8525 no Utms or Edge?

[ramontrotman]

Im in New york city, when im in manhatten i get the U for my data connection. But when i get back to brooklyn it goes back to the G. From what i understand the 3g network didnt reach brooklyn as yet (even though its over the river) But my real concern is the G. I was reading the getting started guide and there is a E for edge. but im not even getting the E. I know there is edge because i had the 8125 and edge worked fine. Is there some sort of settings i have to input to have it default back to edge instead of regular gprs?

[barrydavisjr]

Im in New york city, when im in manhatten i get the U for my data connection. But when i get back to brooklyn it goes back to the G. From what i understand the 3g network didnt reach brooklyn as yet (even though its over the river) But my real concern is the G. I was reading the getting started guide and there is a E for edge. but im not even getting the E. I know there is edge because i had the 8125 and edge worked fine. Is there some sort of settings i have to input to have it default back to edge instead of regular gprs?

They way that the 8525 is set up is that there is only 2 icons U for UMTS and HSPDA and G for GPRS and EDGE. As far as I know from selling Cingular there are very few areas left that use GPRS.

[gravejoker]

The guide's wrong ... Cingular messed it up .. there's on U and G on the TyTN / 8525 ...

- U for UMTS
- G for GSM/GPRS/Edge ..

Some are folks on HoFo thought the same .. but check out your speeds using dslreports.com/mspeed ..

[ramontrotman]

its saying 171 kbit/sec. i guess the edge is working right?

[inquisitor]

171 KBit/s is definitely EDGE.

The TyTN supports GPRS class 10, which means the maximum downlink bandwith with GPRS amounts to 48 KBit/s (4+1 scheme).

[Yze]

im able to grab U settings.. but only 2 bars :(

I'm about to give cingular customer service a call and bitch.. maybe i can get some credit :)

[gravejoker]

yp .. 171 is Edge ...

GPRS is only 50kbps or so .. and 3G 500Kbps and above ..

[barrydavisjr]

im able to grab U settings.. but only 2 bars :(

I'm about to give cingular customer service a call and bitch.. maybe i can get some credit :)

According to the network engineers the 2 bars on UMTS is normal. I called the one in our area because when it was first turned on I had 4 with UMTS and then it has dropped to a steady 2 bars UMTS.

[DeniaL]

The guide's wrong ... Cingular messed it up .. there's on U and G on the TyTN / 8525 ...

- U for UMTS
- G for GSM/GPRS/Edge ..

Some are folks on HoFo thought the same .. but check out your speeds using dslreports.com/mspeed ..
UMTS is 3G? What is UMTS vs GPRS and Edge?

[inquisitor]

UMTS is 3G? What is UMTS vs GPRS and Edge?
UMTS is 3G, acutally it's the first official 3G standard, as FOMA's standard was a rather proprietary development.
EDGE is 2.75G and GPRS 2.5G.

Have a look at this table, I found at Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2.5G):

2G
GSM
iDEN
D-AMPS
IS-95/cdmaOne
PDC
CSD
PHS

2.5G
GPRS
HSCSD
WiDEN

2.75G
CDMA2000 1xRTT/IS-2000
EDGE (EGPRS)

3G
W-CDMA
UMTS (3GSM)
FOMA
TD-CDMA/UMTS-TDD
1xEV-DO/IS-856
TD-SCDMA
GAN/UMA

3.5G
HSDPA

3.75G
HSUPA
HSOPA

4G
Frequency bands
SMR
Cellular
PCS

[gravejoker]

IN LAYMAN LANGUAGE:

UMTS is the first 3G standard, based on WCDMA technology ... you need additional device hardware for it and it's upto 300kbps .. HSDPA (High-Speed Downlink Packet Access) is a software upgrade to UMTS increasing it's speed to 1.8Mbps and above theoratically upto 20Mbps (I think) ... anything above that like HSUPA is not commercially implemented .. atleast in the US.

Cingular's running UMTS/HSDPA right now for it's 3G network .. with speeds ranging from 400-700 kbps (officially) and 1Mbps (un-officially)

[ramontrotman]

do i need software to have my hsdpa work when i have utms service? or will it work by itself?

[gravejoker]

It's provided by the carrier or your device manufacturer ... very low-level ROM stuff ..

[inquisitor]

Check out http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Utils ("SetHSPA") for information, howto enable HSDPA.

[gravejoker]

Most of 8525s/TyTNs are now shipping with HSDPA enabled already .. that utility was supposed to enable HSDPA on some very early ver TyTNs. ..

Also, your carrier should support HSDPA ...