TytnDialer - Dialing using the Wheel

[DanielS]

Hi

I just started a Thread in Development and Hacking that should be interesting for all Tytn/ Hermes users:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=282110


BR
Daniel

Updated Version Ready For Download ;)

[DanielS]

Hi

I now have a working Prototyp. - you only control the app with the wheel.

Short Wheel Press - Select Letter - or Back
Long Wheel Press (1 sec) - Forward

Still not finished but I need Feedback on the Usability Idea - Pls try it.

Compact Framework 2.0 needs to be installed!

BR
Daniel

[DanielS]

Hi

I have a little Update ;) - thanx for the feedback.

BR
Daniel

[victoradjei]

DanielS, these devices don't have enough memory to spare, so I believe a lot of people stopped installing CF based proggies due to the space taken by CF itself.
Could you please convert to regular code that does not need a base like CF?

Victor

[DanielS]

Hi

My C++ is no good - and it would take like 10 times the effort. This is currently a usability Study and a Tool for myself and everybody who likes to use it ;)

Anyway later it can be converted to CF 1.0 which is installed anyway on the Devices - for now CF2.0 was the fastest way to get it going (new api's and stuff)

BR
Daniel

[gravejoker]

Will definitely be a great app .. for people like me who like to use everything one handed .. and really miss a dialer that can be used single handedly ..

[DanielS]

Hi

did you download and give it a try?

BR
Daniel

[Churchill]

Can someone post screenshots...

I am having some trouble to imagine what the prog exactly does. I mean I can read but would be nice to have a visual:)

[DanielS]

Hi

I post 2 Screenshots - still very experimental looks ;)

But the Screenshots are only part of the story - the Coolness of the Application is that you have a LARGE font dialer that can be controlled with the wheel.

1) Short click on the Wheel - selects a Letter or Moves back in the name and number lists
2) long click moves you forward in the process (1sec)
3) up and down to navigate

I have it on one of the application Buttons - so it starts as my default dialer ;)

Screen 1: Scrolling through the Characterlist you build the name (the list is filtered for things you really have in your Contacts)
Screen 2: you have Names and their numbers and can initated a Call.

BR
Daniel

[pof]

Nice app, I added it to the wiki:

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Utils

Feel free to edit and add more information if you want :)

[gravejoker]

@DanielS: That's definitely cool .. moving between all your contacts one-handedly ..

How about doing the same for the dialer? I would love to press all the digits one-handedly using the wheel ..

[DanielS]

Hi

Thanx for your feedback ;)

What would you like to do? - Dial a Number? that should be easy to add!

BR
Daniel

[Moskus]

DanielS: Is there any particular reason why you use the 2.0 version of the framework?

If you use version 1.0 your users don't need to install anything extras as it's already included in the OS. :)

[DanielS]

Hi

Yes - speed of Development. and the new Namespaces that make live easy...

Microsoft.WindowsMobile.PocketOutlook
Microsoft.WindowsMobile.Telephony

+ Generics and SortedList ;)

This App is like a showcase for the new stuff implemented...

So to Port it to CF 1.0 will be a lot of work and it will be a lot less stable ;) - so a Port to 1.0 will likely not happen.

BR
Daniel

[Churchill]

DanielS!

Thanx I shall try to find some time to test this baby :) Although i wish it did not require the CF 2.0

[digitalfx]

FYI- CF2 can be installed to your card.

Btw- check out Contact Breeze, this works very well
http://www.sbsh.net/products/contactbreeze/

[Moskus]

Yes - speed of Development. and the new Namespaces that make live easy...

Microsoft.WindowsMobile.PocketOutlook
Microsoft.WindowsMobile.Telephony


You'll find these namespaces in CF 1.0 too, as they are a part of WM5. :)

[gravejoker]

Hi

Thanx for your feedback ;)

What would you like to do? - Dial a Number? that should be easy to add!

BR
Daniel

Basically, use the wheel up/down to move between different digits on the dialer and wheel press to select a button ... that way I can dial any # one-handedly .. not just from within contacts .. havent seen any app yet which does that ..

[DanielS]

Hi

this week I am on Teched in Barcelona. But I will look into both things.

* CF 1.0 Version
* And Numberdialing

BR
daniel

[dborello]

DanielS, It compliments for the useful program.
In the next version it will be possible to select the color of the background and the dimension and bold of the fonts?
Thanks

[CJNYC]

Can anybody tell me where I can download an installer for .NET Compact Framework 2.0? Thanks

[gravejoker]

My frient .. you need to learn how to use Google ...

[MikeChannon]

My frient .. you need to learn how to use Google ...

Google... Gooooogle heard of that somewhere .... think I saw it on AltaVista... I'll just go look it up. LoL:)


Mike

[pkx]

I just tried this out - very nice!

I've got a few interface change ideas.


First, how you select things. I think I should be able to select numbers and dial with all short presses. This is what I intuitively tried to do - I had to come to the forum to read about the long presses. Once it's narrowed down to a few names, I should select a single name with a single press, then be brought down to their numbers - once again, dialing the selected number with a single press.



Long presses should go back.


Once I've typed in a full name, instead of going to a new screen with two panes (top = name, bottom = numbers), it'd be better to just "gray" out the left pane of the letter select screen. From there, you can have an upper and lower pane inside the right frame. When I go "back", it just un-grays out the left column and only goes back a SINGLE LETTER, assuming I made a mistake.


Once again, great work!

[DanielS]

Hi

Thank you for your Feedback. - Your thoughts are understood - but how would you move forward from the letter list to Names list if you use only short presses?

Short Press Selects a New "Letter" - how to jump to names automatically after only 4-10 are left?

BR
Daniel

[pkx]

Hi

Thank you for your Feedback. - Your thoughts are understood - but how would you move forward from the letter list to Names list if you use only short presses?

Short Press Selects a New "Letter" - how to jump to names automatically after only 4-10 are left?

BR
Daniel


Well, currently, your right pane shows a maximum of 13 names. I think that if the letters you've typed in so far yield 13 or less results, the focus should automatically be moved to the right to select a name.

I think that pressing takes more time than scrolling - if you're simply scrolling between 13 results on a single page, it would be faster than scrolling through (lets say 5) letters, pressing and holding, then selecting a name, pressing and holding..

[DanielS]

Hi

Sounds doable - what do others think?

BR
Daniel

[uccio1967]

I have installed the software on my phone Tytn but dont go because .
because i nedd a higer version of my microsoft. net framework .

i have an italian version .

[gravejoker]

@DanielS: Dude, what happened? No news, updates?

[datruth]

I don't know what I'm doing wrong but I can't seem to get this app to work. I have installed the .net but I'm unsure of what to do next. I have tried to install via AS then I tried to drag and drop the files to a folder on the 8525 and install. Can some one help me?

[DanielS]

Hi

You need .net Compact Framework 2.0 for this version! (no matter what language OS you have) - I am working on a .net 1.1 version but work is keeping me pretty busy!

To install simply copy the .cab file of the application to the device and start it using File Explorer.

BR
Daniel

[mjizzy]

Hello, I am new to this forum. I have an 8525 and have been able to improve its functionality greatly using a lot of the hacks/mods posted in the various forums on this site. However, I have been longing for the ability to dial with the wheel and am very excited about the prospects of this app. One problem though, I use Goodlink. Is there any chance that this would work with Goodlink?

Many Thanks!

[DanielS]

Hi

and welcome. - can you tell me what goodlink is? I'm not aware of it?

BR
Daniel

[mjizzy]

Sorry...Goodlink is a mobile messaging application that syncs over-the-air on a real-time basis with an exchange server and provides outlook-like functionality. While that is not groundbreaking (as we pay it vs. using ms direct push for free), on an enterprise level it give the IT more control over the device than they would otherwise have (that's what my IT group told me anyway).

My question stemmed from that fact that it takes over certain functions on my device. When press I choose contacts in the phone app, for instance, it takes me to my outlook contacts via the Goodlink contacts app and not the contacts stored directly on the device. To make a long story short, I'm guessing that since you've never heard of it, your solution probably won't work with it...it's probably just a shortcoming of the Goodlink software. I was just taking a shot in the dark and hoping that I might get lucky!

Apologies for the long post and thanks for the welcome!

[DanielS]

I suppose you have to try it ;)

[Dillsnik]

is there any reason not to install the 2.0 on your phone?

I don't have a memory card, so don't know if i'll have space...

[DanielS]

Hi

the only reason could be space. - but usually it will be fine.

BR
Daniel

[Dillsnik]

Hi Daniel,

Great little app! took me a second to realize the difference between short and long press.

I tend to partly agree with the fellow before, in that the short press is better for going forward than the long press (since it is an easier function)

I am wondering, once you go to the phone screen from the dialer, is there an easy way to get back cause i am right now going into programs again to open it. maybe i need a better program mgr program ;)

Also, i noticed that a short press from the first pane gives you everyone who has the selected letter in their name somewhere, then the next pane gives you a second letter to pick from till it narrows down the search that way....Another way to find your contact? Interesting!

Great job!

[paulclo]

Hi

I just started a Thread in Development and Hacking that should be interesting for all Tytn/ Hermes users:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=282110


BR
Daniel

Updated Version Ready For Download ;)

Hi DanielS"

Forgive my ignorance, I downloaded your file from the above, unzipped it and then there is another zip file which I unzipped too. The files I have now are INSTAL~1.000 file type 000 and another one TYTNSI~1.001 file type 001, plus _setup.XML. I then copied them to my Qyrk 9600 and I have no idea what to do next. I clicked on those files on my ppc, but it says it cannot install them. Should I follow the steps as indicated in file _setup.XML? I so, I will then be too new to do it.

I was hoping something like a .cab file that I can copy to the ppc then click to install, like most of the program files for installation.

Please kindly advise.

[DanielS]

>I am wondering, once you go to the phone screen from the dialer, is there an easy way to get back cause i am
>right now going into programs again to open it. maybe i need a better program mgr program ;)

I configured on one of the TOP buttons so after calling Pressing on "web and walk" button brings back the Dialer. - Simply confgure it in the Control Panel ;)

[DanielS]

Hi

> Forgive my ignorance, I downloaded your file from the above, unzipped it and then there is another zip file which I unzipped too.

The second ".zip" file is the .cab - but some tools like WINRAR show it just like a ".zip" file.

BR
Daniel

[tadzio]

Hi DanielS"

Forgive my ignorance, I downloaded your file from the above, unzipped it and then there is another zip file which I unzipped too. The files I have now are INSTAL~1.000 file type 000 and another one TYTNSI~1.001 file type 001, plus _setup.XML. I then copied them to my Qyrk 9600 and I have no idea what to do next. I clicked on those files on my ppc, but it says it cannot install them. Should I follow the steps as indicated in file _setup.XML? I so, I will then be too new to do it.

I was hoping something like a .cab file that I can copy to the ppc then click to install, like most of the program files for installation.

Please kindly advise.

I am not the DanielS you asked, but as my name is indeed also Daniel S., I thought I'd answer... :-)

I did not try the software mentioned, but from your description of that inner ZIP file's contents, it's quite clear that it should really be a .cab file. As .cab files are really just .zip files with special contents, Windows Zip programs know how to unpack them. That's why you could open it on your PC.

So, to install the program, do not unpack that inner file - just make sure it really has the extension .cab, then copy it to your device and run it from there.

Cheers
Daniel

[paulclo]

I am not the DanielS you asked, but as my name is indeed also Daniel S., I thought I'd answer... :-)

I did not try the software mentioned, but from your description of that inner ZIP file's contents, it's quite clear that it should really be a .cab file. As .cab files are really just .zip files with special contents, Windows Zip programs know how to unpack them. That's why you could open it on your PC.

So, to install the program, do not unpack that inner file - just make sure it really has the extension .cab, then copy it to your device and run it from there.

Cheers
Daniel

Hi tadzio and DanielS

Many thanks to both of you. It is working now and of course, your kind responses will also help me in "unzipping" other files of the similar status.

Thanks again, guys.

[paulclo]

Hi DanielS:

Just installed and tried it. Like it a lot, but I just wonder why the pause will not work - what I mean is you program a contact with his phone number and pause in order to enter the extension number - the pause will not work. I am sure calling your own voice mail with pin, etc, will not work, too.

Is there anything wrong with my instllation process, or the app. is not intended to include this puase function?

Thanks again.

[DanielS]

Hi

I currently throw away all character despite "+" so what other characters should it accept? "," others too?

GOOD NEWS: Expect an all new Version still before Christmas.

BR
DanielS

[gravejoker]

Hi

I currently throw away all character despite "+" so what other characters should it accept? "," others too?

GOOD NEWS: Expect an all new Version still before Christmas.

BR
DanielS

That's awesome .. Will that include the feature that allows you to dial #s on the phonepad using the scroll wheel?

[mitsui-dh]

Hi ! Could someone add the link where to get the .NET Compact Framework ?

Thanks !


Hi

I just started a Thread in Development and Hacking that should be interesting for all Tytn/ Hermes users:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=282110


BR
Daniel

Updated Version Ready For Download ;)

[mitsui-dh]

Hi ! Could someone add the link where to get the .NET Compact Framework ?

Thanks !

[mitsui-dh]

Hi All ! Can someone post the link where to download the Compact Framework 2.0 ?

Thanks

[paulclo]

Hi

I currently throw away all character despite "+" so what other characters should it accept? "," others too?

GOOD NEWS: Expect an all new Version still before Christmas.

BR
DanielS

The pause that Qtek and the like accepts is p. Each letter p respents a pause for half a second or so. I therefore normally enter three p's then my password and the # sign to signify ending of password entry, after my voice mail main number. This works whether I use voice dial, speed dial, or dial by name. I do the same thing for my contacts who have an extension number after their main exchange.

After applying your program, the wheel dial will only dial the main number, not anything else thereafter. It will not pause for the digits to come thereafter.

Is there anyone else experiencing the same thing?

Thanks again, DanielS

[ghozd]

Like it,

I like it very much.. But i cannot start the prog by the clickwheel, can someone help me with that..?
maybe a register setting... If it would be possible to start it (only on the todayscreen) using the clickwheel that would be superb..!!!

Thanks in advance

Ghozd

[lukjod]

compact framework 2.0 link
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=en&FamilyID=9655156b-356b-4a2c-857c-e62f50ae9a55

[DanielS]

Hi

as mentioned in previous posts I like it best configured to the Hardware button that usúally does Web n'Walk - Browser so I can completly use it without using the touchscreen..

I know I owe all of you a new version but my Work as Pocket PC Programmer is keeping me extraordinarily busy these days ;) - and yes sometimes I need to sleep.

Happy Holidays
Daniel

[franklane]

The first and last name are checked but I cannot check company.

FLane

[DanielS]

the Company thing is currently not implemented.

Hope to have some time for my favorite project during the holidays

BR
daniel

[Yuck]

There is only 2 numbers on one name. (Mobile and home). Is it possible to make that all numbers for the name were displayed? (I have 5 numbers for some).

[ahfunaki]

any update on this?

[blueshark101]

Thanks for the app it's excellent! Do please keep developing it...:D

[DanielS]

Hi Guys

I am back to the Compiler. - Stay tuned. next Version estimated still this week.

I developed all new Controls that are more logical than the previous standard Listboxes....

BR
Daniel

[drb123]

I installed 2.0 back in May or even April and now I get an error message saying that my 2.0 is "outdated".
Does anyone know the difference between the current version and my version (NetCFSetup2.msi)?
How about file size once downloaded; I have minimal space left on my 8525 (plenty of room on my SD card)
Thanks
Hey, I went to the earlier posted hyperlink to download 2.0 and it says its from March 2006. Why is my version outdated??

[arcturuswong]

Nice software, after I update my 838pro to wm6 the contacts "pop up" from A to Z while holding up or down disappeared, what a great application to replace the original one.

One more thing, is that possible to use the green button to dial the number...For now it just go to the default dial pad..