TV / Radio on HTC Uni's

[jmdrizen]

Does anyone know anything about the release date, or whether the devices have been released.... for the Pocket PC that allows you to watch live TV feed via the SDIO Port?

I know there was a company that said March 06, but they've sorta gone quiet... there's radio devices out there, and devices for the PALM or CF Card... But anyone know anything about one that will be compatible with the MDA Pro???

:-/

[simon_darley]

Tv and Radio only via WIFI or 3G connections via subscriptions or internet based feeds only.

dont know any that will allow this via an SDIO slot, but would be interested if found, suspect if used it will be a massive battery drain.

[jmdrizen]

There was something meant to have been released in March:

http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4782.html

But can't find anything else about it... :-(

[Celestial]

If you want access to TV/Sat/Cable or your DVD player you might want to try this.

http://www.slingmedia.com/

It has a mobile player.

[jmdrizen]

If you want access to TV/Sat/Cable or your DVD player you might want to try this.

http://www.slingmedia.com/

It has a mobile player.

Is there anything cheaper than $249 :-/ ??

[ady]

here is the site:

http://www.eopstech.com/eops/index.html

doesn't open on my side (looks like it's hosted on a dialup connection :lol: )

[jmdrizen]

doesn't open on my side (looks like it's hosted on a dialup connection :lol: )

Doesn't open on my side either :-( Is this somewhere that sells them? Makes them??..

[lloydcody]

Hi to everyone on the forum. This is my first post. I'm recently the owner of a new HTC Universal (T-mob MDA Pro).

Just thought I'd let you kno - I'm a PhD student working on mobile digital TV. I'm working in 2 European projects aimed at delivering mobile digital tv based at Brunel University. I currently have one of the digital TV SDIO receivers mentioned here. It's a prototype from a company called DibCom. It's a DVB-H receiver. DVB-H sends boradcast data in bursts so a receiver only has to be powered in bursts thus saving battery life. DVB-H braodcasts were tested in Oxford not so long ago. DVB-H broadcasts are not gonna be around until a few years yet so to test the chip I have to set up my own digital DVB-H channel and broadcast to myself! I'm working on user interface terminal applications, middleware and protocols. My job is to create the interactive side of the broadcasts - basically creating the interactive services like you see with regular DVB-T freeview only for mobile devices (and hopefully much better!). So interactive sports, shopping, gaming etc can all be done on your mobile device. That's the plan anyway! I'll try to attach a pic of the prototype chip here (taken with my MDA PRo!)



All the best guys!

LLOYDY

[skunkey]

cool sounding job man.

what do you believe the DVB-H reception will be like, I find freeview starts to go all blocky when its windy so I have no idea what DVB-H will be like if i was on the move (maybe on the bus or something).

[lloydcody]

Well this is why also the reason we needed a new technology to deliver to mobile devices. DVB-H doesn't need line-of-sight to the transmitter like DVB-T does. It will use "transmitter" and "receiver diversity" so that one strong signal can be singled out from lots of signal echoes and bounces. It is designed specifically for mobile use. One of the projects I'm working in is called PLUTO (Physical Layer DVB (that's the U!) Transmission Optimisation) where we're working on this exact issue. See http://www.ist-pluto.org for more info on this. The second project deals with broadcasting applications and user interfaces voe rthe new network etc and is called INSTINCT World (due to commence in September). INSTINCT World is a world-wide project with China being the newest member so far.

But... we'll soon see! All the best,

LLOYDY

[jmdrizen]

So if this isn't coming out for ages.... why was msnmobiles saying the device for Pocket PC will be out March 06?

And there's already one out for the PALM devices using the CF card...

:-/

[jeeb75]

If you have windows xp media center you can use www.orb.com for live tv and whatever media files you have on your pc. I use it all the time to watch sports while my wife is shopping at the mall. EDGE speeds are adequate to watch but it is a little hard to read the scores on my wizard. If you can get onto a wifi connection the picture comes in perfect. The program tests your internet speed connections so gives you the best picture for your internet speeds. Best of all it is free and works really well.

[lloydcody]

Sorry for being misleading: I wasn't saying the devices won't be out until next year (I've had mine for well over a year now), I was referring to the broadcasts - broadcasting in the UK (and most of Western Europe I believe) won't start until next year sometime (I'm unsure about the USA). DVB-H still hasn't got a designated broadcast radio band yet. This is all still up in the air. I'm sure there are many companies about to release or have already released the receiver chips. Nokia have released their DVB-H capable phones already and I have been working with a few of them. Only thing is they use their own proprietary software and drivers which cost $$$. I'm working to develop an open standard across the board and eagerly awaiting the JSR272 (a proposed API from Java ready for mobile television and multimedia). As you can see the Digital TV Group is a member of the projects I'm working in and these are the people who set the digial TV standards.

@Jeeb75:
The media streaming your referring to though is Internet streaming. This is completely different and is an inefficient use of internet traffic/bandwidth (until internet router broadcasting protocols are properly used at least). With DVB-H you will get clear, crisp Digital TV and services over-the-air just like you can pick up a standard TV channel a home. Thanks for the info tho - I enjoy getting TV streams on my Universal.

Again, I apologise for the misunderstanding. Hope this helps!

LLOYDY

[jmdrizen]

Just in case anyone's interested in this, just found out from the manufacturer, that the items are available now, and work on analogue signals, so will work now too.

USD$150 is the price at the mo, which isn't toooo bad when you think of how much a portable TV would cost...

I'm gonna order one, and if anyone want's to know about it, will update this in due course

Dave.

[philtech44]

Just in case anyone's interested in this, just found out from the manufacturer, that the items are available now, and work on analogue signals, so will work now too.

USD$150 is the price at the mo, which isn't toooo bad when you think of how much a portable TV would cost...

I'm gonna order one, and if anyone want's to know about it, will update this in due course

Dave.


More info/details please

[ice_coffee]

I checked out dibcoms website, from what I can tell, they are only making the internal chipset for the all in one analogue and DVB h tuner, not any ready to sell devices

[nedge2k]

I'm currently reviewing the SDIO analogue TV tuner from Eopstech. Both its power and sound is off-board due to the bandwidth limitations of SDIO.

Also, due to the bandwidth limitations, the bigger the screen size, the lower the frame rate. On my Magician in portrait mode, its very good. It slows down a bit in landscape. On the Universal in landscape it can be quite gittery but still watchable. The most annoying thing about it is the external battery pack which is quite bulky and only lasts 2.5hrs. However, you can plug headphones, power and an external aerial into it.


lloydcody: can you upload the pictures you posted to the forum itself or resize them pls.

[moghisi101]

lloydcody, couldn't you lose your job by disclosing those pics on here? I would take tehm down if I was you..... (although I wouldn't know if you have signed a NDA)

[lloydcody]

I haven't got a job - I'm a student! Just thought I'd let you guys know that mobile TV is soon on its way. There's nothing wrong with the pics. This is not a hush-hush project - far from it. I'm part of an open standards project not some secret corporate prototyping.

You can buy one of these chips yourself if you're interested - though they're not cheap!

@nedge2k
What do you want me to do with pics?

LLOYDY

[moghisi101]

LOL. Sorry, and thanks for clearing that one up. How much are the chips?

[lloydcody]

I think the one I have was about £600 (I didn't pay obv)! Though that was a while ago now. DibCom can give you a price if you ask them I'm sure. Cheaper to buy three phones with it built in! This is pricey as it has all the APIs ready for development. As soon as JSR272 is ready these costs should plummet.

LLOYDY

[jmdrizen]

Just in case anyone's interested in this, just found out from the manufacturer, that the items are available now, and work on analogue signals, so will work now too.

USD$150 is the price at the mo, which isn't toooo bad when you think of how much a portable TV would cost...

I'm gonna order one, and if anyone want's to know about it, will update this in due course

Dave.

More info/details please

The one I'm talking about was the same as mentioned before by www.eopstech.com, but it's being imported in from China, as I can't find anywhere in UK or even EU that sells it yet. If you go to their website, you can click on suppliers link and email them.

Though thinking about what's been said, I may just save up and get Gigabytes G-Smart... All built in, +radio, and no hastle! :-)

[nedge2k]

I wouldn't bother. I have the g-Smart too and the TV is pretty poor in it. There's no T9 for the keypad either and they don't plan to add it.

lloydcody: The pics are HUGE. I hate having to scroll to read posts :P Can't you attach them to your post like I did above?

[dodsin]

Hi guys,
I've been trying Orb (cheaper than sling media cause its free so far :wink: ) It lets you stream all your media and even setup TV through compatible tuner. Check out www.orb.com and see what you can get out of it.

[gajet_grl]

Just got orb....I love it, but does anyone know how to get it to stream on TCPMP instead of Windows Media Player?

[hartiberlin]

@lloydcody
the biggest problem with DVB-H is, that it is only 12.5 Frames/sec
here in Germany.

Is there also a newer version with real 25 frames/sec ?
It is very choppy motion only !
The other standard DMB has full 30 frames/sec !

2. Does anybody have a link to a videostream that broadcasts on
http Port 8080, so I can try it with my O2 Wap Flatrate ?

Maybe someone can share an ORB stream, so I can test it on Por 8080 ?

I can only access the Internet on my Mobile HTC Magician Pocket
PC via http Port 8080.

Many thanks.

Regards, Harti.