Is It possible to downgrade Prophet with Magician2003SE Rom?

[aleksandr]

Hi guys, got a question for all of the genius heads out here,
Is it possible to downgrade Prophet to 2003 SE, let’s say using Magicians rom? Will the RUU work at all? It probably will return error “Wrong Rom supplied”? I don’t want to try it just in case it will reflash my device and then would not boot at all!
But got to tell you, this Prophet is way to slow because of this stupid OMAP Processor! I can’t believe that HTC put out a newer model of the phone and downgrade it the processor! Plus this WM 5 OS is slow as a turtle! I don’t care for it at all! So I was wondering if I can put WM 2003 SE in my Prophet and hope it would work a little faster.
Do you guys think it could work? Please let me know what you think. And yes, I’m using the OMAP Overclocker, it brings up to 240 and still 10 times slower then Magician! Takes forever to boot, and to do anything!

[thulsey]

Yes, well... I guess that's the trade off for permanent storage and flash rom instead of putting it all in super fast ram.

it's definitely sluggish compared to my older Dopod 700 (BlueAngel) but definitely gets better battery life and I can keep more apps open in the RAM I have.

I don't think you'll have any luck installing WM2003 since it is RAM-based.

I could, of course, be wrong. But I don't think so.

[Asturias]

OMAP850 195MHz is better than intel 400MHz as when you compare 1.5G PIV and 2.4G Celeron. :D. Windows mobile 5 always slow but benefit is good.

[bombomtr]

Forget it, man. It is no WM2003 for Prophet. Magician has different hardware so has to be different software. I have Imate JAM before and I compare my new S200 and old JAM. S200 reboots after soft reset much longer, but work faster than JAM, no doubts about. OMAP overclock starts after WM5 complete reboot process, so overclocking have no effect for boot time. I don’t see any reasons to soft reset my S200 every week after I complete installations all extra software. As result, long reboot process doesn’t bother me to much.

[aleksandr]

Forget it, man. It is no WM2003 for Prophet. Magician has different hardware so has to be different software. I have Imate JAM before and I compare my new S200 and old JAM. S200 reboots after soft reset much longer, but work faster than JAM, no doubts about. OMAP overclock starts after WM5 complete reboot process, so overclocking have no effect for boot time. I don’t see any reasons to soft reset my S200 every week after I complete installations all extra software. As result, long reboot process doesn’t bother me to much.


I though so. To bad. I’m sure 2003 would of ran pretty smooth on Prophet. But I don’t see how OMAP 200 is better and faster then PXA. I tried watching a movie in avi or divx or mpeg with high and low video and audio quality. Not that it is a movie theater for me, but pretty nice option on the road. And got to completely different results. Where it runs smooth like dvd quality on Magician and is just plain turtle on the Prophet. And overall performance in various applications in WM 5 invirment is pretty slow. Just plain disappointed. Thinking about buying Atom. Do you guys think WM 5 would work better on PXA ?

[aleksandr]

Another question, I’ve experimented with original German rom on my Prophet and now I have i-mate rom 2.13. 9.23 WWE Radio 02.20.21 Some of you guys have qtek, what do you guys say, if you experimented with it of course, which rom is better as far as speed concern? May be I just should change my roms? And hey, is there a russian rom available for prophet, or maccentre is the only option right now? Maccentre doesn’t translate everything in WM 5 though.. But its close.. Thank you!

[kta]

aleksandr, if your Prophet is 10 times slower than the Magician take it back to the shop because there must be something wrong with it!

I had the JAM for a year and excluding videos (I did not bother to test) the Prophet is at least as fast as the JAM. With many apps open the JAM would also slow down considerably, while with the Prophet open applications do not impact the performance at all!

Plus, the Prophet/Wm5 combo is far more stable than the Jam/2003se combo. Everyone had to soft reset ever now and then with the JAM while almost no one has to reset the Prophet for weeks!

[aleksandr]

aleksandr, if your Prophet is 10 times slower than the Magician take it back to the shop because there must be something wrong with it!

I had the JAM for a year and excluding videos (I did not bother to test) the Prophet is at least as fast as the JAM. With many apps open the JAM would also slow down considerably, while with the Prophet open applications do not impact the performance at all!

Plus, the Prophet/Wm5 combo is far more stable than the Jam/2003se combo. Everyone had to soft reset ever now and then with the JAM while almost no one has to reset the Prophet for weeks!

Hi, thank you very much for your time and reply. I really appreciate it. Do you think it could be the problem with some applications having compatibility issue with WM 5?
I’m running all the latest applications (freshly downloaded from developers sites) including Pocket Plus, Pocket Breeze, and WisBar Advance. My phoneAlarm wouldn’t run though. I’m using Hudson Mobile Dashboard. These are the applications that are always in memory. And of course OMAP Overclocker set at 240Mhz anything over hangs the prophet. Browsing through the phone lets say with Resco Explorer is a pain since its loading files for 3 minutes even with all sys files and extensions hidden option. Build in File Explorer got the same problem. Tried Commander, same results.. And I can forget about playing the video for example, I shut down WisBar Advance, as it is impossible to use anything else along with it cuz the speed is just way too slooow, and still results are much worst then Magician I have no idea what’s causing it I don’t think it’s a hardware problem, as far a malfunction concern. I guess its either ROM or just it’s the way WM 5 is..:( I tried german Rom as well as a i-mates rom. Should I go with Qtek or Dopod may be? Thank you guys for your time and advice!

[acer175]

aleksandr,

The Prophet is my first PPC so I cannot compare speeds with previous versions. However I regularly watch videos on it.

First of all, do not use Media Player bloatware, but TCPMP. Second, it can handle PC-quality AVI's, albeit with certain quality settings it will be slow. However it's a waste, why watch a 700Mb 624x352 video when your PPC's resolution is max 320x240? I use a program to re-encode it to that resolution without any loss of quality in audio or video, it comes down to 300Mb and it works like a dream on the Prophet.

[aleksandr]

aleksandr,

The Prophet is my first PPC so I cannot compare speeds with previous versions. However I regularly watch videos on it.

First of all, do not use Media Player bloatware, but TCPMP. Second, it can handle PC-quality AVI's, albeit with certain quality settings it will be slow. However it's a waste, why watch a 700Mb 624x352 video when your PPC's resolution is max 320x240? I use a program to re-encode it to that resolution without any loss of quality in audio or video, it comes down to 300Mb and it works like a dream on the Prophet.

Hi, thank you very much for the reply. I really appreciate your input! As I hear about you all experience, it helps me to make up my mind about this prophet. I actually already have it on the ebay for 3 days and still double guessing. I was thinking about going for Atom, but if you guys can share your experience and help me believe in this prophet I’ll keep it and won’t spend bunch of money on Atom. Plus I just love the design of Prophet! Especially this black mate finish
Any way, for video converting I used DVD to pocket PC, Pocket DVD Wizard, Doctor Divx, XiliSof converter, AVM Movie maker, PQ DVD, DESET video maker, microsofts windows media video converter plug-in, Smart video Converter and few others, I used the 240x320 resolution my self with 256 to 700 k sound compression (about 300 to 600 mb) in any case with every program I get pretty much same results, nice and smooth on magician and distorted-like quality on prophet:( What would you recommend in such a case scenario?

[kta]

aleksandr, if your Prophet is 10 times slower than the Magician take it back to the shop because there must be something wrong with it!

I had the JAM for a year and excluding videos (I did not bother to test) the Prophet is at least as fast as the JAM. With many apps open the JAM would also slow down considerably, while with the Prophet open applications do not impact the performance at all!

Plus, the Prophet/Wm5 combo is far more stable than the Jam/2003se combo. Everyone had to soft reset ever now and then with the JAM while almost no one has to reset the Prophet for weeks!

Hi, thank you very much for your time and reply. I really appreciate it. Do you think it could be the problem with some applications having compatibility issue with WM 5?
I’m running all the latest applications (freshly downloaded from developers sites) including Pocket Plus, Pocket Breeze, and WisBar Advance. My phoneAlarm wouldn’t run though. I’m using Hudson Mobile Dashboard. These are the applications that are always in memory. And of course OMAP Overclocker set at 240Mhz anything over hangs the prophet. Browsing through the phone lets say with Resco Explorer is a pain since its loading files for 3 minutes even with all sys files and extensions hidden option. Build in File Explorer got the same problem. Tried Commander, same results.. And I can forget about playing the video for example, I shut down WisBar Advance, as it is impossible to use anything else along with it cuz the speed is just way too slooow, and still results are much worst then Magician I have no idea what’s causing it I don’t think it’s a hardware problem, as far a malfunction concern. I guess its either ROM or just it’s the way WM 5 is..:( I tried german Rom as well as a i-mates rom. Should I go with Qtek or Dopod may be? Thank you guys for your time and advice!

I have Resco Explorer installed on my Prophet and it's as fast as it gets. I would suggest you take a backup of your device, do a hard reset and install just Resco Explorer. Leave it running for a few days and see how it goes. If you're satisfied with the performance, start installing more applications ONE AT A TIME, allowing at least a day to test the performance after installing each individual program.

I'm pretty sure that the problem you have with performance has to do with 3rd party software.

[aleksandr]

thank you. I tried that few times. nothing seems to stand out.. it seems slow with any program installed just by it self:( its still much much slower then magician:( and I'm just trying to find a way to either speed it up, by configuring it right.. or just see if its just slow pda..

[bombomtr]

aleksandr,
I have russian WM5 interface translator from Paragon (not sure). It coms with my Qtek S200. I have no idea how good or bad it is because I remove it and never use it. If you do like to try it, let me know and I'll send it to you.