I have been banned....Sorry Moderators

[astraman]

Hello Everyone

i did not know that you do not post warez in this forum....so please excuse me....anyway warez are all over the net....keep the good working with M$ windows only.....sorry again

cheers:)

[vijay555]

Astra I left your post up for over a day with a warning that if you don't follow rules and amend the post you will be banned. You didn't, and so I banned you.

It makes banning a mockery now that you have rejoined, but by virtue of your baptism by fire I hope that you will be a good boy now. Look, we're all grown ups, we all know how to get warez. But it's not in your interest or ours to distribute warez in a very public manner. Microsoft and other copyright holders can and are exercising their legitimate control of materials illegally distributed through this site.

Sorry for being a hard ass.

V

[kingdomraj]

hey vijay ... i just wanted to know one stuff... how legal is it to copy win mobile from one device and then alter it to our desires and then uploading it for all.... trust me i didnt want to be harsh.... just wantd to know that if posting a warez link is prohibited i am sure that microsoft does not approve of this too.... for that matter we are all eagerly awaiting for crossbow for our device but i am sure microsoft does not approve that..... so why are you so soft hearted for these crimes....
no offence even i am using helmi's 3.5 and i know that its an excellent rom but i am sure that its not a legal one..... so what do you say about it.. if you are so against piracy then you should be againt it in any form... isnt it

just a thought
do comment

[Menneisyys]

hey vijay ... i just wanted to know one stuff... how legal is it to copy win mobile from one device and then alter it to our desires and then uploading it for all.... trust me i didnt want to be harsh.... just wantd to know that if posting a warez link is prohibited i am sure that microsoft does not approve of this too.... for that matter we are all eagerly awaiting for crossbow for our device but i am sure microsoft does not approve that..... so why are you so soft hearted for these crimes....
no offence even i am using helmi's 3.5 and i know that its an excellent rom but i am sure that its not a legal one..... so what do you say about it.. if you are so against piracy then you should be againt it in any form... isnt it

just a thought
do comment

Well, for example, don't post warez discussion forum links ;) (see your today's post at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=286918 )

[vijay555]

Raj, you're asking the wrong guy. You can see that I don't say this is MY policy of warez. You can see specifically that I'm realistic in that we all know how to get warez... read my other posts on the subject. I'm not in a position to condone warez, but I've expressly stated (see the TomTom thread) that I will personally guide those that want warez, but will not allow it on the board.

I am a coder in my spare time, and make no money from it, but there are many enthusiastic coders who's software you are no doubt using, who would lose out if we pirate their warez. Have a heart or spare a thought. I'm not going to preach - each man controls his own destiny.

But this is a public forum, and a useful resource to us all. If you start talking about killing all Jews or how incest is best kept in the family, then I'd have the same attitude: do what you like in your house, but this is a public resource, and a helpful one, that deserves being protected by all those that benefit from it.

Regarding Roms:
This is still an entirely open question. The way I look at this is that HTC/our operator provides us with a rom on our device. They grant us a license to use the Rom, like most EULAs. And theoretically their intellectual property is vested and static within the rom itself.

However, the rom update files are distributed freely on the web. Our work in dissecting roms and make a “best of compilation” is hopefully fair use, we are generally only re-using intellectual property that is effectively licensed to us by our operator. So our best of roms merely maximise use of those materials and from there our use of the phones. I know I wouldn’t be using my phones if they weren’t maxed out with my own mods, and likewise, I can be sure that my next phone will be Windows Mobile, and almost certainly HTC, as a result of this community. I hope that HTC and Microsoft acknowledge that themselves – communities build device support and vice versa. Look at Modaco.

The problems arise with intellectual property not by those copyright holders. Palm asked us to remove Palm Messaging, and rightly so, they had every right to do so. As did Picsel with the Picsel Browser. We will comply with EVERY request to remove copyrighted material. If you can’t find anyone to do so, write to me. For legal reasons precise compliance with such a request will depend on the jurisdiction in which the copyright holder resides and the location of the XDA Devs server/host.

But I hope I speak for all the mods in saying that we are over zealous in our efforts to keep this board running, and we’d do that without warez and even questionable roms if required. But it has to be said, the board has been up for a while, and we hope that we have helped other users, not screwed the copyright holders.

Regarding Crossbow – anyone distributing it should be aware of the risk they put themselves and their source in. The mods have discussed this, and as with all intellectual challenge, will embrace its support and extend its execution. But we don’t want to get involved in hosting it right now. Rapidshare links are questionable enough, but down to the user himself.

Raj, we don't profess to be perfect. But we hope the forum provides a useful resource. I advise all users to keep it alive, and be sensible.

V

[astraman]

OK guys....let's close this disscusion and keep going in our good work.....thankx everybody.....sorry again:)

[astraman]

Astra I left your post up for over a day with a warning that if you don't follow rules and amend the post you will be banned. You didn't, and so I banned you.

It makes banning a mockery now that you have rejoined, but by virtue of your baptism by fire I hope that you will be a good boy now. Look, we're all grown ups, we all know how to get warez. But it's not in your interest or ours to distribute warez in a very public manner. Microsoft and other copyright holders can and are exercising their legitimate control of materials illegally distributed through this site.

Sorry for being a hard ass.

V

vijay555 i just come here every few days when i want to follow up the good work done here for the firmwares....but i spend most of the time at the other sites that provide us with the latest warez....thnkx

[vijay555]

Astra, seriously, no problem. It's just that you came on the board as a noob with a couple of posts asking for warez... like I said, I left a warning but we have to be fairly strict. It'll be very easy for the board to go downhill very quickly... but thanks for being gracious. No hard feelings.

V

[Bulldog]

I have to agree with vijay555 to keep the warez out of this forum.
This forum is very informative; it helps many to experience information which is in fact impossible to get anywhere else. Only because of this forum I have receive support for my Devices which I couldn’t get anywhere else.

A old Chinese saying: you don’t shxt in your leaving room!

So better to keep the leaving room clean and use the bath-room for those others :0)

[kingdomraj]

Raj, you're asking the wrong guy. You can see that I don't say this is MY policy of warez. You can see specifically that I'm realistic in that we all know how to get warez... read my other posts on the subject. I'm not in a position to condone warez, but I've expressly stated (see the TomTom thread) that I will personally guide those that want warez, but will not allow it on the board.

I am a coder in my spare time, and make no money from it, but there are many enthusiastic coders who's software you are no doubt using, who would lose out if we pirate their warez. Have a heart or spare a thought. I'm not going to preach - each man controls his own destiny.

But this is a public forum, and a useful resource to us all. If you start talking about killing all Jews or how incest is best kept in the family, then I'd have the same attitude: do what you like in your house, but this is a public resource, and a helpful one, that deserves being protected by all those that benefit from it.

Regarding Roms:
This is still an entirely open question. The way I look at this is that HTC/our operator provides us with a rom on our device. They grant us a license to use the Rom, like most EULAs. And theoretically their intellectual property is vested and static within the rom itself.

However, the rom update files are distributed freely on the web. Our work in dissecting roms and make a “best of compilation” is hopefully fair use, we are generally only re-using intellectual property that is effectively licensed to us by our operator. So our best of roms merely maximise use of those materials and from there our use of the phones. I know I wouldn’t be using my phones if they weren’t maxed out with my own mods, and likewise, I can be sure that my next phone will be Windows Mobile, and almost certainly HTC, as a result of this community. I hope that HTC and Microsoft acknowledge that themselves – communities build device support and vice versa. Look at Modaco.

The problems arise with intellectual property not by those copyright holders. Palm asked us to remove Palm Messaging, and rightly so, they had every right to do so. As did Picsel with the Picsel Browser. We will comply with EVERY request to remove copyrighted material. If you can’t find anyone to do so, write to me. For legal reasons precise compliance with such a request will depend on the jurisdiction in which the copyright holder resides and the location of the XDA Devs server/host.

But I hope I speak for all the mods in saying that we are over zealous in our efforts to keep this board running, and we’d do that without warez and even questionable roms if required. But it has to be said, the board has been up for a while, and we hope that we have helped other users, not screwed the copyright holders.

Regarding Crossbow – anyone distributing it should be aware of the risk they put themselves and their source in. The mods have discussed this, and as with all intellectual challenge, will embrace its support and extend its execution. But we don’t want to get involved in hosting it right now. Rapidshare links are questionable enough, but down to the user himself.

Raj, we don't profess to be perfect. But we hope the forum provides a useful resource. I advise all users to keep it alive, and be sensible.

V

thanks a lot... it was all very informative and trust me i did not think that you will take all the pain to explain me these things in such an elaborate manner....it was very considerate of you
realy i mean it...
thanx man

[Menneisyys]

BTW, while cooked ROM's are indeed a "not-entirely-white" area, if you consider piracy as "something that does financial damage to the developer", then, cooked ROM's shouldn't be considered in so a strict way as traditional warez. (Actually, cooked, advanced ROMs even raise the value of a given Pocket PC model, generating more sales.)

[kingdomraj]

BTW, while cooked ROM's are indeed a "not-entirely-white" area, if you consider piracy as "something that does financial damage to the developer", then, cooked ROM's shouldn't be considered in so a strict way as traditional warez. (Actually, cooked, advanced ROMs even raise the value of a given Pocket PC model, generating more sales.)

yeah i do agree to it now