Trinity must have GPS

[sas90850]

Find this from chinese web site...........................

[varma_in_ap]

hi,

that just looks like mapking /papago screen.. cant prove that it has internal GPS.

[BeeBee]

What is your source.

[neofix]

BTW: the gps-antenna plug on 3300 looks just like the antenna plug on p3600 :):) But that might just a for saving money on connectors though...

[XenoV]

Find this from chinese web site...........................

The picture shows only 5 received sattellites and no fix!! Not very promising...
The shown device has no brand. It could be a Dopod test device.

Read this threat for more info:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1071782&postcount=140

[iantaylor27]

BTW: the gps-antenna plug on 3300 looks just like the antenna plug on p3600 :):) But that might just a for saving money on connectors though...

hello
Did your p3600 come with a operator wizard for settings for t-mobile etc?

[Guybrush]

The picture shows only 5 received sattellites and no fix!! Not very promising...
The shown device has no brand. It could be a Dopod test device.

Read this threat for more info:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1071782&postcount=140

depends from many factors that... inside my house also my Globalsat with Sirf Star 3 doesn't fix and get sattellites.

[karlbum]

a picture that shows satellite reception means nothing especially when there are many Bluetooth GPSr. Sure my O2 Mini can show you that page as well :p

Thus it can neither prove or disprove the availability of GPS :)

[nt007]

There are 2 version of Trinity, one has GPS and the other one don't

[Manne]

So, in that case, how does one know which version has GPS?

[remixme]

There are 2 version of Trinity, one has GPS and the other one don't

Without a source this is just pure fiction.

At least the previous poster provided a picture, lets try and keep to facts or rumours with some form of source, what do you think?

[nt007]

Without a source this is just pure fiction.

At least the previous poster provided a picture, lets try and keep to facts or rumours with some form of source, what do you think?

here, the GPS is 35519......

[adewidt]

here, the GPS is 35519......
That last number is the IMEI number, as far as I know it says nothing about the model number.

My Dutch device is:
Modelnr: TRIN100 (which is the same)
Platform: PocketPC
IMEI: 35942.....

[Guybrush]

My device is:
Modelnr: TRIN10000
Platform: PocketPC
IMEI: 35942.....

[adewidt]

My device is:
Modelnr: TRIN10000
Platform: PocketPC
IMEI: 35942.....
Here you can the structure of the IMEI-code.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMEI

You can analyse the code here:
http://www.numberingplans.com/?page=analysis&sub=imeinr

I think the only different between the IMEI on the photo is the remainder of the TAC and the unique serial number.

For my Europe/Dutch model:
Est. Date of Range Issuance Around Q1 2006
Reporting Body British Approvals Board of Telecommunications (BABT)
Primary Market Europe
Legal Basis for Allocation EU R&TTE Directive

[Manne]

How does the IMEI number relate to the possibility of GPS-function (which is the topic in this thread)?

[remixme]

How does the IMEI number relate to the possibility of GPS-function (which is the topic in this thread)?

As far as I'm concerned It doesn't, and if it did, which I seriously doubt, then nt007 has not provided any clear evidence or explanation.

nt007 if you have something concrete and definite info on this, I'd love to hear it and would be grateful to you for it. if not please stop phrasing your topics in a way that misleads.

[neofix]

I agree with Remixme... Saying that the imei has anything to do with GPS-functionality is most likely not true. This because the imei is made for a purpose, and that purpose is not to identify this type of functionality...

[Bart1981]

The rumour about 2 different types of P3600, one with and one without GPS, started in the Netherlands I think. Somebody send an e-mail to a internetshop which claimed there was no GPS in the Dutch P3600 versions.

I think this makes no sense. Because it's cheaper for HTC to produce only phones with all the same hardware. But because there is still no centainty the GPS functionallity will be availible, shops and HTC do not dare to say there is a GPS functionallity build in.

[comotu009]

I don't wanna disappoint you but take a look at here:
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/5860.html

[Manne]

I think this is a matter of semantics and (mis)interpretation. If we are to use the same logic as the above mentioned site uses: P3300 is also mentioned to have stand-alone GPS (in the catalogue for the European market), so P3300 does not have GPS either???

[adewidt]

I don't wanna disappoint you but take a look at here:
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/5860.html
Statement from the official Orange website:

le SPV M700 possède bien un GPS intégré... Il n'a pas été activé par le fabricant.
Courant premier trimestre 2007, le fabricant mettra à disposition une mise à jour logicielle qui ré-activera le GPS intégré.

En attendant, il est nécessaire d'utiliser une antenne GPS externe.
My French is not perfect but a quick translation:

The SPV M700 possess an integrated GPS. It is not activated by the manufacture.
In the first quarter of 2007, the manufacture will release an update to active the integrated GPS.

For me "standalone GPS" means an integrated GPS.
An external GPS is not a standalone PDA/GPS solution

[remixme]

I don't wanna disappoint you but take a look at here:
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/5860.html

Not really news, they don't have firm proof either way, wiseacre from the site has stated that "seeing is believing" in regards to GPS on the trinity, so hasn't mentioned it. Which is fair enough.

However we can be fairly sure that the Trinity has the appropriate hardware for some form of GPS, ie the RFR6250.
See this thread for photos and technical info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=282234

Unfortunately if they don't create the functionality in the rom then this is academic.

This whole GPS saga is going round in circles now, the best anyone can do is keep their eyes out for new ROMS and be patient.

If you want to buy a trinity just take it as it is with no GPS until proof is confirmed.

[Moaske]

This whole GPS saga is going round in circles now, the best anyone can do is keep their eyes out for new ROMS and be patient.

If you want to buy a trinity just take it as it is with no GPS until proof is confirmed.

I couldn't agree more... :) I bought this s**ker just for the fantastic phone it is, and if GPS were ever enabled, it would be just the icing on the cake for me...
If you need built in GPS right now; buy a Artemis... :cool:

[tigergutt1]

This has now been confirmed by HTC! :D

A new room will be released in Q1 2007. Se www.smartmobil.no (in norwegian) for more info.

[Guybrush]

fresh news... directly from HTC

Dear Sir,

The GPS chip in the P3600 is the same as in the P3300, it is just disabled, however the chip is the Qualcom 6275. The Qualcom is a standalone GPS chip and has an accuracy of 95% within 15 mins.

Thank you for your enquiry, Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your Local number can be found at http://www.europe.htc.com/support/cs_by_phone.html

Best regards,
HTC Support

[comotu009]

ok! let's think p3600 has built in GPS hardware.
can someone explain for me why they should sell p3600 cheaper than p3300???????(even with a beter cpu+3G network+better type of storage Mini-SD+more battery capacity and .....)

[adewidt]

ok! let's think p3600 has built in GPS hardware.
can someone explain for me why they should sell p3600 cheaper than p3300???????(even with a beter cpu+3G network+better type of storage Mini-SD+more battery capacity and .....)Because most P3300 devices has a copy of TomTom6.

Edit:
Here in the Netherlands the P3300 is €40,- cheaper then a P3600.

[firstime911]

What i heard is that GPS chip Qualcom on P3600, is much slower compare to Siriii on P3300

is this ture?

[export800]

How can the P3600 and P3300 be using the same GPS chip? We already know that the Trinity doesn't have the SirfStarIII chip as we have seen the inside. We know that the P3300 doesn't use the Qualcomm 6275 chip (right?).. Sounds like the rep doesn't know what he is talking about. Though I could be totally wrong too.. so take everything I said with a grain of salt ;)

[comotu009]

Because most P3300 devices has a copy of TomTom6.

Edit:
Here in the Netherlands the P3300 is €40,- cheaper then a P3600.

http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=140451
http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=139981

[adewidt]

http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=140451
http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=139981
That prices are extremely high.
In the Netherlands you can buy a Trinity for £351.18

The P3300 has TomTom West Europe integrated.
You have to add £81.95 to the P3600 to make a realistic comparisation in price.

[paalkr]

How can the P3600 and P3300 be using the same GPS chip? We already know that the Trinity doesn't have the SirfStarIII chip as we have seen the inside. We know that the P3300 doesn't use the Qualcomm 6275 chip (right?).. Sounds like the rep doesn't know what he is talking about. Though I could be totally wrong too.. so take everything I said with a grain of salt ;)

Hi!

If I'm not totally wrong... The Qualcomm chip (processing chip) could be the same in bothe devices. The SiRFStarIII is a RF-head, aka an antenna. As far as I know the Qualcomm chip could be used with different RF-heads (antennas), and in P3300 this is a SiRFStarIII.

PK

[mantra]

The Trinity DOES have built in GPS. Whether you can use it or not depends on the ROM version. How do I know?

I've got one. Rom Version 1.17.61.1 activates the GPS.

[amsnake]

The Trinity DOES have built in GPS. Whether you can use it or not depends on the ROM version. How do I know?

I've got one. Rom Version 1.17.61.1 activates the GPS.

Is it true? Can you post some screenshots? Or give us a proof of somekind...

[SecureGSM]

DOPOD (Asia) trinity ROM:

RUU_Trinity_DOPODASIA_WWE_1.17.707.3_6275_1.24.00. 11_107_Ship.exe (AKU 3.0)



TIM branded Italian ROM HTC P3600( AKU 3.3)

RUU_TRINITY_HTC_ITA_1.20.408.1_6275_1.25.00.00_108 _TEST.EXE

These firmware files should have gps acitvated then.. Right???

[Guybrush]

first rom in 2007 should have...

[Guybrush]

nobody has disassembled his Artemis yet ? ;D

[phreaker18]

Well im relatively new to this but to my understanding.... the Orange SVP M700 has built in GPS.... and i have also read in some of the forums that HTC will come out with a ROM update that will enable the existing GPS chipset in the device

[varma_in_ap]

The Trinity DOES have built in GPS. Whether you can use it or not depends on the ROM version. How do I know?

I've got one. Rom Version 1.17.61.1 activates the GPS.


Is it possible to dump ur ROM?

[raven2000]

The Trinity DOES have built in GPS. Whether you can use it or not depends on the ROM version. How do I know?

I've got one. Rom Version 1.17.61.1 activates the GPS.

any proof? post some screenshots

[kitcloud2004]

What do u guy think about the link below?

http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showthread.php?t=50357&page=2

[marco007]

Hi,
For what I understood, the GPS chip is not a "real" GPS, because it is not so powerful than the one that is in the P3300... i.e. the chip has an error between 5 and 15 meters in localize the real position. Such GPS chip is integrated in the Qualcomm MSM6275, that is the main hardware of the P3600... my question is: he TYTN has the same hardware so, maybe, also this pda has the GPS?

[comotu009]

if you have seen Qualcomm MSM6275 map it contains a chipset for navigation that it called GPSone.
you can see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GpsOne
and also in their official website: http://www.cdmatech.com/products/gpsone.jsp

[lmjabreu]

gpsOne provides AGPS,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS
"In one mode of A-GPS, the mobile receiver takes a snapshot of the satellite signals and transmits these to a cell tower to relay the data to an assistance server that performs the necessary calculations for a position fix."

They could release a firmware with AGPS enabled but altered in order to process the received(if it really does can receive sattelite gps info) gps info on the p3600.

But humm, I really doubt the P3600 will have real built-in gps.

And humm, fm radio?

edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GpsOne#What_it_does

"Standalone" :D

and if the cell phone carrier has AGPS support maybe it can even operate in MS Assisted/Hybrid wich would provide excelent accuracy! Better than p3300 GPS-only solution!

maybe Trinity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_site)is the appropriate codename for this pocket pc lol (refering exclusively to the massive explosion and 'awe' and forget ting about what they did after the tests)

[Guybrush]

HTC told me... p3600 have the same chip of p3300 about GPS... Qualcom 6275... it's just disabled... and it works as standalone gps.... maybe between p3300 and p3600 change only the antenna, p3300 should be a sirf star III but i never see a p3300 naked =) regarding FM radio, there's no FM Radio in Trinity.

[comotu009]

HTC told me... p3600 have the same chip of p3300 about GPS... Qualcom 6275... it's just disabled... and it works as standalone gps.... maybe between p3300 and p3600 change only the antenna, p3300 should be a sirf star III but i never see a p3300 naked =) regarding FM radio, there's no FM Radio in Trinity.

the main chip in p3300 is like HTC Prophet the OMAP 850 and the GPS chipset is a SIRF III but in p3600 the main chip is Qualcom 6275 that contains somethings called GPSone and I'm not sure that what the hell is this????
A-GPS or GPS or maybe none of them!!!!
so I can't see any common chip!!!!(except ARM 926)
see the photos for more.

[Guybrush]

i know processor is OMAP 850 for p3300.... but GPS chips should be the same Qualcomm... Did you see internal pictures of p3300 ?


Dear Sir,

The GPS chip in the P3600 is the same as in the P3300, it is just disabled, however the chip is the Qualcom 6275. The Qualcom is a standalone GPS chip and has an accuracy of 95% within 15 mins.

Thank you for your enquiry, Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your Local number can be found at http://www.europe.htc.com/support/cs_by_phone.html

Best regards,
HTC Support
callservice@htceurope.com
http://www.htc.com


I'd like to check internal pictures of p3300...

[neofix]

*argh*.... I want my update! *argh*

*takes of my wooden leg and pokes a HTC-devoloper with it* :p *Argh*

[anonimo]

Dear Sir,

The GPS chip in the P3600 is the same as in the P3300, it is just disabled, however the chip is the Qualcom 6275. The Qualcom is a standalone GPS chip and has an accuracy of 95% within 15 mins.



Well considering that they read "m" in GPS specs as minutes rather than meters I think their answer has an accuracy of 1% within 15 mins :D

[mikesol]

To be fair, it's possible minutes of arc was meant; but that would probably be pretty terrible resolution, so we'll assume meters :-)

[ulischultz]

I got this answer from HTC today...

Dear Sir,

The device does have built in GPS, but it is disabled for technical reasons.
A future ROM update will update it shortly. There is no date set on this particular update, so we cannot speculate when this will be.

Thank you for your enquiry, Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your Local number can be found at http://www.europe.htc.com/support/cs_by_phone.html

Best regards,
HTC Support
callservice@htceurope.com
http://www.htc.com

[Matterhorn]

I got this answer from HTC today...

Dear Sir,

The device does have built in GPS, but it is disabled for technical reasons.
A future ROM update will update it shortly. There is no date set on this particular update, so we cannot speculate when this will be.

Thank you for your enquiry, Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your Local number can be found at http://www.europe.htc.com/support/cs_by_phone.html

Best regards,
HTC Support
callservice@htceurope.com
http://www.htc.com
That is great news. We could use some general updates to the current ROM as well.

[mikesol]

So if there is GPS and an update installs it, will it work with TomTom 6 or other existing GPS programs? I assume there's a standard GPS API built into Windows Mobile that all these programs talk to, right?

[Tiemen]

The API exists and has already been unlocked, check the trinity upgrade forum.
The API is a standard part of WM5 but was disabled by HTC supposedly because it serves no function as long as the GPS unit is disabled.

I'm guessing that it will be enabled when the ROM update comes out enabling the GPS unit.
For now you can at least check out the WM5 GPS API.