Advatanges of Empty Ext. Rom

[Zaiaku]

I've tried looking around for the answer to this but I guess I keep missing it. From what I'm good find the only reason one would have an empty Ext. Rom is to have more rom space on the phone. But not even sure what good that would do exactly.

Can anyone share some light and infom me please?

[bhang]

this is just like what we used to do to get rid of the sh1tty PIM apps on the Palm3 series, erase all the unnecessarry bits from the rom then you can use and app to make a "rom-disk" so you can use the space...

I myself would love to see a rom without any pim apps since I use third party apps for all these functions. and i'd kill file explorer and im sure there are others..

I gonna try to just add all my apps to a custom rom then just flash that, then even a hard reset you have all your apps... I think this is the "GOAL" here, I think unlocking the space and making it visible is working but writing needs another app and may not be "tom,dick and harry friendly, just yet".
Im gonna look into just cooking a rom with all the apps off I want off and as many of my third party apps in it, this seems the best way to go, from what Ive read, rom cooking on a PC is much easier than "adding/deleting" from ROM on board, at this point.

Its is a bit easier on board, but not safer, flashing is always dangerous, and removing things from the palm roms had som undesired affects that had to be ferreted out, It is not a PLUG and PLAY project...But its not all that hard, All this is theory that ive built up since I bought this thing about 3 weeks back, I have yet to test any of this, this isn't meant to be a howto but more a how-Im_gonna_try-it..

bhang

[markgamber]

On what seems like every phone except the wizard, you can write to the ext rom, install apps to it, etc. That was the case with my old Blue Angel phone, anyway. With the wizard, you can't write to it without trashing it so the only thing it's really good for is when creating a custom rom, you can stick stuff in there to be installed after the flash or hard reset. Then it's basically useless. Woo hoo, huh? :)

[shogunmark]

this is just like what we used to do to get rid of the sh1tty PIM apps on the Palm3 series, erase all the unnecessarry bits from the rom then you can use and app to make a "rom-disk" so you can use the space...

I myself would love to see a rom without any pim apps since I use third party apps for all these functions. and i'd kill file explorer and im sure there are others..

I gonna try to just add all my apps to a custom rom then just flash that, then even a hard reset you have all your apps... I think this is the "GOAL" here, I think unlocking the space and making it visible is working but writing needs another app and may not be "tom,dick and harry friendly, just yet".
Im gonna look into just cooking a rom with all the apps off I want off and as many of my third party apps in it, this seems the best way to go, from what Ive read, rom cooking on a PC is much easier than "adding/deleting" from ROM on board, at this point.

Its is a bit easier on board, but not safer, flashing is always dangerous, and removing things from the palm roms had som undesired affects that had to be ferreted out, It is not a PLUG and PLAY project...But its not all that hard, All this is theory that ive built up since I bought this thing about 3 weeks back, I have yet to test any of this, this isn't meant to be a howto but more a how-Im_gonna_try-it..

bhang

i am also looking into doing the same thing.. like you mentioned i think the only thing its good for is to have your programs after a hard reset, it would certainly be more conveniant, not to mention i would like to remove some of the cingular garbage that gets added...

[Zaiaku]

this is just like what we used to do to get rid of the sh1tty PIM apps on the Palm3 series, erase all the unnecessarry bits from the rom then you can use and app to make a "rom-disk" so you can use the space...

I myself would love to see a rom without any pim apps since I use third party apps for all these functions. and i'd kill file explorer and im sure there are others..

I gonna try to just add all my apps to a custom rom then just flash that, then even a hard reset you have all your apps... I think this is the "GOAL" here, I think unlocking the space and making it visible is working but writing needs another app and may not be "tom,dick and harry friendly, just yet".
Im gonna look into just cooking a rom with all the apps off I want off and as many of my third party apps in it, this seems the best way to go, from what Ive read, rom cooking on a PC is much easier than "adding/deleting" from ROM on board, at this point.

Its is a bit easier on board, but not safer, flashing is always dangerous, and removing things from the palm roms had som undesired affects that had to be ferreted out, It is not a PLUG and PLAY project...But its not all that hard, All this is theory that ive built up since I bought this thing about 3 weeks back, I have yet to test any of this, this isn't meant to be a howto but more a how-Im_gonna_try-it..

bhang

I fully agree with you on that. One of the major things I hate about flashing a new rom and having to re-install all the apps 1 by . To be able to hard reset with all the programs install would definitely top notch.

[sajib]

Just a question for all the developers here...

As like we did in magician where we could remove the ext rom and then add it again with the phone memory to increase the size of phone memory from 7mb to wooping 27mb (Bigstorage Hack)....Is it possible to do it with TyTN phone memory toooo...??that means by not using the seperately 7-10mb of ext rom with reg hack but adding it completely with the phones 48mb thus increasing it to 60mb or so...???

Thanks

[wgary]

Just a question for all the developers here...

As like we did in magician where we could remove the ext rom and then add it again with the phone memory to increase the size of phone memory from 7mb to wooping 27mb (Bigstorage Hack)....Is it possible to do it with TyTN phone memory toooo...??that means by not using the seperately 7-10mb of ext rom with reg hack but adding it completely with the phones 48mb thus increasing it to 60mb or so...???

Thanks
It would be brilliant if someone could do this. But there are different kinds of storage on WM5 devices, which is why the allocation slider between storage and program memory in the memory panel is not operational. So I'm not sure that the recovered memory would be usable as program memory... maybe just add some storage memory. Just not sure...

[bhang]

what we need to do is get a fresh rom, xelencin's 2.25 tmob is what Im thinking of using, then I want to take out


excel
power point
calender
contacts
tasks
file explorer?(it might pay to keep this just in case)

that should be a good start, then Im gonna try to add to the ROM,
Pocket informant
resco explorer and regedit
Hitchhiker
spb pocketplus

I think Im just gonna use the ext rom that comes with the above mentioned rom, so ill add any apps that i cant fit into my "edited" ROM into the EXT rom, i think i should be able to add them to the "stock" extrom

I have tons of reading to do before I think I'll have a rom Im willing to flash to my wiz, is there an emulator for pc to test roms before flashing them?

Is all of this possible, with available tools?, from what Ive read it is but somebody tell me if im wrong...

bhang

[shogunmark]

im a noob at this... i have only made 1 successful rom so far and it was just the extended rom that i changed.. So let me share some light on yours to the best of my knowledge so far...

Now as far as excel, PP, Calendar, tasks and file explorer.. i think they are actually part of the OS and not in the extended rom. Cause if you take a clean rom with 1 or 2 files in the extended rom like Mulski's then you still end up with all of those programs.. (someone please correct me if im wrong)

And as far as what you want to add.. Yes thats possible, you would need to add those to the extended rom (but not on the device) Do some searching on what you need to to.. there are some great threads out there that give you step by step instructions... which for some reason i cant find at this point in time... was gonna give you the link, but i just spent 30 minutes searching and cant the thread with a pdf of step by step instructions on making a rom...

[Zaiaku]

I think I read that's what Summiter is overall aiming to do. Make so we can choose what we want. I can definitely use a feature like removing powerpoint and the rest of the stuff I never use.