Apple iPhone

[schizo]

Finally I agree... iPhone has the class of its owns... and not comparable to any other devices ever existed.

See here in Mobile Review: http://www.mobile-review.com/articles/2007/iphone-name-en.shtml

They passed after smartphone, enterprise, multimedia, and finally categorized it into "Fashion Phone". Haute coutoure maybe... :D

But IMHO, haute coutoure is personal. So since iPhone is a hype, then it is mainstream fashion... not haute coutoure/personal :P

[matt.bleasby]

I think that the Iphone isnt really a competitor for the WM series as the compatabiliy dosent match as well as the capeability but its a nice phone good concept but didnt do it for me

[DaVince]

Iphone looks and feels nice. period.

[tenzin]

I use an iPhone for 18 days now, except the phone part.

What I can tell you is that iPhone is fun ... but far away to be perfect !

The keyboard is a nightmare (and I have thin thingers!), and no directionnal arrows , plus the scroll to find a contact is nuts even if it can seem funny the first time, it take too much time , no possibilities to tap the first letters to find a contact, portrait-landscape automatic moving is not for all the applications :-( , etc ... etc ... plus no good software on it like a good PIM, etc ... everything is too basic.

And .. it crashed 2 times , have to do a reset , and same from 3 of my friends ... that is not important for me but just to tell that iPhone also crashed ...

So as it is right now the iphone is for people who just want a phone-ipod but can't replace my HTC P3600 or X7500, far away .

In fact it's more a fashion-phone but don't expect too much from it ! you can't compare with WM devices such HTC ones ...

Good phone for fashion-victims too, as Paris Hilton can show .

The graphic interface is cool, but that doesn't make all !!! after all that iPapy told us in january I was expecting more, lots of work to do on it .

[tomazez]

wm6 beats iphone only with:
- touchflo
- spb mobile shell
- pocketcm keyboard
- pocketcm contact manager
- pocket player
- picsel browser
- the ability of tweaking your phone easily
and last but not least:
- tomtom 6

:D:P

[BrigateGB]

wm6 beats iphone only with:
- touchflo
- spb mobile shell
- pocketcm keyboard
- pocketcm contact manager
- pocket player
- picsel browser
- the ability of tweaking your phone easily
and last but not least:
- tomtom 6

:D:P

Nothing else? ;)

[spangelsaregreat]

One thing the iphone has done for me is make me use the touch screen more with Touch Flo, pocket CM keyboard etc.

It has forced WM developers to provide a more user friendly interface.

I can remember quite clearly when I first got a JAM being a bit frustrated at having to take out the stylus all the time. Sure it is great for writing out quick notes but having to use it to end programs and scroll etc was a pain.

Over the last few years (using a JAMin then a P3300) I have been able to cut down the use of the stylus through configuring buttons and using scroll wheels etc.

The iphone style use of the touch screen has further refined my use with touch scrolling etc. which is a good thing. I still use the stylus for writing duties mainly (it is simply faster for me) but is still handy to have the iphone style keyboard for one handed texting (I never liked phone pad), something you could never do with WM keyboard.

So the iphone has made WM move to a better user interface, much like the MAC did with windows on the PC.

I would never consider buying a MAC and I would never consider an iphone (it simply does not do enough compared ot a Pocket PC) but I am glad they are there as competition has made Microsoft and its associated developers raise their game.

Regards

[tomazez]

Nothing else? ;)

o o and spb brain evolution!
love that game:rolleyes:

[BrigateGB]

o o and spb brain evolution!
love that game:rolleyes:

Ohh then it is ok :p

[vladimir2989]

whot video types dose it support ?
.avi .mp4 .mov DivX, Xvid ??? whot videos cen it play ?

Whot Music will it play ?
will it play unprotected MP3's (from limewire and other "untrusted" sources) ??

will music sync with Windows Media Player ? or do i have to use bloody iTunes ? :mad:

is there a way to search a contact list fast ?
like in Windows Mobile 6 u type the name and it searches while u type ?

Cen u see whots on the screen in the day light outside ?

cen u install software on it ?
(any software yahoo widgets ?)

Dose it play nice with Windows Vista and Office 2007 ?

[xxza]

I have high hopes for the HTC Touch from Sprint this Q4. With 400MHz and 128MB memory, you can have much much more fun than Iphone.

[Wolfdragon]

First i'd like to commend the Iphone on maintaining the whole ipod hype, good job there. but i ask this in the same breath, how is it to achieve the great feats it promises and it isn't even 3g capable??? GSM is kool an all but i've been doing some studying and looking for a new phone(thread here) (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=325719) and corrct me if i'm wrong but 3g is to enable for the faster capability used in web browsing and other wonderful "portable" internet fun. next on my hit list of doubts is the fact that history has repeated itself with the "non-user friendly" battery used in the 1st and 2nd gen ipods.
one very nice detail to the iphone is the music photos and video...hello I P O D:rolleyes: !!! needless to say all this means is you have an ipod you can shove a sim card into. backtracking a bit to the whole web thing... yeah it can load full pages but how many people are so deprived they need to see full function porn sites "a la mode"???
next...hard drive space. Now i must admit Apple beat everyone to a functional, popular hard drive phone. I must admit this is a presidence and a dream to follow, BUT... it's a hard drive wrapped in a device known for fashion not function and so in a year i can expect that other than traveling movie buffs most Iphone owners will have only used @ maximum 57% of thier drive contacts,pictures,music and movies included. and finally, now this to me is the kicker. Ease of use... has anyone tried to type a full message via email on this thing the "predictive" keyboard leave to no imagination as community "lingo" will not be tolerated and can get very frustrating to edit. Also on ease of use the O.S. X i believe is the best gui system apple has ever created and so seeing this in a phone from apple is more than a step in the right direction;) . anyone growing up with apple being in the PC community will realize that alot of apple owners have been guilty of "getting lost" in simple tasks, which is not the case here. on this i can give no downside and will hold on my pro list;) . BUT WAIT!!!...i got something... i remembered that apple has this ittly bitty issue with "freezing to death" as it were which as with the Ipod meant loosing all the music you spent hours affectionately collecting after a Itunes resync.:eek:
In ending i say this, If we look at the battle between the video ipod and the zune. it is clear that the zune outperforms the ipod on all levels but the ipod gets more recognition because it dresses pretty. the same can be said about the iphone...maybe in time, MAYBE we'll see that the hype just isn't worth it.

[Underwaterdub]

First i'd like to commend the Iphone on maintaining the whole ipod hype, good job there. but i ask this in the same breath, how is it to achieve the great feats it promises and it isn't even 3g capable??? GSM is kool an all but i've been doing some studying and looking for a new phone(thread here) (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=325719) and corrct me if i'm wrong but 3g is to enable for the faster capability used in web browsing and other wonderful "portable" internet fun. next on my hit list of doubts is the fact that history has repeated itself with the "non-user friendly" battery used in the 1st and 2nd gen ipods.
one very nice detail to the iphone is the music photos and video...hello I P O D:rolleyes: !!! needless to say all this means is you have an ipod you can shove a sim card into. backtracking a bit to the whole web thing... yeah it can load full pages but how many people are so deprived they need to see full function porn sites "a la mode"???
next...hard drive space. Now i must admit Apple beat everyone to a functional, popular hard drive phone. I must admit this is a presidence and a dream to follow, BUT... it's a hard drive wrapped in a device known for fashion not function and so in a year i can expect that other than traveling movie buffs most Iphone owners will have only used @ maximum 57% of thier drive contacts,pictures,music and movies included. and finally, now this to me is the kicker. Ease of use... has anyone tried to type a full message via email on this thing the "predictive" keyboard leave to no imagination as community "lingo" will not be tolerated and can get very frustrating to edit. Also on ease of use the O.S. X i believe is the best gui system apple has ever created and so seeing this in a phone from apple is more than a step in the right direction;) . anyone growing up with apple being in the PC community will realize that alot of apple owners have been guilty of "getting lost" in simple tasks, which is not the case here. on this i can give no downside and will hold on my pro list;) . BUT WAIT!!!...i got something... i remembered that apple has this ittly bitty issue with "freezing to death" as it were which as with the Ipod meant loosing all the music you spent hours affectionately collecting after a Itunes resync.:eek:
In ending i say this, If we look at the battle between the video ipod and the zune. it is clear that the zune outperforms the ipod on all levels but the ipod gets more recognition because it dresses pretty. the same can be said about the iphone...maybe in time, MAYBE we'll see that the hype just isn't worth it.

C'mon, are you jealous of all the mac users who have a virus-free environment, a crash-resistant OS, a better and easier usable System AND everything wrapped into a beautyful design?

There's no reason to blame Apple for being successful..

[chococrazy]

how do i delete it plz help:confused: :(

[the-equinoxe]

Hello All,

Nice to read your suggestion all are very helpful to me but, I have a iPhone and I want put DVD into it??
I’m using an iPhone video converter. I got it from http://iphone.crappy-software-com.com/ . It’s really easy to use and provides amazing speed...

Thanks..


andrew_Hill

Andrew, you are a dirty rotten spammer, and the software is crappy (can't beat the freeware)

[Wolfdragon]

C'mon, are you jealous of all the mac users who have a virus-free environment, a crash-resistant OS, a better and easier usable System AND everything wrapped into a beautyful design?

There's no reason to blame Apple for being successful..

SUCCESSFUL???:rolleyes: Do you know PC history? If you did you'ld realize if Apple had been "successful" microsoft wouldn't be where it is today.
Here's a short PC History note in summary for ya...

PC DARPA to Today:
Chapter 1
After the success of the DARPA net in military applications and the release to the "wealthy"(at the time) Apple sought to make a "comsumer Feindly" version of the Gigantic machines the military had in thier artillary...hence being on call for having the FIRST P=personal C=computer (yeah they were first). However how useful was a personal computer if (1) it wasn't really personal and (2) it was waaaaaaay too expensive for average, everyday "people" to own. This is where Bill Gates (the apple evil genius and a teenager) steps in. he devised a way to create programs AND systems that were cheap enough to start the trend we now consider common place.
Chapter 2
in the efforts of the man now known as Mr. Microsoft computers now had the ability to cross-member i.e. parts from one system could be used in another and programs were inter-system commucable. While Aplle still a great company sitting on massive wealth due to (again) fashion. wasn't able to EASILY cross data from thier network to the now more standard microsoft network. Just to complete this task required great network enhancements and software upgrades which were in the simplest understanding "unneccessary". so the Government and populous at large slowly but smartly deviated from Apple,MAC and all things in thier group.
Chapter 3
Breezing through time we get to the last mmmm... 10 years where apple makes an astounding come back with the "G" systems, largely thanks to the expansion in movie and picture editting(apple got lucky someone had the money to try them first) the MAC was back. now with the "g" series on a push Apple execs decide to risk what is known as a Publicity Stunt. they Over promote the release of thier first MP3 player, the Ipod. IT WORKED!!! (again luckily) people were in the scene for something new with CD sales on the rise, people were collecting music on thier PCs and moving them to burnable versions as to get thier fav. playlists on the go.

If you want i could continue but to avoid looking like a bookworm(too late i know) i'll tell you this...i laugh at you and everyone like you who thinks people are "jealous" for smitting the Apple name. but really it's just us wanting more from a company that has just realised it's a good thing to play nice with everyone else. To your comment on a crash safe system i say...WTF are you talking about? You do realize until recently Mac had the highest rate of system crashes not involving a virus or intrusion? to be totally honest the only reason apple is so "virus free" is because almost everyone ahs a Microsoft branded device and the retards and criminals that make virouses want the populous not the fashionable computer illiterate few...one good example in proof is the System specific virus that targets Ipods through music downloads....you really think some X popping nutjob would waste his time on a virus that wouldn't be noticed?

[Wolfdragon]

No offence UnderWaterdub as i love a good debate but to prove a point i wanna ask something. When you purchased your "macbook pro"(nice system by the way) did you buy it becasue of what capabilities it has and wat it can do, or did you shell out upwards of 2,000 smackaroos( costs more for a screen upgrade and slight cosmetic upgrades) because of a name and look?

[xxza]

$200 drop on iphone... good job, steve.

btw, Gphone is coming...

[schizo]

windows mobile is the best mobile phone OS

I would rather say it is the best since the choice on Phone PDA OS are limited now, and people would rather choose the "safe platform" on which they can share with many others.

I think Palm OS was the best PDA OS, lean, small, fast, functional, usable. Unfortunately they had missed the critical milestone on PDA -> PDA Phone evolution, they miss the convergence idea, and have to gave their position in the market to Micro$oft. As desperate as they were, that they have released Palm Treo using Windows Mobile as the OS :eek:

As for the sake of our own interest as customer, I really expect some competition in PDA Phone OS. Even when I think iPhone as a marketing gimmick, I still have to thank Apple for "heating up" the arena.

If only Palm could eventualy found a breakthrough and added the pressure, I as a customer, would be very glad.

Full dependability on Micro$oft product is dangerous. Since their proven personality trait is when they enter something they want to take it all. Bill Gates will never satisfied until all the money in the world is HIS.

As in PC, the next thing we will see is a Lawsuit on Monopoly Practice when they incorporate every little software into their OS core in effort to get rid of every other small software house which have given us so many better alternatives.

You already see MSN Messenger, Internet Explorer and Windows Live don't you? Can't you see the pattern?

[madador03]

Probably a stupid question, but I understnad that there is a way to hack the iPhone and unlock the SIM card so you can use it for T-Mobile or other carriers around the world. I assume thats not possible with Sprint since Sprint is CDMA T-Mobile/AT&T are GSM, right? What the hell is so different about the two? is it hardware? Is it theoretically possible to hack the iPhone to work for sprint? I think its a great phone, but I'd prefer a physical keyboard since I do a lot of texting and web browsing. I think its less accurate than a physical keyboard but I do love the multi-touch interface. So is it possible to work the iPhone (GSM) on a CDMA carrier? I'm sure the answer is no, but I wanted to know why. If an expert on the subject can reply with a detailed answer, that'd be great! unless the answer is simple. thanks a lot guys!

[mablan]

Probably a stupid question, but I understnad that there is a way to hack the iPhone and unlock the SIM card so you can use it for T-Mobile or other carriers around the world. I assume thats not possible with Sprint since Sprint is CDMA T-Mobile/AT&T are GSM, right? What the hell is so different about the two? is it hardware? Is it theoretically possible to hack the iPhone to work for sprint? I think its a great phone, but I'd prefer a physical keyboard since I do a lot of texting and web browsing. I think its less accurate than a physical keyboard but I do love the multi-touch interface. So is it possible to work the iPhone (GSM) on a CDMA carrier? I'm sure the answer is no, but I wanted to know why. If an expert on the subject can reply with a detailed answer, that'd be great! unless the answer is simple. thanks a lot guys!

Hi man...
I'm not the expert you are asking for but can tell you one simple thing about the main diference of CDMA and GSM... as I know, the GSM networks use sim cards in the phone with the information about your carrier network,etc... the CDMA phones do not use sim card and have the info. saved on the phone itself.

hope this helps meanwhile someone more helpfull answer the question...

Regards;

[madador03]

Hi man...
I'm not the expert you are asking for but can tell you one simple thing about the main diference of CDMA and GSM... as I know, the GSM networks use sim cards in the phone with the information about your carrier network,etc... the CDMA phones do not use sim card and have the info. saved on the phone itself.

hope this helps meanwhile someone more helpfull answer the question...

Regards;

Yeah I don't know much either and I'd agree that its one of the big differences, but the Blackberry 8830 is marketed on Sprint.com with the following feature: "Unlocked SIM Device. Use in market carrier SIM cards while traveling abroad" To my knowledge, this is the first I've EVER heard of this. I wish I could take that SIM card and stuff it into the iPhone. Although I wouldn't be surprised if using the sprint network required no SIM card, but international use allowed the use of a SIM card with an open slot. blah,

So any experts want to shed light on the differences between GSM and CDMA (and EVDO) and why we can't hack the iPhone for Sprint, which has been unlocked for use with any GSM carrier? You can get as technical as you want, I've got the brain for it...but that doesn't mean I won't ask questions! thanks a lot guys

Cheers,
Justin

[2manyphones]

Yeah I don't know much either and I'd agree that its one of the big differences, but the Blackberry 8830 is marketed on Sprint.com with the following feature: "Unlocked SIM Device. Use in market carrier SIM cards while traveling abroad" To my knowledge, this is the first I've EVER heard of this. I wish I could take that SIM card and stuff it into the iPhone. Although I wouldn't be surprised if using the sprint network required no SIM card, but international use allowed the use of a SIM card with an open slot. blah,

So any experts want to shed light on the differences between GSM and CDMA (and EVDO) and why we can't hack the iPhone for Sprint, which has been unlocked for use with any GSM carrier? You can get as technical as you want, I've got the brain for it...but that doesn't mean I won't ask questions! thanks a lot guys

Cheers,
Justin


The best answer to your questing is an analogy: It is like the difference between speaking English and speaking German (just a random language selected :rolleyes: ). GSM and CDMA are different technologies or Languages. So they may run on the same frequencies and do similar things, but are not compatible with each other.

GSM phones (AT&T, T-Mo, Vodafone, etc) use SIM cards while CDMA (Sprint, Verizon) primarily do not (some do though). Verizon is selling a BlackBerry "Curve" that is marketed as a World phone. This is the exception to most rules. It is a CDMA phone that has a seperate GSM radio (phone) inside to work on the European/Asian GSM networks.

EVDO is the high speed data portion of the CDMA network (in simle terms), while UMTS/HSDPA (also known as 3G) is the high speed data portion of the GSM network. Equally as confusing is that UMTS is technically called WCDMA or wide-band code division multiple access.

This is a little off topic for the iPhone however, considering it has GSM voice and GPRS(slow)/Edge(not as slow) data technology and there will never be any "hack" to make it work on a voice CDMA network. I do predict there will be a 3G version of the iPhone by the end of 07. Still not compatible with Sprint or Verizon, but this will give the iPhone MUCH more speed when using the cellular 3g network than the current GPRS/Edge data.

[liquidsilver]

C'mon, are you jealous of all the mac users who have a virus-free environment, a crash-resistant OS, a better and easier usable System AND everything wrapped into a beautyful design?

There's no reason to blame Apple for being successful..

I'll agree it's beautiful and crashes less often but virus free and crash-resistant? lol I guess marketing does work.

[xxza]

will get my iphone today and unlock it tonight. :)

[dreod]

I would rather say it is the best since the choice on Phone PDA OS are limited now, and people would rather choose the "safe platform" on which they can share with many others.

I think Palm OS was the best PDA OS, lean, small, fast, functional, usable. Unfortunately they had missed the critical milestone on PDA -> PDA Phone evolution, they miss the convergence idea, and have to gave their position in the market to Micro$oft. As desperate as they were, that they have released Palm Treo using Windows Mobile as the OS :eek:

As for the sake of our own interest as customer, I really expect some competition in PDA Phone OS. Even when I think iPhone as a marketing gimmick, I still have to thank Apple for "heating up" the arena.

If only Palm could eventualy found a breakthrough and added the pressure, I as a customer, would be very glad.

Full dependability on Micro$oft product is dangerous. Since their proven personality trait is when they enter something they want to take it all. Bill Gates will never satisfied until all the money in the world is HIS.

As in PC, the next thing we will see is a Lawsuit on Monopoly Practice when they incorporate every little software into their OS core in effort to get rid of every other small software house which have given us so many better alternatives.

You already see MSN Messenger, Internet Explorer and Windows Live don't you? Can't you see the pattern?

I hope you know that ca. 20- 30% from Apple Bill Gates(privat, not microsoft) belongs

[hkbladelawhk]

only thing I don't like is: Overpriced...Made by Apple...

[aboutthemind]

cdma is faster the fastest hspda is back to cdma the reason for sim cards was for global acknowledgment's and greed detachable esn but cons tad bit slower hspda runs on cdma network and gsm phones will work on sprint not because of nextel just cause..

verizon settings look like this

(MID)@vzw3g.com


so the whole concept of gsm cdma being non universal is BS


Fact is verizon owns all cell sites in CA rumor has it 50 % of the US so if thats the case then why don't they use gsm cause it would make them lose that ever so popular 99.9% sla speech when the quarterly shareholders get together.

hope this helps i listed all the settings some where around networking

ciao sorry to but in

[blueprince]

Guys any unlocking tool for iPHONE that reallly works tnx in advance

[me]

I only see one advantage to Iphone---8GB internal storage!

If WM phones are going to compete with Iphone, they better increase the amount of internal RAM, to 8GB or more!

[Mr.Clark]

I only see one advantage to Iphone---8GB internal storage!

If WM phones are going to compete with Iphone, they better increase the amount of internal RAM, to 8GB or more!

Except: most of that storage on the iPhone is used for music and/or films.

Windows mobile devices have some form of easily-accessable (and hence swappable) memory card, be it SD/MMC, miniSD, MicroSD, SDHC etc. etc.

So technically, (as long as you duplicate installed apps over all your cards so that they work whichever one you use), you can have a card full of music, another card full of films and yet another card with different TomTom maps on.

You can swap these cards around as you like, and that's much cheaper for the user than having internal flash memory.

[nadimukani]

Can somebody please post the 32 x 32 icon of the new updated calculator for me pls

[generalriden]

Im planning to buy...but is it really worth to buy an IPHONE...pm me is u can also. need ur advice guys.

[mcculleyandJen]

Does anyone knows where can i find and iPhone theme or interface with iCons for my new WM6 Tilt?

Thanks

Jen :)

[generalriden]

Does anyone knows where can i find and iPhone theme or interface with iCons for my new WM6 Tilt?

Thanks

Jen :)

http://www.everythingiphone.com/forum/
http://www.everythingiphone.com/forum/iphone-wallpapers/

best themes
http://www.hacktheiphone.com/73/iphone_multimedia.html


go on this forum..a lot of stuff not only themes

[vitali77]

Does anyone know if Safari on iPhone is going to support FLASH plugin in next version.

Thanks,
Vitali Malinouski

[generalriden]

Does anyone know if Safari on iPhone is going to support FLASH plugin in next version.

Thanks,
Vitali Malinouski

only apple knows that

[james.white]

Hi guys, I’m planning to buy a gift this coming Thanksgiving Day since it’s my girl’s birthday but I don’t know what will be the best gift to buy since my girl had an Iphone already. I’m planning to buy a stilletto100 (http://www.sirius.com/promo) a satellite radio since my girl loves music. I heard that it’s a commercial- free music then, do you guys have an idea about that?

[Grumps]

Does anyone knows where can i find and iPhone theme or interface with iCons for my new WM6 Tilt?

Thanks

Jen :)

try http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1710253#post1710253

[yyaayy]

Windows Mobile 5 Already Does What the iPhone Does

[rockky]

After having tons of fun for years hacking my tytn and now my tilt to death on this site, I also purchased the Iphone just for kicks a few months ago....(and have IT hacked to death).....
The result..to my shock...I began using the Iphone more and more....the Tilt less and less....and have basically adopted the Iphone by default.
Functional elegance sometimes can't be beat.
Not suggesting 3G compares to edge in absolute terms, but....(the processor along with the page rendering characteristics of the Iphone (on edge) actually produce real world surfing speeds that are relatively close to that of the tilt...done tons of size-by-side comparisons)

[CWKJ]

As we know iPhone is only launch in the US first.

And it seems Creativity and Innovativity is the sole right of only Apple, or so maybe that is what Apple thinks.

Some (quite creative and innovative) entreprenuer here did a parallel import, but stupid enough to so call "HACKED" the SIM Lock for ATT and they got warning for selling HACKED iPhone and will get fine SGD1000 for each iPhone sold. They could easily just sell the unhacked product and users can find hack somewhere, somehow. But again, knowing Apple, they will again warn the sellers that it is illegal to sell products that are not launch here. Who to blame, Apple is the one to be blame for being without the capability (most likely technical) to do a parallel launch of product world wide.

By having SIM Lock, it is in fact an Anti-Competition behaviour by service providers and is in fact another form of Protectionism and it inhibits creative and innovative competition strategy among service providers.

So who says that it is customers' first in business, it should be Business Bottom Line First in business.

Also some interesting development that some enterprise solution will be added into iPhone by some Software Giants despite some flaws in iPhone. Flaws include unable to push emails and obviously M$ & RIM maybe needed on this situation.

[P996]

After having tons of fun for years hacking my tytn and now my tilt to death on this site, I also purchased the Iphone just for kicks a few months ago....(and have IT hacked to death).....
The result..to my shock...I began using the Iphone more and more....the Tilt less and less....and have basically adopted the Iphone by default.
Functional elegance sometimes can't be beat.
Not suggesting 3G compares to edge in absolute terms, but....(the processor along with the page rendering characteristics of the Iphone (on edge) actually produce real world surfing speeds that are relatively close to that of the tilt...done tons of size-by-side comparisons)

You'd be surprised how many people I know went through the same experience. The iPhone lacks 3G, it lacks a A2DP profile, it lacks a decent camera (still...it takes decent pictures for a 2 MP cam without autofocus and it is better for "fast" shots than my TyTN II 3 MP autofocus camera) but since I own it, I almost never looked back and left my TyTN II and my Nokia E90 in my office' drawer.

The iPhone is an incredible device, mostly because of the ingenius OS, GUI and touchscreen operation. The display is also great.

Whenever I use my TyTN II again (business purposes), I get shocked how bad the display quality is and how sluggish the OS works compared to the "instant" reaction of the iPhone OS.

That said, I think that HTC and especially Microsoft have to go back to the drawing (developping) table because if Apple gets it right next time with a iPhone with UMTS/HSDPA, a better camer with video recording capability and a A2DP profile, there won't be much cell phones on this planet to be able to keep up with it. The new HTC Touch Dual is a very nice gadget but unfortunately the display sucks and the sluggish OS operation is something I would not like to experience anymore on ANY cell phone I'm using.

Surprisingly, the Safari browser on the iPhone works pretty fast with EDGE, there are not many situations when I miss having 3G.
Apple did an incredible job considering the fact that this is the first cell phone they developped by their own, so I just hope that companies with more experience in this business like HTC, Microsoft or even Nokia come up with something equal or better any time soon because if Apple succeeds in adapting current cell phone technology to the already advanced OS/GUI/touch operation, the other cell phone/OS manufacturers will be in big trouble.

[juiceppc]

Anyone get WinMo running on the iPhone hardware?

[Turelio]

iPhone = iPod + GSM :D

[juiceppc]

iPhone = iPod + GSM :D

Of course it is. It ain't a "smartphone". No proper smartphone would have that kind of crappy calendar.

I think we beat up on WinMo and HTC a lot for not giving us everything(as well we should :)) but at least we get the "important" stuff done right. Like Calendar and email. Sure blackberry does that well too but that's where it stops. At least WinMo does try to do everything. It may stumble, but at least it tries. The iPhone gives a great multimedia experience but it doesn't even try to give a good PIM experience...

Hence, "It ain't a smartphone". it's a pertyphone.

[Bram87]

I get my iphone in about 2 weeks!!! Cant wait..

together with my tytn 2 its the great combination

[P996]

Of course it is. It ain't a "smartphone". No proper smartphone would have that kind of crappy calendar.

I think we beat up on WinMo and HTC a lot for not giving us everything(as well we should :)) but at least we get the "important" stuff done right. Like Calendar and email. Sure blackberry does that well too but that's where it stops. At least WinMo does try to do everything. It may stumble, but at least it tries. The iPhone gives a great multimedia experience but it doesn't even try to give a good PIM experience...

Hence, "It ain't a smartphone". it's a pertyphone.


There are already TONS of third party apps available for the iPhone, some of them extend the functionality to a point almost unbelievable (Photo Browser and TuneWiki are only two ingenius examples).
People seem to forget that the iPhone is Apple phone No.1. Look back in time and remember the first HP Pocket PC Phone (this was MY first WM phone) and it is a difference like day and night.
I don't say Apple got it 100% right the first time but the GUI/OS/touch operation are already so good on the iPhone, the steps to improve applications and to introduce third party apps (with the new SDK soon to come!) isn't THAT big.
HTC has a great potential and so does WM, especially since WM5/6. Symbian concentrated too much on the multimedia functions and I don't like using it. I also own a Nokia E90 and a Nokia 95/95 8GB and whenever I'm powering up one of these babies again, it is like looking at some children playing software engineers. The icons are too kiddie-like, the whole Symbian S60 3rd software operation experience reminds me of kids playing with a colourful learning computer, it just doesn't have a professional touch.
Windows Mobile is much better in this domain but still, I get the feeling that Microsoft doesn't realize what Apple put on the market with the iPhone. It is not about the crappy GSM hardware without UMTS/HSDPA or the crappy camera without video function. The iPhone is the 21st (compared to the other phones on the market more likely 22st) century cell phone regarding the GUI/OS/touch operation and to add some hardware functions (3G, better camera, GPS) and software apps is almost a piece of cake now.
If Apple gets it right with the iPhone 2 (or more likely 3), manufacturers like HTC, Nokia but also Software companies like MS or Symbian will be in trouble. Whowever used the iPhone and didn't just play a couple of minutes with it knows what I'm talking about.

For Microsoft, there should be three priorities in WM development right now:
1. getting rid of the "sluggishness" of WM operation (which probably requires a completely new programming from scratch and I wouldn't mind if MS would use Unix/Linux based code to get it right)
2. forcing hardware manufacturers to make use of the VGA resolution capability because whenever I look at my TyTN II's display, I have the feeling of being thrown back in time a couple of years.
3. better support for exotic hardware and CPU/GPU combos

For HTC, there should be four priorities in hardware development:
1. better and larger displays with VGA resolution (at least)
2. better battery life and energy management
3. faster CPU/GPU combos with somehow lower power consumption
4. iPhone-like touch display operation

Yes, owning an iPhone and a HTC TyTN II may be the perfect combo (I still think that owning an iPhone, a HTC TyTN II and a Nokia N95 8GB is the perfect combo because the Nokia has a superb camera with superb photo/video capabilities) but the problem is that as soon as someone gets used to the iPhone, looking at the HTC/Nokia display and operation throws you back into the stoneage. This is actually my biggest problem and this is why I'm using the iPhone most of the time and other two ONLY if I really need some special functions (HTC for business and Nokia for family vacations).

Don't get me wrong: I'm a very open minded person regarding computers and gadgets, I still prefer Windows Vista on my laptops (mostly current hardware and 2GB RAM) and I had more problems with OSX Leopard in the past two weeks on my daugthers iMac than I EVER had with Windows over the past 10 years. However, if Apple puts an iPhone with UMTS/HSDPA, A2DP profile, a decent 5 MP camera and improved business usability on the market, it will be very difficult for me to go for another product in the future. HTC and Microsoft have a GREAT potential at their hands, I just get the feeling that they sometimes forget to look a little bit closer at the competition.
Which also reminds me of the crappy design of the current HTC devices, HTC clearly needs a better exterior shell designer because the HTC TyTN II for example looks like a WM device from 5 years ago.

[P996]

Anyone get WinMo running on the iPhone hardware?


Now THIS really makes sense.
WM has a sluggish operation even on WM optimized hardware, how would it work with the iPhone hardware? It doesn't take a genius to predict a complete catastrophy. ;)

[Taninpv]

I only see one advantage to Iphone---8GB internal storage!

If WM phones are going to compete with Iphone, they better increase the amount of internal RAM, to 8GB or more!

huh? but you can't replace the battery, can't change the 8gb like sdhc card...I will take HTC Touch anytime!

[gasman858]

Sorry about the tangentiality -
For those of you on the ATT network, I have a question - I have a Tilt, my colleague an iPhone. In one location we can be sitting in the same room where we both get voice signal (for some reason mine shows roaming - possibly because of T-Mobile repeaters in building), iPhone gets EDGE/data and can download on safari, I get no data at all even though I have E icon for signal - my primary Tilt conn is MEdianet, but i've tried isp.cingular, wap.cingular with no luck - any ideas? I get 3g & Edge elsewhere without problems.
Tried to review edge settings on his iPhone, but not familiar with it enough to find them, or they're not available...
Thanks in advance.

[jadephyre]

i still don't know what all the fuzz is about this damn phone... what good is a Phone that you have to HACK to get any kind of useful Programs for ?
Granted, i hacked my Himalaya too to get more out of it, but for a fairly recent Phone this is madness.
Of course it wins design-wise, but when you don't jailbreak it, it just looks pretty.
399 Dollars for something that is restricted to ONE provider (even when you buy it from the store) and that can only install Software from Apple when not jailbroken.

The iPhone to me is a Toy, Windows Mobile Devices are Workhorses.

[cushcalc]

Just one other thought/opinion:

Why is Apple so arrogant and/or obtuse that they must put the Green Send and Red End keys in reversed position to what every other manufacturere does?

It's kind of like the old Triumph's and BSA's vs. the rest of the motorcycle world.

This is not a feature - IMHO it is just arrogance/stubborness in effort to be different.

[huffpost]

My few thoughts about this iPhone.

1. Lack of exchangable battery - bad,
2. GSM/GPRS/EDGE/Quad-band - OK, but lacks UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA is major dissapointment,
3. Wi-Fi b/g - nice, but b/g is nowadays standard, not big deal,
4. No 3rd party software - bad, really bad,
5. Battery life - nothing, zero, nada. Why they did not tell what is expected standby time? Because it sux and with 3G you would have to go all the time with power cord,
6. Graphics - Nice, very nice - Apple always was king in graphics,
7. Design - I do not like it, but this is personal agenda,
8. Data usage - Jobs was making fun of BB, but BB is king of data compression, even for havy users 20 MB is plenty, I guess that unlimited data plan will be needed for users of iPhone,
9. Sensors - stupid idea, if I will move my hand screen will go crazy. Only good idea is screen off when by ear side, but this was not their idea. First was Ericsson R520m with ear sensor - when phone was not by ear speaker phone was on, thou nice idea users hated it,
10. Contacs - if I am PC user I should switch to what? iContacts? I am predicting a lot of problems with sync with Outlook.

OK, I am heavy PC user. I am not in graphics or publishing - thou I do not need Mac. I use IBM laptop because it was design to work in many places with no problems, additional programs to configure different network accesses ie. Work, Home, Airport Lounges, Starbucks, Other Networks - different credentials, security certs etc. It HAS to work, I do not care if it is black and square, not rounded. Same I demand from phone. Has to work all the time, if I use up battery I always have spare. Using only mail and sync with exchange I have data usage of 50-100 MB per month. So I guess that this phone will have more then that. So monthly it will be far more then 100USD, and Jobs is talking about saving money?

What I would like to get from Apple is iTunes for WindowsMobile with full Apple DRM to listen and watch stuff I bought from them. But with iPhone it won't happen. AFAIR revenue ratio iPod to iTunes is 1 to 8. They make 8 times more money on iTunes. Give me that not product which is not good for me.


This is my thinking for what it is worth. I have been a long time Palm user. When palm launched a Windows Mobile Phone I was ecstatic to say the least. It synced with outlook, had internet explorer (although I used Opera Mobile) and had the look and feel of my pc. The world was well, until last week when I dropped my Treo 750 and broke it. I was going to go with the Tilt (aka HTC Tytn II) a great phone with a great feature set and a better price. However upon discovering that the Iphone was still making money on Ebay because the hype has not fully worn off yet I decided to get one and then sell it to defray my cost on the Tilt. I took it home and unwrapped and turned it on and was hooked for life. It is light years ahead of the Tilt in terms of GUI and usability. There are some kinks to work out of course however I can say with confidence that I will never go back to WM and Steve Jobs for all his faults has gained a lifetime customer. The interface alone is worth it not to mention the memory and ease of use. To address the concerns above the Iphone Unlimeted data plan is only $20.00 a month as compared to WM plans that begin at $30.00 a month. As for the Ipod it could not be better. As for the internet the connection on edge just simply loads faster than anything I have seen on 3g on my old treo using Opera and IE mobile. I have tested the speed and it is standard and comprable to WM however the compresion simply has to be better since pages load 5x faster on average for me. Well there ya go my two cents.

[huffpost]

i still don't know what all the fuzz is about this damn phone... what good is a Phone that you have to HACK to get any kind of useful Programs for ?
Granted, i hacked my Himalaya too to get more out of it, but for a fairly recent Phone this is madness.
Of course it wins design-wise, but when you don't jailbreak it, it just looks pretty.
399 Dollars for something that is restricted to ONE provider (even when you buy it from the store) and that can only install Software from Apple when not jailbroken.

The iPhone to me is a Toy, Windows Mobile Devices are Workhorses.

Well considering that Apple has paid to have a bunch of web developers bring ineternet based applications to the Iphone so that you don't have to purchase them I would say that is pretty darn great.

[Curare]

Question to the iphone owners. I was playing around with an iphone at an apple store last night and it seemed to be laggy. When I try opening settings after getting out of safari, took it a couple of second before it opened settings. I expected it to be more instantaneous with the processor it has. Now, I understand it may just be a case of everyone playing around the demo iphones, so every little program on the screen was opened and running in RAM. So how do you guys clear memory? With WinMo, you can completely close a program instead of keeping it running and reclaim some RAM, but that doesn't seem to be the case with the iphone. The iphone doesn't have a memory manager. Seems WinMo takes a lot of heat for crashing a lot and phones need to be restarted, but seems iphones may run into a similar problem. Just wondering.

[Sigiel]

to answers the question above how the iphone handle memory, when you are in a an application if you press the home button shortly you just quit the application and it's is still running, but when you press it longer it closed completely very nifty! but hard to see if done properly!

So now about it

I started in the vast world of pda with a sony erricson p900i, I was very happy with it, easy to use, good connection, large screen, the wheel was a fantastic idea! then I broke the screen, I was heart broken, but having used the touch screen it's rather difficult to go back to a normal phone,

so I came to the XDA IIi (or alpine) that was great! so much more you could do with it, I still missed the P900i because of the wheel, but other than that I could see the serious advantage of the xda... especially with the 02 hack that gave you free GPRS data on Port 80...

then when the Magician was out, I tried it, I positively loved it, small, compact and almost as powerful as the XDA III, and with a winamp skin, I put to shame other friends brand new IPOD!

then i try the universal, great stuff, but a bit heavy and bulky, very nice keyboard ultra fast, but then 02 patched the port 80 and no more free data, a bad think about the universal is that the screen is vga, and too little software use it, even to skin it it's the pain....

anyway I did go back to France use my magician cause it was the best of all, and I could still put to shame anything else with, then I broke it!

in my sorrow I tried the LG viewty, i so loved it, i missed the full PDA thing, but the IU was correct, and the camera was just the best!

and I lost it! I have to tell you that all this time was laughing about the IPOD and Ipone, cause I knew I could do the same with hack and customisations on my numerous pda!

but then I needed for my work cheap data service, and the only one that does that was orange with the iphone and unlimited data, so I took it,

and MY conclusion is

Iphone beat the crap out of any pda I ever own,

why ? cause of it's Instinctive IU, it's really expensive, it's not the best hardware top notch technologies (well sort of) but it smooth, fast, easy and without bug!

I did try to make my xda's look and perform like the iphone, it's not even close!
and the visual vocal messagery give the last blow,

I just wonder when the iphone 2 will be released...

I still love pda, do not get me wrong, but what apple sell on the iphone is the IU and it's easiness, and in this ...nothing compare.

I will respect opinion based on actual use of the iphone, not because someone read the spec and desided that a pda is better because it have this and this.

what the iphone does, it does it good, very good,
best of all : surfing the web, getting email.

ten sending sms (i never ever used MMS) and a phone! and an ipod. it just a great product, a XDA can do all of it yes!, better maybe?, faster no! easier definetly not!,

and before I get my head chopped off, the only thing I see very bad in the iphone is the battery not removable, and the bluetooth! even the lack of 3G isn't an issue, I use it and edge is really fast! and soon there would be 3G and stereo bluetooth!

and now that the sdk is out even 3rd party apps isn't an issus!

I hope that hdc work on something that beat the crap out of it, I will be the fist to get it,
but at this moment in time there is nothing that even scratch the surface,

and just you know I used the hdc touch, and it is good, but so slow and slugish! and still WM6 (absolutely not user friendly)

well that my view on the iphone, but i will make an exception of the magician, cause I just loved that little bastard!

[hhda2004]

I think that iPhone is much more concerned about having more imaginable entertainment faciliity. The screen resolution is outstanding, Wifi gives a very strong signal and the touch screen is maybe 10 times mre powerful than HTC screens.

But still, I prefer to have my HTC touch Cruise because there are plenty of creations and innovations. Windows mobile (7) is launching soon. At that time,who konws?, it could beat the iPhone.

Consider thinking!!

[Lokioki]

I think that iPhone is much more concerned about having more imaginable entertainment faciliity. The screen resolution is outstanding, Wifi gives a very strong signal and the touch screen is maybe 10 times mre powerful than HTC screens.

But still, I prefer to have my HTC touch Cruise because there are plenty of creations and innovations. Windows mobile (7) is launching soon. At that time,who konws?, it could beat the iPhone.

Consider thinking!!

iLoL, wvga anyone ?
But touch screen is amazing accurate in it, I always hitted where I wanted with my thumb, even when I`m using Safari. It is just that great :3 I wish my Kaiser would have been as good as iPhones touch-screen technology.

[xdaorbit]

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/10/13/windows-mobile-ported-to-iphone-we-think/

Is this true!!!

[woox_4_u]

i need your help to unlock my iphone 2G 1.1.2 .. please !!!
thanks all !

[naveen]

i need your help to unlock my iphone 2G 1.1.2 .. please !!!
thanks all !

great first post!:(

[orb3000]

great first post!:(

Also great welcome for a first post member:(

[Menneisyys]

i need your help to unlock my iphone 2G 1.1.2 .. please !!!
thanks all !

http://blog.iphone-dev.org/

[gmanfuzing]

Also great welcome for a first post member:(

great reply to the first reply for a first post :]

[sambo121]

>>> i have being given an iphone by my dad, and its locked to o2. Can you help me unlock it to all sims . . . :(

Thanks,

[orelsi]

>>> i have being given an iphone by my dad, and its locked to o2. Can you help me unlock it to all sims . . . :(

Thanks,

Throw that garbage away and buy a proper modern device.

[why_999]

Throw that garbage away and buy a proper modern device.

Very helpful :p

But everyone got to agree that Apple is the main reason Microsoft got off their fat ass and started to improve their OS, and manufactures started more user friendly UI.

[TheBrit]

>>> i have being given an iphone by my dad, and its locked to o2. Can you help me unlock it to all sims . . . :(

Thanks,

Try an iPhone forum. :rolleyes: