MDA Vario /Qtek 9100 and 4GB?

[arp]

Anybody know if This PDA can support 4GB miniSD?

Thanks.

[maca2406]

The Wizard is miniSD compatible. miniSD is derived of the SD specification that support up to 2GB memory cards. 4GB cards are SDHC compatible derived of the SDHC specification. For this reason 4GB memory cards are not compatible with the wizard neither with TyTN. I don't know any 4GB miniSD card from any fame manufacturer.

More information on this link from SanDisk:
http://www.sandisk.com/Assets/File/pdf/retail/SDHC1.pdf

[arp]

Thanks maca2406.

But, did you try?
Anybody try it and don't work?

Thanks

[EgemenBor]

ive got a 4gb sd card working with mine..i got it as a present so im not sure where it's from since it hasnt got a name on it..but it does work..

[arp]

Hello EgemenBor,

Not 4GB SD but 4GB miniSD card on a MDA Vario (or Wizard, Qtek 9100, Imate K-Jam), right?

Thanks

[maca2406]

Nope, but maybe a generic product works, look this link:

http://www.mobymemory.com/proddetail.asp?prod=miniSD%5F4096mb%5FMOBY%5F002

I don't trust on non branded products then I can not respond your question. but is important to know that neighter fame manufacturer has 4GB miniSD cards for sale (ex. SanDisk, Kingston, etc).

[blazoner]

From that SanDisk article:
2. Look for SDHC logo on card and packaging itself
a. GB SD cards without SDHC logo are non-compliant with the SDA 2.00
specification.

Notice, they say "non-compliant" and NOT "non-existent." They are obviously cow-towing to device manufacturers here, plus expecting us to foot the bill!

The problems I've heard of with these cards are:

1.) They don't last as long. (Neither did 3.5" Low-Density Floppy Disks when formatted as High-Density, but I've still got a few originals hanging around that work....) It would be great to know what proccess they were using to create these drives as opposed to the 2GB ones....

2.) The card may need to be repartitioned into 2-2GB drives. (See this thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=267475))

please remember that just because it doesn't meet the new standard, doesn't mean it doesn't work with the older standard-devices :D

I, for one, am grateful there are vendors serving this sub-market, even though the major players are moving on!

[arp]

Thanks Blazoner.

Anybody have a miniSD 4GB card on a Wizard, that works well?

Thanks

[meschle]

Nope, but maybe a generic product works, look this link:

http://www.mobymemory.com/proddetail.asp?prod=miniSD%5F4096mb%5FMOBY%5F002

I don't trust on non branded products then I can not respond your question. but is important to know that neighter fame manufacturer has 4GB miniSD cards for sale (ex. SanDisk, Kingston, etc).

I have 2 mobymemory cards 2gb and 1 gb both work v well - if mobymemory say this 4gb card will work i trust them - i will most likely get one! :D

I have said all along that i think a 4gb mini-sd card will work in the wizard as a 4gb sd card works in a prophet and they really have v similar roms. 4gb even works in a magician and that has an even older rom.

[maca2406]

I base myself on what SanDisk says in this link in red:

http://www.sandisk.com/Compatibility/Device(8040)-T-Mobile-MDA_Vario.aspx

T-Mobile MDA Vario
(Mobile Phones)
Maximum capacity for this device: May support up to 2GB
Please check with your device manufacturer for details.

Also, SanDisk doesn't manufacture 4GB minisd cards. I have learned to pay attention to what SanDisk says

It would be necessary to check if to use more than 2gb works ok with the Wizard with this 4gb minisd card. Unfortunately I am in America and I don't have access to mobymemory devices. :(

[meschle]

I base myself on what SanDisk says in this link in red:

http://www.sandisk.com/Compatibility/Device(8040)-T-Mobile-MDA_Vario.aspx

T-Mobile MDA Vario
(Mobile Phones)
Maximum capacity for this device: May support up to 2GB
Please check with your device manufacturer for details.

Also, SanDisk doesn't manufacture 4GB minisd cards. I have learned to pay attention to what SanDisk says

It would be necessary to check if to use more than 2gb works ok with the Wizard with this 4gb minisd card. Unfortunately I am in America and I don't have access to mobymemory devices. :(

I will let you know if it works when i get one :)

[ronh]

Nope, but maybe a generic product works, look this link:

http://www.mobymemory.com/proddetail.asp?prod=miniSD%5F4096mb%5FMOBY%5F002

I don't trust on non branded products then I can not respond your question. but is important to know that neighter fame manufacturer has 4GB miniSD cards for sale (ex. SanDisk, Kingston, etc).They claim it will work:
Mobile Compatibility List: New!QTEK 9100

Anyone any experience with these cards?

[arp]

I just buy one miniSD 4GB from Transcend (55€!)... I will check and post...

[EgemenBor]

turns out I have the 4gb memory card from mobymemory...last couple of days its been giving me a lot of hassle..asking me to format it which I did twice and now its stopped working the phone just does red the card...I've emailed mobymemory 5 minutes ago lets see what they reply with..anybody else have the problem of the phone not 'seeing' the memory card?

[meschle]

turns out I have the 4gb memory card from mobymemory...last couple of days its been giving me a lot of hassle..asking me to format it which I did twice and now its stopped working the phone just does red the card...I've emailed mobymemory 5 minutes ago lets see what they reply with..anybody else have the problem of the phone not 'seeing' the memory card?

How long did it work ok? try formatting it on the device using sktools or storage tools

[blazoner]

Take a look at this thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=267475). It describes this problem and it's solutions in detail. Just read miniSD instead of SD.

Remember, it can still be compatible with the current standard, even if it doesn't comply with the new standard.

If all Fords are cars, does that mean all cars are Fords?
If all miniHDSC cards are 4GB or larger, does that mean all 4GB or larger memory cards are miniHDSC cards?

[arp]

Hi,

I receive my new miniSD 4GB card... but my Wizard don't recognize it!
Is a new SDHC and even my laptop with a pcmcia reader card (old) don't recognize too! But I think card is OK because with my Sanyo Xacti C6 work well!
What can I do? Can I make 2x 2GB partitions FAT 16... maybe Wizard work?

Thanks

[EgemenBor]

well my phone isn't reading the memory card and when I try to access it via a card reader on my pc nothing happens...just gets stuck..could it be that the card is dead?

I've had the problem for the past week or so...the card in general was really slow I.e. uplaoding files and accessing the card on my pc would take a while..

[arp]

I try format miniSDHC 4GB card with 2 partitions 2GB FAT16 but Wizard don't recognize it! Even my old pcmcia card reader can't "see" it! At laptop only work with a card reader that works with SDHC!
Any Help?
Thanks

[arp]

By this experience, I think Wizard can't read any miniSDHC card unless HTC make a firmware update (will do sometime?) to support this new standard SDHC!
Anybody have better good news?

But, I can't understand why Qtek 9000 and S200 can read SD 4GB, like some persons report it!!!

Thanks

[meschle]

By this experience, I think Wizard can't read any miniSDHC card unless HTC make a firmware update (will do sometime?) to support this new standard SDHC!
Anybody have better good news?

But, I can't understand why Qtek 9000 and S200 can read SD 4GB, like some persons report it!!!

Thanks

Its SDHC that is the problem those devices can read 4gb cards but non-SDHC ones. Try to exchange your card for a non-SDHC one. (There are 2 types of large capacity cards)

[meschle]

I recieved the card today from mobymemory (£60) http://www.mobymemory.com/proddetail.asp?prod=miniSD%5F4096mb%5FMOBY%5F002
and my wizard registered the card as having nearly 3.9GB memory - good start. The card does seem slighter thinner than my 2gb card (i was expecting fatter) and feels a bit flimsier in the hand. However mobymemory state the card is well made - 'These are high grade SLC (Single layer construction) cards.' The usb stick adaptor is v nice and small enough to fit in my wallet - i have put my 2gb card in that.

http://www.mobymemory.com/images/products/bundlebuys/4GB-mini-SD-with-card-reader-large_1.jpg

I backed up my 2gb card in my pc and added some more music files so that the memory used is in excess of 2gb as commonly quoted for 4 gb cards work on these devices. I then put the 4gb card in the card reader (has to be usb 2.0 compatible) and connected to pc. Good pc recognized card and confirmed size and that it was fat32 (hmm interesting, it is often stated only fat cards work) Then i transferred all the files - which was slow - this is not a fast data transfer (write) card and took 1hour + yawn. At this stage i was worried that the card would be too slow on the device especially playing videos. But when i placed card back in my wizard - all seemed well - videos, music, games all played well with no lag except spb airislands which seem to stutter abit with the music - but i think this is because the game writes to the card as it plays. All other games inc g-prime extreme, doom, etc.. seemed fine.There was a slight slowdown when browsing the card with file explorer but i repeat slight. When you copy and paste a file it is slow - obviously a slow write speed. So i would not think this card is good for writing videos to via say coolcamera but is good for viewing them. I would suggest recording videos to main memory and then transfer to the card.
I took pictures both with the standard camera and coolcamera and they saved to storage card no problem :)
I still have nearly 1.8gb free - nice one!

I am happy :D and will keep the forum posted on reliability.

Personally i am v pleased with the card and the only drawback is the write speed - but for 4gb its worth it!

EDIT 2 glitches with this card - firstly when saving files in pocket word and excel it seems to take along time - the only work around i can see is to save to main memory and backup on storage card. Secondly with windows media player - songs play fine no problem but when you exit there is a 5-10 sec freeze on the device because some info is getting saved to storage card. I have worked out its the library database on the storage card that is causing this because if it is deleted the problem is not there. I figured a workaround - use playlists and a shortcut to them and a shortcut to my music folder. I am syncing all my music from my laptop as i write.

[Tref]

So meschle, have you by chance actually tested the difference in write times for the two cards yet? Slow is subjective. We need hard data man! ;o)

I'm very interested in upgrading my own 2gb card. But even when the cards become available here I won't if the write speeds are too slow in comparison to what I have now with my Sandisk 2gb card.

Also, SDHC stands for Secure Digital High Density I believe. Transcend has just released a new 4gb mini SDHC card, but it is described as SD 2.0 compatible, SDHC. I wonder if by non-SDHC you were referring to a standard earlier than version 2.0? I'm hoping so because the Transcend should eventually be available here, and I could really use the extra storage, if it will work.

http://www.techshout.com/hardware/2006/23/4gb-mini-sd-high-capacity-mini-sdhc-class-2-card-announced-by-transcend/

Thanks!

[meschle]

Hi tref - just for you i will test both cards and let you know the results. For me this card does the trick because mainly what i want is to store alot of music, videos and other data - this card seems good for that and at 50 pounds without reader is good value. But if U will use the card for writing data too, i could not recommend it. I am afraid SDHC cards will not be compatible with the wizard unless the firmware is updated.

[Tref]

Thank you meschle. I use my device as an information repositry, of reference material for my job. And so I write to the card a lot, usually in a situation where I've modified or added documents on my pc and am refreshing them on the device. But even at that if a write to a given file was only 25% slower that would not stop me from upgrading. The trick though will be to find a non-SDHC card. Thanks for your help. If I hadn't read your posts I might have made the mistake of purchasing a card that wouldn't work!

[meschle]

I have done a write test - my 2gb ultra card = 4mb/s and new 4gb card 0.6mb/s so quite a big difference but not as dire as i thought it may be. Its about standard for a non-ultra card but not suitable for you tref. My impression is that all these non-SDHC cards will be about the same as i have not seen a high speed minisd card of this size except the SDHC ones. But i would like to be shown wrong.;)

btw read speeds were 2gb ultra 13mb/s and 4gb 8.5mb/s so reading files is not a real problem. I feel the slow saving of files in word and excel is more because the 4gb card is fat 32 whereas the 2gb is fat 16. I tried to format 4 gb card to fat 16 but it refused, however it formatted to fat 32 easily.

[meschle]

I have done a write test - my 2gb ultra card = 4mb/s and new 4gb card = 0.6mb/s so quite a big difference but not as dire as i thought it may be. Its about standard for a non-ultra card but not suitable for you tref. My impression is that all these non-SDHC cards will be about the same as i have not seen a high speed minisd card of this size except the SDHC ones. But i would like to be shown wrong.;)

btw read speeds were 2gb ultra 13mb/s and 4gb 8.5mb/s so reading files is not a real problem. I feel the slow saving of files in word and excel is more because the 4gb card is fat 32 whereas the 2gb is fat 16. I tried to format 4 gb card to fat 16 but it refused, however it formatted to fat 32 easily.

[Tref]

Thanks for checking meschle. I wonder what would happen if the 4gb card were to be partitioned into 2, 2gb FAT16 partitions....

I'm not sure that WM5 could address both partitions, and if not and if you're right about the cluster size of FAT32 being the difference then there would be no easy way around the problem. And I do believe you're right.

I s'pose one could take the card out of the phone and put it in the computer to do updates but that wouldn't really be convenient. Guess I'd better be prepared to continue to get by with 2gb. I should be ok, given that my first computer had only a 40Mb hdd ;o)

[arp]

Hi meschle, did you try take fotos? I think will be a problem with a card with more than 2GB.
This tread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=267475) explain how to format a 4GB card in some partitions less than 2GB to solve problem... maybe put card more quick!

Regards

[meschle]

Hi tref - showing your age there - my first computer had 340mb lol - i lie it was 20mb in a portable! so maybe i am older than you:)
Hi arp, yes it does take pictures to storage card as long as the card is 2gb+ full. I thought about partioning too but it is taking so long to transfer all my data and music i think i will leave it for a rainy day :)

[meschle]

I think its going to rain tomorrow, so i'll partition my card and post results in the evening. After reading various posts i have a hunch it will improve matters.

[Tref]

I was afraid someone would make note of that. But it's kind of misleading because when I got my first computer (a 286), I was probably older than you are now ;o). I'm almost as old as dirt.

[meschle]

I partitioned the card and tried formatting to fat16 and fat32 and still file saving is slow and the glitch with media player still there. So i have gone back to single partition and use the workarounds i mentioned before.

[arp]

Hi meschle,

Did you try formatting whith some diferent parameters?

Look this link:
http://www.ppcsg.com/mobile/index.php/t76230-0.html?

Maybe improve...

Regards

[meschle]

Thanks arp - i will try diff parameters when i have some more time

[arp]

Strange... I know one person that confirm Qtek S200, that is like 9100 except keyboard, works well with SDHC 4GB!
Why 9100 no works???

[meschle]

Strange... I know one person that confirm Qtek S200, that is like 9100 except keyboard, works well with SDHC 4GB!
Why 9100 no works???
THANKS ARP
That device takes sd not minisd card - there are many high speed sd cards out there - are you sure it works with SDHC? If it does then its because of diff firmware and diff memory card reader on the device.

[arp]

Hi meschle,

Today I saw a file inwindows folder with this name: OMAP850_SDHC.dll !!!
I don't know porpuse... can be a driver (or not) for SDHC cards???

Regards

[meschle]

Hi meschle,

Today I saw a file inwindows folder with this name: OMAP850_SDHC.dll !!!
I don't know porpuse... can be a driver (or not) for SDHC cards???

Regards

I read a post that someone also found that file in the trinity but it still did not run a SDHC card. We can only hope someone develops a firmware upgrade for our devices as the new SDHC cards could max out at 32GB - now that would be awesome!

[da_jojo]

i found this file too indeed and some registry settings that belong to the sd reader device in the phone. Which implies it should be able to read the SDHC cards.. BUT there is no support in the bios for it so untill this has happend , i doubt any SDHC card works..

[Caio]

Sorry guys, but every 4GB card is SDHC or is there some possibility that it is not?

I've buyed this (http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=017&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=270080257803&rd=1&rd=1) card but I can't try it yet, do you think that it could work greatly or not?

Thank you

[ericb]

I purchased a 4Gb mini Sd and USB reader from MobyMemory.

The first one couldn't be read by the MDA Vario even though I had formatted it to FAT 32.

I returned it to Moby who replaced it.

The new one is currently working fine.

I just formatted it and copied the contents of my 2Gb card across.

Will feed back any problems, but so far so good.

[Caio]

I purchased a 4Gb mini Sd and USB reader from MobyMemory.

The first one couldn't be read by the MDA Vario even though I had formatted it to FAT 32.

I returned it to Moby who replaced it.

The new one is currently working fine.

I just formatted it and copied the contents of my 2Gb card across.

Will feed back any problems, but so far so good.

Aaah, good news :)
Do you formatted it all in FAT32?
1 or more partitions?
No problems about read/write speed?

[ericb]

Just formatted it FAT32 on my laptop using supplied USB reader.

Copied the 2gb contents to it and carried on.

1646.91 Mb in use

2331 Mb free

Runs Tom Tom and Route 66 fine.

Movies appear to play fine.

So far so good

[arp]

ericb,

I just purchase one from mobymemory too, but have problems!
My MDA Vario can "see" card and work well with litle files (30/540k) but freeze with large files like mp3!
More trange is this card work well on my old Qtek S100!
I don't understand Why?
I think PDA is ok because can work well with 2Gb cards.

I just format Fat, fat32, 2 partitions 2gb at fat, fat32... and nothing!

Any help?

[ericb]

arp

Sorry to hear your problems.

I cannot help other than to suggest you contact Mobymemory for a replacement. They were very good and quick.

My first one was invisible to the MDA Vario but the replacement is fine........ so far.

Actually, it wasn't always visible to the laptop now I come to think of it. Sometimes it saw it, sometimes it didn't. I think the card was almost certainly faulty.

If anything changes, I will feed back immediately.

Good Luck, sorry I can be of no further help.

[arp]

ericb
Have you arge files like movies (10 to 200MB) on card?
My problems are with large files!

[gasolina05161991]

The Wizard is miniSD compatible. miniSD is derived of the SD specification that support up to 2GB memory cards. 4GB cards are SDHC compatible derived of the SDHC specification. For this reason 4GB memory cards are not compatible with the wizard neither with TyTN. I don't know any 4GB miniSD card from any fame manufacturer.

More information on this link from SanDisk:
http://www.sandisk.com/Assets/File/pdf/retail/SDHC1.pdf


i have a 4gb card in my mda and it works fine.

just make sure its not a 4gb mini sdhc.

[Iftin]

working miniSDHC Apacer 4GB class 2 wizard 9100 G3 WM2006 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1963379&postcount=2