Massive overclocking success.

[gnif]

I just thought I would let people know of my success with overclocking the Magician with "Pocket Hack Master"

After many hours of testing and playing around, I descovered that a RAM speed any higher then 65Mhz caused lockups, so, I played with all the configurations I could to get the most performance out of the device with the highest RAM speed possible.

Here is the final outcome:

CPU: 663Mhz
BUS: 221Mhz
RAM: 55Mhz
LCD: 55Mhz

To achive this I used the following manual settings:

L: 17.0
N: 6.0
A: 0
LCD_26: 1
Turbo On
Fast Bus On

Benchmark Results (From Pocket Hack Master):

SI: 365
MIPS: 244
MEM: 487

The performance increase is incredible. Its not one of those barely noticable overclocks, i mean, even loading the windows directory in Resco File Explorer is about 10x faster.

I have been running these settings for about a day now, and I give my Magician a hard time as I develop on it and I have not noticed any problems yet. I havn't been running it long enough yet to see if the battery life has dropped much though.

I would be interested to see how others go, please post your success/failures here and the settings you used to get the results.

[gnif]

Just descovered Spb Benchmark... its running as I type this so get some hard proof of the speed increase.

[gnif]

SPB Results:

http://www.spacevs.com/SPB/SPB%20Index.PNG
http://www.spacevs.com/SPB/CPU.PNG
http://www.spacevs.com/SPB/FileSystem.PNG
http://www.spacevs.com/SPB/Graphics.PNG
http://www.spacevs.com/SPB/Platform.PNG

[gnif]

Ok, playing with the settings a bit more... got another good config.

CPU: 650Mhz
BUS: 260Mhz
RAM: 65Mhz
LCD: 65Mhz

While the cpu speed is a bit lower, the ram speed increase more then makes up for it.

Not going to post images for this one... the numbers will suffice

SPB Index: 2156
CPU Index: 2643
FileSystem Index: 1662
Graphics Index: 2679
Platform Index: 1665

I may update the images later when I am not so lazy.

[c_shekhar]

How about the battery hogging as a result?

[jigero]

Hi,
I am trying second settings but it locks.
L:20
N:5
A:0
Turbo
LCD_26:1
Fast bus.

Is that what tested?
thanks

[ImmortalU]

yeah, all this is fine and dandy and really well done aswell, but useless if battery life becomes none-existant.

What kind if mileage are you getting?

[gnif]

for me performance is better then battery life since I am developing on the device. As i stated, I am still unsure as to the life since to develop on it, it needs to be plugged into the PC.

jigero: Yes, that is what I used... memory is more picky then CPU when it comes to overclocking... 65Mhz is really pushing it, just luck of the draw.

[jigero]

Finally i made it. I choose from the filter to show all possible settings (full) and choose the one with the specs you said and worked fine. It goes really faster.

[gnif]

Thats wierd...

I got sick of searching through that list and made a manual one that works fine.

I would like to know what the "L", "N", "A", and "LCD_26" actually mean.

"L" is deffinatly the bus multiplier.
From what I can tell, "A" seems to affect the RAM speed, kinda like turbo and "N"

LCD_26... no idea, just seems to work more consistantly when I set it to 1

[sajib]

Ok, playing with the settings a bit more... got another good config.

CPU: 650Mhz
BUS: 260Mhz
RAM: 65Mhz
LCD: 65Mhz

While the cpu speed is a bit lower, the ram speed increase more then makes up for it.

Not going to post images for this one... the numbers will suffice

SPB Index: 2156
CPU Index: 2643
FileSystem Index: 1662
Graphics Index: 2679
Platform Index: 1665

I may update the images later when I am not so lazy.

Same as here it just hang...

how u do managed it at 260 bus the most i can go s 520mhz..

[dralpk]

Thanks for the post but,

I tried

CPU: 663Mhz
BUS: 221Mhz
RAM: 55Mhz
LCD: 55Mhz

configuration but my i--mate jam crashes.

The second conf crashed too.

[agiorgitis]

So, what about battery run time? :roll: :D A couple of hours?

[Dandie]

I was also experimenting with PocketHackMaster on my Magician and the speed increase was more than obvious. I also encountered that overclocking the RAM is the most effective (I wonder why HTC doesn't just use a faster RAM interface to increase the speed of their devices ). Now the big problem: Even when underclocking the device, battery lifetime decreases dramatically. So for a mobile phone this is not a useful in my opinion.

[sajib]

With Pocket hackmaster the most u can go is...

Bus=260
Ram=65
lcd=120+
cpu=620

not more then that...not only that on bus 260 the most i can get is 520..anything more just hang...and at bus 247 the most possible outcome is 618mhz...

and after some intencive test i think this is the best configaration for magican and stable too...

the setting is

(618,62,62,T)

L=19

N=5

A=0

Turbo=selected

Lcd_26=1

FastBus=selected

and i got

SI=384

MIPs=227

Memory=541


This is the best result i can achive anything more just hang up...

Did anyone able to achive something better then that and able to use it for a long time atlist for a day...?????

AND FOR BATTRY LIFE NEW VERSION V3.25 has someimprovement....that is..

in previous version if u do overclock or underclock...and keep ur set in idle mood then still it take up the juce of the battry quicker then normal idle mood...but in this release this bug is removed it doesnt take charge in idle mood but still in underclock mode u cant save battry life it will still take charge as normal mood...

[Carty]

Hello,

The maximum speed ive ever got is 975Mhz :)

I use Pocket music player and when its playing, it slows my device like hell. If i run concurrently with PHM, its damn fast that even when i listen to pocket music and work, device works in a speed like when Pocket music is not running. So its like double the speed! The only problem is, it heats up my device in 2hrs and then it hangs. I need to soft-reset and use it without PHM until device cools.

Regards
Carty..

[sacapo]

any cnofiguration works with my spv m500, i use pocket hack master v.3.15.00

Any suggestion??

regards :)

[sacapo]

any cnofiguration works with my spv m500, i use pocket hack master v.3.15.00

Any suggestion??

regards :)

1.12.03 ESN ;)

[sajib]

Hello,

The maximum speed ive ever got is 975Mhz :)

I use Pocket music player and when its playing, it slows my device like hell. If i run concurrently with PHM, its damn fast that even when i listen to pocket music and work, device works in a speed like when Pocket music is not running. So its like double the speed! The only problem is, it heats up my device in 2hrs and then it hangs. I need to soft-reset and use it without PHM until device cools.

Regards
Carty..


What was the setting like L,N etc u used to get that speed????

And what was the Si,MIPS AND MEMORY Banchmark u got with that speed...???

Thanks

[dralpk]

none of the above configurations above worked on my jam.

Always crashed

why why why????

[dralpk]

which version of PHM are you using?

3.15 ?? or 2006 version

[sajib]

which version of PHM are you using?

3.15 ?? or 2006 version

I have tested it with 3.15..and also 2006- 3.30 version...both worked

[dralpk]

Both crashed on my jam...


What is the brand of your magician?

jam / xda mini ...?

what makes the difference among magicians...

[dralpk]

Has everybody been successful?
Am I the only one who crashed I wonder?
Tried several times but none of the above confs worked...
why doesnt anybody coment on the issue?

[diveaces]

thanks for the tip!....the performance is really significant...tried on phm v3.2.5....
However I realise that the sys would crash when I switch on the camera...have you tried that?

[Ultimate Chicken]

Both settings caused a hang in PHM, forcing me to soft reboot.
On hindsight, it's not as bad as the complete screen washout I got when I tried a higher setting once. You haven't seen a crash and burn until you see your display dissolve - waterfall style. 0.0

ROM version might be the key. Maybe BigStorage or a later version of the ROM would interfere with overclocking.

[diveaces]

So far, this is really stable for me except for the camera portion. So when I need to use, I just switch back to 468MHz. Will keep experimenting :)
(618,62,62,T)
L=19
N=5
A=0
Turbo=selected
Lcd_26=1
FastBus=selected
SI=384
MIPs=227
Memory=541

[JamesManios]

I can't get this speed, (618) the highest I get is 585, but I also have the problem with the camera. I find different camera exe handle overclocking better.

CoolCamera < 1.03 could handle-- 520Mhz
CoolCamera > 1.03 can only handle-- 468Mhz
HTC Camera -> v2.70 build 21026-- 520Mhz

As for why some people can hit higher speeds then others, its probably because they got slightly better RAM chips then the batch in our phones. Its just like overclocking a computer, sometimes people can get more with the same hardware simply because some component is just able to handle it better, (luck of the draw, at least that is what I think...)

To confirm its not software, completely restore the device to factory, no bigstorage etc, then install PHM and see if you can get the higher 618 speeds.

[bchuertas]

Hi guys,

After spending few hours with PHM, reading Carty's overlocking guide ( http://cartystudios.com/articles/phm.html ), and going trought the PHM forums ( http://www.antontomov.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=509 ) I found what I think are the best configurations for my Magician.

For all the speed I ran the Full SPB Benchbark twice. All the test were performed after a Hard Reset, with Just PHM and SPB Benchmark installed on the main memory. the phone was connected to the mains. This test were about 40-60 mins long.

I’ve also tested all the configs with the Tcpmp video player benchmark. I normally got the same results (performance increase) that with SPB.

My main question was trying to find out what was the best performance for a different combination of parameters or if I should prioritize BUS, LCD or RAM speeds over clock speed or vice versa.

I can tell know that BUS, RAM and LCD play a BIG part on the performance. So I as posted here the best config for our Magician is CPU XXX, BUS 260, RAM 65, LCD 65.

As you can see the results the best overall performance was achieved with the CPU 520, BUS 260, RAM 65, LCD 65. Unfortunately my device didn’t handled the 650Mz like some people has posted here.

Another interesting result is that even the 260,260,65,65 configuration shows an 10% improvement over the original config (416,104,52,52). Also the fastest speed (1073Mhz) got an overall score smaller than the original (416Mhz) one, probably due to an slower RAM, although on the CPU test (Whetstones MFLOPS, MOPS, MWIPS) was significantly better.
Also CPU Test results for 644Mhz and 1073Mhz were very similar so I’ll suppose 650Mhz is about the top speed for the Intel PXA270.

After all of this I have left PHM with the Scale engine configure to use 3 speeds: 260, 390 and 520 all with 260BUS, 65RAM and 65LCD.


I leave you here some of the results in case you are interested.

Here is the table

http://bchuertas.googlepages.com/Results.htm

And the Graph

http://bchuertas.googlepages.com/Compa.PNG

I will end with a question for the experts.

Let's say we have a given similar Spb Benchmark index, We can achieve this by many different configurations of N and L (or CPU, BUR, RAM and LCD) for example the original config is similar to the 260,260,65,65 one. What will be the best configuration in means of battery life and heat (damage) for the device? Should we use a faster LCD, BUS and RAM over CPU or vice versa, etc.?

Cheers

[JamesManios]

Wow, that is some excellent work.
Would you mind posting the corresponding L,N,A values for each seperate setting?

[bchuertas]

Would you mind posting the corresponding L,N,A values for each seperate setting?

You could have get them by trying a bit, but I'll be good. ;-)

------------------------------L---N---A---Turbo---Halfturbo---Fast Bus---LCD_26
Original 416,104,52,52-----8----8---0---On------Off------------On--------1
Magician 260,260,65,65---20---2---0---On------Off------------On--------1
Magician 390,260,65,65---20---3---0---On------Off------------On--------1
Magician 520,260,65,65---20---4---0---On------Off------------On--------1
Magician 520,130,65,65---20---4---0---On------Off------------Off--------1
Magician 520,208,52,104--16---5---0---On------Off------------On--------1
Magician 553,221,55,55---17---5---0---On------Off------------On--------1
Magician 644,143,36,72---11---9---0---On------Off------------On------1/0
Magician 1073,72,36,72---11---15--0---On------Off------------Off-----1/0

[NashXDA]

Thanks it worked wonders on my Magician....

[sekinoss]

Wow great results. The highest I was able to get was 1600ish, but I'll give the new settings a go.

[sekinoss]

Settings work nicely. But I'm having problem reseting the speed back to default level. Setting the speed as original (416, 104, 52, 52) leads to freeze, so the only way to go back is to softreset... Any ideas?

[JamesManios]

You could have get them by trying a bit, but I'll be good.

Actually I did just hammer through and got them... :)

I was able to get 520, 260, 64, 64 going, but after about 3 minutes it crashed the device :-( I have to bring the RAM down to 59 for it to be really stable.

I have a question, for everyone that can hit 520,260,64,64 can you run the camera app? Mine crashes instantly whenever the camera is started and the bus/ram are at higher speeds.

[omega.brain]

Strange... any setting with bus speed over 100 crashed my machine.
I can only maintain it lower than the limit... :cry:

Finally, I got this incredible result: :shock:

731 98 49 98

L 15
N 15
A 0
T On
HT On
FB Off

:!: Noticed that my machine hangs when changing to a speed with different L factor... And, the album application hangs...

Other applications under testig... :roll:

[Carty]

I will end with a question for the experts.

Let's say we have a given similar Spb Benchmark index, We can achieve this by many different configurations of N and L (or CPU, BUR, RAM and LCD) for example the original config is similar to the 260,260,65,65 one. What will be the best configuration in means of battery life and heat (damage) for the device? Should we use a faster LCD, BUS and RAM over CPU or vice versa, etc.?

Cheers

Good question

Actually the default speed without PHM is the best speed which was tested to withstand various Processes, stress and heat that is stable and healthy for the processors.

So, i suggest you guys to use PHM only when necessary. Ex: When u need to play a game or music along with other use where you may find the device lagging. For normal use of calls, sms, close PHM!

[sekinoss]

The problem is, closing PHM doesn't revert back to the original speed. For me, the only way is to reset the device. Tried original settings but freezed. Whats the settings for factory speed?

[arovaris]

Well, how a i can to configure PHM to when I turn on PocketGBA, velocity go to 663, and when I close PocketGBA, velocity return to normal(416), (because 663 is unstable for other apps)????

[arovaris]

My Magician dont work with 260 bus!!!!!Any velocity!!

[bchuertas]

My Magician dont work with 260 bus!!!!!Any velocity!!

Which version of Pocket HakMaster are you using?

I found that with the version 4(beta) won't work on mine niether.

But If I use the latest stable version (v3.33) it will work OK.

[Prerna]

Hi all,

As I found the whole thing intresting, I got and installed PHM 3.33 on my Magician today, and I was trying to set it up the same like you guys mention.

Yet there must be something I miss here, because I don't find where in the menus I can enter the proposed settings. Could someone kindly indicate a short step by step "guide" how to enter safe values?

Thanks a lot in advance!

[NashXDA]

Off late i have been workin wit XCPUscalar and find this to be much more stable overall i installed it ran if for 48 hrs without a freeze [album] [CoolCamera]..I had the PHM for 1yr now always had some sort of Problem..No offence to the Maker and User of the Wonderfull program [I was one till abt 2days back]

[bchuertas]

Off late i have been workin wit XCPUscalar and find this to be much more stable overall i installed it ran if for 48 hrs without a freeze [album] [CoolCamera]..I had the PHM for 1yr now always had some sort of Problem..No offence to the Maker and User of the Wonderfull program [I was one till abt 2days back]

Have you done some performance test after using XCPUscalar (I'll recomend SPB Benchmark or TCMPG).

I've read many times that XCPUscalar does not work on the magician and even if it says the speed has changed, it doesn't (there is no performance increase) and this might splain why seems more stable (because it really doesn't hcange anything).

I haven't tried it personally so I can't say for sure.

[toomuchdogfur]

Have you done some performance test after using XCPUscalar (I'll recomend SPB Benchmark or TCMPG).

I've read many times that XCPUscalar does not work on the magician and even if it says the speed has changed, it doesn't (there is no performance increase) and this might splain why seems more stable (because it really doesn't hcange anything).

I haven't tried it personally so I can't say for sure.

Well I can vouch for XScalar working for underclocks. Reducing the clock speeds to 312, 208 and 104 has significant impacts on TCPMP video playback (where a XviD file which goes for ~270% at 412MHz drops to ~150% or less on 208) and also on the performance of some games (SkyForce has noticeable lag if you set XScale to 'Auto Scale according to load' and your lowest setting is 208MHz).

[NashXDA]

Off late i have been workin wit XCPUscalar and find this to be much more stable overall i installed it ran if for 48 hrs without a freeze [album] [CoolCamera]..I had the PHM for 1yr now always had some sort of Problem..No offence to the Maker and User of the Wonderfull program [I was one till abt 2days back]

Have you done some performance test after using XCPUscalar (I'll recomend SPB Benchmark or TCMPG).

I've read many times that XCPUscalar does not work on the magician and even if it says the speed has changed, it doesn't (there is no performance increase) and this might splain why seems more stable (because it really doesn't hcange anything).

I haven't tried it personally so I can't say for sure.



Yep that was partly true wit the older ver...I Did check my Clock speed on TCPMP does have a gain which is noticeble wen i play games on it..And The Auto scale does work better than PHM wit out any hangs that is...Plus the whole software is much smaller than PHM.

[Riel]

520 - 260 - 65 - 65 works perfect (Y)
I do not nodice significant battery drain..?

I got one strange bug, after setting new speed, when Pocket Hack closes (EXIT), the system hangs immediatedly ? A soft reset does the trick, but don't know the speeds then...

Do I need to have pocket-hack minimized (running) for working at greater speeds?

[NashXDA]

Yes u do..it needs to be running in the Background....Well guys XCPU caused a Hard reset now i'm back to PHM :lol:

[Prerna]

Yes u do..it needs to be running in the Background....Well guys XCPU caused a Hard reset now i'm back to PHM :lol:

PHM spoiled everything (can't make calls, several applications / games disappeared from start menus)

I swear it is the last time I give a chance to this kind of stuffs!

Now I'm doing an upgrade cum bigstorage to smooth my frustration ;)

[forcedv]

I'm just trying the latest trail version of Pocket Hack Master V4.14 and it causes my MDA Compact to freeze on every setting.

I'm trying to copy the settings on the first post in this thread and I believe that PHM V3.33 was used ?

Where can I download this older release or any release that can give me good results. Thanks.

[babak_73]

OK guys somebody here has wrong info about his CPU speed here! As it is very known Magician can not be running stable for bus speed above 130. On the other hand PHM is not very realible for the reported speed I would recomand try another program to check your numbers. As for me I couldn't get Magician running above 130 bus speed. But even in this speed it is quite fast. I can see quite noticable change in programs like ToTom for example.

Regards, Babak

[sarasasasa]

:cool: Ty very much to all of you for posting your findings.
im posting from a 520 260 65 65 clocked magician.
PHM 3.33 (version 4 failed)
vodafone VPA compact, PM10B
but it hangs after a while if i use it too long at this speed.
im still looking for more balanced settings.

[new_ppc_user]

i have given up using pocket hack master. i find xcpuscalar much more user friendly.