Finally U R in friendship with Universal??? :( Not me

[Tuningszocske]

Is there anybody who can't find his/her Universal veeeeryyyy veerryyyyy sloooow????
If yes, which 3rd party softwares installed?

I'm really thinking about selling it.
I really love VGA, 3G, and other things, but I feel I have 286 PC with a MacG5 hardware chances.
If I want my VGA PDA to run well, I should not install most of appications written nowadays.

I'm really really sad.

What to do?
Who is the hero who finds his toy acceptable?
And HHHHOOOOOWWWWW????

I'm not an amateur - very very not -, but I'd like to use the abilities of the Universal, but it seems, it can't give me its capabilities. I have to chose which app I want very well and which not.


HEEEEEEEELP!!!
SOMEBODYYYYY!!!! :oops: :cry:

[rottie]

As I said already in other thread, my Exec is running very fast, screen orientation change is very quick, I have no delay in answering phone calls, always over 21-22 Mb memory and it doesn't freeze at all.
I soft reset it every 4-5 days.

Applications that I have now installed (all of them in phone memory) after trying many others are:

- MohairSofa Calendar+ Today PlugIn
- Insignia Solutions JeodeRuntime
- Vijay555 VJOkButt
- Softick Card Export II
- Softatics Corporation xConverter Pro ( great software!!!!)
- Macromedia Flash Player ActiveX
- Handmark Monopoly
- Kasuei Hitchhiker
- Microsoft .NET CF 2.0
- TCPMP The Core Pocket Media Player
- PHM Registry Editor
- GreenSoftware GSFinder+

Everything is running absolutely flawless.

I have UMTS connection avaliable 95% of the times, I'm using Orange UK 3G Sim

My radio is the 1.04 version and I see absolutely no reason for update.

I had many problems before, which seemed to dissapear after a careful selection of software installed.

[Tuningszocske]

Thanx the answer.

"I had many problems before, which seemed to dissapear after a careful selection of software installed." - You wrote

Yes, you are right, but I don't want to be careful to select which software I can use.
I WANT TO USE ALL THE SOFTWARES I USED WITH MY O2 XDAIIi !!!
Why is it a big wish?
It is the same if you buy a laptop, and you can use just WindowsXP with Opera Browser, a 3rd party calculator and some ActiveX plugin.

If this device can use just these few apps without freezing or crashing and with acceptable speed, then this is just ten pence a schilling. ( :) ) (I just learned this in english)

In this case I'd rather buy a stable, fast and old Nokia phone.

[Tuningszocske]

OK. I'm trying to write what I'm using:

With the Storage:

- SBSH iLauncher 2.2
- SBSH Pocket Breeze 5
- Marsware WeatherPanel
- AlarmToday
- DKtoday
- PocketZenphone
- WisbarAdvance2
- Wisbar Desktop
- Dinarsoft HandyMenu
- Dinarsoft MemMaid
- Double Launcher
- Macromedia FlashPlayer
- Spb GPRSmonitor
- XCPUscalar
- PDAmill Topkey
- RescoExplorer
- Novosec SmartFilter
- Sunnysoft BackupManager
- PhatWare PhatPad
- Microsoft VB Runtimes for PPC
- RescoViewer


On Storage Card:

- Resco PocketRadio
- MobiMate WorldMate 2006 professional
- SKtools
- OmegaOne 1-Calc
- Astro WinCE
- PocketMusic
- Cash Organizer 05
- ListPro
- Bryht FlashPlayer
- Opera
- TomTom Navigator 5
- Aeromap VR3
- CheckNotifications
- Tweaks2k2
- PocketMechanic
- System Monitor Pro
- eWallet
- VITO MobileDownloader
- VITO SoundExplorer
- WiFiFoFum
- OutlookCleaner
- PocketEarth
- PocketWorldInfo
- SpbImageer
- XnView Pocket
- PocketArtist
.........and many more with a lot of games in 2GB SD

I know this is not a small list but I used all of these on my 2020i without any problem. I used PocketInformant too but I found it really slow on Universal so I decided not to install it.

Maybe You have a question: then why do not use 2020i?
Simple answer: I really hate HTC showing me what is a VGA PDA with 3G.
That is why. I fuc*ing love it and I feel I cannot live without VGA and 3G.


So, if somebody has some experience in upper softs and knows errors or bugs with using them on Universal, please write it to me.

[rottie]

Sorry, but I will never believe that you need and are using all of these applications. And this is definitely the list to slow down your universal.

I like to keep my PC and Pocket PC clean and install only what I need, not what I MAY USE ONE DAY. Clutter is not good in any situation!

And so far it works for me.

And another thing is that many of the applications you have installed are enormous in size: Pocket Breeze, SPB Pocket Plus, Wisbar Advance, MobiMate World Mate Pro,Wisbar Desktop. And there is plenty applications doing the same things which are not only many times smaller in size, faster, and free. Like for example Pocket Breeze and Calendar+ or SPB Pocket Plus and VJOKbutt and VJTrayLaunch.

And don't you think that you sound silly and childish when you say that because you don't want uninstall few of these applications you will stop yourself from using all of them and buy a Nokia. :lol: Go for it, in the meantime I will enjoy using my fast, reliable Exec with all the applications I need...

[Tuningszocske]

In one part you have right in other part you don't have.
If you believe or not I'm using almost all of these applications almost every day.
Maybe I can find some which I really don't need but which you wrote in your slowapps-list I really love and if these are forbidden softs with a PDA I'm not sure I'd like to use them.

BUT!!!!
I've been using PDA-phones for years!!!!
I have not any problems with speed and stability before.
I used all of these applications.
WHY IS IT PROBLEM FOR THE NEWEST AND MOST EQUIPPED PDA??????

I'm not able to accept this.

[Tuningszocske]

(Spb PocketPlus I'm not using, I found it slower than other slow applications)

[rottie]

I'm not able to accept this.
Is that a threat? :wink: :lol:
Good night/morning...Enjoy your new Nokia :lol:

[Tuningszocske]

Yes, this is a threat. :)
Real problem is I'm in a special relationship with my Universal: Hate&Love.
I can't live with and without it. :)
Maybe I should find a specialist?
Is it a psychic problem now? :roll:

[stickeresq]

been smoking something? :twisted:

[vikasmal]

Frankly I understand your angst and kind of feel cheated myself after spending so much money on the Exec. Right now I am down to barebones in terms of the s/w that I have installed on it and inspite of that, it is really slow. One realises how slow the Exec is after having used the XDAII which was blazing fast with at least 3 times more s/w installed. I still have the XDA II and just checked it again... boy it is FAST!

Understandably, I too am dissapointed with this device.

Cheers, Vikas.

Yes, this is a threat. :)
Real problem is I'm in a special relationship with my Universal: Hate&Love.
I can't live with and without it. :)
Maybe I should find a specialist?
Is it a psychic problem now? :roll:

[jah]

@Tuningszocske

Same here. love and hate.

With my Nokia 9500 I never worried about how much s/w I installed (especailly with 80mb of user storage) but with my Exec I now only use Agenda Fusion, MS Reader (which is buggy), Opera & Mobireader.

[eTiMaGo]

Personally I don't think the problem is from the device itself, but the software. WM5 seems to run a lot slower than 2003SE, and even with faster CPUs and more memory, it's kinda like trying to run Windows XP on a Pentium 500... In other words, we'll need to wait for the hardware to mature and specs to be much more advanced to run WM5 at full speed. The hardware manufacturers also have to learn to use the new functions of the new OS, and learn to work around its quirks, but this can be solved by firmware updates.

So yeah, the Universal is great, as long as you keep things relatively simple with it.

[cktlcmd]

Answering your question is a bit of a personal preference. But for me, I am very happy with my EXEC. This is my first Pocket PC coming from a TH55/E1 Palm OS. Anyone who owned a TH55 knows it only can run applications at 144 MHz, with tons of applications installed it was very slow in opening applicaions, but once opened it runs smoothly. So for me, coming from a slow device to my EXEC is like a blessing. PLUS, as mentioned above, I only install applications that I really use and tend not to clutter my 2GB SD card which I use mostly for keeping my MP3s and Movies. I have no complaints so far. :D :D I never had any of the problems described in some threads like being slow, delayed rings, bluetooth problems, etc... :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[wytey]

more than happy with it, only a few gripes, but that is towards the 3rd party applications with exception of the lack of a backup function, in general it is fast enough, considering it is a pda phone.

for speed, I just whip out my Sony VAIO laptop :) not as portable nor as light, but each has there uses :)

this however looks very interesting :D

http://www.dualcor.com/photos.php

[cy80rg]

Hi all,

Yes - despite having an SPV for over a year (Palm os Treo 600 before that), I must say I'm still forced to draw one conclusion:

Bloated OS on an underpowered device.

I had hoped that after the CE days they would have sorted this out, but had so many problems with my BA being slow and hanging (how cool is it to say "sorry, my ohone just crashed?!"), I did look at the M5000 (wizzard).

I may be wrong on this but I believe the main problems with the BA - namely battery life, memory and cpu speed - weren't upgraded for the wizzard. And, unfortunately, I had to decide that the Wizard is just TOO BIG.

IS it me, but does anyone actually NEED the h/wkeyboard?

So, am going on with a barebones BA, and have bought a motorola V31 as a "propr phone"! Hopefully when i come to replac my phone in 12 months time, things will have got much faster and better in PPC phones....

Yes, I know they can do some very cool things, but I really didnt find the BA a very reliable phone.

Perhaps it's too cumbersome for a phone, and too small for a laptop?

Right idea - keep going - lets see where we are in a year!!

[simon_darley]

man how people complain...

dont like it, sell it, simple

i dont have a hate relationship at all, i just love it all the way...

i use lots, but again selective, even my existing configurations can make the device run slow, so i just dont use them for a while and switch them back on when I want to change it.

I have the perfect, fast efficient machine, and if I want to make it look pretty, make it do more functions simultaneously, I accept that it will slow down. Try loading any computer up with 60% - 80% drain on its available ram and its gonna slow down.

The issues are nearly all with the third party applications, the bare bones machine with minimal extended rom installs means I also dont miss a call, rings on the second ring, screen rotation the first time is sub 2 seconds, and subsequently sub 1 second.

I love the bluetooth, keyboard, vga, 3 g, I also like the clam close to protect my screen so that I dont need a case, it just fits in the pocket if I am not wearing tight jeans....

Device is SPB PP (beta), SPB Diary, SPB Weather, SPB Backup (Beta), Resco Explorer, M$VC, KSE True Fax
Card... TCPMP, Resco Audio, Resco Radio, Resco Pictures, Wizbar 2 and Desktop (to play not use), 1 Calc, MS Reader, Bluepoint world and earth, and games

Yes you have to be choosy on your apps, but these are the software developers fault for not correctly utilising and keeping upto date with the change in technology, the permanent storage rather than pure RAM, and thus calling permanent storage information into RAM whn it is in storage.

We wanted permanent storage, but the developers have written applications for the the 2003/SE system and "adapted" to the WM2005 system, and it isnt that adaptable.

They must catch up , they will catch up, but dont whinge about your phone, it works, it works well, the apps are the are that screw it up.

Again, dont like it, sell it, stop whinging, some of you guys sound worse that my missus....

This is not a whinge forum, it is a help and contribute forum to share and develop knowledge.

[jah]

@simon_darley, okay a balancing view. But lets not promote the Universal as being fault free because this is not true: SMS causing freezing, delayed call alert and loss of data after soft reset. Not making this up, I have suffered these problems.

[Jorgee]

@simon_darley, okay a balancing view. But lets not promote the Universal as being fault free because this is not true: SMS causing freezing, delayed call alert and loss of data after soft reset. Not making this up, I have suffered these problems.

Hello,

I have a QTEK 9000 and:
1. SMS never froze
2. Call Alert always rings in my phone mid-first-ring (i use a 50k mp3)
3. data loss after soft? not sure what this is about

What ROM are you using BTW? Just curious.

[jah]

@Jorgee, suggest you have a quick look at this forum. There are lots of threads about the problems I mentioned. Regarding the call alert, I have now installed the new Radio ROM and there are significant improvements for finding a weak signal and call alert is also much better. The SMS freez was with my JJ which I have now sold. The loss of data - again the architecture of the Universal does mean this can happen. If RAM data is not written to ROM because of a fault. Again lots of posts on this here at this forum.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=31183&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=sms+freez&start=0

http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=34724&highlight=sms+freez

[Jorgee]

@Jorgee, suggest you have a quick look at this forum. There are lots of threads about the problems I mentioned. Regarding the call alert, I have now installed the new Radio ROM and there are significant improvements for finding a weak signal and call alert is also much better. The SMS freez was with my JJ which I have now sold. The loss of data - again the architecture of the Universal does mean this can happen. If RAM data is not written to ROM because of a fault. Again lots of posts on this here at this forum.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=31183&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=sms+freez&start=0

http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=34724&highlight=sms+freez

I see in your signature you have XDA Exec, did you buy this after the JJ? How is it? Does it have same bugs? So i guess since my ROM was October maybe that's why i didn't have the problems you mentioned, or is it possible because it was QTEK and not IMAT. not sure.

I think i now understand what you mean about the memory thing. I hardly reset so so far it hasn't been a problem to me (yet)

Cheers,

[wytey]

I use the hardware keyboard far more than the onscreen one, as I find I can input far quicker.

SMS has never caused mine to freeze (touch wood - lets not tempt fate here)

when it is on, it rings towards the end of the first ring, when it is off, it rings between beginning of second to mid of second. no problems with that respect, even with a 250k odd mp3

if you reset to quickly, you apparently lose the data that it hasn't saved, however, I have not come across this, what I have come across is, if I create a mail account, pocket breeze will not show it, if I then reset, regardless of timeframe, I lose that account, however, if I pop into pb settings, then exit, pb will show that account, and will do so after a reset.

I totally agree with Simon, the apps you choose to use are very important, many are not written to work with WM2005, or poorly written. Take WA2 and WAD for example, they are designed to work with WM2005, and has great support from Chris the writer. With them, I have the perfect today screen, however, I've decided the extra overhead isn't worth the eye candy.

Infact, looking at Simon's list, many programs there are also on my list.

*edit* corrected typo

[pjfdias]

more than happy with it, only a few gripes, but that is towards the 3rd party applications with exception of the lack of a backup function, in general it is fast enough, considering it is a pda phone.

for speed, I just whip out my Sony VAIO laptop :) not as portable nor as light, but each has there uses :)

this however looks very interesting :D

http://www.dualcor.com/photos.php

That is a mobile that I have to have.

Looks amazing

[Tuningszocske]

Taht's nice but it's a shame that it hasn't got a phone modul.

[kelford]

Taht's nice but it's a shame that it hasn't got a phone modul.
Were you referring to the dualcor? Because it is a phone also (Win XP, WM 5.0 and phone.)

[leek]

Does DualCor support GPRS/EDGE/UMTS, or just Voice/WiFi/BT? That's the question.

[Tuningszocske]

Yes, you are right, but in the specifications page there is no any information about being a phone modul. Is it with 3g? Wlan?

[kelford]

Does DualCor support GPRS/EDGE/UMTS, or just Voice/WiFi/BT? That's the question.
This does seem to be the big question for that device. We may not know until it's released (which was supposed to be this month.)

[Osir1s]

I like these threads, it makes me feel like I won the lottery with my jasjar. I wouldnt have as many applications installed at you, but ive got a fair few and my jasjar still flies. The only thing I can suggest is
1. Use Wisbar Lite
2. Be more selective with what you put on the Main storage. If it doesnt need to be there, ship it off to SD.

Apart from that, disable error reporting, and upgrade the ROM.

I did that and it fixed the call issue. Phone rings when its meant to (it did orignally suffer from the 3rd ring menance). Screen redraw is quick as a flash.

I dunno what to tell you except id probably be thinking the same thing you are if my device was performing as badly as yours is.

hrmm the DualCor looks like a hunk of crap but seems to be packing alot of features. One wonders what the weight, dimensions and price are, not that it would matter ive done my yearly mobile upgrade for now.

Let us know what you decide to do, or if the universal situation improves for you.

[dreamtheater39]

hey!


whats this thread all about? lol

S

[Tuningszocske]

This thread about rich girls with big tits. :)

[dreamtheater39]

This thread about rich girls with big tits. :)

ahhh! now it figures :P

S

[dreamtheater39]

in south park style......!

my device is slow....rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, it keeps crashing all the time, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, low memory all the time, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, i'm getting NOKIA, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble, rabble rabble rabble.....

hee hee :D
(this is for pure entertainment m'kay, hope i dont get crucified for this m'kay...:D)

Cheers m'kay,
San

[Jorgee]

I Love my Universal.

First the old roms were really slow, and the new ones now are worlds faster. I guess this will go the same for the software we are using on our PDA's as the guy who started the post said, it all was working on a WM2003SE Phone, DUH? That's where the problem is. This phone isn't running WM2003SE and please dont say the device is under-powered.

THe new roms are running quite fast for my taste so again, I LOVE MY UNIVERSAL!!!!!!!!.

What I belive the problem is is more for the software than hardware problem.

Even Wisbar is a lot faster now than before.... But i didn't change anything in my hardware. So is it underpowered? Did i have to overclock my universal? No.

I'm with some of the guys here. I don't like putting EVERYTHING on my universal. For me, i'm happy with smallmenu and mem-maid and tcpmp.

But that's my take on it... As far as I am concered, I have everything I need on my universal (except an external screen... CRAP!!!). I'm happy with it's speed, i'm happy with it's battery life, i'm even happy with the camera. But i guess not everyone here uses the phone like I do so maybe that's why they're not content.

BTW, just a comment. The DualCor looks more BRICK-like than the Universal...

Cheers everyone

[Tuningszocske]

I Love my Universal.

First the old roms were really slow, and the new ones now are worlds faster. I guess this will go the same for the software we are using on our PDA's as the guy who started the post said, it all was working on a WM2003SE Phone, DUH? That's where the problem is. This phone isn't running WM2003SE and please dont say the device is under-powered.

THe new roms are running quite fast for my taste so again, I LOVE MY UNIVERSAL!!!!!!!!.

What I belive the problem is is more for the software than hardware problem.

Even Wisbar is a lot faster now than before.... But i didn't change anything in my hardware. So is it underpowered? Did i have to overclock my universal? No.

I'm with some of the guys here. I don't like putting EVERYTHING on my universal. For me, i'm happy with smallmenu and mem-maid and tcpmp.

But that's my take on it... As far as I am concered, I have everything I need on my universal (except an external screen... CRAP!!!). I'm happy with it's speed, i'm happy with it's battery life, i'm even happy with the camera. But i guess not everyone here uses the phone like I do so maybe that's why they're not content.

BTW, just a comment. The DualCor looks more BRICK-like than the Universal...

Cheers everyoneJust one to say.
Everybody says that the new ROM is much faster, but I made a lot of speedtests, and I say faster too, but not as much as they say. It is not a big difference. But when you make the upgrade, of course you feel much faster after the upgrade, but after a few days and installing just a few programs without any registry hack it will be slow again then the previous one.

[Osir1s]

^Yes you are probably right, but its the small fixes the ROMs had which made the big difference. eg, Faster redraw, not having to wait a cpl seconds for the screen to kick in from standby is good. Having the phone ring alot faster then on the 3rd ring is handy etc.

I mean the device is powered by 525mhz, there are obviously software flaws there if the device is running noticably slow.

[Tuningszocske]

Ringing delay has disappeared, but the delay when you say something to the caller first it is still there. I have to say hello minimum ttwo or three times until the caller can hear it.

[Jackar]

When you`re not happy with the speed, you can overclock it to 620Mhz (or something around that, I don`t remeber accurately). I have tried it and it runs noticable faster. But battery drain is also much bigger ;)

[Tuningszocske]

When you`re not happy with the speed, you can overclock it to 620Mhz (or something around that, I don`t remeber accurately). I have tried it and it runs noticable faster. But battery drain is also much bigger ;)I tried it too, but the speed is NOT faster just in a few case.

[leek]

"Faster" is perhaps too strong a word.

"More responsive" would be a better description.

Less latency, but similar bandwidth.