To purchase: HP iPAQ rw6828 or O2 Atom

[Belebalah]

Hi all,

HP iPAQ rw6828 is launched recently in Asia. Althought, it has same spec as O2 Atom, however HP claimed that they have a more stable ROM.

http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Home.jsp?&lang=en&cc=us&prodTypeId=215348&prodSeriesId=1839223&lang=en&cc=us

How do you think between rw6828 & Atom??

[bill_viper]

Atom for me!
This black color is not comparable with any other!

[ZaZuRaZ]

is there a place to D/L the HP rom ?

[victoradjei]

You may not want this rom on the HP :evil: Check the ppcsg forum and hear the groans/moans. It would need a few more upgrades to reach the latest Atom ROM :P

Mine is still in Hong Kong for repair but I still love my Atom :lol:

Victor

[ZaZuRaZ]

just wonder if it possible to install the HP rom on ATOM ?
after all they have the HW.

[victoradjei]

Sure there are enough brains around to do the CID unlocking :lol:

[baubaubau]

Hi guys,

I am living in Hong Kong and easily can get BRAND NEW HP iPAQ rw6828 (& accessories).

Email me (bau89bau@yahoo.com.hk) if you need my help :wink:

cheers!!

[diemaster]

I got my new rw6800, I aslo have 818pro and atom,

but i feel 6800 -> 818pro -> atom :lol:

[kejas]

I am using an atom and it the best thing that i can buy in my country. But personally atom is much better.

[MasK]

I am using an atom and it the best thing that i can buy in my country. But personally atom is much better.

Yeah.. I was in Gujarat last week.. and all of my cousins have only seen the Atom on TV. Where are ya from? :)

[kejas]

Mr. Mask I hope you check your stores near by atom is readly there in india. I am from india mumbai and i am using one from last four months.

Hope you find one. BYe

[Nutdhanai]

Hi all,

HP iPAQ rw6828 is launched recently in Asia. Althought, it has same spec as O2 Atom, however HP claimed that they have a more stable ROM.

http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Home.jsp?&lang=en&cc=us&prodTypeId=215348&prodSeriesId=1839223&lang=en&cc=us

How do you think between rw6828 & Atom??


I took a look at the HP 6828 at the shops yesterday and i was very impressed with the build quality over the Atom. Although a little bit thicker the HP feels very solid, it doesnt squeak when i squeeze the phone in my palm like my Atom does and the button certainly feels a lot more solid and less flimsy than the Atom. So physically the HP wins, I also heard that the HP has better sound quality on both phone and music wise. However, on the software side I dont know, I didnt turn the phone on; but i guess it would be very similar or even better to the Atom once HP has as much air time on the device as O2.

i am planning to trade my Atom in for the 6828 today :)

[klikman]

i have used both models, n my recomendation is clearly ipaq.

atoms:
- Main memory storage only 43 MB
- Audio call quality, atom is known to have echo during phone call.
- bad support / warranty, at least in indonesia.
- silly un-mappable "Start Menu" key/ button
vs.

rw6828:
- large memory, 58.5MB internal memory available to user !!!!!!!
- no echoes!!!!!!
- softkey, i love soft key, you can install smartkeys, it works great.
you have extra functions on your softkey.
- best warranty amongst PDA, i have had ipaq b4, the turnaround time is very short. 1week to 2 weeks. compare to o2 / dopod, 1month to 2 months !!!!!!!!!!

[X-ZeLsO]

Dear klikman and all users,


How is the sound quality? really full duplex stereo speakers?

Can wen trust in HP/quanta Technical Support?

WHERE TO BUY???
(expansys out of stonck and Chinese warranty only)

[victoradjei]

Dear X-ZeLs0,

Ask Baobaobao to help you:



Sent my Atom to Hong Kong for servicing and asked for his help. He personally picked it up yesterday and bought me a Mont Blanc leather case. Shiped by DHL and it is already in Amsterdam, according to my tracking info!

Victor

baubaubau Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 03:29 Post subject:

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Hi guys,

I am living in Hong Kong and easily can get BRAND NEW HP iPAQ rw6828 (& accessories).

Email me (bau89bau@yahoo.com.hk) if you need my help :wink:

cheers!!

[klikman]

hi X-ZeLsO,

the sound quality on atom n 6828 is about the same.

i sell PDAs, and so far, atom has been doing quite well, in terms of reliability. HTC products like 818, 838, have more problems (non-software), ranging from broken speaker (mostly in 818), touchscreen misaligned (found on more than half of 838s, some are recoverable after running "screen align" again), dead mainboard (v. rare).

while atom, have more problems with the rom, which is easier to fix.
hardware problem found on atom: broken speaker, camera sometimes become distorted.

price of atom's spareparts is also cheaper than HTC's phone.

[klikman]

hi X-ZeLsO,

the sound quality on atom n 6828 is about the same.

i sell PDAs, and so far, atom has been doing quite well, in terms of reliability. HTC products like 818, 838, have more problems (non-software), ranging from broken speaker (mostly in 818), touchscreen misaligned (found on more than half of 838s, some are recoverable after running "screen align" again), dead mainboard (v. rare).

while atom, have more problems with the rom, which is easier to fix.
hardware problem found on atom: broken speaker, camera sometimes become distorted.

price of atom's spareparts is also cheaper than HTC's phone.

[X-ZeLsO]

I'm just thinking in the ATOM or HP6828


Both same manufacturer but different support (and soft buttons)

Can I trust in HP ROM upgrades??

Can I use HP Technical Assitance from in my country? Without delivering costs. (Spain)


Both devices are really superb, perhaps HP is the definitive software upgraded/patched Atom?


rgds

[Nutdhanai]

I'm just thinking in the ATOM or HP6828


Both same manufacturer but different support (and soft buttons)

Can I trust in HP ROM upgrades??

Can I use HP Technical Assitance from in my country? Without delivering costs. (Spain)


Both devices are really superb, perhaps HP is the definitive software upgraded/patched Atom?


rgds

All Atom users!! i urge you to trade in your Atom for the HP 6828, I just received my HP6828 yesterday and I must say for direct comparisons (as I have both units right here) the Atom seems like a prototype phone and the HP6828 is the production version. Physically the HP6828 is better quality overall, no squeaks when in you hand, the buttons feel much much better... actually feels like a 700USD phone. The package is also better quality, the ear phones are totally different league to the Atom. On the ROM side I feel that the HP6828 is faster and more responsive than the Atom; has more ram available, the software packages are also better coded. HP has fixed most of the design glitches that have plagued the Atom....and lots more..too much to say..you need to try it for yourself, I love the Atom since the first day I got it, but after five months of this and that.. I have found the prefect device.. the HP 6828 is the best out there now!! go get it..

Hope this gets some of the Atom users some ideas of what to expect from HP... Im almost certain whos ever in love with the Atom, once you have felt the HP6828, you will leave the Atom and go for the HP. its just too good to miss...

[Yukon_28]

Realy,its so stupid...Like childrens,anyone has HP say its way-way better,and all Atom users say that Atom is better.Wake up,we speak about same devices!I have Atom for a month,also have used HP few hours.Its exectly SAME devices inside!About ROM,Atom has 43mb,but install ShowHidenPartition.CAB and you'll the same as HP's size,HP's ROM bigger only because its have not "hiden" part.
Now,about qualaty & buttons - HP does not have more buttons then Atom,its have 2 soft buttons but have not media & start menu buttons,if you like soft buttons - remap Atoms keys,number of buttons same on two devices.I think we will see start menu key remaper,its not a big problem,personaly i prefer application keys,soft buttons i mapped for long press (used AEButtonMaper).Also,Atom looks better in my (and few peoples i asked) opnion,HP does not looks like something special,and its plastic cover looks bad.Speed - Atom with lastest ROM bit faster,but generaly they have same speed and same sound qualaty,because same HardWare,HP simply can't be better then Atom and Atom can't be better then HP.
So,its realy nothing to speek & think about,its SAME devices that looks little diferent,you have to put you hands on both of them,take a look and use'am for a few hours if you can,after buy one that you like more,inside its a same hardware.

[Osir1s]

Well im a jasjar user by default, but considering switching back to a non clamshell design, so naturally I went and had a play with both of these phones.

The differences I discovered were
1. The Camera quality on the RW6828 is noticably superior, maybe its different software, but I was lead to believe its a HP 2MP SmartFocus, not the same as the o2's but in any event the camera is noticably different

2. I noticed games tended to drag a little on the RW6828. ie, Skyforce would periodically slowdown, and become jerky, as would Atomic Battle Dragons. I imagine thats an area where o2 has the advantage, and some catch up ROMS by HP should correct this.

3. The casing of the rw6828 simply feels and works better than the atoms. Putting aside taste, which is an individual thing, no creaks, or sqweaks from the RW6828, feels like a more solid and better made case.

4. At the moment people can purchase this device for $200 and more, cheaper than the Atom.

Overall there seemed to be improved audio and phone clarity on the RW6828, but that may have been a subjective thing as I tested them both on different networked sims.

In any case the RW6828 won out for me, my first impressions gravitated towards the atom, but it doesnt leave a good impression when you pick it up, the back of it creaks and you notice your fingerprints all over it. Despite both devices being produced by Quanta im inclined to feel some upgraded hardware would have been used, its almost naive to imagine that in all the months since the Atoms production, that they couldnt easily fit an improved camera lens and speaker setup to this device.

o2 Might have the lead with all their ROM updates and fixes they have corrected but im inclined to feel this time difference has allowed HP to produce a better out of the box ROM, and a practically similar device with a few important corrections.

Thats my impressions as someone who recently played with both anyway.

[goldsaint]

Realy,its so stupid...Like childrens,anyone has HP say its way-way better,and all Atom users say that Atom is better.Wake up,we speak about same devices!I have Atom for a month,also have used HP few hours.Its exectly SAME devices inside!About ROM,Atom has 43mb,but install ShowHidenPartition.CAB and you'll the same as HP's size,HP's ROM bigger only because its have not "hiden" part.
Now,about qualaty & buttons - HP does not have more buttons then Atom,its have 2 soft buttons but have not media & start menu buttons,if you like soft buttons - remap Atoms keys,number of buttons same on two devices.I think we will see start menu key remaper,its not a big problem,personaly i prefer application keys,soft buttons i mapped for long press (used AEButtonMaper).Also,Atom looks better in my (and few peoples i asked) opnion,HP does not looks like something special,and its plastic cover looks bad.Speed - Atom with lastest ROM bit faster,but generaly they have same speed and same sound qualaty,because same HardWare,HP simply can't be better then Atom and Atom can't be better then HP.
So,its realy nothing to speek & think about,its SAME devices that looks little diferent,you have to put you hands on both of them,take a look and use'am for a few hours if you can,after buy one that you like more,inside its a same hardware.

i totally agree with u. i tested both device in terms of sound, camera and even programs :

atom : with latest rom upgrade = more stable, better cam and soundquality that gives me an A++++ satisfaction.

Hp : exactly the same as atom with latest rom, but cannot run wisbar advance 2 as the atom (very sluggish) or even xscale scalar wont have any effect on both device.

i think that the key that will help u guys choose between Atom or HP will be the Next Rom Upgrade that will be available for the atom.

i really dont know what they can improve anymore as i personaly love my atom, but if they can make wisbar advance 2 work full speed on it, i'll be the most happiest person cause i'll be able to load the Vista Skin for it.

:)

[X-ZeLsO]

thats right...


but where to buy an HPrw6828? (looks better and I have Spain support)

where do you bought them?!?!

[User22]

Hey X-ZeLsO, my friend, you look like tired of your actual ppc, insn't it :lol:

[X-ZeLsO]

HEY! User22!!

Thats right, my actual device, not was I espected... runs properly, but I'm searching other types, other frontiers... more PDA and less mobile phone concept... lol!


well... look in at the thread... WHERE TO BUY!! (www.doml.com has it, but EXPENSIVE... over 1000$)

Cherrs!

[User22]

HEY! User22!!

Thats right, my actual device, not was I espected... runs properly, but I'm searching other types, other frontiers... more PDA and less mobile phone concept... lol!


You know that this device is not working like it supposed to work, just check my signatur :twisted:

[X-ZeLsO]

yes...

I saw it before...

really descriptive

for this... where to buy an rw6828? :D


rgds

[Nutdhanai]

Realy,its so stupid...Like childrens,anyone has HP say its way-way better,and all Atom users say that Atom is better.Wake up,we speak about same devices!
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So,its realy nothing to speek & think about,its SAME devices that looks little diferent,you have to put you hands on both of them,take a look and use'am for a few hours if you can,after buy one that you like more,inside its a same hardware.

Sorry but I have to disagree with you there.
They re not the SAME device.. but you need to be appreciative enough to notice these little details that distinguish best from second best -

i) They look different
ii) the HP is thicker in dimension.. thus more solid feel..
iii) The buttons look and feel different, and the HP is a lot more usable (with right software)
iv) the software package are different, HP is A LOT better and more usable
v) Some other things are different maybe hardware..because I dont have the same problem that I used to have with my Atom (Ive used 2 Atoms both with same problem) in thread here http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=52821

but if you are a non power user or just dont care of the minor differences then.. i guess they could be the same by your standards.. its just in the matter of details thats all .. and its not stupid..

[goldsaint]

if u speak in terms of details,

i am a power user and i have both device right now :

i can tell u that just by seeing the hp face every morning makes me want to trow up.

the Hp has the exact same motherboard as the atom.

the only noticable thing that change physically speaking are the speakers in front that are bigger than the atom ones.

now...for the sound ? exactly the same !

and if u dont believe still what i say, just try to flash ur hp with the aton latest rom or vice versa and u'll see that it will work.

[Nutdhanai]

if u speak in terms of details,

i am a power user and i have both device right now :

i dont think you are just yet because real power users should notice those kinds of difference and would appreciate the little minor details if they offer better experience...or i dont know if you have but maybe you just need to actually use the devices (maybe for at least a week) so that you can actually tell the difference.. not just comparing them when they are sitting in front of you. It did take me a few days for me to notice a couple of improvements over the Atom. (again this is in terms of performance.. not looks)


i can tell u that just by seeing the hp face every morning makes me want to trow up.:

Just a matter of taste really... but both my Atom squeaks and that doesnt give me the assurance that im using a quality device..


the Hp has the exact same motherboard as the atom.:

Do you have any proofs that they are exactly the same motherboard and other components? If you dont then try not to post something unproven.. what I do know that they perform different when used in a moving car.. the signals and receptions on the HP is more stable.

but anyhow my posts are merely suggestions and observations and just intending to help people who needs to make decisions on buying Atom over HP... and for people who are unhappy with their Atom to try the HP.

In fact just to give other users more feedback, i ve used me HP 6828 for more than a week now and I have yet to be forced to perform a soft reset.. the device is just so stable.. calls have been above average, push email has been great but have drained the battery a bit more. (go to www.mail2web.com to get your push mail working) Overall so far, I am totally satisfied with the HP 6828 and it has given me even better experience than what the O2 Mini use to give me.

[Osir1s]

Id be more inclined to throw up at the site of the atom and all its finger prints and every spec of dust on the planet. I only played around with the atom for an afternoon and was already sick of wiping down the device or looking at fimngerprints.

But thats each to their own, I cant comment much ive played with both devices but unfortuntely when I finally decided to buy a 6828 the store had sold out :(

[klikman]

there is an upgrade version of atom. with bigger rom, 192MB, intel 520mhz.


check it out here . . .
http://www.ppcsg.com/index.php?showtopic=77804

[Osir1s]

The HP should be good once more ppl have it and manage to hack the ATOM rom for use with the HP.

[Sage]

i work for HP.. i can get 2 rw6828's for $750 each. Brand new in box.

Only available to Australians.

let me now.

[Yukon_28]

Sorry but I have to disagree with you there.
They re not the SAME device.. but you need to be appreciative enough to notice these little details that distinguish best from second best -

i) They look different
ii) the HP is thicker in dimension.. thus more solid feel..
iii) The buttons look and feel different, and the HP is a lot more usable (with right software)
iv) the software package are different, HP is A LOT better and more usable
v) Some other things are different maybe hardware..because I dont have the same problem that I used to have with my Atom (Ive used 2 Atoms both with same problem) in thread here http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=52821

but if you are a non power user or just dont care of the minor differences then.. i guess they could be the same by your standards.. its just in the matter of details thats all .. and its not stupid..

You THINK that you are power user,and i am not sure that you are :wink: I am also used both devices,and i have not seen any diference you talking about.I am happy for you that you like you HP,but dont tell us wrong things,you are not one & only here that used both.So,about buttons - what you mean in The buttons look and feel different, and the HP is a lot more usable (with right software)
?! OMG,its SAME set of buttons!Feels exectly same!Buttons bad on both devices,i realy missed normal buttons panel like on s200 (2x Soft Buttons,Start Menu,OK,Green,Red).This a only reason that make me think about change atom to another device,i think about 9600...
the HP is thicker in dimension.. thus more solid feel..
Totaly disagree,in terms of LOOK atom its far better,its not only what i am think,i show to few people both deviced (Atom black,white & HP) - all of them told that atom looks better,guys told that black one is better,looks "cooler",and girls like a white one,because its "sexy" look.
Alsoo,noone like this plastic cover,its realy does not looks good.
They look different
Agree,they are.
One thing that i notice - HP camera pics looks better than atom's,not that MUCH,but better.
the software package are different, HP is A LOT better and more usable
Please explain.First - i dont care about software,because if you are real power user like you say,you know that preinstalled soft not realy usefull in many terms.Second - i also have not seen something realy usefull in HP ROM you have not in atom's one,specialy if you downloaded all adds from O2 site using auto installer.HP missed manu programs from o2 ROM also,so you totaly wrong,HPs ROM is not better,in my terms :wink:
Some other things are different maybe hardware..because I dont have the same problem that I used to have with my Atom
It is your problem,its not something that all users has,not kind of known bug.I use 2 SIMs - Orange (GSM calls\GPRS) & Celcom (EDGE) and never seen problem you are talking about.May be its because i am not so power youser as you are ? :twisted:

[Osir1s]

Bozo, Blinky, you wanna knock off this little subjective debate.
Debating the damn casing and buttons is like windows fanboys shouting at mac fanboys your not going to get anywhere, why because casing, buttons etc is a personal preference!

If either of you two had actually used this damn device you would note that the current important factor seperating them is that the current Atom rom makes the Atom exactly what it should have been, where as whilst the out of the box rom for the HP is stable and quite responsive, it needs updating just like the Atom did. The HP has a growing list of software which doesnt work on it yet, and not to mention a plethora of games which all work fine on the Atom. So you want the difference? The only measurable difference that is not subjective is the performance of the Roms, so debate that in your pipe and smoke it.!

[chuckster]

Are the accessories for the Atom useable on the RW6828?

1. Battery
2. Charger
3. etc.

[chuckster]

Are the accessories for the Atom useable on the RW6828?

1. Battery
2. Charger
3. etc.

[MasK]

Here's my 2 cents on the 2 sevices.

I have used the Atom for 7 months, and now, rw6828 for just over a week.

COSMETICALLY:
I like the way HP looks. it's dual tone casing rocks. Furthermore, no fingerprints. The flip is very useful especially if ya got oily skin, etc :P
As for built-wise, none of my devices squeaked. So not an issue here.

As for buttons, HP has many chrome buttons, which are prone to scratches (like anything else on the device) BUT... they won't fade off. As for the Atom, the power and volume buttons are plastic, but the camera and voice recorder button is rubber! I know it, as I opened up the unit before. This explains why my rubber buttons had it's silver fading off!

Also, if you have many rubbing actions over that silver coated buttons, it will wear off too (atom: red-green call buttons / centre dial)
As for HP, there isn't any silver coated buttons which will have much rubing actions (only the softkeys, which are flat, thus not having much rubbing)

So generally, the HP will look better in the long run.
The LED lights are also placed differently than the Atom, which brings to show that HP really made an effort to differ from Atom and get Quanta to ammend the PCB.

SOFTWARE:
HP is stable and fast right out of the box. I am doing apple-apple comparison here, as I used O2 plus and other softwares on both devices :P
Atom isn't that bad too here. But when it comes to music listening, HP wins hands down. It's bass boost can punch up bass without cracking the music up. I play lotsa bassy tracks, and it really benefits me. 3D surround sounds great too. The only bad side of HP is that once you're playing music, the unit becomes too slow to do ANYTHING else. I gotta pause my track before I send a message out or write a note. I figure it's because of the sound processing. Another downside is that theres a constant hissing sound when ya play your music. Not so bad for me, as my music always overpowers the hiss :P
And oh.. as for the Atom, it just can't handle bass. The equalizer only makes it worse.

Other than these, I also found the soft keys beneficial. That's a way a WM5 device should be. (look at dopod 818pro keys and ya know what i mean)

MISC:
Ringtons sound pretty soft compared to the Atom. Basically anything that comes out from the speaker is much softer

Awwight then.. this are my 2 cents.. oops.. maybe 3 cents. A little too much, eh? :lol:

[splua333]

Im not think so the Hp rw6828 is better than Atom.
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e319/splua333/kk32758_clip3.jpg


http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e319/splua333/untitled45.jpg


The Data never lies. i Had proved that the Spb Benchmark Data for Atom is near and match to my Atom. And some of my rw6828 user had proved that the result too. Show that Atom is much powerful than rw6828 in current ROM for both device.