PUSH EMAIL

[rikram]

Can anybody help to define, How push email is setup? and how it can work on imate jasjar

[rob_van_triet]

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[deluxe]

Does anyone have any info on what is required from Exchange to set this push mail up. i.e. HTTPS access from web, etc

Also i am on vodafone so what would my device address be? i.e. sms://<number> etc? do you need this? :?

Thanks.

[deluxe]

Does anyone have any info on what is required from Exchange to set this push mail up. i.e. HTTPS access from web, etc

Also i am on vodafone so what would my device address be? i.e. sms://<number> etc? do you need this? :?

Thanks.

[djwillis]

Hi deluxe,

Can you tell us what version of Exchange you are pointing to and are you trying to configure the sync from the device or via the ActiveSync desktop wizard?

I assume you have a AKU2 ROM installed on your device.

Setting up push email is very easy to do provided you have a box running OWA with SP2 applied (ideally SP2 on all boxes but you can get away with it just on OWA and the server with your mailbox). The default settings on the Exchange end should be enough to get you going.

You mention you’re being prompted for the device address, which implies that Exchange is falling back to using “Always Up To Date” (i.e. sending an SMS to your device each time you get a new mail). This is almost definitely not what you want to use. Are you sure you have SP2 installed?

Anyway, I am rambling so here is a simple check list.

Exchange SP2 on the OWA/Mailbox servers.
AKU2 Windows Mobile 5 Rom on the device.
ActiveSync 4.1 on the PC if you use the PC wizard.
Synchronisation with Exchange working ‘before’ trying to configure Direct Push from the scheduling options.
Access to your OWA (or ISA etc.) server via whatever means you want to run Direct Push over (i.e. WiFi, GPRS Internet APN, Private APN etc.)

[Daimaou]

Do we have any idea on the impact on the Data bill regarding the Push ? (Of course it will depend on HOW MUCH spam you receive ;) ) but just having the PUSH always on, will this effect our data bill ?

Cheers

[deluxe]

I am running exchange 2003 sp2, but currently do not have access outside the company .i.e. i have not nated it out. i have the website running internally so i presume i just need to nat the server to a public address.

I was trying to use activesync to set this up, and i am running the new rom.


Hi deluxe,

Can you tell us what version of Exchange you are pointing to and are you trying to configure the sync from the device or via the ActiveSync desktop wizard?

I assume you have a AKU2 ROM installed on your device.

Setting up push email is very easy to do provided you have a box running OWA with SP2 applied (ideally SP2 on all boxes but you can get away with it just on OWA and the server with your mailbox). The default settings on the Exchange end should be enough to get you going.

You mention you’re being prompted for the device address, which implies that Exchange is falling back to using “Always Up To Date” (i.e. sending an SMS to your device each time you get a new mail). This is almost definitely not what you want to use. Are you sure you have SP2 installed?

Anyway, I am rambling so here is a simple check list.

Exchange SP2 on the OWA/Mailbox servers.
AKU2 Windows Mobile 5 Rom on the device.
ActiveSync 4.1 on the PC if you use the PC wizard.
Synchronisation with Exchange working ‘before’ trying to configure Direct Push from the scheduling options.
Access to your OWA (or ISA etc.) server via whatever means you want to run Direct Push over (i.e. WiFi, GPRS Internet APN, Private APN etc.)

[djwillis]

Do we have any idea on the impact on the Data bill regarding the Push ? (Of course it will depend on HOW MUCH spam you receive ;) ) but just having the PUSH always on, will this effect our data bill ?

In our simple tests your looking at about 10-12MB + mail volume on a stock config. You can make that a fair bit less by tweaking the heartbeat to a more reasonable 20-40 mins (knocks a few MB off, about 8MB + mail volume @ 40 min heartbeat).

I am running exchange 2003 sp2, but currently do not have access outside the company .i.e. i have not nated it out. i have the website running internally so i presume i just need to nat the server to a public address.

I was trying to use activesync to set this up, and i am running the new rom.


As I assume you don't have a private APN then without making the server public (via a firewall, ISA server or as a last result simple NAT) is the only way your going to make this work.

If you use SSL make sure the cert matches the public (internet) address of your server and that you have an approperate root cert installed on your device if you use an internal CA. You can use it over HTTP just fine but it's not secure in the least and I would not suggest it unless you had a private APN.

When you have the server exposed just get manual syncing over the air going from the device, then we can tackle DirectPush.

[beginner]

Does anyone have any info on what is required from Exchange to set this push mail up. i.e. HTTPS access from web, etc

Also i am on vodafone so what would my device address be? i.e. sms://<number> etc? do you need this? :?

Thanks.
I asked Vodafone Spain and they told me this service is not available for Vodafone, I can't understand. I'm planning to move Telefonica because they have it running.

[Tron_Of_Borg]

Do we have any idea on the impact on the Data bill regarding the Push ? (Of course it will depend on HOW MUCH spam you receive ;) ) but just having the PUSH always on, will this effect our data bill ?

Cheers

From the speed of receive the e-mail in the TS2 demo's I've seen, would you agree that Exchange is pushing the email before the filters can scrub it? I think this would be an area of huge improvement if MS would conduct the push later down in the process of receiving/delivering the e-mail.

[jmcl]

Does anyone have any info on what is required from Exchange to set this push mail up. i.e. HTTPS access from web, etc

Also i am on vodafone so what would my device address be? i.e. sms://<number> etc? do you need this? :?

Thanks.
I asked Vodafone Spain and they told me this service is not available for Vodafone, I can't understand. I'm planning to move Telefonica because they have it running.

I dont really get the point here. I mean, Vodafone offers REAL MAIL, isnt it the same as Push mail?

[beginner]

Does anyone have any info on what is required from Exchange to set this push mail up. i.e. HTTPS access from web, etc

Also i am on vodafone so what would my device address be? i.e. sms://<number> etc? do you need this? :?

Thanks.
I asked Vodafone Spain and they told me this service is not available for Vodafone, I can't understand. I'm planning to move Telefonica because they have it running.

I dont really get the point here. I mean, Vodafone offers REAL MAIL, isnt it the same as Push mail?

jmcl: REAL MAIL is a service provided by vodafone supporting imap or pop3 mail, in the case you haven't a corporate exchange server or lotus. If you have some corporative mail server, with an exchange server, vodafone doesn't add value. In this case should be nice to have a mail address where you can receive sms, in other words, imagine a mail address that is connected directly to your sms inbox. There are other applications -for example verichat- that use this sms/mail address in order to send your device messages when you are not online.

[pukka]

does anyone have the setting for o2 in the uk?

Thanks

Paul :D

[simx]

I have a trial account with 4smartphone , push mail works great.
Although I adjusted syncing schedule from my JasJar to "As Items arrive" , it keeps syncing every 10 to 15 minutes!!
any ideas?

[Carnivor]

I have a trial account with 4smartphone , push mail works great.
Although I adjusted syncing schedule from my JasJar to "As Items arrive" , it keeps syncing every 10 to 15 minutes!!
any ideas?

its not push mail unless its "As Items arrive", its just normal activesync checking,

also need the direct push enabled for it.

it does rock tho i have mine set to "As Items arrive" for peak and manual for offpeak, as im on the machine i use the account on in the evenings, so its basically now set for push mail in my working hours and manual when im at home,

[ratcom]

I have a trial account with 4smartphone , push mail works great.
Although I adjusted syncing schedule from my JasJar to "As Items arrive" , it keeps syncing every 10 to 15 minutes!!
any ideas?I believe this is due to the heartbeat, mine seems to do the same thing....

[simx]

thanks Carnivor,
but Im still confused, Direct push is enabled on my device (its yellow) and "as item arrives" is checked also, yet it keeps on syncying every 10 or 15 minutes!!
I thought it will only sync whenever I really have mail, if it keeps syncing every 10 minutes I will probably not use it because of the extreme high cost of GPRS

[simx]

Sorry for the novice question but what is heartbeat!!

[ratcom]

Sorry for the novice question but what is heartbeat!!a heartbeat is something the exchange server sends to your phone to make sure its still connected and everything is ok, what you are seeing is not a sync its just letting you know when the last heartbeat saw recieved. I think :oops: if anyone knows different please let me know ;)

[Carnivor]

ahh i see what you mean now, im sure i saw on the 4smartphone site that its 5mb/month data tarriff required, one could assume this is 24/7 heartbeat monitoring without the actual cost of transfering emails, that will be added ontop of the initial 5mb. its a theory

[ratcom]

ahh i see what you mean now, im sure i saw on the 4smartphone site that its 5mb/month data tarriff required, one could assume this is 24/7 heartbeat monitoring without the actual cost of transfering emails, that will be added ontop of the initial 5mb. its a theoryThats bang on the money as I see it

[simx]

I just Installed SPB GPRS monitor to check the real consumption
will report back when I have aome figures

[simx]

This is from 4smartphone FAQ
"2MB/month (Mega Bytes) is enough for most users. We recommend you start with the least expensive plan available and upgrade only if necessary."

[ratcom]

dont really bother me as I have 55 meg per month package, however I am interested on just how much is used.

[simx]

From what I see till now on GPRS monitor, it seems it may consume up to 3 or 4 MB per day!!
will keep on checking

[Carnivor]

that so not what i wanted to here, best not be true, i so cant afford 150mb/month based on 5mb a day

[jmcl]

Does anyone have any info on what is required from Exchange to set this push mail up. i.e. HTTPS access from web, etc

Also i am on vodafone so what would my device address be? i.e. sms://<number> etc? do you need this? :?

Thanks.
I asked Vodafone Spain and they told me this service is not available for Vodafone, I can't understand. I'm planning to move Telefonica because they have it running.

I dont really get the point here. I mean, Vodafone offers REAL MAIL, isnt it the same as Push mail?

jmcl: REAL MAIL is a service provided by vodafone supporting imap or pop3 mail, in the case you haven't a corporate exchange server or lotus. If you have some corporative mail server, with an exchange server, vodafone doesn't add value. In this case should be nice to have a mail address where you can receive sms, in other words, imagine a mail address that is connected directly to your sms inbox. There are other applications -for example verichat- that use this sms/mail address in order to send your device messages when you are not online.

got it, thanks! :o

[Riel]

I use pushmail (20 euros month, 10MB datalimit for ALL gprs).

Mailtraffic is very little. Not the entire message is pushed. Mostly first 2kb, attachments I don't open. You have the option to download the message completedly.

I use my providers' account, and my gmail account, hotmail is no problem too, in fact, almost every account seems to work just fine.

I need 300 mails to get 1 MB so the 10mb datalimit is always enough.


The VPA uses a special program (push manager) to make the connection and it works on all ROM's, now i have it working on T-mobile rom without problems. Just install and ready. You need a vodafone account offcourse.

[francorg]

that so not what i wanted to here, best not be true, i so cant afford 150mb/month based on 5mb a day

I think you misunderstood.

From my testing the "keep alive" packet (the http request sent to the exchange server) is like 2-3kb each.
This means that if we can set a heartbeat of 30min = 3kb x 48times 30 min = 144kb/day x 31 days = 4.464kb/month
To optimize it you may also configure the push email to run just during peak times i.e. 9am - 9pm = 12hours = 4.464kb / 2 = 2.232kb/month

To this volume you have to add the downloaded emails/attachments.

I'm testing how to setup this heartbeat interval possibly on the device thus not having administrator privilege on Exchange Server.

I think that if we can set heartbeat to 30mins it won't be such a big volume consumption.

Roberto

[deluxe]

As I assume you don't have a private APN then without making the server public (via a firewall, ISA server or as a last result simple NAT) is the only way your going to make this work.

If you use SSL make sure the cert matches the public (internet) address of your server and that you have an approperate root cert installed on your device if you use an internal CA. You can use it over HTTP just fine but it's not secure in the least and I would not suggest it unless you had a private APN.

When you have the server exposed just get manual syncing over the air going from the device, then we can tackle DirectPush


So if i nat out the sp2 server for HTTPS, Give it a record with our isp i.e. mail.whatever.com and the setup a cert for this and set the pda to sync with that address i would be going in the right direction?

I dont have a private apn. Is their anyway i can restrict access to a few devices if i do nat this out? i.e. client certificates or something
Thanks

[Churchill]

Do we have any idea on the impact on the Data bill regarding the Push ? (Of course it will depend on HOW MUCH spam you receive ;) ) but just having the PUSH always on, will this effect our data bill ?

Cheers

From the speed of receive the e-mail in the TS2 demo's I've seen, would you agree that Exchange is pushing the email before the filters can scrub it? I think this would be an area of huge improvement if MS would conduct the push later down in the process of receiving/delivering the e-mail.

Tron_Of_Borg!

By me the Intelligent message filter kicks in before the mail is delivered anywhere. It is on the SMTP level. Also I beleive if you setup the filters (no matter which) correctly you are filtering on the SMTP and that is all the way before the messages actually enter your organisation in Exchange!!!

[Churchill]

Do we have any idea on the impact on the Data bill regarding the Push ? (Of course it will depend on HOW MUCH spam you receive ;) ) but just having the PUSH always on, will this effect our data bill ?

In our simple tests your looking at about 10-12MB + mail volume on a stock config. You can make that a fair bit less by tweaking the heartbeat to a more reasonable 20-40 mins (knocks a few MB off, about 8MB + mail volume @ 40 min heartbeat).

I am running exchange 2003 sp2, but currently do not have access outside the company .i.e. i have not nated it out. i have the website running internally so i presume i just need to nat the server to a public address.

I was trying to use activesync to set this up, and i am running the new rom.


As I assume you don't have a private APN then without making the server public (via a firewall, ISA server or as a last result simple NAT) is the only way your going to make this work.

If you use SSL make sure the cert matches the public (internet) address of your server and that you have an approperate root cert installed on your device if you use an internal CA. You can use it over HTTP just fine but it's not secure in the least and I would not suggest it unless you had a private APN.

When you have the server exposed just get manual syncing over the air going from the device, then we can tackle DirectPush.

djwillis!

Can you please elaborate on "Tweaking the Heartbit" I have read about it on the Geekzone but also want to hear from others as well.

[zavalza]

Can someone please help me to understand How smartphone works?

I set up an account but I use my Hotmail account and forwarding another email address however I cant connect and sync my device because in the sync screen it says Waiting for network and in the status says the server can't be reached and put this error code: 0x80072EFD

I'm using the Wifi network to work with this

I don't have Firewall or closed ports on the AP

Please help me

REgards

[urksaddy]

I'm in the USA.

Anyone have a solution for me?

I have an unlimited dataplan from tmobile usa. I don't have to worry about sms costs...I just need someone that can provide the service for me...

[Churchill]

well try to google for Hosted exchange.

I beleive there are some available staring as low as 9,99 per month and first month is aways a trial

[hbahaie]

I have an email account on clubimate.com server, I can sync my mailbox on regular schedule, but no mail is pushed to me, may anyone tell me how to make this pushemail work for me?? Thanks

[Carnivor]

take the 14 day trial on 4smartphone.net will work with almost any mail account

[hbahaie]

take the 14 day trial on 4smartphone.net will work with almost any mail account

Thanks a lot, does it work even if my GSM provider doesn't provide the service of push email?

[Carnivor]

yup, all you need is grps connection and off you go

[adesonic]

I have just signed with 4smartphone.com having recently implemented the rom upgrade on my jas jar. I have opted for the $6.99 per month "pro" package and so far I am mightily impressed. It is like having continuous sync not just on email but on contacts and calendar as well. It seems pretty fast (items typically appear on both desk top and jas jar within 60 seconds) and reliable - my only slight concern is the impact it will have on my voda bill, I have restricted "peak times" in the sync schedule to try to minimise the impact on costs - I await the next bill!!!!

[adesonic]

I have just signed with 4smartphone.com having recently implemented the rom upgrade on my jas jar. I have opted for the $6.99 per month "pro" package and so far I am mightily impressed. It is like having continuous sync not just on email but on contacts and calendar as well. It seems pretty fast (items typically appear on both desk top and jas jar within 60 seconds) and reliable - my only slight concern is the impact it will have on my voda bill, I have restricted "peak times" in the sync schedule to try to minimise the impact on costs - I await the next bill!!!!

[Carnivor]

yep, im awaiting my next bill too, its gonna be ugly, i dont even have any inclusive mb in my tarriff.

[hbahaie]

Thank u carnivor for ur help, what happened with me is as the folowing:

- Registerd in xpress account
- waited few hours for confirmation mail with no hope.
- sent an email to support, so, they sent me the confirmation mail
- logged inn to my account once without any links to any settings.
- logged out and tried to log again but it refused till now.

strange, right?

[aghazi]

Guys i don't have "As Items arrive" option in scheduling. Why is this so?

Regards,
AG

[acetuk]

I've just upgrade to the latest rom as well and am trying the push connection (I've not called it push mail as it pushes everything) with 4smartphone.

Last night, my first night of doing this, my usage was massive - over 2mb for one night compared to the normal 200kb for the whole day.

Since then I have soft reset the device and everything looks to be much better now - 10kb each hour. It's a bit scary though to see my usage in one night be about 8 times my normal total day usage.

Is there a way to tweak 4smartphone's heartbeat?

[Carnivor]

Guys i don't have "As Items arrive" option in scheduling. Why is this so?

Regards,
AG


sounds like youve already partnered with your pc, remove it so theres no partnerships on the phone, setup the exchange first, then you can do it, i fell into that till someone here pointed me in right direction

[aghazi]

I found the problem. I was using the clubimate server. Somehow jasjar didn't show that option with their exchange server. I used 4smartphone.net account and there it was. But now i have another issue. Although i have checked as items arrive yet it doesn't seem to work. I have to manually sync to get the mail.

Any idea?

Regards,
AG

[numanoids]

I'd remove all exchange server settings from the device and start again from scratch and make sure you are connecting to 4smartphone's servers.

[aghazi]

Problem is with 4smartphone's pop retrieval system. It is not pulling emails from my pop3 account. Confirmed this via thier outlook web interface. No emails there.

I sent email to their support team and got the msg that it was blocked by their mail filter! Look like their mail filter is blocking accounts even those being used in 4smartphone.net push service!

AG

[rikram]

I am using 4smartphone trial push email with yahoo mail forwarding and it is smoothly working.

I think your basic mail provider does not supoort mail forwarding otherwise it should work.

Can anybody suggest a free push mail server?

[aghazi]

rikram,

I am using forward and pop functionality on that account for last two years. No problem at all. Even working right now. Strange thing is that I also tried to use 4smartphone with my hotmail account but no success.

Regards,
AG

[rikram]

I would suggest you to

1-just copy and paste forwarding address (provided in 4smartphone email upon confirmation) on your basic email account forward.

2-re setup push mail server on your pocket pc (manual settings).

[asci]

" Although i have checked as items arrive yet it doesn't seem to work. I have to manually sync to get the mail.
Any idea?
Regards"

"Problem is with 4smartphone's pop retrieval system. It is not pulling emails from my pop3 account. Confirmed this via thier outlook web interface. No emails there.

I sent email to their support team and got the msg that it was blocked by their mail filter! Look like their mail filter is blocking accounts even those being used in 4smartphone.net push service!"

AG

Hi
I have the same problems, not only with 4smartphone but also with mail2web.com, that gives free service. About the last one, it happens that with gmail, no way to have it to run. With Tiscali, an italian account, I can anly push my mail manually. I mean that if I sync manually on my JasJar, I got all my mail, but no way to have it authomatically. Please help!

[belfast-biker]

OK, so I need Exchange 2003.. is that something that can be installed on XP?

[dreamtheater39]

OK, so I need Exchange 2003.. is that something that can be installed on XP?

Thats something which is installed on your webserver! If your webserver is running linux, you might as well forget it....if its running windows server, then you could install exchange onto it....

S

[belfast-biker]

OK, so I need Exchange 2003.. is that something that can be installed on XP?

Thats something which is installed on your webserver! If your webserver is running linux, you might as well forget it....if its running windows server, then you could install exchange onto it....

S



Hmm... can XP be a web server?

[Churchill]

belfast-biker!

XP can be a web server but Exchange shall not install on it. You nee a server OS for that. Besides if you are considering exchange it is advisory to use Active directory with it, so if it is only for one mailbox then just get one of those accounts that provide the exchange hosting. If you own a domain in most of the cases you could use it to set up your exchage hosting

[belfast-biker]

belfast-biker!

XP can be a web server but Exchange shall not install on it. You nee a server OS for that. Besides if you are considering exchange it is advisory to use Active directory with it, so if it is only for one mailbox then just get one of those accounts that provide the exchange hosting. If you own a domain in most of the cases you could use it to set up your exchage hosting



OK, I think you just ruled out Push Email for 90% of the SME customers I sell to.

Blackberry still wins.

[Churchill]

Setting up a Machine running Windows server 2003 and Exchange is really quite simple. All you need the hardware and the software and most important licenses :)

But may I ask: you are running SME and prvide email service to others ??