HTC PROPHET OR O2 ATOM?

[MADJID]

I want to know wich one you think is better htc prophet or o2 Atom!

[fastest]

imho;

speed, size = atom (though ive never used one)

batterylife = prophet

im pleased with the jamin but its just too slow.

[universaldoc]

The Prophet and the Atom both have absolutely the same battery life. In a recent benchmark that was done my Mobile01, it was shown that the Atom actually had a longer battery life (by 4 minutes) than the Prophet.

You can check their review here:

http://mobile01.com/newsdetail.php?id=2471

Speed-wise the JAMin IS SLOW. The Atom on the other hand is much faster especially after the latest ROM Upgrade.

The JAMin however has a really good camera. Its one of the best i have seen in its class.

[MADJID]

THANKS ,I think I made up my mind I am going for the O2 atom but I have to find out were to get it first Its hard to get hold of!

[27]

Speed-wise the JAMin IS SLOW. The Atom on the other hand is much faster especially after the latest ROM Upgrade.


I was under the impression that the Prophet is fast and the Atom slow.

[Camstech]

Having owned an Atom for three weeks, I have to say it is certainly the best PDA/Phone I have used. Initially I was horrified at its performance (or lack thereof!), but the second ROM update has finally got it to where it should have been. It is certainly faster than my XDAII, XDAIIs and is up there with XDAIIi. It is also very stable, running more than a week without needing soft reset. I use Battery Pack Pro as a PPC management utility (known to slow down systems) without any real speed issues, and have it loaded up with a number of apps inc Cash Organizer, Collins Eng-French dictionary, Personal Vehicle manager, 1-Calc, and Illium e-wallet. They all work fine with WM5. I intend to load either Destinator or Navman once they get WM5 versions out. Co-Pilot already works with WM5 so I might use that if nothing happens soon.
Windows media chews vast amounts of memory, and everything slows when it is running. On the other hand, the A2DP works very well with my HP BT Headphones, inc track forward/back.
Two disappointments though. No BT Voice dialling, which I would have thought to be mandatory with a Handsfree Profile (the Exec has it!), and the Camera. The Camera is better than it was with the earlier ROMS, raising its performance to at least "crap" level, but it really a waste of time. It is slow to open, often crashes the system, is very slow to respond to a button press (lots of pictures of my feet as the shutter triggers up to 3 seconds after the shutter noise), and the white balance is all wrong, lots of red "flaring" and a blue tinge to the dark areas.
However, I didn't buy the system expecting to ever use the camera so that doesn't worry me. Photos from the Prophet seem much better so if a camera is important to you, give the Atom a miss.
Apart from the Voice Dialling issue therefore I think it is just about perfect. Its as small as many straight phones, has a reliable Bluetooth with decent range (unlike the terrible IIs with its 3 foot max range), has a robust Radio Stack (with reception as good as my Nokia 6230i, Atom has no external aerial connection although that never seems to make any difference anyway), a clear screen and very good stereo speakers.
A pair of hardware buttons to complement the WM5 interface would be an improvement, and a stronger battery cover wouldn't go astray.
Overall, I'm pretty happy, which I never was with the other models. It will be interesting to see what Quanta do with a larger form factor. A IIi sized machine with VGA and WM5 would be interesting! Cheers

[27]

People sang the Prophet's praises here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=38148

They gave me the impression that the Prophet is all that plus a bag of chips.

[MADJID]

People sang the Prophet's praises here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=38148

They gave me the impression that the Prophet is all that plus a bag of chips.


if that ,what about the speed and the fm radio and the size?
have a look at this; http://pocketpcdubai.com/i-mate_PPC/jamin/reviewp2.html

[scott451]

hi,

i have seen a lot of messages saying the htc prophet is slow. i would like to know what slow means for each poster, slow doing what ?

is skype slow, is wmp 10 slow, or is everything slow ? any information of relative stability of the platforms would also be appreciated.

last thing, i have read that he camera on htc prophet is better. ok, but is it really any good for taking pictures, or is it just a gadget.

thanks for all help,


scott

[fastest]

i read both bad and good things about the omap cpu. in theory its meant to be good but in practice sadly its not very good. yes, software isnt optimised for the chip.. but who here wishes to wait for a year or 2 before all software has been updated? and before then, we may have 1ghz pocket pcs :/

i love everything about the prophet over my original jam.. but sadly the cpu choice htc made completely ruins what could have been the ultimate device.

ive tried the eten m600 recently but wasnt happy with a few things and now im unhappy with the prophet :( im tempted by the o2 atom.. one last chance for me to find the perfect device?

for now, i think i will be going back to my trusty and speedy jam and my exec.

[msellars]

I agree with Camtech - the Atom is a neat device though only with the latest ROMs is the speed acceptable. Earlier ROMS were painfully slow and most stores are now selling Atoms in Australia and doing updates for customers.

There are some reported issues most noticeable the BT needs work - units are reporting a noticeable hiss on BT audio (including A2DP) and a personal favourite, the BT used to work hands free with my BMW but after the latest ROM it doesn't! :roll:

Early adopter pains - the Atom has only been released (AFAIK) in Asia/Oceania.

[kta]

The Prophet and the Atom both have absolutely the same battery life. In a recent benchmark that was done my Mobile01, it was shown that the Atom actually had a longer battery life (by 4 minutes) than the Prophet.


I don't have an Atom but can speak about the Prophet. I'm running into the 3rd day of usage without a charge and the battery is still 23%! I've taken a good number of calls, recieved a 4MB file over BT, had WiFi switched on for about half an hour and listened to about 2.5 hours of MP3s.

Not bad I think :wink:

[jwhitham]

I am thinking about getting a Prophet next. The speed issuse is my only concern.

I see that you can increase the clock speed on the Charmer since it's the same CPU I guess it will work on the Prophet. Anyone tried this?

This http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=40457 thread says 472MHz! that would do me if it can play DivX 624x352 video at 100% speed.

[Melchior]

I have the Jamin (Prophet). And heres the skinny on the "Slowness"

It is slow. And it will be noticeable. But when people compare slowness from a device. We are talking about 1/2 second to a second slower. Thats about it. For normal operation, opening windows, menus, programs, the Atom will be .5-1 second faster. How much is that really? It depends on you. .5-1 second faster is VERY noticeable. But what does mean for your productivity? The Atom will get something done a few seconds faster.

Thats about it, really.

Now when it comes to running something while your doing something else. It may be slow enough to be unuseable aka SKYPE (if you had 1 second lag on a video game, that game is effectively unplayable, etc). But when it comes up usually when your Mp3 is on, your surfing the internet, and you suddenly get a call. Or when your GPS is on and you get a call. You will feel it lag, and it WILL still work. Your just talking about the feeling of "snappiness" etc, but the end result is not much different. The Atom will pick up a call and be in call on maybe the first ring. It will take the third ring maybe for the Prophet to pick up the call. Both while in GPS or something.


Realistically speaking, NONE of that matters. So what if what your device slows down a bit? Even if you miss a call, does that really affect anything, when you can just call the person right back?
So what if basic usage is about 1/2 second slower?

I won't get into the overclocking of the OMAP. Suffice to say, it makes it just as fast as the Atom/Eten when you activate it for specific applications, or keep it overclocked (which would makes all usage very fast).

Now heres the part where NOTHING the atom can do will overcome its inadequacies:

Lack of 850mhz. If you care about using your phone first, then you want reception. If your on Tmobile, congratulations you have no reception in many buildings, basements, rural areas, even suburbs. N/A if your not in the North America.

Crappy Camera. Utterly unuseable camera functionality and picture quality. My Jamin takes DIGICAM quality pictures, saves very fast, and the shutter time is close to 1 second.

Build Quality and Battery life. Whoever quoted that review which showed equal battery life, WRONG. That review has been updated by the editor and the Prophet is estimated to have about 25% MORE battery life. I don't know about you, but the first thing in a device like this you should be worrying about IS Battery life.

As far as I'm concerned, the Atom has NOTHING on the Prophet. With the glossy and reportedly cheap casing, lack of 850, and useless camera. The Prophet is my all in one 4GB Mp3 player, Camera, PDA, and phone. Overclock it when if you really feel you must, and then the Atom loses the one single advantage it ever had.

As a consumer, this was pretty much obvious to me. I wouldn't buy an inferior product. So I bought the Prophet after reading the reviews.

[spangelsaregreat]

Just finished first 24 hrs with JAMin. Works well in all areas and only slightly slower than my JAM. Was able to use Tom Tom, play MP3 in MortPlayer and take a call. After call both apps kept working.

I was also won over by the build quality of this device over the ATOM and the £100 price difference!!

[Ruxton]

Realistically speaking, NONE of that matters. So what if what your device slows down a bit? Even if you miss a call, does that really affect anything, when you can just call the person right back?
So what if basic usage is about 1/2 second slower?

As a consumer, this was pretty much obvious to me. I wouldn't buy an inferior product. So I bought the Prophet after reading the reviews.

Soo.. you wont buy an inferior product, but you bought a phone that sometimes doesnt pick up a call? That's inferior.

I couldn't think of anything more ANNOYING than not seeing/hearing my phone ring, and then 2 hours later realising someone tried to call me about something really important, or even more annoying, hearing it ring and not being able to answer it. If i had to call back every 2nd or 3rd person who called me, my mobile bill would go through the roof.

[Melchior]

Realistically speaking, NONE of that matters. So what if what your device slows down a bit? Even if you miss a call, does that really affect anything, when you can just call the person right back?
So what if basic usage is about 1/2 second slower?

As a consumer, this was pretty much obvious to me. I wouldn't buy an inferior product. So I bought the Prophet after reading the reviews.

Soo.. you wont buy an inferior product, but you bought a phone that sometimes doesnt pick up a call? That's inferior.

I couldn't think of anything more ANNOYING than not seeing/hearing my phone ring, and then 2 hours later realising someone tried to call me about something really important, or even more annoying, hearing it ring and not being able to answer it. If i had to call back every 2nd or 3rd person who called me, my mobile bill would go through the roof.

You gotta be kidding me. Missing a call would NEVER happen, unless you are running SKYPE, GPS, Internet Explorer a video in the background. I'm saying the issues at hand aren't even really ISSUES. I'm not saying it actually AFFECTS the device under normal usage. Please READ my ENTIRE post next time instead of taking quotes out of context please.

Wth are you smoking with the phone bill argument? Are you magically getting charged for the missed call or am I missing something?

When people argue about the OMAP's speed and give retarded examples that either never happen or happen ONCE in a blue moon. First of all how many times are you going to be using a GPS (in your car) and receive a call. In such RARE circumstances, the only difference between the Atom and the Prophet is that the Prophet might lag a little more than the Atom. How many times will you be playing a video and suddenly receive a call? For all intents and purposes, the Prophet's processor copes with and WORKS for any sort of realistic multitasking scenario. The Atom's ofcourse works a bit FASTER.

ALL of this MOOT when you overclock. Set your overclocking preferences to when you open your GPS, or load a video file, or using the internet. Guess what, the Atom no longer has ANY advantage if you choose to do this.

Unfortunately for the Atom, you can't overclock OR overcome its lack of 850, much touted but unuseable 2MP camera, and inferior build.

Again, as a consumer, I will be doing my research and buying the best product. I happen to be on Cingular. If you happen to live outside of North America, and you don't care that the device your buying costs about $100 more and is (-) Camera. The Atom IS better for you. In the US, you either go Verizon for the best reception, or you can go Cingular for great reception and more choice in GSM phones. If your on T-Mobile, God won't even help you on your reception. I speak from experience when moving from T-Mobile to Cingular, it was like Night and Day in most areas.

I'm not defending the Prophet because I bought it. I can easily sell it IF there was a better device. I bought a Wizard 2 WEEKs ago, and that didn't fit my taste at all, so I promptly sold it. I'm trying to let people understand that depending on your user habit, location, and NEEDS of a device, the Prophet or Atom may be more suitable.

AS it boils down in comparison
The ONLY thing the Atom has: Speed
The Prophet has: Camera, SD card, Reception, and Build Quality.

Overclock, and the Atom has absolutely NO advantage.

If you don't wish to overclock, dont need the camera, don't mind the mini SD, don't need the 850mhz, and prefer the shiny black finish, the Atom IS a better device for you.

For most of us (especially in the US), the Prophet's features and versatility far outweigh its slightly slower operation. Overall, I think most people would agree that the Prophet is a better device than the Atom. I would much prefer my cheaper 4gb Mp3 player, 2MP Camera, Phone, Internet and PDA all in one over a 2gb Mp3 player, inferior reception phone, and slightly faster internet and pda functionality.

[kta]

I NEVER missed any call no matter how many applications I have open. The OMAP has a dedicated code for phone related applications so no matter how many apps you have open, the phone is always responsive.

I sometimes missed calls on the magician when I had many apps open. Phone app responsivness on the Prophet is better than the Magician's!!

[skagen]

It is slow. And it will be noticeable. But when people compare slowness from a device. We are talking about 1/2 second to a second slower. Thats about it. For normal operation, opening windows, menus, programs, the Atom will be .5-1 second faster. How much is that really? It depends on you. .5-1 second faster is VERY noticeable. But what does mean for your productivity? The Atom will get something done a few seconds faster.
Translation - one of these items will be annoying compared to what you are used to - the other would not. Let's put it this way, I wouldn't go out and buy a PC that was slower than my previous one, let alone for more money.



The Atom will pick up a call and be in call on maybe the first ring. It will take the third ring maybe for the Prophet to pick up the call. Both while in GPS or something.

Realistically speaking, NONE of that matters. So what if what your device slows down a bit? Even if you miss a call, does that really affect anything, when you can just call the person right back?.

...Unfortunately for the Atom, you can't overclock OR overcome its lack of 850, much touted but unuseable 2MP camera, and inferior build....



Depends on if you think you spent your money on a phone - or a toy. And judging by your fixtion on the camera ( the camera in all these phones are a joke frankly). I'd have to wonder.

I'm much more interested in buying phone from someone that makes the phone part work well, before they go spending effort on a toy camera. Talk about a messed up sense of priorities...

Build quality remains to be seen - proven only by long term usage.

There is not point in touting a device beyond its weaknesses. The Prophet/Jamin may be fine for some. But its sheer folly to go around pretending that its weaknesses would not affect anybody or that 850mhz is an issue that affects most of the world - it doesn't. Many people dont give a fig about 850. We don't live in US or Canada.

[jwhitham]

Let's put it this way, I wouldn't go out and buy a PC that was slower than my previous one, let alone for more money.


But then I also wouldn't get a new PC that only had half the storage of my old one. I have a 4GB card in my Magican that I will have to throw away with the Atom.

My contract is up in July if nothing else comes out before then with:-

* Full size SD / SDIO
* Wifi
* 400+MHz
* WM2005
* 2MP+ Camera (ideally with autofocus & optical zoom)
* Same form factor as my Magician
* USB2
* USB Host
* D3D hardware
* VGA (ok now I'm dreaming)
* Built in GPS (the new sort that work indoors)


Then I guess I'll have to go for the Prophet due to the investment in my memory card.

Maybe I can just set the clock speed to 400Mhz permanently and live with shorter battery life......

[skagen]

Then I guess I'll have to go for the Prophet due to the investment in my memory card.

Tail - Wagging - Dog......

Anyway move ot SD is a wider trend that isnt going to go away. Nokia is also moving to mini SD in Series 60 3rd editon (ie ESeries, N series etc)...

[jwhitham]

The MiniSD trend is worring. Just as SD cards started to get to decent capacities they go and start halving them all :-(

[kta]

@skagen

Using the right 3rd party software, the Prophet is not slower than the Magician in your everyday use. It is only slower if you're watching a 760Kbps WMV file! So what?! And this is a little price to pay compared to the many advantages the Prophet has on the Magician, such as WiFI, BT 2.0, WM5 and the one-handed operation improvements, 2MP camera, etc.

And the Prophet's camera is not a joke, believe me. See attached pic of my dirty car :)

I could only realise how improved the Prophet was over the Magician when I go the Dopod 818 PRo myself. You'd be surprised!

[skagen]

@skagen

Using the right 3rd party software, the Prophet is not slower than the Magician in your everyday use.

It should take 3rd party software for a "new" model to approach (not even equal) the speed/responsiveness of the old.

And that software can invalidate your warranty, BTW.

Camera is not why I buy a phone. I got a real digicam: Panasonic FX series. Call me when the ones on a WM phone reach that resolution and have a zoom (and no I'm not taking about that scam they call "digital zoom"). I'm interested in a smartphone that does what phone need to do perfectly - before they spend energy and resources on camera.

[kta]

By using the 3rd party software I did not mean 3rd party software that speeds up the device!!! The right 3rd party software as in using 3rd party software that is designed for WM5!!! And since when does intalling 3rd party software invalidates your warranty??!!!

The phone part of the device does exactly what is meant to do, and better than the magician. Looking for contacts is easier, call quality is better, etc.!

I don't carry my Fuji FinePix 6MP camera with a 10x optical zoom every where I go, so sometimes I find the 2MP camera on the Prophet quite handy :)

Do you have a Prophet yourself? If you don't, you really cannot tell. I have both!

[skagen]

I don't carry my Fuji FinePix 6MP camera with a 10x optical zoom every where I go, so sometimes I find the 2MP camera on the Prophet quite handy :-)!

If its size of camera, I can get a 2MP Mustek that is about the size of a credit card an weighs about a 5th of what the Phrophet does. Big deal.

We are assessing a smartphone.Camera is not an key issue - unless it is a real camera. And real cameras have both a 3x zoom and at least 5 megapixel. So don't bring it up, unless the included camera is going to stop me from buying a real camera.

This is about as useful as trying to assess digital cameras by comparing their video recording - who cares.

[Bman]

I don't carry my Fuji FinePix 6MP camera with a 10x optical zoom every where I go, so sometimes I find the 2MP camera on the Prophet quite handy :-)!

If its size of camera, I can get a 2MP Mustek that is about the size of a credit card an weighs about a 5th of what the Phrophet does. Big deal.

We are assessing a smartphone.Camera is not an key issue - unless it is a real camera. And real cameras have both a 3x zoom and at least 5 megapixel. So don't bring it up, unless the included camera is going to stop me from buying a real camera.

This is about as useful as trying to assess digital cameras by comparing their video recording - who cares.

Hey skagen why so angry? Is your partner giving you a (not so) hard time? Do you have Quanta stock? Chill, it's only about a tiny PDA. It's not world peace or a cartoon debate.

[skagen]

Not angry at all. I just find it utterly insane to be measuring a device on peripheral qulaities - rather than the main thing.

[kta]

Not angry at all. I just find it utterly insane to be measuring a device on peripheral qulaities - rather than the main thing.

You seem to be doing this on purpose? :)

The main thing is FINE and is also BETTER THAN THE MAGICIAN!!!! With or without the 2MP camera the device is still better than the Magician thanks to a MUCH BETTER battery life, better call handling, ease-of-use (as in one handed operation, etc.), BETTER OS, permanent storage, headset quality ... and a better camera! :) :)

[Bman]

Not angry at all. I just find it utterly insane to be measuring a device on peripheral qulaities - rather than the main thing.

The main thing is that the Prophet is the successor of the Magician and is doing a good job. I would like the Prophet to have GPS but hey you can not have them all. A camera that is usable is a big advantage. The solid memory (wm 2005) is a big advantage. Usable bluetooth headset is a BIG advantage for me.
BTW what is the main thing on a device that has multiple functions?
PDA, GSM, CAMERA?
For me it is the combined functions. Great to have a PDA GSM CAMERA in one device.

I'm still waiting for the Prophet to be released here in the Netherlands.
If it's here before a PDA GSM CAMERA GPS is sold some where else I will buy it for sure.

[Melchior]

Not angry at all. I just find it utterly insane to be measuring a device on peripheral qulaities - rather than the main thing.

Your entire camera argument goes against the current market trend where people spend $500-$1000 on Camera PHONES.

SE K750i, W800i, W900i, P990
Sharp 903SH
Samsung D600

Need I list more of the best selling and most popular phones that FAR outsell our niche market of PDA phones that are often sold ONLY BECAUSE of their "crappy" Cameras? Sorry buddy. Take a look at the pictures the Sharp 903SH takes and that should shut you up permanently about camera phones. I'm not saying the Prophet's camera is as good, but it comes very close.

If I wanted to buy a separate camera, then I would. Then instead I would buy an Ipod, a Dell Axim, a Moto Razr, and Fuji F10. Guess what, what we want is an ALL IN ONE DEVICE. Not 5 things sticking out of our pocket! One thing in my pocket that accomplishes EVERYTHING above really really well is what this market is about. If you don't care about the camera and the phone function? is top priority, I suggest you look elsewhere (Motorola Razr V3i/x etc).

[skagen]

Well the market for crap CMOS 2 megapixel cameras with no zoom lens - whic is what these two phone have - is about zero so no, that is not why people spend £500 on a device. Sorry.

I'm very interested in valid arguments about why a smartphone is good or not, not about tangential functions that the designers have clearly deemed unworthy of real investment. The "camera" in these two devices - if you want to call this pinhole POS a camera - probably differs in software only.

[kta]

skagen, why do you hate the prophet so much? It just happens to be a good revision of the Magician with a revised 2MP camera. What's the big deal? If the Magician's camera wasn't crappy enough to stop you from buying it, the Prophet isn't either!

[MADJID]

It seems that a lot of us forgot what is all about is not about the prophet and the magician is about atom & the prophet, and yes if the prophet had the 400 processor it will be better then the atom but is not, and fast means better whether you are using a big application or small one ,we all like the magician, so the atom is the new magician updated with the wifi wm5 and more like the fm radio that even the prophet doesn’t have! The issue of the camera will be sorted in future ROMs as it’s a software issue not a hardware and I agree with skagen at the end of the day they are pda phones not a digital camera . Personally I believe the speeds are more important & life its short so get the most out of it in seconds!!

[Melchior]

It seems that a lot of us forgot what is all about is not about the prophet and the magician is about atom & the prophet, and yes if the prophet had the 400 processor it will be better then the atom but is not, and fast means better whether you are using a big application or small one ,we all like the magician, so the atom is the new magician updated with the wifi wm5 and more like the fm radio that even the prophet doesn’t have! The issue of the camera will be sorted in future ROMs as it’s a software issue not a hardware and I agree with skagen at the end of the day they are pda phones not a digital camera . Personally I believe the speeds are more important & life its short so get the most out of it in seconds!!

Since you made up your mind aloong way back, this thread should just be locked. If you prefer one device over another, then thats just that. You know the facts, the specs, the looks. So you will get what you like.

I've pretty said my share, in the end its all about the money. If you believe your money is better spent with an Atom, then so be it. If it makes you happy that you are getting a faster device out of the box at the sacrifice of battery life, storage, and a camera. Its a trade off, as simple as that. If YOU feel that trade off is worth it, then go for it. I as well as many others feel that trade off is not only not worth it, but also a non issue when you can just overclock the thing. I'm pretty anal about my things and prefer perfection in my devices and my work. The Prophet is much closer to perfect than the Atom, that's all there is to it.

[MADJID]

It seems that a lot of us forgot what is all about is not about the prophet and the magician is about atom & the prophet, and yes if the prophet had the 400 processor it will be better then the atom but is not, and fast means better whether you are using a big application or small one ,we all like the magician, so the atom is the new magician updated with the wifi wm5 and more like the fm radio that even the prophet doesn’t have! The issue of the camera will be sorted in future ROMs as it’s a software issue not a hardware and I agree with skagen at the end of the day they are pda phones not a digital camera . Personally I believe the speeds are more important & life its short so get the most out of it in seconds!!

Since you made up your mind aloong way back, this thread should just be locked. If you prefer one device over another, then thats just that. You know the facts, the specs, the looks. So you will get what you like.

I've pretty said my share, in the end its all about the money. If you believe your money is better spent with an Atom, then so be it. If it makes you happy that you are getting a faster device out of the box at the sacrifice of battery life, storage, and a camera. Its a trade off, as simple as that. If YOU feel that trade off is worth it, then go for it. I as well as many others feel that trade off is not only not worth it, but also a non issue when you can just overclock the thing. I'm pretty anal about my things and prefer perfection in my devices and my work. The Prophet is much closer to perfect than the Atom, that's all there is to it.


Hold you bike mate, it’s about opinion not a fight at the end of the day, I have post this in order to find out the difference with the 2 devices so people ho owns them just tell us their experience, but you seem to take it a bit personal ,if you happy with your toy then good for you !! Again it’s to know what people experience with this devices & what they think. Not that I have this toy so is the best because its cheap or expensive or because I own one!!
overclock a machine is when you cant afford to get a better one and make the battery issue back again in stage regardless of what the future life of your chip will hold!
So let’s keep it level.

[fastest]

cat fight :D /me sits back and enjoys

heres some benchmarks using spb benchmark soft. when the jamin is clocked to 262mhz, it does come close to some of the original jam scores.

spb benchmarks jam jamin@ jamin-default

compress 1mb file using 4827ms 4395ms 6166ms
decompress 1024x768jpg 458ms 774ms 1140ms
arkaball frames per second 9ms 5ms 7ms
cpu mflops 4669ms 7923ms 11714ms
cpu mops 1095ms 1665ms 2459ms
cpu mwips 9575ms 15406ms 22744ms
copy 1mb using memcpy 13ms 11ms 16ms


@ = clocked at 262mhz

[TerryMathews]

Wth are you smoking with the phone bill argument? Are you magically getting charged for the missed call or am I missing something?

You're missing something - most overseas cell companies (England, Japan, Korea, etc.) don't charge for incoming calls, only outgoing. Caller pays for the call, and the rate is higher for calling cells.

The way the American phone system works is very unique. You've got to realize that this is an international, and for the most part not US-centric, message board. We USers are in a minority here.

[haider]

You know how the Jamin is called 'Prophet' whats the Atom called? is it not made by HTC? is that why its not on this forum?

Not wanting to ruin the thread, but which is better:

Prophet or wizard? can't see the real difference other than keyboard, and i can't decide which to get :shock:

Thanks for any advice

[27]

You know how the Jamin is called 'Prophet' whats the Atom called? is it not made by HTC? is that why its not on this forum?

The Atom is made by Quanta and not HTC.

[MADJID]

You know how the Jamin is called 'Prophet' whats the Atom called? is it not made by HTC? is that why its not on this forum?

Not wanting to ruin the thread, but which is better:

Prophet or wizard? can't see the real difference other than keyboard, and i can't decide which to get :shock:

Thanks for any advice


the atom made by Quanta not HTC
I THINK The reason they didnt open a tread in here is because there is no much owner of this device yet ,and is not officially in the UK.

Between the wizard and the prophet like you wrote the keyboard for the wizard and I think the camera and sd card for the prophet.thats all what I see as a diffrence!!.
I have a wizard I hardley use the keyboard!! the prophet a bit £ :evil: comparing to the wizard if you get it sim free.

[jonboy8841]

Can someone please post some photos from the prophet in low light conditions ie night.

These images all seem fine in daylight but I notice that when you use these devives the night images are crap even in 'night mode'

[recrem]

I've currently got an Atom, and I had the JAMin for a week or so, so could compare every task I did on the JAMin with the Atom. In EVERY test I did, the JAMin performed as good, but mostly better than the Atom with the latest ROM installed.

Tests included opening large pdf documents, movies, skype, GPS software (OziExplorer), photo editing, games, music, phone etc... The JAMin opened and closed every application faster than the Atom by nearly 30 - 50%. I was so skeptical of the OMAP processor running at 200MHz as all my previous pocket pc's had an XScale processor running at least 400MHz.

In short, the performance blew my mind for it's clock speed. It is faster than the Atom, Exec and JASJAR in terms of practical use, and yes, I had all devices side by side at one stage.

I really don't know why so many people say it is slow... I've converted and am going to get a JAMin shortly and release ownership of my Atom.

Don't get me wrong, the Atom is still a very nice device, with cool FM radio, O2 software and such. Prior to me playing with the JAMin (courtesy of I-Mate in Australia) the Atom was the pick of the bunch for me.

Just my thoughts and obversations!

[Tom_Smith]

I want to know wich one you think is better htc prophet or o2 Atom!

I have been an O2 fan for a while now and I usually trust their products to be what they claimed them to be, to me the Imate brand seems to be the knock off model, like when Ford made utes with Nissan badging on them who did they think they were fooling?

I'm pleased to say that O2 has delivered the goods once again with the Atom. I’m extremely happy with my Atom and the fact it has a 416mzh Intel processor, it handles anything you throw at it and with ease.

I could be wrong and it may be just my perception but I just don’t trust the OMAP 850 processor in the Jamin and I think the Atom is the better choice for now...but in the next few months who knows?

Believe me speed will become an issue, when you have a few applictaions open and a call comes in or you need to open another application you will find the Jamin lacking.

I don't see any issues with the Atom's camera these pics were taken with my Atom the car was obviously shot outside :lol:

the other other pic was taken at night inside with no flash, as far as im concerned the Atom's pic quality is acceptable for a fully featured PDA with the works,

The Atom is the pick of the crop for the time being at least

[firstime911]

I used to have ATOM for a week when it first launch. However, i sold it and brought Prophet. Well I think Prophet was much faster.

With the new Atom Rom upgrade, i don't know what changes, but a lot of people said that is become faster.

Personally, I like the look of Atom, small and compact.

If the speed are the same or Atom faster after an upgrade,

I wonder what about the Loudness of the Speaker and Quality of the Camera of Atom that has been upgraded, It is better than Prophet???