Relocate Lower taskbar/system tray WM2005??

[Darren_Bridgeland]

Is it possible to relocate the lower taskbar where the bluetooth/running program icons sit??

I want to move it down into the softkey position as i have found a program to disable this from this site:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=27331&highlight=16

From Buzzdev.net it seems that the lower taskbar is in fact HHTaskbar and on searching the registry for this please see image below.

I think it must be controlled by a registry setting no?? any ideas?
Registry seems to point to /windows/shell32.exe
anybody able to look into this file?? maybe something in there, something must instruct the taskbar to appear at that exact location so hopefully it can be moved?!

Images below show my screen current and my screen when taskbar activated

Thank you for taking time to read this.

[vijay555]

Darren_Bridgeland: there is another program out to hide the tray, but I forget what it's called. I'll be releasing an update of VJToggleToday as soon as I can finish off a few things on it. Hopefully be working on it this weekend... but I say that every week :(

This is an issue you guys need to think about though:
- hiding the tray is fine, but consider that when we do need access to the Tray, which occassionally we do, would you like it as an overlay as you have it now, or revert all of the changes made by VJToggleTodayWM5, which will optionally be:
- toggle tray
- shrink start bar (top)
- shrink soft buttons (bottom)
- expand Today screen

I future version of VJToggleToday will do some more funky stuff with the Tray, but for now, we need to consider - should I hide the tray/unhide and revert all changes, or hide/overlay similar to the current "feature" in the old WM2003 version you're using.

V

[Darren_Bridgeland]

Thank you for answering so quickly vijay555 I was just looking at your personal website, great work your doing there :P

I absolutely love the clean look your togglenew program has given my device but unfortunately I agree that the system tray is needed.

All im hoping for is a way to relocate the tray into the old 'new menu' position at the bottom underneath Ilauncher in my screenshot. I can then reduce pocketbreeze size and away i go lol

Is this possible?

[vijay555]

But if I mush the tray down to where the soft keys would be, what about the sofkeys?

http://www.vijay555.com/vj/Releases/VJToggleTodayWM5/Screenshot.jpg
Relocate the tray above the soft keys?

VJToggleToday works on relatively simple ideas, but the permuations are the pain of it - if I shrink the Start bar, I have to account for it in the Today screen, the soft buttons and the Tray. If I hide the tray, I have to account for it likewise. However, if I don't hide the tray? If I don't shrink the SoftButtons? Und so weiter.

VJToggleToday is going to need a config dialog I think. And a clear head to program stuff like tray toggling. The basic code is done though, I hope. I haven't looked at it for a while - so busy on VJCandela cross compatibility and something else - old, but new, coming soon :wink:

V

[Darren_Bridgeland]

If you look at my screenshots I currently have my screen full, Ilauncher is sitting right at the bottom where the softkeys WOULD BE. Im asking for the tray to be INSTEAD of the softkeys (so to be EXACT the tray needs to be located 26pixels lower than its usual postion). Then I can reduce pocketbreeze by 26 pixels.
At the moment the tray cuts right through Ilauncher as Ilauncher is sitting in the tray & softkey position.

Is this clearer??

[vijay555]

I understand that Darren.
In my WM5 screenshot, I've minimised the soft keys to 2 pixels rather then remove them completely, on the basis that you might still want to tap on them with the stylus (I do this with my Magician's start bar (top), which is minimised to 2 pixels and then overlayed with a 24 pixel PhoneAlarm skin
http://www.vijay555.com/vj/screenshots/november3.jpg

However, if you KNOW you will not need this, ie only use the hard keys to access the softmenu, then I can make it an option to entirely remove the softkeys (however - the SIP icon overlay still seems to enjoy popping up. I'll investigate that later).

I'm intending to make it optional to configure the size of the softkeys and start menu, from 26 pix to 0. Maybe make it bigger then 26 pix for VGA screens? That might be cool.

V

[Darren_Bridgeland]

That would be a good feature to be able to configure the menu's size. So just out of interest the togglenew program, does that disable the softkeys or shrink them? Ive remade my wallpaper to be 26 pixels large and nothing appears clickable, I assumed it completely disabled them (think im getting confused lol)

Trouble is even if you disable/shrink softkeys how will you move the system tray to the bottom of the screen??
It cant be via another program as people will want to butt programs up to the tray, so you'll need to find the code that currently locates it and alter the code perminantly no??

[vijay555]

You're using the old VJToggleToday which is Wm2003. That's hardcoded to hide the New menu on Wm2003, and by accident the soft keys on Wm5. But for the Wm5 it's more sophisticated internally (hence then new WM2003 version as well, which will be more foolproof).

The new version will permit resizing of the soft keys, and I guess the start menu (for those who use start bar replacements).

Moving the Tray is no problem. On my WM2003 I used to use it like this:
http://www.vijay555.com/vj/HideStart2/3.jpg
VJHideStart (http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=27722&highlight=hidestart)

To permit hiding it, but bringing it back optionally. Future versions of VJToggleTodayWM5 will (hopefully) have similar options.

It cant be via another program as people will want to butt programs up to the tray
That's all part of the difficulties involved in writing it. There are lots of contingencies to take into account.

V

[Darren_Bridgeland]

wow how did you move the tray?? was it hard/easy?

could i manage it??

[vijay555]

Sure you could manage it, but through code. PM me if you want to discuss.

V

[jolas]

You're using the old VJToggleToday which is Wm2003. That's hardcoded to hide the New menu on Wm2003, and by accident the soft keys on Wm5. But for the Wm5 it's more sophisticated internally (hence then new WM2003 version as well, which will be more foolproof).

The new version will permit resizing of the soft keys, and I guess the start menu (for those who use start bar replacements).

Moving the Tray is no problem. On my WM2003 I used to use it like this:
http://www.vijay555.com/vj/HideStart2/3.jpg
VJHideStart (http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=27722&highlight=hidestart)

To permit hiding it, but bringing it back optionally. Future versions of VJToggleTodayWM5 will (hopefully) have similar options.

It cant be via another program as people will want to butt programs up to the tray
That's all part of the difficulties involved in writing it. There are lots of contingencies to take into account.

V

Is there any way to have the latest beta version of VJToggleTodayWM5 ? Thanks in advance.

[vijay555]

Not really jolas: if it was ready to release, I'd release it, but I've been too tied up to work on it for a while. I'll try to have a look at this and a couple of other apps this weekend... I'm also releasing a couple of other new-ish things this weekend, so busy busy :)

V

[jolas]

Thanks for your reply vijay555. Please, try to release this app, it will be very usefull for me and a lot of other people.

[Darren_Bridgeland]

Hope this weekend it a positive and productive one for you Vijay and cant wait to see the results :wink:

Hope to recieve a PM about the coding, but will understand if your trying to sort the program instead.

Take Care

[jolas]

Any news about VJToggleTodayWM5 ???

[Darren_Bridgeland]

its next on vijay's priority list, hes just finished a couple of other programs. Hopefully we'll start seeing some progress over the next week or 2

[vijay555]

Thanks Darren. See you're posting from Buzzdev!
Yes, as I've been saying for a while, my developments tend to dovetail together. I finally got a chance to do some work on VJFullscreenTSC this weekend, which I hope finally works properly. It's had minimal testing but it worked fine on my VGA universal.

But from there I learnt a couple of lessons I needed to bring back to VJToggleToday. It strikes me that this app should not be too hard to finish now. That's no promise - I've had some very concerning news recently about Vijay555.1, my little baby who is on his way. So as I'm sure you'll all understand, family priorities :(

But certainly, next on my plate is VJToggleToday, finally. And research has given way to a couple of new ideas that should also help a few left handed chaps out. But one app at a time...

V

[Darren_Bridgeland]

ooh I hope vijay 555.1 is ok. Ive just had a little boy 3 days ago so good luck with that.

My 2 year old was a very traumatic pregnancy and first 15months of life so I wish you all the best

[vijay555]

Many thanks Darren. News could be better on Vijay555.1, but it could be worse. All the best to your little one! Now the real hard work begins. I must be the only guy looking forward to having an excuse to be up at night, with nothing to do but program and look at the kid..

I'm only managing an hour or two coding on weekdays, and that's slow progress, barely one app to look at per night.
Yesterday was VJFullscreenTSC again (check out the new screenshots (http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=241961#241961)), but VJToggleToday is certainly next. I'm resisting VJTrayLaunch, which I also have some ideas for...

V

[jolas]

Is any beta of VJToggleTodayWM5 ready to be releasead? Please, give us something test!

[Darren_Bridgeland]

might be with us tomorrow fingers crossed

[vijay555]

Hey guys, sorry, had a no programming order yesterday because I had a job interview today and needed to study my "law of auction houses" :shock:

However, the interview went ok, and so hopefully I'll be home tonight, programming... I'll try to bang out a the preliminary alpha: I say preliminary, because basically it will move your tray, and optionally resize soft keys and start bar.

The full version will be resident to do automatic fixes in other circumstances (eg on rotation). This will also (hopefully) permit toggling certain things (like fully hiding the tray, rather than just moving it lower, to fill the screen).

As indicated in the VJSihaya thread, research has indicated that the Wm5 version of this app actually needs a deeper level of intervention, which I'm developing on VJSmallIcons II first (because it's easier to debug).

But I'm aiming for the preliminary alpha very soon. I think it's done already, but just need to test it once or twice.

V

[jolas]

any news???

[vijay555]

Jolas, a couple of guys have been using my preliminary "alpha" release.

I'm finishing some stuff off on VJSmallIcons II first, that I want to release in a couple of days (it's my birthday tomorrow :oops:), and then I need to re-use that code in VJToggleToday II.

The alpha release is just that: it's a test version for my own use, but you're welcome to give it a try.

It has issues: the today screen isn't quite adjusted to the correct height occassionaly, it doesn't account for the built in OS time/date plugin yet (because that plugin requires special treatment I haven't written yet, but I never use it), and I haven't made this a resident version yet, so that it automatically fixes the Today screen whenever required. Each of these issues will be incorporated/fixed in the release version. An OS issue is that the Start Button graphic can get buggered if you shrink it and then enlarge it :wink:

However, even as it is, it basically works:
http://www.vijay555.com/vj/Releases/VJToggleTodayII/Screenshot.jpg

There are options saved in the registry which permit you to adjust how big or small you want the start bar (top bar) and soft keys (bottom bar). My registry editor is buggered for now, but it's approx:
HKLM > Software > Vijay555 > VJToggleTodayII
or something like that.

I don't suggest making either of these bigger then 26 pixels.

Also - for the time being, don't try hiding the tray (in the registry). I think the option is ignored, but it's not useful right now.

Here you go:
VJToggleToday Alpha (http://www.vijay555.com/vj/Releases/VJToggleTodayII/VJToggleTodayIIalpha.exe)

Again this is an alpha release for my own use. It's not dangerous, but it's not release quality IMHO.

V

[jolas]

Vijay555, first I wish you the best for your birthday, and then I want to thank you for giving us the alpha release. Thanks!!!

[Darren_Bridgeland]

Running VJToggleTodayIIalpha

start menu = 26
soft keys = 0
System tray = 1 (enabled)

[chakra]

hi vijay thanks for the beta. it works great untill i want to revese it then nothing comes back untill i soft reset. but besides that small glitch it works great thanks again great work.

[vijay555]

No configuration system is implemented yet, other then manually changing the registry and relaunching. Final version will have full configuration options. (I'm away on a training weekend, no programming today :()

v

[stanip]

Vijay, I installed this into my universal start folder to allow it to autostart when I reset. But when I rotate, the top bar comes back... until reset. Other than that, it works nicely! I really like it.

A request, not sure about the effort though, is the possibility of allowing a choice to rotate the tray bar vertically to the right instead of at the bottom. When I use it with keyboard in landscape, the wasted space is more on the right hand side of the display... and little on the bottom.

Thanks for your wonderful effort!

[vijay555]

stanip: as I've stated above or in the other thread, this is a pre-release alpha, just used to demonstrate softkey and startbar shrinking. Fortunately it doesn't work too bad even now I think.

The final version will auto fix the bars on rotation etc, so that'll all be automatic etc. I've not been able to work on this this weekend, I was away on a course :(

I'm not intending to rotate the bars through 90 degrees, to map them to the side of the screen, although I will be developing some other ideas to do with the bars.

I have thought about a way to rotate the bar through 90 degrees, but it's not something I'm thinking about doing in the current development versions. I was contemplating doing 3d mapped/2d rotated windows in VSihaya, but that's unlikely to be possible because:
1. I'm not a very good programmer
2. I'm not very artistic
3. I don't think the devices can support the processing overhead

But, I'm thinking of giving it a go at some point, just to try... :wink:

V

[vivi]

Hi vijay555,
I try using this app since it is very interesting,but even I set as darren described above,I always see my lower task bar.SoftKeys are hidden but the keyboard always replace the lower bar as shown.
I soft reset the device and it still the same.
Any idea?
How to solve it?

[vijay555]

vivi - I have to do a hack to more permanently hide the SIP icon, but it's kind of "behind" the soft keys, even when the soft keys are hidden. But normally, it shouldn't be displayed. What configuration are you using (not VJToggleToday - everything else? Looks like wisbar, but what else?)

V

[vivi]

I use WisBarAdvance(Darren also use it)
And Today Plugins are
Pocket Weather
PocketBreeze
PTravelAlarm
PHM Traylaunch.(It is lost,I think it's behind lower taskbar)
That's all.
:roll:

[vivi]

Exit wisbarAdvance.
Disable PHM Traylaunch.
Restart.
The same.

[stanip]

Vivi, I had the same problem for a period of time...
But this problem went away after I put the exe file into the Windows Start folder to allow it to auto start.
By the way, I also installed the mini-icon II by Vijay at the same time and played with it a bit.
Not technical enough to explain how it works (may be Vijay could), but it just works now on my Universal everytime.

I also used VJ's launcher to put icons in the tray bar at the bottom. Works beautifully together! :)

[Darren_Bridgeland]

I initially had this problem but after fiddling (I use this term as I dont know what I did :roll:) it cleared itself.

It is to do with one of the today plugin i believe it maybe pocket breeze but I dont know why?

I only use 3 plugins

1) SBSH pocket weather
2) SBSH Pocket breeze
3) SBSH Ilauncher

I will use SBSH handylist as well but im waiting for pocketbreeze integration :lol:

Think im a walking advertisement for SBSH

Wish I could help you more vivi but I can assure you its nothing to do with Toggletoday but its integration into the system.

[vijay555]

Guys, the SIP issue will be sorted out when I get a little more time. I did play with it a little in code, but I found as well that it just went away when you move between apps. But I will make a more permanent solution when I come back to the code, hopefully this week.

stanip: as much as I love people using my stuff, be careful using VJTrayLaunch to launch so many apps. I recommend you use PHM Tray launch for that much stuff - because of the simple way I made VJTrayLaunch, it takes up resources for every icon, and that's not very good for your PDA. VJTrayLaunch will have a very substantial update soon :wink: Great screenshot btw - are you a banker?

V

[vivi]

Thanks for all for the responses.
I try disable one by one Today plugin until no plugin but it is the same.
I put VJToggle.exe in Windows/Startup and disable all plugins,after resetting it is the same.
Image attached.
I will try another way and wait for new release.
Thankssss all.
8)


(The icon in this pic is Thai Keyboard)

[Darren_Bridgeland]

Vivi, what is your registry settings?

Startmenu - ?
Soft Keys - ?
Traylaunch - ?

[vivi]

Hi Darren,
Same as yours,
start menu = 26
soft keys = 0
System tray = 1 (enabled)

[Darren_Bridgeland]

damn lol, I assume same as me initially you can occassionally see the tray when you exit progs or soft reset, it seems the bar just sits over them for no reason.

Only consolation at this point until vijay manages to look into this further is that once it sorts itself it appears to always stay sorted :wink:

Keep the faith lol

[vivi]

I saw it completly work only one time,it's the first time I tapped on it.
After editing registry and back to today,it became as shown.

I hard reseted my device and reinstalled but it doesn't work properly anymore.
So,I have to wait for Vijay.

But don't worry Vijay,do it when you have time.
I can wait.
Since it's great. 8)

[stanip]

I changed the wallpaper, and the tiny keyboard at the bottom came back and doesn't want to go away this time... :(

[vivi]

I changed the wallpaper, and the tiny keyboard at the bottom came back and doesn't want to go away this time... :(

LOL,
Finally I've got a friend.
(Just kidding)
I tried changing to default.tsk and the keyboard icon still be there.
No idea about this,just waiting.

Any way,How about you Darren?
LOL
:(

[vijay555]

Guys, I get the message! I was working in the office until 23:00 yesterday, so as I'm sure you'll understand, I don't get much time to program in the week.

But when I can, I'll prioritise the SIP hiding. This was also a big problem on the WM2003 version, and required a curious kludge to fix, but it works :wink:

Wm5 requires a very different treatment for SIP hiding, but I've done 50% of the work. I'll come back to it ASAP.

V

[vivi]

Thanksss Vijay,
We all can wait,don't worry.

Don't push you.
We only been here to share info.

We can wait.
Sleep well and enjoy yourself.
God bless you.

[vivi]

Finally after fiddling(as Darren did),I can hide the keyboard icon and the lower task bar.
It's very nice.(image attached)

Sorry, the keyboard icon came back after soft reset.

[vivi]

Any News?

[stanip]

VJ & Vivi, I flashed the latest Qtek rom and put the toggle utility into start folder, and this time it works!
The soft keyboard does not show up like in the imate rom. And when I rotate, it behaves and seems pretty stable this time.
Hope it just stays on... until VJ comes out with the final version. :)

[vijay555]

Guys, I'll be posting updates in the VJToggleToday thread, until a final version emerges.

I didn't realise there would be a difference between the rom versions - I'm testing on the emulator and the Universal with new rom.

I'll be progressing to interface and toggle work shortly.

V

[stanip]

VJ, the qtek rom definately is cleaner and more stable... I changed wallpaper and the full-screen stays without poping out the soft-keyboard.
Last time with the imate rom, the soft-keyboard started jumping out right a wallpaper change. Keeping my figures crossed and also look forward to seeing your final version.
Thanks!

[flippy]

Any new development?

[vijay555]

I've done the toggling function, but that's an interim step before integrating some form of config dialog. I haven't released it yet, got distracted and got stuck into VJVolubilis again instead. But it's Easter and I've got some time off coming, so lots will be released then.

V

[flippy]

sweet

[sanjsrik]

this is quite possibly the most awesome piece of software that should have existed a long time ago.

sniff sniff

thank you.

[stanip]

VJ, the toggle still working on my new Qtek rom ok. When I rotate, the top bar comes back but the bottom bar is still hidden. The soft keyboard is not popping up in my testing if I set the registry value to "1" instead of "0". So far so good...

By the way, just want to ask a stupid question... (from a non-technical person)

Is this full screen functionality development effort needs to be done for each screen play type (e.g. "today" full screen needs separate effort from the "program menu" full screen)? I use Words, Excel, Notes...etc and it would be perfect if the full screen can work globally for all as the display real estate is just not enough. MS has the "hide" task-bar function for their previous PDA os but sad to see that it is not there in MW5.

I'd love the Small menu II and wish it were there for all apps on my Universal. Believe many MW5 users might even willing to pay for it if it is available... at least I do. A small fee to improve my eye-sight. :)

[vivi]

Still wait,the lateset version still appear the Keyboard icon on my device.

[stanip]

Sorry...I meant small icon II by VJ not small menu.

Vivi, have you tried set the registry value of lower bar to 1 instead of 0? I found that when I set it to zero, the soft keyboard keeps popping up.
But I am using a Universal with the latest Qtek rom. Not sure whether this works with other os or hardware. Still look forward to seeing the final version from VJ.

[vijay555]

Stanip: I made an app to toggle all apps fullscreen, a long time ago:
http://www.vijay555.com/vj/VJ6.jpg
(shown here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=144657#144657))

That ultimately turned into VJToggleToday I, and an app that I never released.

I didn't release it because basically the OS is designed around the premise of a 26 pixel start bar and a 26 pixel menu/softkey at the bottom. Some apps resize fine without this, others have minor cosmetic issues with it. As a result, I kept the release internal for now. However, a future version of VJToggleToday should hopefully permit fullscreen apps and some other Today tweaks as well. However, if you're in a hurry, I believe PocketMax's ButtonMax app allows it as well.

Other tweaks I did way back when, was HideStart (which is available on the forum, for WM2003), to relocate the tray icons in a toggle-able/hideable fashion:
http://www.vijay555.com/vj/HideStart/HideStart4.jpg

I use VJToggleToday I all the time, so the tray isn't visible to me ordinarily, so I use this to show the tray (only) when I need it.

VJSmallIcons has a particular use (small icons), but in fact, the fullscreen code I developed for that (which grew from VJFullscreenTSC) was much harder to implement then it is for most "normal" apps, despite its external simplicity :(

V

PS for those using the Treo, here's a screenshot:
http://home.comcast.net/~plasmo/700w_yesVJ.jpg
(from here (http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=111738&page=1&pp=20))

[FOSA]

vijay555


Sorry, just an old question.

What program are you using to display photo contacts on your Today's screen? Can the photo size be changed ie. smaller or bigger? If yes, how?


Thanks

[stanip]

VJ, thanks for sharing with us your great effort in the past. The full screen app feature would be really something that I look forward to get for my Universal.

I looked at maxbotton but apparently it is not yet working on MW5... the beta is not out yet.

Anyway, will wait for your Todaytoggle work to come out. Thanks again for your wonderful contribution to the PPC community.

[henk-jan]

The item started with:
Is it possible to relocate the lower taskbar where the bluetooth/running program icons sit??
I want to move it down into the softkey position as i have found a program to disable this from this site:
Is it possible to merge it with the "bar with soft keys" ? Because I want to have them both. (Using WA2 I need the "upper bar" )
Maybe it has been answered, but I couldn't find it.

[vijay555]

FOSA: that is an old question! I'm generally using claunch as my Today plugin. By default it takes 16x16 and 32x32 pixel images. It could be reprogrammed to take bigger if required.

stanip: sorry, didn't get any programming done yesterday (well, just added timer to VJCandela), I had to take Mrs Vijay555 to Stonehenge :)
Will be trying to do a bit more this weekend on this and a couple of other apps.
Fullscreen toggling on all apps may be released as an addon to this later, but I have in mind another app which will be just for that kind of stuff.

henk-jan: I didn't quite understand the question. How do you mean, merge the "bar" - merge the tray with softkeys? Not really. But you could shrink the softkeys to 2 pixels and the tray would fill the remaining space. Leave the Start Bar (top bar) as it is. This can be done (for now) by using a registry editor to edit the VJToggleToday II keys (discussed in the threads), to leave the start bar at 26 pixels high and softkeys to 2 pixels, etc.

V

[FOSA]

hi vijay555

Actually, I got another today plugin that can display photo contacts but the photos on the Today screen is just 5mm x 5mm....a bit too small to view the person's face clearly. Someone on this forum said that my plugin is meant for QVGA screen and thats why the photos are small

For my case is it possible to have say 10mm x 10mm photos on my today screen? If yes, I would appreciate if you could teach me how to go about in getting it done. My photos for contacts are taken in 320x480 and 640x480 resolutions

Thanks

[vijay555]

Fosa, I'm not really sure. I think you're using the Treo speeddial plugin we ripped right? I haven't looked into it further, I always want a WM2003/WM5 solution, and claunch has always been good to me.

Claunch icons are 32x32 pixels, so about 9mm on a QVGA screen. However, that's the maximum size it can use I think, so it'll be much smaller at VGA I imagine. The plugin could be re-written to give much larger icons, but it's not a very easy task.

I use claunch and use my own bitmaps. 32x32 is very small, so you have to edit the contact photos down to show the most available in that small size... not sure how else to help you?

V

[flippy]

How far away is a release of the app in topic here? Just thought we had gotten a little off topic here :D

[vijay555]

flippy: the alpha works. Final release, no idea. I do a bit here and there, but I do a bit here and there across approx > 12 different apps, so it all takes time... and I don't get much time to program these days :(

Not much to add to a "working" version other then an interface, for now, but that can be done by registry editing settings yourself for now.

V

[FOSA]

vijay555,

I think you're right about the ripped Treo speeddial plugin (can't remember where I got it too) :roll:

My PPC is the QTEK 9000 with a VGA screen

Quote

"Claunch icons are 32x32 pixels, so about 9mm on a QVGA screen"

Is that possible on my VGA Today's screen ie. 9mm x 9mm photo size? If yes, I'll switch to CLaunch for photo contacts

Thanks

[henk-jan]

Vijay555 wrote: But you could shrink the softkeys to 2 pixels and the tray would fill the remaining space. Leave the Start Bar (top bar) as it is. This can be done (for now) by using a registry editor to edit the VJToggleToday II keys (discussed in the threads), to leave the start bar at 26 pixels high and softkeys to 2 pixels, etc.
:oops: it's so simple: didn't read the threat good due to my bad English.
Thanks, it works great!! :o

[mccune]

I've tried VJToggleToday on my SPV M3000. I managed to get rid of the bottom 2 softkeys. Is there anyway to get them back? :lol:

I've tried the following programs:

VJToggleTodayIIalpha.exe -> nothing happens
ToggleNew.exe -> nothing happens
ToggleStart.exe -> the top dissapears ans appears after pressing again

Hope Vijay555 has a solution for me 8)

[vijay555]

mccune: right now, the alpha just reads your registry keys and sets the bar heights to those specified. Ie it doesn't toggle right now. I added a preliminary UI yesterday, but haven't released it yet, just want to test one or two things.

So, to answer your question - edit the registry keys to set the softkeys back to 26 pixels, run the alpha version again, and hey presto.

Obviously the release version won't be so clunky!

V

[mccune]

Thanks for the fast reply! It's fixed again ;)

I will keep an eye on your apps, they realy can make a life easier :D

[stanip]

VJ, after installing the new O2 rom formy universal, the text stops flow into the tray area now eventhough I have no icon there. Previously the qtek rom, the text flew into that empty area so the real estate was maximized. Any advice? Thanks.

[vijay555]

stanip : have you downloaded the latest version from the other thread?
Could you show a screenshot please?

V

[stanip]

VJ, the one I had was 10.5k in size. Does it look right? If not, kindly let me know where I can download the latest verson or email me at stanip@yahoo.com.
Thanks much!

[vivi]

Hi stanip,
It's here.
VJToggleTodayIIalpha0.1.5.exe(click link) (http://www.vijay555.com/vj/Releases/VJToggleTodayII/VJToggleTodayIIalpha0.1.5.exe)

From this thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=27331&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=vjtoggletoday&start=200)
:wink:

[stanip]

Thanks alot vivi for pointing me to the other thread. Didn't realize that there are so much more good stuff there. I had the same problem with the wall-paper.
By teh way, sorry to read about yourkeyboard pop-up problem remains unresolved. :(

[stanip]

VJ, problem solved with the latest version. I just love this utility! Thanks so much! :)

[vijay555]

:)

A condition of using this app is that you post a screenshot (if you can :wink:) Hopefully I'll be doing some more work on this this weekend. But I just started a new app yesterday, quite cool (or hot!). Coming soon.

V

[stanip]

VJ, certainly. Attached is a screen shot. By the way, I have tested it in both the latest qtek rom and the latest O2 rom and both are working great!
I need more space to see my calendar and tasks so I remove all icons in my tray to allow the bottom "tray" space to be used. Now with TodaytoggleII, once glance, I can see all my appointments and tasks each day vs. before, needed scrolling up & down. I think this tool is a must have...

Hey on the upcoming one, will full screen for all apps be included? I have been using Notes, calendar, excel, words ...etc alot and got the same problem of space utilisation on screen. Hope it would be there. Really really looking forward to that feature. :)

[vijay555]

VJToggleToday II will soon allow hiding of the tray, even if it's full of icons, for more space.

Fullscreen for all apps: It's something I've made before, long time ago,
http://www.vijay555.com/vj/VJ6.jpg
but didn't release because it has some odd effects on apps not designed for fullscreen. However, I will release it, in a redesigned form, in a seperate app... at some point after VJToggleToday II.

Very nice screenshot. I always use VGA, so it's nice to see a nice hires QVGA shot :) VJToggleToday was one of the first apps I wrote, (WM2003), and have almost never used a non fullscreen Today :wink:
I'm working on another app right now, on a promise to another friend, and then back on this app this weekend...

V

[stanip]

VJ, thanks! For the old version on 2003, did it work on Pocket Excel and Pocket Notes and Pocket Words?
The full screen gives the most benefit when using these 3 apps (of course after the "today" that you have already done).
I can tell it worked on Calendar from your screenshot which is wonderful! :)

[ed.dark]

vijay, do you have a sneak preview for that app to remove the top and bottom bars in any app? Ive gotta redo my rom on my m5000 anyway so i can test it for you!

[vijay555]

ed.dark: I was chatting today with Buzz: I've not programmed a single line of code this week - I've got a big meeting tomorrow, and a baby arriving in three weeks, so I've been fairly busy and Mrs Vijay555 has had me on lockdown, not allowed to code this week.

However, on Friday my curfew is lifted, so I'll be doing a few all nighters and try to get some new apps written. I've got around three new apps almost complete, several in progress, and many updates to finish (+ working on the new website, forum, file repository and blog, to replace my old corrupted one).

But, the new fullscreen app should be quite cool. I've got an alpha release, but it's not in any way ready for release, so I'd rather wait a little until I can get it tidied up. It'll be nice, I hope :)

V

[ed.dark]

Cool!

congrats on the baby-vijay for when he/she is here!

i guess you can get the kid on the coding within a week or 2!!!

Cheers

ed

[randomwalk101]

I installed VJToggleToday II alpha v.0.1.5 and everything works....except the relocated space where the icons used to be is now just dead space. Am I doing something wrong? Is there anyway to expand that desktop screen? See attached pic for detail (dead space = red box that i highlited). Thx.

[randomwalk101]

I installed VJToggleToday II alpha v.0.1.5 and everything works....except the relocated space where the icons used to be is now just dead space. Am I doing something wrong? Is there anyway to expand that desktop screen? See attached pic for detail (dead space = red box that i highlited). Thx.

I'm sorry I got excited and double posted. VJ answered the question and the answer can be found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=27331&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=225

btw, does anyone here with PPC and WM5 has the problem I'm facing? Thx.

[stevodude]

Yea when I first installed it, set pocketbreeze height an extra 20 pixels ( to fill the bottom extra 20 pixels) it worked fine, filled screen.
now after soft reset, bottom sip is 6 pixels (correct), but pocketbreeze still thinks the height is locked and puts a scroll bar instead of resizing o ful height.

exactly the same as randomwalk101

[BigDede]

Yea when I first installed it, set pocketbreeze height an extra 20 pixels ( to fill the bottom extra 20 pixels) it worked fine, filled screen.
now after soft reset, bottom sip is 6 pixels (correct), but pocketbreeze still thinks the height is locked and puts a scroll bar instead of resizing o ful height.

exactly the same as randomwalk101

Im having same problem with SPB Diary

[vijay555]

It's unlikely you can easily fix this issue - it's internal to the third party app; it (correctly) assumes the value/offset for the OS bars and assumes it needs a scrollbar.

You could force it, but it'd have to be on a case by case fix.

V