When will the I-mate Jasjam come out in Australia???????

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Hi all I am just wondering when the Jasjam will be out in Australia? Also would you recommend it? If not what would you recommend? Thanks heaps.

[Osir1s]

The jasjam is expected to come out in Australia sometime between when hell freezes over and when Telstra gets their act together. Telstra has an exclusive deal to sell the imate jasjam up until xmas or there abouts. Its expected to launch late sept/early october on Telstra.

Additionally Dopod in conjunction with 3 will launch the Dopod 838Pro later this month or early next month, this is a similar device to the jasjam just different rom/bundled software/casing and the dopod is expected to be alot cheaper then the imate, imate are charging more for their variant for some reason.

I would recommend any Hermes device, bar the CHT 9000 and any O2 Asia variants. I found the TyTN very useful, fast, efficient, light weight, and whilst I liked the 'spacier' button layout of the TyTN the M3100 (also same layout as Jasjam and dopod 838Pro) was still all of the above just a little less room for error with the buttons and when your in a hurry.

[PPCNUT]

Thanks heaps for all the info it has really helped!!!!!

[PPCNUT]

One question how would the warranty work if I got one from U.K or USA on E-bay?

[PPCNUT]

Osir1s I take it that you have got a tytn? Ifso where did you get it? If you don't mind my asking how much did you pay for it? Thanks heaps.

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Osir1s would it be OK if I added you to my MSN Messenger contacts?

[Osir1s]

Regardless of whether you purchase a jasjam, tytn, dopod, etc etc since none are currently sold in Australia all of them will carry an international warranty. HTC Warranty is very good as its international and transferrable, i-mate for example can be real pricks with their warranties from time to time, dopod im not sure about etc.

You may also be interested to know if you really want a jasjam expansys newzealand, not AU but the new zealand website can sell the jasjams to Australians however you will pay $1410 for it.

I purchased my TyTN through ebay, but look around there are plenty of stores selling TyTNs, its the dopods, jasjams, trions that are harder to come by. I have no experience with these people but alot of ppl on these boards in another thread recommend www.smart-mobile-gadgets.com or MadMonkeyBoys website whatever that is.

For a TyTN you shouldnt pay more then $1100AU put it that way. obviously as aforementioned jasjams etc will set you back more, but for the TyTN no more then $1100AU, maybe $1120 at absolutely max depending on the exchange rate at the time.

I hope this has been of some help.

[PPCNUT]

Any news on the release date?

[godtakeit]

it will be released around christmas time. This device is currently tested and configured for telstra 3G wap portal.

[PPCNUT]

That long?

[superduper]

DOPOD is officilally launched as business in Australia in Sydney last week.

both DOPOD 838 pro and DOPD 595 are coming to Australia and will be disrtibuted by 3 Networks and OPTUS. Also, thanks to Brightpoint, these models will be also available in retail chains.

[godtakeit]

yeah, they tried to implement it into their DB device but fails due to the firmware problem. [ Can not Stream the live video and video on demand ]. However, their appointed partner ( which I can not tell you - I am working for that company ) is working on it and this device is going to deploy sometime next week.

[gregnash]

Good to hear. I also heard a date next week for something related, and think there would be a very big hole if Jasjam isn't part of it.
but, does this mean it will launch feature-incomplete with a promise that "the rest will come real soon now"?

[gunigugu]

yeah, they tried to implement it into their DB device but fails due to the firmware problem. [ Can not Stream the live video and video on demand ]. However, their appointed partner ( which I can not tell you - I am working for that company ) is working on it and this device is going to deploy sometime next week.

So you have been working on a software solution to stream real media??? or am I reading to much into this?

Because I have a JasJar, and still to date, have been unable to watch any video streams at all.

Would be really intersted to hear what you were working on.....

[godtakeit]

In the past, Telstra 3G live stream only supports 3GP and RM (Real Media ) since there is no PDA device in their so-called marketing list. However, they decide to bring PDA into the market and support wm9 format.

Problem is, Windows Media Player connects into the media server but fails to extract and pick up the correct video format ( for the optimal & performance purposes ). We found firmware isn't compatible with media stream server. Solution is to let Telstra deal with their supplier instead of putting this job to us.

Not only this device, they also bring new palm PDA devices ( which run WM5 AKU 2.x ) as well as new blackberry.

Sometimes during Christmas, you guys will see bounch of new devices release to market. I think it will be sold around 1100 AUD.

[godtakeit]

To gunigugu

You won't be able to stream at all because Jasjar is not in their 3G DB device list. Only those devices that are in that list will be able to load 3G WAP Portal and stream. There are 2 conditions to stream video content :

1. Your device is in DB device list
2. You are active subscriber ( either Telstra or 3 )


Same to anyone who has problem with 3 Provider. They restricted number of devices that can connect and view any video content from their WAP site.

If you want to view the 3 or Telstra WAP portal, you have to modify the User Profile, UA differences to any devices which are currently supported by 3 or Telstra. I can list some of them ( Sony Ericsson K600i, K610, Motorola V3x, Nokia N70, N80, Samsung Z150, Z400, Z510 and some other devices I can not remember their model No ) .

[gunigugu]

To gunigugu

You won't be able to stream at all because Jasjar is not in their 3G DB device list. Only those devices that are in that list will be able to load 3G WAP Portal and stream. There are 2 conditions to stream video content :

1. Your device is in DB device list
2. You are active subscriber ( either Telstra or 3 )


Same to anyone who has problem with 3 Provider. They restricted number of devices that can connect and view any video content from their WAP site.

If you want to view the 3 or Telstra WAP portal, you have to modify the User Profile, UA differences to any devices which are currently supported by 3 or Telstra. I can list some of them ( Sony Ericsson K600i, K610, Motorola V3x, Nokia N70, N80, Samsung Z150, Z400, Z510 and some other devices I can not remember their model No ) .

Thanks for the tip, we (the guys on the universal forum) have worked this out already...

But we've ran into 2 hurdles:
1: Streaming video. It seems purely software, in that we can't find any software capable of playing real media streams compatiable with windows mobile 2005.

We are all able to access the web portal, and get anything we like, just when it comes to streaming, the software isn't working properly.

Any advice?

2: MMS For some reason, regardless of the settings used, we just can not get it to send/recieve. We are able to see the headers, but thats it.

Thanks for any help or information you can provide. We are all very greatful.

[godtakeit]

To gunigugu

Your problem :

1. Streaming video. It seems purely software, in that we can't find any software capable of playing real media streams compatiable with windows mobile 2005.

It is because the User Profile that you used for HTC Universal or any PDA devices belongs to other device that has different method of handling video stream & method calls. Modified trick is only applied when you want to browse Provider's WAP site. Real Media for PPC has different way of handling method calls ( get content function, trigger media manager of device function, create secure & authenticate user & device & connection function) than Real Media for S60, Symbian.

Soon they put TyTn into their DB list, ( I think 3 will do the same with their PDA devices which are running WM5 ). you can use those's User profile to enjoy streaming content. But for now, I don't think you can.

2. MMS For some reason, regardless of the settings used, we just can not get it to send/recieve. We are able to see the headers, but thats it

I don't know much about MMS because it is handled by other groups.

From my understanding, there are 2 checks on MMS server

1. Check device to see whether it is capable of MMS or not
2. Same network's subscribers.


I have not seen any reason why we can not send MMS, no idea but I can find out more infos about this.

My group is responsible for Content delivery platform and Multimedia services.


Hope it helps

[gunigugu]

To gunigugu

Your problem :

1. Streaming video. It seems purely software, in that we can't find any software capable of playing real media streams compatiable with windows mobile 2005.

It is because the User Profile that you used for HTC Universal or any PDA devices belongs to other device that has different method of handling video stream & method calls. Modified trick is only applied when you want to browse Provider's WAP site. Real Media for PPC has different way of handling method calls ( get content function, trigger media manager of device function, create secure & authenticate user & device & connection function) than Real Media for S60, Symbian.

Soon they put TyTn into their DB list, ( I think 3 will do the same with their PDA devices which are running WM5 ). you can use those's User profile to enjoy streaming content. But for now, I don't think you can.

2. MMS For some reason, regardless of the settings used, we just can not get it to send/recieve. We are able to see the headers, but thats it

I don't know much about MMS because it is handled by other groups.

From my understanding, there are 2 checks on MMS server

1. Check device to see whether it is capable of MMS or not
2. Same network's subscribers.


I have not seen any reason why we can not send MMS, no idea but I can find out more infos about this.

My group is responsible for Content delivery platform and Multimedia services.


Hope it helps

Man, your amazing!

Where the hell have you been, most of us, on the universal thread, have been pulling our hair out, trying to organise this!!!

So would I be right in assuming, that the TyTn will be the first WM2005 built into the database.

Does WM2005 go into more specifics such as model number, i.e. JasJar and TyTn. OR am I to assume, that after they are done putting TyTn into the db list, that my universal, will work perfectly with the portal.

BTW, can I ask, what software have you used, to play the real media streams? As this is an area we've had alot of trouble with in relation to wm2005.

[godtakeit]

In the past, Telstra had planned to bring Jasjar into AUST market but they were never done it. ( I don't know why - my assumption is because this device is too big and most of mobile user in Australia is only care about size and fashion phone than the phone that has lots of functionalities ).

It was a mistake and in order to correct their mistake and trying to gain PDA market share ( they lost PDA market to 3 for Motorola A1000, Motorola A925, Nokia E61 - All are running Symbian OS with Real Player installed), tyTn and other WM5 devices are tested and ready to be released.

Don't know about the price yet but they bought tytn through I-mate with HTC supported .

Like I said before, Telstra has no intention of bringing Jasjar into this market ( maybe they will change in the future but who knows, they used to bring Nokia 9500 device into Market ) . Because Jasjar and tytn share the same operating system as well as stream media player ( they will be built with AKU 2.x ) therefore, the User Profile's modification will work with Streaming media thing. Still you have to modify your header. :) ( put Tytn's User profile into Jasjar, it will do the trick )

Telstra will put WM9 into their media server. Nothing secrets, it is a plain Windows Media Player 10. RM can be played through customised RealMedia Player for ppc. That's what we have got in here :)

[gunigugu]

In the past, Telstra had planned to bring Jasjar into AUST market but they were never done it. ( I don't know why - my assumption is because this device is too big and most of mobile user in Australia is only care about size and fashion phone than the phone that has lots of functionalities ).

It was a mistake and in order to correct their mistake and trying to gain PDA market share ( they lost PDA market to 3 for Motorola A1000, Motorola A925, Nokia E61 - All are running Symbian OS with Real Player installed), tyTn and other WM5 devices are tested and ready to be released.

Don't know about the price yet but they bought tytn through I-mate with HTC supported .

Like I said before, Telstra has no intention of bringing Jasjar into this market ( maybe they will change in the future but who knows, they used to bring Nokia 9500 device into Market ) . Because Jasjar and tytn share the same operating system as well as stream media player ( they will be built with AKU 2.x ) therefore, the User Profile's modification will work with Streaming media thing. Still you have to modify your header. :) ( put Tytn's User profile into Jasjar, it will do the trick )

Telstra will put WM9 into their media server. Nothing secrets, it is a plain Windows Media Player 10. RM can be played through customised RealMedia Player for ppc. That's what we have got in here :)

Hi GodTakeIt,

I'm sorry to keep bothering you like this, it's just, your our closest hope to getting the JasJar working perfectly like we all want...

I'm going to guess, that 3 have no plans on implmenting WM streaming into their servers..

So that leaves alot of us, back in the dust, unless we can get our hands on a customised real media player for WM5, which we have yet to see...

Also wouldn't implementing a wmv streaming server, require quite a bit of work, not just initally, but also to continually have to re-encode all videos into WMV. Is this what Telstra is really doing?

Also do you know if 3, has any plans to implement any WM5 handsets into their database? Because I think, that's where we're all left outta luck.

[gregnash]

Now public on AustralianIT.news.com.au:
"Telstra already operates a 3G network but will launch another network, designed to replace its Australia-wide CDMA service, next Friday."

The new service uses WCDMA at 850MHz. I don't know what handsets etc they're launching at the time, but look around the manufacturers and see how few items they describe as doing WCDMA 850. (Note a number of units seem to be retro-enabled for GSM or EDGE at 850, presumably by software change where the radio chip could do it, but to get the range Telstra are promising it'll have to be WCDMA). JasJam seems to be the only HTC PDA-phone that fits right now.
Also consider they're saying HSDPA will follow very soon, and even fewer devices already support that.

I expect there'll also be a Blackberry launched in this space.

[Osir1s]

Yes Telstra announced the upgrade to HSDPA a cpl weeks back to try and stimulate investment in the company, not a bad strategy as it puts them in a good position in the future, because whilst there are not many HSDPA devices on the market at this juncture, next year we would expect this to become a standard feature.

Additionally I think its smart business because Optus, Telstra etc would all be noticing the upward trend in pocket pc phone users and sales and now that reasonable data plans are also become available the market is beginning to shape up a bit in Australia.

[gregnash]

On the "Business: what's hot" page:
http://www.telstra.com.au/mobile/business/whatshot.htm

There's the JasJam, with a "NextG" logo beside it (Telstra's way of saying "our new 3G network" since Orange seem to have locked up the marketability of the number 3..)

[Osir1s]

Yes the jasjam has launched along with 5 other NextG handsets.

the outright price of the jasjam for AU is $1299.00

its on the Telstra online shop as of this morning.

[gregnash]

"Can I beat the odds and get a dud free device? stay tuned."
Do you mean a free device that is dud? Or a naked device (doesn't have any "duds")?

[Osir1s]

ah that was a signature back from the jasjar days when I was hearing nothing but problem after problem with them, fortunately I did end up with a dud free device so I should probably update that signature but eh.

[Lockjaw]

I have a Dopod 838Pro on Optus 3G.. Works a treat, Best PDA Phone I have ever used. (previously had the XDA II & XDA IIs)
Performance is great. Radios all work well and all seems to be great..
The official release data I think for the Dopod in Aust. is the 17/10..

[SecureGSM]

I have called Optus Business Mobile today. Aparently, DOPOD 838 PRO will be heavily subsidised and available from Optus for around AU$865 on 24 month contract ($49.00 plan).

[Osir1s]

Optus, 3 and Telstra are all offering pretty descent handsets rates if you sign up to 12 and 24 months plans, particularly the 24 month plans as they are all vying for 3g customer subscribers now, being the next big thing.

Optus and 3 I suspect will offer most of their handsets on good prices and plans now due to Telstras NextG network offering very competitve rates and a slew of near unmatched content delivery.

[godtakeit]

To gunigugu

I have no idea about 3, but Telstra I do :). The WMA codec has installed into Telstra server and it should be available very soon.

We won't get Jasjar work perfectly as we want. However, close to perfection, I think we can by matching our setting to Jasjam's setting.

To everyone G network's handset will be :

LG phone, ZTA ( China OEM phone - 3 devices ), i-mate Jasjam, Samsung Z series, Motorola V6.

[Mattsta]

I got the JasJam yesterday from Telstra on the Next-G network and I'm pretty happy with it so far. I'm in country vic so there is not much chance my area will be covered by 3 or voda/optus's 3g networks in the near future.

Will be interesting to see what they get going for the Jasjam as i've heard that the foxtel channels are not viewable on it.

I've come from an Axim x50v (Win Mob 2003se) and a nokia 6670. Now I just need to get a few accessories for it, 2gb microsd, screen protectors, spare battery and desktop cradle. Might not bother with the spare battery depends how long it lasts to if i'll get one to leave in the car. I've got a bluetooth keyboard and mouse but yet to try them on it, can't see myself using the keyboard much now but will come in handy for big typing sessions.

I'll do some speed tests this week as i'll get to borrow a laptop to test a few areas with it, i'll post them here if anyone is interested.

Any Q's about the network or anything are very welcome, on the forum a couple times a day.

[Lucus Maximus]

To gunigugu

I have no idea about 3, but Telstra I do :). The WMA codec has installed into Telstra server and it should be available very soon.

We won't get Jasjar work perfectly as we want. However, close to perfection, I think we can by matching our setting to Jasjam's setting.

To everyone G network's handset will be :

LG phone, ZTA ( China OEM phone - 3 devices ), i-mate Jasjam, Samsung Z series, Motorola V6.

i'm going to have a guess that all this talk is about why I couldn't stream any of the V8 race updates to my yesterday new imate jasjam I got on friday? hopefully that won't be much longer till it's up and running. Once it is do you think that telstra will do the 12 foxtel for the JasJam or is that some other reason why it is not on the imate?

Apart from that I am loving my new toy. Tried it out as a wireless modem today for my PC and worked like a dream!

-Lucus

[godtakeit]

At the moment, Jasjam at the moment only supports 2.5G Business Portal and normal stuff, even though Jasjam is capable of running G network ( so-called 850 Mhz network ). Like I said, they just installed WMA / WMV codecs into their server and it won't be available until further notice.

I don't know the plan of releasing this function into public but we have problem with this device and 850 Mhz coverage.

I am sure that you guys have screen the demostration of streaming Foxtel Channels on ZTE and LG phones but you know why, because those phones is streaming 3gps which Telstra has already installed and launched last year ( One of example of Live stream was the Commonwealth Games time that you could watch live matches on your 3G mobile phone ). WMV / WMA is newly codec they are going to put them in. :) Hopefully we can resolve the current issue and then it will be in Telstra production

[kevinnugent]

I've come from an Axim x50v (Win Mob 2003se) and a nokia 6670. Now I just need to get a few accessories for it, 2gb microsd, screen protectors, spare battery and desktop cradle. Might not bother with the spare battery depends how long it lasts to if i'll get one to leave in the car.

Just get a car charger for it. I find my battery lasts forever if I put it on the charger to & from the office.

Kevin