Bluetooth bug with Car Kits. Turns off and on and off and .

[benmorris]

I searched and didn't find any previous postings regarding an issue with Parrot and Audi Hands Free (Bluetooth) car kits and the TyTn.

This issue is only with the TyTn and the Wizard devices work fine.

It seems to pair fine with the car kits but 5 minutes into usage...the TyTn turns the bluetooth off on the device.

Then about 1 min later, turns Bluetooth on again. The cycle then begins Off and then On ....

Here's a link on the Parrot forum.

http://www.parrot.biz/forums/english/viewtopic.php?id=2667

[The Spank]

I've got the same problem with my Seat Leon (new model) bluetooth carkit !!!

I think it's the same module as in the Audi (all VAG related cars).

It's very irritating !

I hope they will fix it soon....

[woke]

http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=58789&highlight=
:wink:

[Pyranwolf]

Er... not followed as far as parrot (down for maintennance) BUT

I've found with my Seat Leon kit that the phone needs to remain in a fully powered state - you can't put it into the sleepy state by the power button otherwise you get the intermittent but eventually endless dingling of it connecting and disconnecting.

Best way I've found is to leave it on asking for a password with the cover on. :)

edit: Should just point out that you also need to turn off any power off settings - except for the backlight.

[The Spank]

Er... not followed as far as parrot (down for maintennance) BUT

I've found with my Seat Leon kit that the phone needs to remain in a fully powered state - you can't put it into the sleepy state by the power button otherwise you get the intermittent but eventually endless dingling of it connecting and disconnecting.

Best way I've found is to leave it on asking for a password with the cover on. :)

edit: Should just point out that you also need to turn off any power off settings - except for the backlight.

I'm going to try this !

I hope that it works.

Thanks anyway.

What kind of Leon do you have ?

[paul_o]

I've got an A6 with BT kit and am having this problem. I cannot make/receive a call whilst running my BT GPS device & TomTom, although from reading this the issue may be the Audi kit anyhow.

Are there any fixes available - be it HTC or Audi? Or are there any work-arounds, such as add-on software for the TyTN??

Please help - it is driving me mad. Spoiling what is otherwise a great piece of kit.

[Markee]

I have been having this exact problem with my Audi A4 with Audi Bluetooth.

I did wonder if it was in some way connected with the phone going into sleepy mode as it is being powered by the phone battery.

Also, the bluetooth stops responding after 5-10 minutes, but if I am continously using the phone, it seems to be ok.

Therefore, I think I need to buy an in car charger, and see what happens...

Has anybody else tried this that can confirm it works?

Markee

[Markee]

Just a quick note to Paul_o

My Audi A4 / SPV M3100 / Tom Tom / Bluetooth GPS work fine together.

If I am in Tom Tom, and get an incoming call, the little call window pops up over Tom Tom, Tom Tom carries on and the phone audio is routed through the speakers - the only irritating thing is that the Tom Tom lady keeps interrupting... :wink:

Mark

[carles_p_a]

Hi,
I'm using Vario 2 with Audi Bluetooth and also having the BT ON - BT OFF issues.
These are my findings.
- Without JETWARE software:
- BT goes ON and OFF in the car regardless of the VARIO 2 being on or stand-by, or the phone being battery powered or connected to the car.
- Once a conversation is started the BT connection seems to be remain ON.

- With JETWARE software
- If I leave the screen always on the BT connection stays always ON. Only backlight automatic switch-off is selected
- I have tried several screen toggle programs (which claim that they only power down the screen) but the BT goes OFF in the car after a few minutes.

I'm happy to test any other proposal.
Cheers,
C

[dh]

What version of JetWare are you running, they have a beta which has settings for the Audi kit, this may help, there is also a registry setting that is meant to change the power settings when bt is connected. An extract from an email conversation with Jetware...

We have also addressed the power issue, but this fix requires a registry change. Please create a DWORD registry value in HKLM\Software\JETware\AGExt named InSessionPower with a value of 0 (valid values are 0-4, with lower values indicating greater power availability). This will tell the OS that the Bluetooth device should stay at full power while it is in a Hands-free session.

Not sure if this will help, my Hermes is ariving on Monday, I'm was hoping that all the problems i've had with my magicain and the audi kit would go away with the Hermes, but maybe not.

Give the key a go and let me know

[carles_p_a]

Hi dh,
thanks for your reply.
I haven't installed the Beta version yet. However I have changed the registry setting and will test first thing tomorrow. If this doesn't fix the problem I will try the Beta version with the Audi setting.
I'll keep you posted.
Cheers,
Carles

[carles_p_a]

Hi dh,
I have tested the two proposals (Change in the registry and the Beta version + Audi settings) without much luck. The BT connection with the car keeps going ON and OFF when the phone is running on battery.
Have you got your Hermes? any luck?
Thanks,
Carles

[dh]

Got my Hermes (Orange M3100) a couple of days ago. I've installed the JetWare extention, and without the InSessionPower set the connection is dropped. So far with the setting applied it has stayed connected. I have had other problems like not being able to make calls etc, which is a bit of a issue. I need to do some more testing, as i've been messing with the phone a bit.

I'll update here in a couple of days

Must say i'm very disapointed with the phone regarding this. A couple of weeks ago i had a Wizard which worked flawlessly with the JetWare extention, no power issues, calls made and received without a single problem. I wonder what has changed with the bt implementation between the Wizard and the Hermes?

[Markee]

Hi dh,

You will see from my previous postings I have had the same problems too.

It should be noted, though, that the Vario (wizard) worked flawlessly with the Audi A4 Bluetooth without Jetware software.

Has anybody been able to prove there is no problems if the phone (SPVM3100) is powered whilst in the car?

Cheers

Mark

[davidap]

I have a factory fitted hands free system in my Vauxhall. Every other phone you can think of works with it...EXCEPT my XDA mini. It seems to pair up, but there is no signal showing from the carkit. It might work for a minute and then it drops out. Is it the XDA or Vauxhall that's at fault? It seems that nobody knows the answer and I paid serious money for this bit of car kit. I like the phone, it really is annoying. I have tried another XDA mini as well and that doesn't work either. Does anybody else have a Vauxhall with the same built-in system and not connecting?:confused:

[dh]

Markee

I've had the phone plugged in without the registry entry and it seemed to be ok. If I can get to a stage of a working solution i'll test again without the registry entry and with external power.

[ScottC]

Must say i'm very disapointed with the phone regarding this. A couple of weeks ago i had a Wizard which worked flawlessly with the JetWare extention, no power issues, calls made and received without a single problem. I wonder what has changed with the bt implementation between the Wizard and the Hermes?

I'm guessing that since they went from BT1.1 to BT2.0 they had to make a new stack.

My Wizard worked PERFECTLY on my Parrot, my TyTN is almost useless on it.

[dh]

you make a very good point ScottC, that'll be what it is.
Just driven home and could not make a single call with Jetware installed. Removed it and i could at least make a call, but i didn't get any status info or phone book. I didn't get a chance to leave it connected without Jetware for longer enough to see if it disconnected without external power, i imagine it will. I will test some more later/tomorrow. I'll also send an email to Jetware to see what there thoughts are regarding bt v2.0 and their product

[carles_p_a]

Hello,
I have an Audi A3 with the factory fitted Phone kit but without the Audi Craddle so I'm using the Bluetooth connection.
I have tried the Vario (Wizard/QTEK 9100) and Vario 2 (Hermes/TyTN) and had similar problems with the two of them. Once the connection is stablished I can make and receive calls without problems. The issue is that the BT connection goes ON and OFF without an apparent reason.
The only thing I have seen is that when the Vario is kept on (only the backlight is off) the BT connection normally stays ON, regardless of the phone being powered or not.
I have tried Jetware, the Beta version, the registry entry, programs to switch off the screen...but haven't seen any real difference.

I have bought a bluetooth USB stick and will do some test at home to see if the problem is with the car or the phone.

I called T-mobile and they said it was a faulty phone, but I don't think so.

Keep the postings, we might end up finding a solution
Cheers
C

[colvaq]

Try upgrade the BT software. I had the same problem after that i upgraded de Parrot software. Now i have the version 4.16

[ScottC]

Try upgrade the BT software. I had the same problem after that i upgraded de Parrot software. Now i have the version 4.16

Did that, and it didn't solve a thing.

[paul_o]

I've just installed the latest ROM, so I'll see if that fixes it tomorrow (Audi A6 MMI kit issues).......long journey to Leatherhead - joy!

[dh]

paul_o, be interested how you get on, from what ive tested so far i can make an initial call without any problems, when i leave the car (A6 MMI with BT intergration) and return i cannot make calls without soft resetting the phone. this is after a complete hard reset and withpout installing any additional software, except Orange extended Rom.

I've emailed JetWare and they are awareof the problem, seem to think its something to do with bt not resetting after the session.

[mihaixl]

I think the problem is in wm5! I have same problem with my Holux Gps receiver!After 4-5 minutes bt is off and then on!

[paul_o]

Audi MMI BT Update:

Ok, the update is - there is no update. Even with the new ROM installed, I have to manually choose "Turn Hands Free off" from the menu whilst in a call in order to be able to speak to/hear the caller

Grrrr....

(to dh) try this instead of resetting the phone. It is fiddly when receiving a call, but not too much of a pain when calling out. Sure beats a reset, but still not acceptable for a £500 phone!

[dh]

paul_o, When you turn handsfree off i'm assuming you are then just using the handset, or does this then pass the audio through the mmi?

I totally agree, 500 quid and it seems things have gone backwards.
When i had a wizard for a couple of weeks with the Jetware mobile software installed everything just worked.

I've currently got bluetooth turned off

[paul_o]

paul_o, When you turn handsfree off i'm assuming you are then just using the handset, or does this then pass the audio through the mmi?

Correct. Click the menu button on the TyTN and choose "Turn hands free off" and hey presto, you can speak/hear - I guess this is resetting the headset profile or somthing (technical people will correct me here?)

[pukka]

i have had a XDA Exec and a vario II both have the same problem with them and the bluetooth. but i have found the settings that stop the bluetooth turning off most of the time, i get a drop out about once every 2 week.

if you got in to settings\personal\lock

and set a simple pin, and a time of say 24 hours that should sort it. i also have the jetware software on the phone too just to display the t-mobile and the power level.

if you have a parrot kit. on the jetware set the number of contacts from outlook to 0 and then i use pocketinformat to beam them all over this sorts the numbers correct, then once a month i manually resync them.

oh and the 2 other bugs i have found with the parrot kit.. when it turns on it says call in progess but they is not one there. (just press the red button) and the other one is when a call comes in the phone answers but they is no one there, (press the green button twice)

Hope it helps someone out

Paul

[dh]

Paul, ill get it a try, thanks

[MatrixNeoX]

I have a MDA Vario and a Vario II. With the Vario I have no problems with Bluetooth it works great with my Parrot CK3200 and with my BMW e60 build in Bluetooth System.


With the Vario II I have exactly the same Problems with turning on and off all the time.


A friend of mine has a MDA Pro Unit which also have the same problems as my Vario II.


Because these Units are the first HTC Models with 3G I thought it could be a problem with the 3G radio-unit in these models.


I turned of the 3G Modus (settings in phone to GSM only!) after this I had no more problems with bluetooth (more then one week) ...


Can anybody confirm this issue? Please let me know ...


Greetings

MatrixNeoX

[carles_p_a]

Hi MatrixNeoX,
good point. I will try this tonight and will post the results tomorrow.
Thanks
C

[Markee]

Will try this too on my Orange SPV M3100 on Orange.

Mark

[paul_o]

I turned of the 3G Modus (settings in phone to GSM only!) after this I had no more problems with bluetooth (more then one week) ...

Not sure exactly how to do this - would I go into phone settings menu, choose options, then choose band tab and change network type from auto to GSM?

[MatrixNeoX]

@paul_o

Yes, that's right ...

[akirkby]

I have a factory fitted hands free system in my Vauxhall. Every other phone you can think of works with it...EXCEPT my XDA mini. It seems to pair up, but there is no signal showing from the carkit. It might work for a minute and then it drops out. Is it the XDA or Vauxhall that's at fault? It seems that nobody knows the answer and I paid serious money for this bit of car kit. I like the phone, it really is annoying. I have tried another XDA mini as well and that doesn't work either. Does anybody else have a Vauxhall with the same built-in system and not connecting?:confused:

I have exactly the same problems with my XDA Mini S and a Vauxhall factory fit kit - Do you have Tomtom installed? Mine worked ok until I installed Tomtom. TT support say it is down to their SW and that it won't work...

[Viper®]

Same problem here too

Gladly I have a active brodend mda pro holder, so it's on power in the car.

Still if I use my bt gps receiver it works 100%, but when I want to call or get called it looks like my headset needs to reconnect. Almost looks like it can only handle one active BT connection and the GPS is pushing away the headset.

very annoying shit

Besides that, if the mda pro is not on power, same problem as everyone. My BT headset doesn't work most of the times to answer calls because off the turning on device > turning off BT

crappy gadgets

[bobstarina]

I turned of the 3G Modus (settings in phone to GSM only!) after this I had no more problems with bluetooth (more then one week) ...

Can anybody confirm this issue? Please let me know ...


I've just tryed to do so...
It does not help.
With "GSM" settings the bluetooth connection is still dropped randomly.

[rwijnhov]

same problems here.

[carles_p_a]

Hi all,
This is my experience. I have a T-Mobile Vario 2 (aka HTV TyTN) and a factory fitted Phone kit on my Audi A3. I have no problem pairing them or making/receiving calls. The main issue is that the BT connection between the car and the Vario keeps on dropping ON and OFF.

After several tests (with and w/o power, switching on and off the Vario...) I came to the conclusion that the problem was in the VARIO switching off Bluetooth after a period of time to save battery. So the solution was to keep the Vario connected to power and the phone always on. However I didn't like this as I would end up over powering the battery and burning the screen.

Finally I have found a software that switches off the screen while keeping Bluetooth active. This is called MortSaver and it has much more applications: http://www.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=14321.

In summary, with the phone running on battery and using MortSaver to switch off the screen, the BT connection remained on without problems.

If anyone tries it, please let me know if it also worked.
C
PD: At the same time as MortSaver I also installed this Today Plug-in using a registry tweak. I don't know if this made any difference but just in case (is also a nice plug-in BTW):
http://www.htcwizardweb.net/node/338

[evexel]

Hello i've the same problem with my HTC TYTN and Adi A4.
I want to try Mortsaver. Can you tell met what kind of settings you use? (Mortsaver Options / Power off Emergency exit / What to choose?)

Thanks,

Edwin.

[carles_p_a]

Hello i've the same problem with my HTC TYTN and Adi A4.
I want to try Mortsaver. Can you tell met what kind of settings you use? (Mortsaver Options / Power off Emergecy exit / What to choose?)

Thanks,

Edwin.

Hi Edwin,
these are the settings I have:

DEACTIVATION:
- Screen time-out: 15 (s)
- Power off: 20 (s)
- 1st button: Assigned button (I use the voice dialing button)
- 2nd button: None
- Show countdown...: Yes
- Other application...: Yes
DISPLAY:
(up to you)
POWER OFF
- Turn off device..: No
- Turn off device...: Yes
- Activate MortSaver...: Yes
- Emergecy exit...: 10 (s)
- Show message...: Yes
SCREEN POP-US
- No
- Yes
- Yes
PHONE FEATURES:
- No
- Yes
- Yes
- Yes

What I normally do, is as soon as I jump into the car is to switch-off the screen by pressing the "voice dial" button.
Let me know how do you get along.

Cheers,
C

[evexel]

Hi Charles,

Thanks for the settings. Today i've tested it and it worked fine.
I was in the car for 3 hours without problems. I hope this will continue?

Thanks for the information.

Greetings,

edwin.

[carles_p_a]

Hi Charles,

Thanks for the settings. Today i've tested it and it worked fine.
I was in the car for 3 hours without problems. I hope this will continue?

Thanks for the information.

Greetings,

edwin.

Hi Edwin,
the only thing is not working on my phone is the autoreply (automatic pick-up after x rings). I think this is due to Jetware extensions. Do you use them? does the autoreply work on your phone?
Thanks
Carles

[evexel]

Hi Carles,

When did have Jetware on my HTC TyTn and then it was working O.K.
Whithout Jetware the same problem of / on. About auto-reply i will tested for you. I shall install Jetware again and hope that it's working again.

Regards,

Edwin.

[rsolomon]

I have the following:
Cingular 8525 w/ROM 1.34
Parrot CK3100LCD w/firmware 4.16C
Microsoft Voice Command 1.6 with the XCSdM hack http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1067942

I have not noticed the BT dropping issue, though I've seen the occasional failure to connect on entering the car and starting the Parrot.

I read with some interest all the information here about Jetware http://www.jetwaremobile.com/ and wondered if anyone has tried Jetware 1.20 with VoiceCommand 1.6 and/or the XCSdM hack? I'd like to get better synchronization than the cr@p which the MS BT stack supports now, but I'm afraid of losing the BT VoiceCommand integration....

Any Been There Done Thats around?

TIA,
Richard

[saxtoft]

Hi,
I have been followong this thread for a while.
I have an Audi and a THC and exactly the same problem as everybody else with the BT turning on and off all the time. It helped to turn off the power saving features powering down the unit, but then it uses a lot of power, so I installed the MortSaver and configurated it as specified.

My experience is that it works exactly like turning off the power down feature apart from the screen power down activated by a selectable button.

How do you get it to power down the screen automatically (not only turning off the light), ie. without pushing the selected button? I thourght that was what it did under the setting deactivation/activation/power off time out.

Maybe it does not work properly as no matter what I write in "screen off timeout" or "power off timeout", the screen light turns off after 5 seconds and the unit never powers off the screen totally. Or maybe some other settings needs to be set differently.