TYPE]=2
[SCREEN_TYPE]=2

OK, TestWM5 is finally ready, will do compressing and uploading soon.

Ruud

[bepe]

OK found it: HOWTO Universal (http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=29354&highlight=maupgradeutnoid+exe+universal)

Its a little bit different from updating a Himalaya, but it should work.

Sorry but I have to go, I'm back in 1 hour.

[Ruud Westerhout]

Some strange situation with the site I am uploading to.
I made the .rar divide into parts of 10.000.000 size. So I got 4 files.
After uploading they were all only 2,39 MByte big.

I took them away and will place the files in 2.000.000 size now. They will be uploaded soon.

??? Just see that he again changed the size, now he is showing me, 507 KB size for each. ???

Check them and tell me please.

[Ruud Westerhout]

Hi Bebe,

OK, I did two dumps.
One with the Extended ROM from Vodafone, one without it.

I uploaded both. The web-interface of your provider shows some strange file-sizes, but if I download back I get the normal file, so all should be OK.

Your problem solved ?

I ask this, as I am going to try the upgrade soon.

Ruud

[bepe]

I'm back

Great thanks!!

It should be easy to get a ROM update from the vendor instead of a backup READ THIS (http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=35670&highlight=)

[Ruud Westerhout]

And I am sweating, upgrade did not work, got bootloader and am upgrading radio now.

REALLY SWEATING

[Ruud Westerhout]

Not good, not good.

I tried to upgrade :
Placed all files from the new ROM in one directory, deleted the Upgrad Utility delivered, added the patched Utility. Connected to ASync with a guest connection and run the Upgrade Utility.
After checking the device, the program confirmed the versions available and to which they are to be updated.
A few seconds after upgrade wa confirmed I got an information that the USB device is not recognized anymore.

The utility program stops with a 101 Connection Error.

The screen of the Universal has two informations, on the top is reads USB, on the bottom v1.00 (Portrait view) I guess this is the infamous bootloader.

On this USB connection it does not want to work anymore, needed another one. After a soft-reset the bootloader shows serial instead of usb.
When connected to the PC again, it changes to USB.

Running the same MaUpgradeUt_noID but with the Radio upgrade now. The device is not recognized, no version numbers avialable at all, but the radio is to be updated to 1.04.02. This actually started and took the promised 20 minutes.

After that I fulfilled the requested cold-reset and received my device back :-(( in German. Only thing changed is the Radio, now .04.02 instead of 1.04.10 before.

Sweating time seems not over yet :-(

Any ideas, anybody ?

[bepe]

Serial changes to USB is normal.
Have you renamed ms_.nbf and radio_.nbf?
Only let the nk.nbf as it is

[bepe]

There is another way:
Decode and Encode NK.nbf (http://buzzdev.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=65&Itemid=1)

You need to change the Operator and language ID.
To get the data, copy the GetDeviceData.exe to your device, run it, and search in windows for DeviceData.txt

[Ruud Westerhout]

At this moment I am in a stage that
a) a takes a lot of trying before the bootloader changes from serial to usb and the device is recognized
b) if I start the upgrade utility I receive a very long check time for the device to be recognized and after that a screen showing that it has no knowledge of the versions of each software/firmware in the device as well as of the ones to be installed.
If I still ask to continue, the result is either error 101 or 150, but not upgrading process at all.

Ruud

[bepe]

very long check time and no knowledge of the versions is normal (on a Himalaya update)

if you change the Operator and language ID you can use the original Upgrade Utility.

[Ruud Westerhout]

Even if I would like to change that, I would have to be able to return to a working mode. At this time I have only a bootloader, not allowing any upgrade, not the nk, not the radio.
As everybody was solving their problem, I am sure I will too, but it is soo damn long @#$%!$@

Ruud

[Ruud Westerhout]

As a matter of interest :
1) Should I be disconnected from the net when I do this ?
2) Should I be taking the GSM-Card out of the phone when doing this
3) If I do a hard-reset now, and being asked x-cancel 0-hard-reset, what would be the result ?
4) Are there any other reasons for the device not being recognized, or not for soo long ?

PS. I am using the internet through a router/firewall and I am not using the XP-firewall.

[bepe]

1-> it has nothing to do with the internet.
2-> I let it always In.
3->
If the device has started the Upgrad:
-Worst Case: bootloader broken
-Best: only the rom
If not started the Upgrad:
-only a german rom.

[Ruud Westerhout]

Hi bebe,

I should thank for being on-line so much and trying to support me.
Your last answer I didi not really understand.

OK, the net is not important.

I use my old laptop now to try as well :

Result the same but faster.

I can connect, no problem wih changing serial to usb (very fast)
I can open Upgrade utility, but after waiting time (about a minute) I get the same empty screen.
Difference here is that as soon as I answer I receive quickly an answer in bad english :

=============
ERROR 150 : ROM UPGRADE UTILITY ERROR

This ROM Upgrade Utility does not design for your device.
Please get proper ROM Upgrade Utility and try again!
=============

This Laptop does not have ASync 4. yet, important ?

Any ideas ?

Ruud

[Ruud Westerhout]

Hope is coming back.

Added ASync 4.1 to the Laptop, resetted the laptop and try again.

The Upgrade utility is in a directory with only nk.nbf and it recognized that the CD ROM should be upgraded. The process actually started as well.
Does this mean that at least the bootloader is OK ?

Actually the updating process finished to 100% and asked to reset, but result is again the bootloader screen.
I will try to re-upgrade the radio to 1.04.02 again.

Ruud

[Ruud Westerhout]

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Am I GLAD to finally see advertisement again.

Whoooh, rest should be easy I hope.

Thanks bebe for support.

[bepe]

so it works?
what ASynk version was installed on the other PC?

[Ruud Westerhout]

Same 4.1, there should be another reason. The connection is in some way disturbed, but I am completely unsure why.
For now I am very happy to be able to look at english words and hope to have it working stable soon. (no experience yet)

Ruud

[Ruud Westerhout]

Hi Bebe,

sorry if I was unclear before, saw only the second question.

Yes, it finally worked.
I do not know the reason but my PC was not willing to communicate normally with my device. My Laptop was.
I had to install ASync 4.1 to my laptop to get the normal result. Checking the device takes some time, but much much less than with my PC.

I installed the Jasjar ROM without problems, but had to install the Radio once more (was installed before). After this went OK as well, I could cold-reset to a running device.

As I never changed the ExtRom, it wanted to install things belonging to Vodafone, but I hard-resetted it and did a soft-reset during the 3 seconds I get before Vodafone is doing its business.

I am right now syncing contact, calendar and installing programs, but all looks OK for me. I am not a special user, so 3G will have to wait some more. The keyboard change with Resco Registry works nice, although not completely.
If a character "u" is pressed on a German keyboard and the button "Sym" immediately after I am proposed the u with double dots first (as most common used in Germany), now it needs more pressing of "sym" than before. Not a huge deal, but still.

thanks again,

Ruud