Opera 8.60 for Windows Mobile, Pocket PC

[aefelix]

Download and info here:

http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/products/winmobileppc/

MaX

[BillB]

Downloaded the cab, installed to storage card (the new version removed the old version), ran Opera, it asked me if I wanted to register (17 Euros), I said Okay.

Then I had to tell Opera.com my IMEI in order to get a registration code. I found the IMEI in Settings\Indentity.

When I received the reg code, I ran Opera, selected Tools\register, and then there appeared a box asking for the reg code plus another box showing the "Device ID". The device ID number was completely different from my IMEI, and needless to say, now opera does not accept the registration code. Now I have to write Opera for a new reg code.

So, I would advise all to check the "device id" that opera uses, and provide that number when requesting the registration code, rather than the IMEI found in your PPC's Settings.

[BillB]

Is it just me, or does the large icon for opera have a white background (rather than being a ransparent background as it should be)?

[aefelix]

Is it just me, or does the large icon for opera have a white background (rather than being a ransparent background as it should be)?

also here!!!!

using pocketplus large icon.... :(

MaX

[mdaexecfan]

Just my two cents, I've been a big user of the data service, particularly browsing, and found Opera the best browser... almost. A much better alternative is to RDP home, and use whatever you have there. No more need to worry about user agent strings, java or flash, plus, it's (suprisingly) a lot faster. The VJ fullscreenTSC utility is particulary useful for that purpose.

[matt1971]

Just my two cents, I've been a big user of the data service, particularly browsing, and found Opera the best browser... almost. A much better alternative is to RDP home, and use whatever you have there. No more need to worry about user agent strings, java or flash, plus, it's (suprisingly) a lot faster. The VJ fullscreenTSC utility is particulary useful for that purpose.

Was thinking of trialling Netfront - Can i ask why you think Opera beats Netfront in your eyes?

Thanks


Matt

[vapor]

i was using netfront before i switched to opera and i must say that opera is the best by far.

[samsul]

I find Opera completely useless for most sites:

try www.o2.co.uk on both Opera and Netfront 3.3 and see the difference.

or try new.bbc.co.uk on both

THERE IS NO WAY I WILL EVER USE OPERA.

[mdaexecfan]

Was thinking of trialling Netfront - Can i ask why you think Opera beats Netfront in your eyes?
Matt

Because with the 'fit to screen' option, Opera resizes the pixs and everything on the webpages - keeping them in proportion with the text. Netfront doesnt, so you end up with horizontal scroolbars and unreadable pages, while the opera-rendered ones looks just like the ones on a regular desktop computer.

[colonel]

I agree, my experience with opera is bad. It locks up all the time and can't be dissuaded from dumping tons of temp data in main storage memory.

Netfront is much better. The fonts on netfront are a bit wierd and its no way perfect though!

[FOSA]

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"I find Opera completely useless for most sites:

try www.o2.co.uk on both Opera and Netfront 3.3 and see the difference.

or try new.bbc.co.uk on both

THERE IS NO WAY I WILL EVER USE OPERA."


No problem for the mentioned 2 sites if you'll to set OPERA to 'Fit to screen' :D

[mdaexecfan]

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No problem for the mentioned 2 sites if you'll to set OPERA to 'Fit to screen' :D

Exactly - bbc.co.uk is brilliant on opera 'fit to screen'. I find it unusable on netfront.

[samsul]

Sorry, I meant to say the Opera is useless on Universal (mine MDA Pro) compared to NetFront.

I wouldn't use it if they paid me to.

[AndyChecker]

One advantage is netfront 3.3 allows you to log onto more secure sites and if you fiddle with the settings does look and work better for me than Opera but they still haven't relesed the final pay for version and my trial version has ran out :cry:

[alese]

Sorry, I meant to say the Opera is useless on Universal (mine MDA Pro) compared to NetFront.

I wouldn't use it if they paid me to.

I use Opera on my Universal since the first Beta and all I can say is that it's the closest you can get to a "real" browsing experience on the PDA. The only "better" sollution would be to use some sort of RDP, as mentioned above.

I don't know what you do with your Universal, but on mine, in TrueVGA, Opera is simply great.

[tregba]

Almost as crappy as beta 2! Still very much work in progress - few bugs havn't been fixed, map hardware buttons??, flash??!. Also i'm not sure about you guys but Netfront (latest TP - D2) seems to render about 90% of websites (using WiFi) much quicker than Opera and is more responsive too. What's up with that?!?

[shuflie]

Has anyone read the press release fully?
Here it is. http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2006/05/31/

One bit that jumped out at me was this.
The first operators to ship Windows Mobile devices with Opera Mobile(TM) pre-installed are T-Mobile through their Web'n'Walk offering, and the leading Japanese operator, Willcom.

Has anyone seen Opera on a released T-mobile phone, or is it more likely the t-mobile have been holding up the release of ROMs in the UK market until they could put Opera out at the same time? If this is true then should we be expecting to see an AKU2 ROM for the MDA PRO with opera embedded sometime soon?

[cdgoin]

Was thinking of trialling Netfront - Can i ask why you think Opera beats Netfront in your eyes?

ThanksMatt

I have found NetFront to be AWESOME. I have it set so I see full webpages with very little jumbling or problems.

Combine it with FlexMail and you got a basic internet package on the go..

That said, I will give the new Opera a spin.. Why not.. Everything since I installed the latest DOPOD ROM has been working flawlessly and well I cant have that..

Charles

[mdaexecfan]

Sorry, I meant to say the Opera is useless on Universal (mine MDA Pro) compared to NetFront.
I wouldn't use it if they paid me to.

Considering that the opinions are so divergent, yet we all come equipped with (pretty similar) sets of eyeballs, I reckon I'm going to take screenshots of both netfront and opera rendering of common webpages and will post them here.

[AndyChecker]

I am a web designer and think the differences of opinions are all to do with how the site's are coded in terms of fixed widths and such like in the html or xhtml and CSS.

Netfront is definitly better for me as web designer for checking on the fly changes for clients sites but for simply viewing sites informtion then I think the new opera mini works quite well and keeps data trafic low.

[hrb]

When I received the reg code, I ran Opera, selected Tools\register, and then there appeared a box asking for the reg code plus another box showing the "Device ID". The device ID number was completely different from my IMEI, and needless to say, now opera does not accept the registration code. Now I have to write Opera for a new reg code.

So, I would advise all to check the "device id" that opera uses, and provide that number when requesting the registration code, rather than the IMEI found in your PPC's Settings.

Well, on the purchase page it is clearly stated that starting with Version 8.6x and up, only device ID can be used.

And as far as comparing Opera to Netfront: Netfront is a far cry away from Opera !

Just my 2cent, having worked extensively with both.

Cheers
hrb

[mdaexecfan]

.... informtion then I think the new opera mini works quite well and keeps data trafic low....

I think I get it now. We're not talking about the same browsers. Some people compare Opera Mini™ 2.0 with Netfront 3.3. Others are comparing Opera 8.60 for Pocket PC with Netfront 3.3. I'll screenshot them and post the results later.

[kchris]

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No problem for the mentioned 2 sites if you'll to set OPERA to 'Fit to screen' :D

Exactly - bbc.co.uk is brilliant on opera 'fit to screen'. I find it unusable on netfront.

I don't want opera to fit the webpage (pix, etc) to my Uni, I want the selected web-page to be displayed as it is, in a REAL browser. And Netfront accomplishes that far far better. And: it's faster too, and I can scroll/etc while it's rendering the page.

another point: I don't know how can be the Universal used in TrueVGA mode for a long term... Do you use a magnifier? Simply, the pixels are so small that (Especcially on train/etc.) they are unreadable, and I'm getting a headache or whatevery.. I'wanted to use it in that mode but I cannot.

[BillB]

Well, on the purchase page it is clearly stated that starting with Version 8.6x and up, only device ID can be used.


I understand they changed the purchase page since yesterday morning due to this problem. However, over at Opera forums, people are complaining that the purchase page does not accept the Device ID when they enter it! I don't know if they fixed that yet. In the meantime, Opera e-mailed me a new reg code which worked.

[hrb]

[quote="BillB
I understand they changed the purchase page since yesterday morning due to this problem. However, over at Opera forums, people are complaining that the purchase page does not accept the Device ID when they enter it! I don't know if they fixed that yet. In the meantime, Opera e-mailed me a new reg code which worked.[/quote]

- No, they haven't changed the purchase page. It was the same before. Doesn't matter anyway anymore, because:
- Yes, it's now working w/o any problem :D

Cheers
hrb

[AndyChecker]

.... informtion then I think the new opera mini works quite well and keeps data trafic low....

I think I get it now. We're not talking about the same browsers. Some people compare Opera Mini™ 2.0 with Netfront 3.3. Others are comparing Opera 8.60 for Pocket PC with Netfront 3.3. I'll screenshot them and post the results later.

Please don't confuse what I was saying - Netfront 3.3 is the best browser for seeing the web as though you are sitting at a desktop PC :wink: . Opera mini in my opinion is more useful than Opera 8.6 as Opera 8.6 doesn't render well enough for my needs (as a desktop style browser) so for quick browsing and keeping data charges down I use Opera Mini 2.0 :shock: and will use Net Front alongside this :lol:

[alese]

I don't want opera to fit the webpage (pix, etc) to my Uni, I want the selected web-page to be displayed as it is, in a REAL browser. And Netfront accomplishes that far far better. And: it's faster too, and I can scroll/etc while it's rendering the page.

another point: I don't know how can be the Universal used in TrueVGA mode for a long term... Do you use a magnifier? Simply, the pixels are so small that (Especcially on train/etc.) they are unreadable, and I'm getting a headache or whatevery.. I'wanted to use it in that mode but I cannot.

I don't know about you, but I do want to get page rendered on my Universal as close as possible to desktop, and Opera is giving me exactly that.

Also I'm posting this on my Universal on the bus, using TrueVGA and new Opera 8.6. I installed it over my Beta2 30 minutes ago and after this post I'm going to register it.
I did have a registred copy of NetFront, back in the days when the only alternative was PIE, but not any more.

[geps]

Well, on the purchase page it is clearly stated that starting with Version 8.6x and up, only device ID can be used.


I understand they changed the purchase page since yesterday morning due to this problem. However, over at Opera forums, people are complaining that the purchase page does not accept the Device ID when they enter it! I don't know if they fixed that yet. In the meantime, Opera e-mailed me a new reg code which worked.

hi BillB, I made exactly the same mistake, I gave them my IMEI code and now the registration code doesn't work :-(

to who exactly should I write to get a new code?

[Digs]

More thought here :
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=140867&page=1&skip=0&show=0&perscreen=50

Opera, I am leaning towards Net Front because
--Cache file is not on storage card, poor allocation of memory usage.
I found it here : Mydevice\Application Data\Opera
--Converting PIE bookmarks into Opera a hassle
--No flash support , as far as I can tell.
--Launching http links from email dont work ( even after made as default browser c/- jkendrick)

It seams that this lack of though means that Opera is while off before catering for a true mobile solution. Has some nice stuff thou.

I have Net Front 3.3 trial and Opera mini 2.0 trial installed, funny thing is that I cant run Net Front after I open Opera, I have to do a soft reset.

[aefelix]

Well, on the purchase page it is clearly stated that starting with Version 8.6x and up, only device ID can be used.


I understand they changed the purchase page since yesterday morning due to this problem. However, over at Opera forums, people are complaining that the purchase page does not accept the Device ID when they enter it! I don't know if they fixed that yet. In the meantime, Opera e-mailed me a new reg code which worked.

hi BillB, I made exactly the same mistake, I gave them my IMEI code and now the registration code doesn't work :-(

to who exactly should I write to get a new code?

Leave a message here:

http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=140867

Ciao

MaX

[battletank]

I have Net Front 3.3 trial and Opera mini 2.0 trial installed, funny thing is that I cant run Net Front after I open Opera, I have to do a soft reset.

Funny - I thought that was just me. Opera seems to do something 'special' to tcp/ip - even after a reset, I found NetFront to be problematic (repeated timeouts) - a hard reset and restoring a pre-Opera backup seemed to fix it.

[BillB]

Well, on the purchase page it is clearly stated that starting with Version 8.6x and up, only device ID can be used.


I understand they changed the purchase page since yesterday morning due to this problem. However, over at Opera forums, people are complaining that the purchase page does not accept the Device ID when they enter it! I don't know if they fixed that yet. In the meantime, Opera e-mailed me a new reg code which worked.

hi BillB, I made exactly the same mistake, I gave them my IMEI code and now the registration code doesn't work :-(

to who exactly should I write to get a new code?

Leave a message here:

http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=140867

Ciao

MaX

OR you can use their support contact form with this link, which is how I did it, but people are also sending PM's to Opera staff via their forums. Good Luck!

http://www.opera.com/contact/support/?help=registration

[geps]

thanks to you guys, I solved my probem!

and I must say that Opera support is very efficient :-)

[jztan79]

do anyone have my problem i installed the new opera 8.6 on my t-mobile mda and it crash 7 out of 10 time. when it happen i cant even do a soft reset i need to take the battery out, suck .. I dont have any program running in the background expect wisbar adv 2.0 any suggustion to this problem much thx. :x

[Digs]

Some information converting internet explorer bookmarks to opera, not sure if it covers pocket pc, heys it free. So give it a go. The fact that opera cache file is not on storage card is not for me.


http://www.yoursurfice.com/Content/Booky/Booky.htm

Booky for Windows
Current version is 1.2.0

What is Booky?
Booky for Windows is a small utility that I built while I was working on this site. I try to test whatever I built using the most recent versions of the most popular browsers. I noticed that I was frequently synchronizing my bookmarks manually, so I decided to build a small utility to make my life a little easier.