Using the onboard GPS. good news and so so news.

[supervette]

Spoke with an engineer at Qualcomm who makes most of the 911 GPS devices for the phones. They did say that there is a way to access it and use it with consumer GPS programs. However they said it was a secret and they couldn't say how. They did however say that each provider disables it in their own way. At least I know it's possible now.

[topcaser]

Spoke with an engineer at Qualcomm who makes most of the 911 GPS devices for the phones. They did say that there is a way to access it and use it with consumer GPS programs. However they said it was a secret and they couldn't say how. They did however say that each provider disables it in their own way. At least I know it's possible now.
What do you want to tell us? That the Wizard has a built in GPS? Did you read the Spec of TI's OMAP CPU and seen that there is a GPS block?

I suppose that the developers have omit the antenna. Without antenna no GPS signal and therefore nothing to compute.

[lutzs]

"I want to believe" says Agent Mulders Poster in his room in the FBI HQ...

I don't believe in this "emergency GPS" in all Handys. It's like beeing catched by Aliens...

A Phone can be located over the GSM network by looking at the radio station it's connected to.

[supervette]

The e911 gps feature is real. It provides more accurate locations for cellphone calls than triangulation so I read. Besides why would an engineer at Qualcomm lie? We talked in as much detail as we could.

[supervette]

What do you want to tell us? That the Wizard has a built in GPS? Did you read the Spec of TI's OMAP CPU and seen that there is a GPS block?

I suppose that the developers have omit the antenna. Without antenna no GPS signal and therefore nothing to compute.[/quote]

No I haven't read that, could you post a link? I am new to the MDA.

[lutzs]

in the service manual i can't see anything that looks like a GPS chip or something, and btw, i think it would cost to much battery power!

[Jerry-S]

I have absolutely no idea about the picture I am going to post a link to, but have a look.

Look at the upper right corner next to the IRDA bit.

Could there be truth to this thread???


http://msmobiles.com/f/viewtopic.php?t=9056

[lvlolvlo]

lutz,

the e911 gps chip isn't "always-on"

it on only activated with a user dials 911....there has been a porven hack that enables this by a user re-programming their phone to think that 922 is 911 and thereby dialing 911 would enable the GPS coordinants displayng htem on the phone.

*edit*
A quick google search shows this:
http://www.cellphonehacks.com/viewtopic.php?t=25480&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30

Also just in case this site smashes that site I'm attaching the PDF's to the forums first 3 pages (at the time that was all the pages)

[lutzs]

ok there maybe is a AGPS like feature in the second thread mentioned. but in the wizard there is not such thing. the picture in the first thread is only a architecture overview.

[ScottC]

Spoke with an engineer at Qualcomm who makes most of the 911 GPS devices for the phones. They did say that there is a way to access it and use it with consumer GPS programs. However they said it was a secret and they couldn't say how. They did however say that each provider disables it in their own way. At least I know it's possible now.

Qualcomm makes GPS for CDMA and EVDO handhelds, NOT GSM phones. The GSM network uses triangulation for positioning. The engineer was full of donkey doodoo.

There IS NO GPS hardware in the Wizard.

[jok3sta]

i did a registry tweak to my mda that enables settings for gps in the connection settings. so i know there is gps software on the wizard. why would tmobile have that on there if there isnt any gps hardware??

[Jerry-S]

Could you say what the registry name / value is?

TBH, I know I posted the block diagram link, but as I don't understand those things.................

I can't see the wizard having a gps part as surely with the increase in
sat-nav consumers, it would have been an extremely positive selling point.

It's like selling an old jacket on e-bay and not mentioning the stash of cash in the pockets!! :wink:

[lutzs]

the GPS setting in the connections menu is for controlling an external (bluetooth) GPS. This feature is new and on every WM5 Device ; )

[Drifter]

This diagram only shows what is capable with the OMP850 processor, this wil not say that it’s in our Wizzard.
If you look into the service manual posted in another thread you will see that there is no internal antenna for a GPS receiver.
So the GPS hardware isn’t onboard the Wizzard.

If you look closer to the diagram you can even see more functions of the Omap850.

WLAN A/B/G
Serial port
U-wire port for a secondary display

Except for WLAN B/G the rest isn’t in our Wizzard.

Cheers,

Drifter

http://focus.ti.com/graphics/wtbu/blockdiagrams/l4_omap850.gif

[Jerry-S]

the GPS setting in the connections menu is for controlling an external (bluetooth) GPS. This feature is new and on every WM5 Device ; )

I have never seen this, could you explain some more please?

And looking at that picture ends me back to another thread I startedon here regarding whether or not the miniSD slot is SDIO enabled.

[lutzs]

take a look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=260882

On my ipaq hx2110 the menu was default on, but on the wizard you must enable it.

[Drifter]

Hi Jerry,

The picture you see is what is capable with the chip made by Texas Instruments.
But the designers of the HTC Wizzard haven’t used all the properties of the OMPA850 processor so there are a lot of extra’s who aren’t used.

This is also the case with the GPS receiver witch can be used on board of the Wizzard but it isn’t by design.

The Chip can handle SDIO but if the designer disables it software wise or use on interface connected to the Chip that isn’t SDIO capable then it isn’t there.

I can give you an example.
Years ago I had a VCR but I couldn’t buy the one I would have so I bought a cheaper one in the same series.
Mechanical it was the same but there where a few switches let then the one I had in mind.
After opening the cover there where on the PCB board holes where there used to be switches for the more expensive one.
After some DIY I discovered that only the switch was missing but not the software in the VCR itself.
So I had the more expensive one for less money.

Cheers,

Drifter

[Drifter]

Hi Jerry,

The picture you see is what is capable with the chip made by Texas Instruments.
But the designers of the HTC Wizzard haven’t used all the properties of the OMPA850 processor so there are a lot of extra’s who aren’t used.

This is also the case with the GPS receiver witch can be used on board of the Wizzard but it isn’t by design.

The Chip can handle SDIO but if the designer disables it software wise or use on interface connected to the Chip that isn’t SDIO capable then it isn’t there.

I can give you an example.
Years ago I had a VCR but I couldn’t buy the one I would have so I bought a cheaper one in the same series.
Mechanical it was the same but there where a few switches let then the one I had in mind.
After opening the cover there where on the PCB board holes where there used to be switches for the more expensive one.
After some DIY I discovered that only the switch was missing but not the software in the VCR itself.
So I had the more expensive one for less money.

Cheers,

Drifter

[Jerry-S]

take a look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=260882

On my ipaq hx2110 the menu was default on, but on the wizard you must enable it.

Bonus. Thanks.

I can't seem to find the REG hack for activating the voice dial / commands over BT headset.

:D Any ideas? :D Please. LOL. :D

[Jerry-S]

Ignore above, found it. Yippeeeeeeee

[Jerry-S]

Ignore above, found it. Yippeeeeeeee

[elyl]

In other news, an HTC "insider" told me that there's a reg hack that turns your Wizard into a 3G-capable phone, and there's actually a second video camera hidden between the GSM/Bluetooth lights to allow video conferencing. This must be true because I've just told you, and why would the HTC insider lie to me? Huh? Huh??

[lutzs]

yeah really good one :lol: :lol: :lol:

[topcaser]

In other news, an HTC "insider" told me that there's a reg hack that turns your Wizard into a 3G-capable phone, and there's actually a second video camera hidden between the GSM/Bluetooth lights to allow video conferencing. This must be true because I've just told you, and why would the HTC insider lie to me? Huh? Huh??
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Jerry-S]

Ha ha. I like the camera stuff. lol.

I know what you are all trying to point out, and its good, but i'd just like to say "I didn't start the thread!" Lol.

I'm just showing my interest.

As for the SDIO question, is there a way to try it? An adapter maybe? miniSD -> SD ?

[elyl]

You are perfectly welcome to crack the Wizard case open and try soldering some connectors for SDIO or full-size SD onto the motherboard, or existing miniSD connector. My suggestion is: don't.

I believe the Magician had the logic available to support 2 separate SD cards, but no-one was ever brave/stupid enough to attempt a workable solution.

And just to seriously address the GPS claim - first of all, why would HTC put the hardware for GPS in a phone but deactivate it? How many extra units would they shift if people knew it had built-in GPS?
And the GPS used in e911 systems (like the one on the cellphonehacks link above) are A-GPS, which is almost bog-standard in 3G phones. The chip used for A-GPS is far less sophisticated than any standalone or dedicated GPS receiver - as such, it only works where there is cellular network coverage, and it relies on the network to triangulate and assist in pinning down the location of the phone. A-GPS is very poor at tracking a moving object - see, for example, the services that many 3G operators provide - you can download a static map of the local area, but rarely does the map track the dynamic location of the user, and even rarer, does it track it well (well enough for navigation usage).

A-GPS is basically a more sophisticated GSM-triangulation system, which offloads the actual brains of working out your position to the cellular network, and is best suited to working out your position at a specific time - it is not suited to tracking and navigating.

[Jerry-S]

You are perfectly welcome to crack the Wizard case open and try soldering some connectors for SDIO or full-size SD onto the motherboard, or existing miniSD connector. My suggestion is: don't.

Open the case!!!!, god no. :D

I was thinking more along the lines of making a pcb to go into the miniSD slot and feed the lines out to a SD size carrier.

I know any prototype would look ugly, but if it worked I would then go on to creating a back panel with holes for the camera and lamp.

The main snag is that if you think logically about it, and SD device would be backwards and upside down.

[elyl]

What would you hope to achieve with an SD expansion anyway, out of interest?

[Jerry-S]

What would you hope to achieve with an SD expansion anyway, out of interest?

Well as far as I am aware, there are few, if any, miniSD expansions available as yet.

I am interested in trying various things but mainly I just want to see if I can actually do it and make it look half decent.

As an additional note, there is a comapany that have just released a SDIO Tv Tuner card for PDA's. I can't remember what size SD socket it used, but if manufacturers stay with the full size SD form factor then wouldn't it be good to use the same stuff on the Mini as a regular PDA?

Just for the sheer hell of it mainly though. :lol:

Not to mention, I have a couple of 512MB SD cards floating about.

[elyl]

There are not many useful SD expansions available, in my opinion. I've got a Bluetooth GPS, and I've got internal wifi. I've seen the TV tuner - it is mighty big and ugly - I can live without TV while I'm away from my TV.

[GeekBrat]

Spoke with an engineer at Qualcomm who makes most of the 911 GPS devices for the phones. They did say that there is a way to access it and use it with consumer GPS programs. However they said it was a secret and they couldn't say how. They did however say that each provider disables it in their own way. At least I know it's possible now.

Qualcomm makes GPS for CDMA and EVDO handhelds, NOT GSM phones. The GSM network uses triangulation for positioning. The engineer was full of donkey doodoo.

There IS NO GPS hardware in the Wizard.

I realize this is an older thread, but felt I should mention, there us a US Federal FCC Regulation requiring all Digital Mobile Phones to come equiped with a e911 GPS because they feel that triangulation is slow and not as acurate as the GPS reciver can be. This is reguardless of what type of network it is.

BTW, should I mention, that the new GMS/GPRS 3G replacement UMTS is based upon CDMA technology which was pionered by Qualcom. Things are NOT nearly as different as you think.

[GeekBrat]

Spoke with an engineer at Qualcomm who makes most of the 911 GPS devices for the phones. They did say that there is a way to access it and use it with consumer GPS programs. However they said it was a secret and they couldn't say how. They did however say that each provider disables it in their own way. At least I know it's possible now.

Qualcomm makes GPS for CDMA and EVDO handhelds, NOT GSM phones. The GSM network uses triangulation for positioning. The engineer was full of donkey doodoo.

There IS NO GPS hardware in the Wizard.

I realize this is an older thread, but felt I should mention, there us a US Federal FCC Regulation requiring all Digital Mobile Phones to come equiped with a e911 GPS because they feel that triangulation is slow and not as acurate as the GPS reciver can be. This is reguardless of what type of network it is.

BTW, should I mention, that the new GMS/GPRS 3G replacement UMTS is based upon CDMA technology which was pionered by Qualcom. Things are NOT nearly as different as you think.