Lousy Bloated Microsoft Crap Again .NET Compact Framework v2

[NewSPV]

Hi

I just found a piece of software that claims to backup WM5 contacts it is 'ns contacts backup' from http://www.nyxbull.net/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownloaddetails&lid=10

Anyway, I have had to install .NET Compact Framework v2.0, another 'Microsoft Bloater' that forced me to remove programs from memory to install it as it wanted nearly 6MB of main memory.

Anyway I have it installed now, do I need to keep it on my Hard Drive? This lousy piece of software installs just "one 5MB CAB file", yet it takes 91.0MB of Hard Drive space, and demands over 130MB to install itself, all for a 5MB CAB file.

Does anyone know which CAB it actually installs, I could not make out the full name on my Phone during install?

I was just wondering, after Hard Reset can .NET Compact Framework v2.0, be reinstalled by a local CAB file on the storage card, rather than using this bloated installer again?

Thanks

[TheBrit]

This lousy piece of software installs just "one 5MB CAB file", yet it takes 91.0MB of Hard Drive space, and demands over 130MB to install itself, all for a 5MB CAB file.

It's Micro$oft - what did you expect? :lol:

[levenum]

Sorry I can't answer you question regarding cab name since I am avoiding .NET CF like fire.
I am sure though that if you find the cab you can use it to install after hard reset.

Try this:
Start the installer, while ActiveSync asks you if to install to default location go to ActiveSync folder on your PC (probably in program files) and look for a cab (any cab) it should be there, or at least an *.ini file that contains the path to it (maybe the cab is in temp folder).

As for backing up contacts, there is a simple and painless way that doesn't require any installation.

In the built in file explorer select "show all files" option. Then in the root of the device you will see a file named 'pim.vol'. Just copy that to your SD.

Also I read that the new version of .NET CF 2.1 lets you install most of it on SD to save memory, but like I said I didn't try it and I don't recommend it either.

[NewSPV]

Sorry I can't answer you question regarding cab name since I am avoiding .NET CF like fire.
I am sure though that if you find the cab you can use it to install after hard reset.

Try this:
Start the installer, while ActiveSync asks you if to install to default location go to ActiveSync folder on your PC (probably in program files) and look for a cab (any cab) it should be there, or at least an *.ini file that contains the path to it (maybe the cab is in temp folder).

As for backing up contacts, there is a simple and painless way that doesn't require any installation.

In the built in file explorer select "show all files" option. Then in the root of the device you will see a file named 'pim.vol'. Just copy that to your SD.

Also I read that the new version of .NET CF 2.1 lets you install most of it on SD to save memory, but like I said I didn't try it and I don't recommend it either.

Thanks for that, the contacts were the only thing stopping me Hard Resetting and reinstalling. I have spent the past few weeks installing and uninstalling trying different software and settings to get the phone the way I want it. Now I have everything, I can reset and install everything fresh, that should then be my phone finished, until something else catches my eye.

[NewSPV]

Sorry forgot to say, so what is the purpose of Outlook with relation to this phone?

As I said, it does not pick up the phone as a device or drive, and activesync says it cannot be used for backing up contacts, so what purpose does it serve?

Seems pointless to me, would have been better if Microsoft built in some proper contact management software, after all this device was designed for business use.

[TheBrit]

Sorry forgot to say, so what is the purpose of Outlook with relation to this phone?

As I said, it does not pick up the phone as a device or drive, and activesync says it cannot be used for backing up contacts, so what purpose does it serve?

Seems pointless to me, would have been better if Microsoft built in some proper contact management software, after all this device was designed for business use.
The fact that ActiveSync synchronizes contacts between the device and OutLook means that your contacts ARE backed up. Well that may be how they (M$) see it any way.

[NewSPV]

Sorry forgot to say, so what is the purpose of Outlook with relation to this phone?

As I said, it does not pick up the phone as a device or drive, and activesync says it cannot be used for backing up contacts, so what purpose does it serve?

Seems pointless to me, would have been better if Microsoft built in some proper contact management software, after all this device was designed for business use.
The fact that ActiveSync synchronizes contacts between the device and OutLook means that your contacts ARE backed up. Well that may be how they (M$) see it any way.

But I am not getting anything in Outlook. It is just sitting there doing nothing, when I look down the device list my phone is not there, so how do I use it?

Thanks

[NewSPV]

Hi again

I have been doing some more digging and I have found that the CAB required is 'NETCFv2.wm.armv4i.cab', this CAB is 2.13 MB (2,240,512 bytes), so Microsoft requires over 130 MB to install itself, and hogs 91.0 MB (95,473,664 bytes) of Hard Drive space for a 2.13 MB CAB.

I found this info on http://blogs.msdn.com/netcfteam/archive/2005/10/11/479793.aspx

To save everyone the trouble I had, I tried uploading the CAB but for some reason it is not being accepted on this post, all I am getting is sending request to forum, nothing is happening. If it is wanted I will try again later.

[Ultimate Chicken]

Doesn't the latest version of .NET CF allow you to install into Storage or Storage Card?

[NewSPV]

Doesn't the latest version of .NET CF allow you to install into Storage or Storage Card?

I thought so. I had over 80MB left on my storage card, I selected storage card, but it kept giving me an error message saying I did not have enough main storage. I had to remove programs to install it, all I wanted to do was backup my contacts. Thanks to flaming Microsoft again, we get a business phone where you can not manage contacts. Microsoft the company that can never get anything right and makes Bill Gates the richest man in history, you couldn't make up such a story, could you?

[NewSPV]

Doesn't the latest version of .NET CF allow you to install into Storage or Storage Card?

I thought so. I had over 80MB left on my storage card, I selected storage card, but it kept giving me an error message saying I did not have enough main storage. I had to remove programs to install it, all I wanted to do was backup my contacts. Thanks to flaming Microsoft again, we get a business phone where you can not manage contacts. Microsoft the company that can never get anything right and makes Bill Gates the richest man in history, you couldn't make up such a story, could you?

[NewSPV]

Why are my posts being sent twice?

I only submit once.

[levenum]

Little explanation about ActiveSync and Outlook:

Your device doesn't appear anywhere as a separate ... anything.
You get a folder in file explorer that lets you browse the device, but that's it.

As for Outlook, everything that is in there and you choose to sync is copied to the Outlook on the phone and viceversa.

You can choose to sync contacts, appointments, mail, notes and tasks. You can choose how far back the device will save mails and appointments to save space. You can also sync directly with an exchange server if you got one.

So just to be clear, you sync the stuff you got, there is no separation.