8525 has some bugs...

[blkwrxwagon04]

I bought an 8525 a couple of days ago and have been playing around with it. The 8525 has replaced my 8125, which I loved dearly...

I have noticed 3 major bugs in the device :

1) The 8525 does not indicate when you are using edge by the "E" icon. It simply has the "G" while producing edge speed.


2) The non-3G internet connection is terrible. It times-out quite often. For instance, when I try to check my email using pocket outlook it sometimes takes forever.. or when i am trying to access a website, it says locating for about 1-2 minutes before actually opening it up. When the internet is working without the those time-outs and lags, it works great (better then the 8125 in non-3G areas).


3) Pressing the power button (when the devices screen is off to save battery life) has a weird 2-3 second delay. This never happened with the 8125...


Here is my Device info:

Rom version : 1.34.502.1
Rom date : 9/21/06
Radio Version : 1.16.00.00
Protocol version : 32.53.7018.01H



The main reason I am posting this is to find out if I am the ONLY one experiencing these problems, if so, I am going to do a warranty exchange swap. If anybody has any suggestions or comments please share it here..

[MikeChannon]

I bought an 8525 a couple of days ago and have been playing around with it. The 8525 has replaced my 8125, which I loved dearly...

I have noticed 3 major bugs in the device :

1) The 8525 does not indicate when you are using edge by the "E" icon. It simply has the "G" while producing edge speed.


2) The non-3G internet connection is terrible. It times-out quite often. For instance, when I try to check my email using pocket outlook it sometimes takes forever.. or when i am trying to access a website, it says locating for about 1-2 minutes before actually opening it up. When the internet is working without the those time-outs and lags, it works great (better then the 8125 in non-3G areas).


3) Pressing the power button (when the devices screen is off to save battery life) has a weird 2-3 second delay. This never happened with the 8125...


Here is my Device info:

Rom version : 1.34.502.1
Rom date : 9/21/06
Radio Version : 1.16.00.00
Protocol version : 32.53.7018.01H



The main reason I am posting this is to find out if I am the ONLY one experiencing these problems, if so, I am going to do a warranty exchange swap. If anybody has any suggestions or comments please share it here..

Yes you're the only one with these problems. I don't know how they had the nerve to sell you it. I have searched the threads and posts here and let me see.... no ... nobody's had anything like this.

I'd take it back!

Edit: OMG look what I just stumbled on! Stop the presses perhaps not MAJOR bugs but still bugs of mass destruction!

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=280383


Mike

[spanky310]

I bought an 8525 a couple of days ago and have been playing around with it. The 8525 has replaced my 8125, which I loved dearly...

I have noticed 3 major bugs in the device :

1) The 8525 does not indicate when you are using edge by the "E" icon. It simply has the "G" while producing edge speed.


2) The non-3G internet connection is terrible. It times-out quite often. For instance, when I try to check my email using pocket outlook it sometimes takes forever.. or when i am trying to access a website, it says locating for about 1-2 minutes before actually opening it up. When the internet is working without the those time-outs and lags, it works great (better then the 8125 in non-3G areas).


3) Pressing the power button (when the devices screen is off to save battery life) has a weird 2-3 second delay. This never happened with the 8125...


Here is my Device info:

Rom version : 1.34.502.1
Rom date : 9/21/06
Radio Version : 1.16.00.00
Protocol version : 32.53.7018.01H



The main reason I am posting this is to find out if I am the ONLY one experiencing these problems, if so, I am going to do a warranty exchange swap. If anybody has any suggestions or comments please share it here..

Here is my experience so far:

1) I have yet to see an E indicator for Edge. I live in LA and we are still waiting for our 3G deployment so edge is all we get. I do want to point out that on page 25 of the 8525 manual it does not indicate that there is an edge indicator/symbol display specifically for edge.

2)The non-3G connection here in LA has always been spotty at best so I can't really comment on that. I do however notice that I cannot connect to a lot of the streaming content at locations where it was possible with my 3125 just a week ago. Also it take longer to get the streaming playing if it does connects.

3) For me the delay for power up from power save is about 1 second.

I have never used a 8125 before so I have no way of comparing the behavior of the two.

[URPREY]

1) The 8525 does not indicate when you are using edge by the "E" icon. It simply has the "G" while producing edge speed.

I can't confirm this because I've not left my excellent 3G signal area yet but from what I understand the current rom doesn't differentiate between GPRS and EDGE.


3) Pressing the power button (when the devices screen is off to save battery life) has a weird 2-3 second delay. This never happened with the 8125...

Mine is a 1 second delay. No DSODs though, so it's no big deal for me.

[ramontrotman]

well....i too just upgraded from the 8125...and i find the edge to be a lil suspect. sometimes i take longer than it should to pull up my email.

as far as the power button....it takes longer to turn it on when the screen is locked than the 8125.

[inquisitor]

The speed of a EDGE or GPRS connection also depends on the serving cell's current capacity. If there is too much traffic, you won't get the maximum of timeslots and so bandwidth will go down. 3G is not very different regarding this issue, but the most likely capacity bottleneck is the basestation's connection to the core network. Here in Germany a lot of 3G basestations have only 2 MBit/s connections, so two HSDPA-clients can use capacity to the full.

[MikeChannon]

The speed of a EDGE or GPRS connection also depends on the serving cell's current capacity. If there is too much traffic, you won't get the maximum of timeslots and so bandwidth will go down. 3G is not very different regarding this issue, but the most likely capacity bottleneck is the basestation's connection to the core network. Here in Germany a lot of 3G basestations have only 2 MBit/s connections, so two HSDPA-clients can use capacity to the full.



Yes indeed.

For those looking for some general background to these technologies this bit of research provides good background.

HELSINKI UNIVERSITY OF TECHNOLOGY
DEPARTMENT OF COMPUTER SCIENCE

TIK-109.551
Research Seminar on Telecommunications Business II

POSITIONING EDGE IN THE MOBILE NETWORK EVOLUTION

12.3.2003

Vesala Sami 47278H
Koivu Katja 44217E
http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:nBUI3noQl2sJ:www.nectec.or.th/archives/downloaddoc.php%3Fhid%3D49+EDGE+or+GPRS+connection +also+depends+on+the+serving+cell%27s+current+capa city&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=8

Mike

[PPCNUT]

I bought an 8525 a couple of days ago and have been playing around with it. The 8525 has replaced my 8125, which I loved dearly...

I have noticed 3 major bugs in the device :

1) The 8525 does not indicate when you are using edge by the "E" icon. It simply has the "G" while producing edge speed.


2) The non-3G internet connection is terrible. It times-out quite often. For instance, when I try to check my email using pocket outlook it sometimes takes forever.. or when i am trying to access a website, it says locating for about 1-2 minutes before actually opening it up. When the internet is working without the those time-outs and lags, it works great (better then the 8125 in non-3G areas).


3) Pressing the power button (when the devices screen is off to save battery life) has a weird 2-3 second delay. This never happened with the 8125...


Here is my Device info:

Rom version : 1.34.502.1
Rom date : 9/21/06
Radio Version : 1.16.00.00
Protocol version : 32.53.7018.01H



The main reason I am posting this is to find out if I am the ONLY one experiencing these problems, if so, I am going to do a warranty exchange swap. If anybody has any suggestions or comments please share it here..

1. I have never got a E but I am not to sure if Telstra even has a Edge network.
2. I have never been out of UMTS coverage since I got it so I don't know.
3. It takes about 1 second for mine to start-up.

[balld]

I bought an 8525 a couple of days ago and have been playing around with it. The 8525 has replaced my 8125, which I loved dearly...

I have noticed 3 major bugs in the device :

1) The 8525 does not indicate when you are using edge by the "E" icon. It simply has the "G" while producing edge speed.


2) The non-3G internet connection is terrible. It times-out quite often. For instance, when I try to check my email using pocket outlook it sometimes takes forever.. or when i am trying to access a website, it says locating for about 1-2 minutes before actually opening it up. When the internet is working without the those time-outs and lags, it works great (better then the 8125 in non-3G areas).


3) Pressing the power button (when the devices screen is off to save battery life) has a weird 2-3 second delay. This never happened with the 8125...


Here is my Device info:

Rom version : 1.34.502.1
Rom date : 9/21/06
Radio Version : 1.16.00.00
Protocol version : 32.53.7018.01H



The main reason I am posting this is to find out if I am the ONLY one experiencing these problems, if so, I am going to do a warranty exchange swap. If anybody has any suggestions or comments please share it here..


Just wanted to advise, my 8525 shipped with the exact specifications as yours. I too am not receiving an "E" for Edge transmissions. However, as one of the previous posts suggests, we may never receive an actual "E" up top in our display. Haven't had any of the timeouts you are experiencing either. My email and browsing via GPRS/Edge(Edge if I truly am receiving it) works fine. No timeouts on either e-mail retrieval or browsing at this time. Over 2 days battery life so far between charges. Woohoo! Also, in terms of actually switching from stand-by mode to power up, takes approx. 1 sec. as well. I have not yet been in a UMTS area, so I cannot advise of battery life,performance issues related to that. I'm still loving my device! :D

[blkwrxwagon04]

What data plan are you using media net or pda connect?

[balld]

What data plan are you using media net or pda connect?

PDA Connect. I did read somewhere on the web that there is a client for Blackberry Connect, just can't remember where/which website it was.

[TheCritic]

Yes you're the only one with these problems. I don't know how they had the nerve to sell you it. I have searched the threads and posts here and let me see.... no ... nobody's had anything like this.

Mike

#2 is definitely a problem...
http://forums.cingular.com/cng/board/message?board.id=cingular&message.id=22955

[MikeChannon]

#2 is definitely a problem...
http://forums.cingular.com/cng/board/message?board.id=cingular&message.id=22955

Yes your right of course, I was being petty cos these problems are already posted elsewhere. Sorry for being childish.

I have to say though here in Aberdeen Scotland my GPRS connection is super fast, faster than my wifi connection and it's not on 3G due to my ancient sim card (must get a new one). So more to do with coverage/local GPRS conditions I guess. Weird cos until a few days ago it continually timed out with page not found and now works amazingly well. I changed nothing and I do not pay for a data tarriff!! I do of course get charged for bytes downloaded but still lots of folk on o2 like me don't get this unless they have a data contract. Weird.

Mike

[jeffreycentex]

For those of you who have connection problems, try switching to the isp.cingular AP (requires the PDA Connect plan). I had all sorts of difficulties when using the default wap.cingular AP, but the ISP one works fine...

[TheCritic]

For those of you who have connection problems, try switching to the isp.cingular AP (requires the PDA Connect plan). I had all sorts of difficulties when using the default wap.cingular AP, but the ISP one works fine...

(boohoo)But I don't wanna pay $25 more a month... (/boohoo)
I'm thinking about it, I just want to know for sure it'll fix these problems because I probably can't go back if it doesn't...

Is it possible to test the isp.cingular settings (and get charged) before switching, or do they not work at all without PDA connect on my account?

[blueshockey69]

Just as a headsup to everyone who got the 8525 from Cingular, one of the things I was able to find out is the "G" in this case, also stands for Edge, I also believe it may or may not be in the documentation but have not been able to confirm that yet, so in this case:

"G" - GPRS, GSM and EDGE
"U" - UMTS and HSDPA

Please take this with a grain of salt.

JB

[optimalcapacity]

Can anyone explain the difference between the "wap.cingular" and the "isp.cingular" configurations and the step necessary to make the adjustments?

Also, I have been having some weird connectivity issues where my cingular signal become unstable when switching the Wifi radio on and off. The only way to recover is to soft reset the 8525.

I live in metro Philadelphia and have tested this both in the city and the surrounding suburbs.

Thanks!

[stormj]

Just as a headsup to everyone who got the 8525 from Cingular, one of the things I was able to find out is the "G" in this case, also stands for Edge, I also believe it may or may not be in the documentation but have not been able to confirm that yet, so in this case:

"G" - GPRS, GSM and EDGE
"U" - UMTS and HSDPA

Please take this with a grain of salt.

JB

I've got an 8125 and an 8525 side by side in the same room, and the 8125 has an E, and the 8525 says G. Now, the documentation I have clearly distinguishes between the two. "Status Indicators" on the last page of the "Getting Started Guide."

I am using mediaNET on both.

This is a little annoying, but honestly, the speed is the same. Unless someone can confirm that this is causing lower speeds to be rejected, it's just an annoyance that, if I recally from my 2125, can be tweaked in the registry or some other simple tweak.

[stormj]

Also, I'm having some irregularities using the 8525 as a "modem" for my computer. I have a C2D MacBook Pro, running Mac OS 10.4.8 and Windows XPSP2. With my 8125 I could use "dialup" on the Mac side via BT. On the Windows side, I could use dialup using the USB connection. (And BT in bootcamp)

I also have tested this with a regular plain HP PC laptop.

I have noticed that it doesn't always connect on the first try, whereas the 8125 always did. The connection speed is the same as tested on DSLreports mobile, but I have to say, I find this a little odd that it doesn't always connect.

I am far away from the nearest 3G area, so I won't be able to test it there until my next trip, but, oy....

Anyone else with this problem?

[shogunmark]

I've got an 8125 and an 8525 side by side in the same room, and the 8125 has an E, and the 8525 says G. Now, the documentation I have clearly distinguishes between the two. "Status Indicators" on the last page of the "Getting Started Guide."

I am using mediaNET on both.

This is a little annoying, but honestly, the speed is the same. Unless someone can confirm that this is causing lower speeds to be rejected, it's just an annoyance that, if I recally from my 2125, can be tweaked in the registry or some other simple tweak.

The cingular rom on the 8525 DOES NOT (not yelling) include an E icon, only G and U. When in G you are actually on EDGE, run a speedtest and you will see. Hopefully they will correct this in the future release. And since there is no included E icon there is no reg tweak that will correct this.

[stormj]

The cingular rom on the 8525 DOES NOT (not yelling) include an E icon, only G and U. When in G you are actually on EDGE, run a speedtest and you will see. Hopefully they will correct this in the future release. And since there is no included E icon there is no reg tweak that will correct this.

Right... as I noted, the speed is the same (it is surely actually using EDGE). No icon included. Bummer. Someone should have told them that when they wrote the manual. lol.

[lanwarrior]

Can anyone explain the difference between the "wap.cingular" and the "isp.cingular" configurations and the step necessary to make the adjustments?


Same here, I want to know the EXACT settings for the isp.cingular configuration. I tried to set it up as follow but the phone will no longer connect (CASE SENSITIVE:

Username: ISP@CINGULARGPRS.COM
Password: CINGULAR1
APN: isp.cingular

Had to revert back to wap.cingular.

[shogunmark]

Right... as I noted, the speed is the same (it is surely actually using EDGE). No icon included. Bummer. Someone should have told them that when they wrote the manual. lol.

well if i could figure out how to cook these roms like the wizard i would give us an E icon... but these are a different animal...

[seattleboi1982]

i have a pre production 8525 and when i first got the device in september i was having the same issues with GoodLink. with disconnects of my PDP sessions. what i noticed works great is using isp.cingular for my apn instead of wap.cingular. i also nowticed it is alot faster for browsing, since im using acceleration with the isp. so if you are on the PDA connect plan (and you should be) try changing your APN over to isp.cingular and see how that works. now as for the E for EDGE icon, it will never show up on the device. either you will have a U which is what i get, since i am in a HSDPA area or a G. so even if you are getting a G you still are using EDGE since all of Cingular
s network has EDGE on it.

[seankk]

my buddy had a ATT branded the newer ver of the 8525 i have a cingular branded ver both same ROM same everything only thing is im on a 20dollar medianet unlimited plan and his is through work so prob the pda connect unlimited his says E and mine always says G unless im in NYC and i get the U, any ideas is there a cab to fix this issue, and on the medianet plan for 20dollars should i be using wap or isp, i posted this in the rom thread of the rom also so sorry for dbl post, i googled the issue and i found this thread.
thaks
if anyone has a fix email me please
seankk@msn.com