Apple iPhone

[_Nomad_]

Just wanted to show what apple just presented. Looks kinda cool :-)
Hopefully a worthy adversary to wm5
More info macfeber.se (swedish site)

[edit: guys I'm going to temporarily sticky this. Please don't open new threads. V]

[27]

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=233

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/live-from-macworld-2007-steve-jobs-keynote/

[vijay555]

My God. Time to change my nappy.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/01/dsc_0199.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/01/dsc_0196.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/01/dsc_0194.jpg

We're shipping them in June -- we're announcing it today because we have to go get FCC approval... we thought it'd be better to introduce this today rather than let the FCC introduce this.
Europe in the 4th quarter of this year, Asia in 2008.

Man, suddenly my Hermes looks like poo :(

V

[_Nomad_]

Have to wait to Q4 in Europe... So I guess it'll hit shelves next year at about this time:o

[cyberdrakula]

http://www.milkandcookies.com/links/46492/

[bobbyelliott]

Steve Jobs has announced the iPhone (http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/).

And the Apple fan boys have started already (http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/57625).

I would imagine that phone manufacturers like HTC will be relieved by the spec since they would have feared a truly innovative product.

As it stands, the iPhone is a poor relation to the TyTN. :)

[KTamas]

just.......fracking......sweet.....must....stop... .droooling.....

[joe_dude]

Holy freak, that's one sweet design.

HTC better start thinking and not just add a new feature once a year!

[tonyb15re]

having just seen this on CNN News (thats all the bloody Germin hotel has in English) I have to say im not overly impressed. the screen looks good, the browser capability is excellent but apart from that theres nothing there that the TyTn cant do, in fact there was no mention of 3G and Video Phone. So what if itll have a decent music player, my SEW850i has a good MP3 player, its a good phone, it has 3G and Vid, browsers crap but hey if you want to look at web stuff use a PC ;)

[_Nomad_]

Take a look at the videos at apple.com (http://www.apple.com/iphone/phone/) looks awsome... I want one NOW!:D

[joe_dude]

Some thoughts... I can't see how it would work for a non-alphabetic language. Hand-writing recognition is easier with a stylus, IMHO.

It seems more like a cool toy. Lots of cool functionality, but limited in its Apple way as usual.

But at least give something for HTC to shoot for. :cool:

[hanmin]

darn.. the phone looks very much similar to Windows based type, but much more fancier. With the multi-touch screen that allows you to zoom in by 'spreading' two fingers.. and how the screen change in a scrolling style.. just makes is much.. 'adorable'. And, as with the Apple's history, I think it will have all the stuff that is necessary .. such that there won't be any need for iphone-developers.com :D Again, since i'm on a low budget, it is out of my reach anyway.. good to have cheap and affortable WM version. Hope the Crossbow will do better.. and . . well, at least give us some eye candy?

[MaxiKing]

... cause I have seen the future.

http://www.apple.com/iphone/

Sorry. But we are using real "crap" right now!

Maxi

[st3v3]

damn thats some nice hardware ... if that thing didnt have apple "software" on it id prolly look at getting one. yahoo news was saying a retail price of $500 US for the 4 gig version ?

id miss my warez too much :D

[TheBrit]

Now that DOES look nice.

I'm watching BBC News 24 right now and they say that they have a feature about it coming up soon.

It has some nice innovative features but Apple don't seem to be saying too much about the hardware architecture - more specifically the CPU.

[raven2000]

My God. Time to change my nappy...Man, suddenly my Hermes looks like poo :(
V

vijay555, unless Apple provides *NATIVE* SDK I won't consider this phone as it means there is no possibility for interesting 3rd party applications (Tomtom is the first that comes to my mind) and I can't create applications.

Widgets are not the same thing as they do not have access to full system resources like Windows Mobile native and to an extent Compact Framework based applications.

Without native SDK this is not a true smartphone but more like Blackberry or a fancy high end phone.

[TheBrit]

It's on BBC News 24 right now...look VERY nice.

IPod - check
Pocket Computer - check
Cell Phone - check
Blackberry? Oh bugger! Well it's what the clueless jouralist said - I do hope he's wrong. Maybe he just mean blackberry-like features.

[vijay555]

Raven - I'm inclined to agree with you re the SDK. Note, my comment re "defecating on my microphone" is based solely on it's cosmetic appearance.

No one can deny, it's a beautiful piece of engineering. Frankly, I'll probably buy one just to put it down my pants (underwear for those of the US persuasion).

No Windows Mobile manufacturer has come close to achieving the asthetic beauty of Apple engineering (well, except for the black diamond (http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/340/C9477/), but that's 600 times more expensive).

I have no doubt the interface work will also be topnotch.

This is not to put down current WinMob hardware. Well, actually it is. Apple has buying power and engineers. I love HTC's manufacturing quality, but Apple is lightyears ahead of the game (well, 5 years according to Steve) in terms of execution. I love my Hermes, but the iPhone looks great.

Whether those of us who rub their hands together at the prospect of modding and enhancing will get much out of it is yet to be seen. I've said before, I buy WinMob because I can program and enhance it. Even with second class hardware, that would still be my first consideration.

However. We are not Apple's market. Apple's market is average buyers who want to switch their bluetooth on and it work. No A2DP, no stutters, no "set as wireless stereo". Switch it on, music comes out of the things on your ears. Those guys will love it. I love it.

However, I have some ideas about bringing some of the goodness home to our phones :)

V

[TheBrit]

Here's a BBC News web site article...http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6245991.stm

[markgamber]

I can't possibly imagine Apple releasing a phone based on OS X, going up against Windows and NOT having at least as full an SDK as WM5. I also can't imagine it'll work as swell as it looks. We're on what generation of WM devices and they're just now starting to get reliable and intuitive.

Time will tell!

But yeah, the kid side of me is more than happy to shell out $600 tomorrow. It's that learning how to write for a new OS that kind of sticks in my throat. ;)

[st3v3]

I can't possibly imagine Apple releasing a phone based on OS X, going up against Windows and NOT having at least as full an SDK as WM5. I also can't imagine it'll work as swell as it looks. We're on what generation of WM devices and they're just now starting to get reliable and intuitive.

Time will tell!

But yeah, the kid side of me is more than happy to shell out $600 tomorrow. It's that learning how to write for a new OS that kind of sticks in my throat. ;)

thats a good point, considering Apple would be getting some fallout from Zune (dont laugh im sure someone got one) they would have to have some sort of windows support to lure the windows world.

i still hope HTC sits up and follows it up with something flashy.

[SecureGSM]

http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/sensors.html

this is .. amazing.. period.

P.S. specs:

http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/specs.html

[dam]

hello,
I found that on the internet about the iphone :
the good : http://apcstart.com/4963/ten_things_to_love_about_the_new_iphone
the bad (at least he tried): http://apcstart.com/4965/top_10_things_to_hate_about_the_iphone

and my own bad point : no stylus...
(out of the fact that you might need clean hands)
I live in an asian country. Chinese characters are quite a challenge and it is very helpful to write them on the screen of your device and to find the meaning (and the reading) in the dictionary immediatly. That is thanks to the stylus. I wonder how you can do that with your finger ...:rolleyes:

revolution would leave some (not so many that is true) behind...:(

[levenum]

Great. Now I'll have to learn programming for the OS X when comes the time to retire my Jamin...:D :eek: :D
Oh man...
But seriously this is their first model - if this continues we might see a phone with similar design quality but all the current feature - 3G, GPS, etc with in a year or two.
And if they make it as accessible to 'armature developers' as WM is (or better with properly documented API)...
Well, one can always dream...

[Rudegar]

looks nice too bad it will most likely have 2 mayor drawbacks imho
1 well prob not play other audio and video then apple ones
2 less of an application base

[sbsshadow]

Hi

Does anybody know when or if it will be available in the UK ?

I know it says Europe in Q4 ... but does that mean UK ?

We are always last and have the worst choices .... LOL

Thanks

Steve

[leaskovski]

Hi

Does anybody know when or if it will be available in the UK ?

I know it says Europe in Q4 ... but does that mean UK ?

We are always last and have the worst choices .... LOL

Thanks

Steve

4th quarter! lol, that will be old hat by then! Just have to wait 1 quarter then till the HTC devices will start shipping with built in projectors! lol

[vijay555]

I wonder - if it's running OS X or another rounded OS for third party apps (which I'm sure they will want to support for revenue, signing $$, branding $$ etc), then porting something like VNC for non-DRM videos etc should be possible. So third party apps == api == iphone-develops :)

V

[hanmin]

Just notice something.. they didn't mentioned much about their PIM, huh?

Anyway, as for 3rd party software, I'm not sure which one is better. WM5 have crap native software, that people have to write software for it (but easily written) OR iPhone with great native software that people don't really need much 3rd party software.

[Menneisyys]

My quick report:

It’s widely known Apple has started the entire PDA business (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messagepad), long before Palm or Microsoft. My original Newton MessagePad, their first PDA released back in 1993 (and, unfortunately, discontinued in 1998), is still working great.

MessagePad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messagepad)s were really revolutionary at the time and their only problem was character recognition: the hardware / input recognition couldn't be sufficient enough back then to flawlessly support this. (No wonder Microsoft was trying hard to avoid any kind of input recognition at first; this is why the first WindowsCE (1.0)-based devices, back in 1997, all had built-in keyboards and it was only in 1998 that, with the introduction of Palm size PC's, they have introduced character recognition and pen-based character input.)

Now, it seems, Apple has something equally revolutionary and unmatched.

http://images.apple.com/iphone/images/techhero_specs20070109.jpg

The entire Windows Mobile / (mobile) Linux / Symbian scene is eagerly awaiting new info / prototypes of Apple's new device, the iPhone, slated later (June) this year. It looks VERY promising and puts most current smart phones, both Microsoft Windows Mobile/Smartphone, Symbian- and Linux-based, into shame in a lot of respects. For example, it's said to run OS X - that is, a full Linux environment, and not just a dumbed-down one. The latter isn't new for Sharp Zaurus or Nokia Internet Tablet 770 / 800 users; the inclusion of the OS in a phone sold not only in Japan (currently, it's only Japan that Linux-based phones are sold; the Sharp Zaurus devices also available in English and through other channels don't have a built-in phone and neither do Nokia's two Internet Tablet models) is a real breakthrough, though.

Make sure you check out the specifications (http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/specs.html) of iPhone.

The specs are pretty cool, particularly screen resolution, thickness and size-wise. It's probably only the lack of HSDPA or even UMTS that seems to be a bit problematic (the phone only supports the "slow" EDGE).

I'll keep you posted on the new device as soon as new info is published. I'll also keep linking in worthy threads of discussion. Start with the XDA-Developers thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=289272); here's the AximSite (http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showthread.php?t=145425) one; at HowardForums, there're several of them: 1 (http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1085153), 2 (http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1084850), 3 (http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1084563), 4 (http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1084535), 5 (http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1084329) etc. Make sure you enter the word "iPhone" here (http://www.howardforums.com/search.php) to get the list of all threads - it's certainly worth checking them all out!

[Menneisyys]

I wonder - if it's running OS X or another rounded OS for third party apps (which I'm sure they will want to support for revenue, signing $$, branding $$ etc), then porting something like VNC for non-DRM videos etc should be possible. So third party apps == api == iphone-develops :)

V


I don't think it's impossible it'll have the desktop OS - after all, the Sharp Zaurus also has pdaXrom , which is a FULL X Window environment able to run desktop apps (if you have the RAM ;) ); also see for example http://www.users.on.net/~hluc/myZaurus/jumbo/xqtjumbo.html

[Menneisyys]

I know it says Europe in Q4 ... but does that mean UK ?

We are always last and have the worst choices .... LOL


Certainly bad news - we're always forgotten :(

[sbsshadow]

Do we think it will be available here in the UK ?

Steve

[vijay555]

Menneisyys: I very much doubt it will have anything like a full OS X, but I'm quoting from Engadget's report on the keynote speech, "iPhone runs OS X!"

I imagine that's their own hyperbole and not Jobs'.

V

[s4vva]

see you later htc, i love this thing!

[Menneisyys]

Menneisyys: I very much doubt it will have anything like a full OS X, but I'm quoting from Engadget's report on the keynote speech,


We'll see. On my Zaurus, the main problem with a fully-fledged Linux is the available RAM - you can't, for example, open more than a handful of tabs in the Web browser without the 64M RAM being filled in completely. Otherwise, it's running great and the compatibility with desktop apps can't be beaten.

If Apple puts in, say, 256M of RAM (there's no word on the available RAM as yet), then, I think a fully-fledged Linux implementation can be safely run, without any problems.

[paulrockliffe]

Does it not run 4 or 8gigs of RAM, depending on what flavour you've got?

[vijay555]

I imagine the 4/8gb is storage, ie mu$ic etc.

The OS will probably have an indepedent memory setup, not shared memory, and as Menneisyys says hopefully >64mb! There's no reason why not, we'd pay for the performance, and as with all Apple, there's a lot of bells and whistles that are resource heavy.

sbsshadow: it says European release a few months after US (June).

V

[hanmin]

If Apple puts in, say, 256M of RAM (there's no word on the available RAM as yet), then, I think a fully-fledged Linux implementation can be safely run, without any problems.

Is it possible to have 256MB RAM on a portable 'always-on' device. As according to this Microsoft page, (http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa454885.aspx)

The reason why you never saw 256 MB of RAM in a Microsoft Windows Mobile 2003–based Pocket PC is that the device would run for a minute, detect that the battery was critically low, and turn off.

Unless they are going to use Flash memory as RAM, which may heavily decrease the lifespan of the phone itself, considering there is a limit of how many write you can perform on a Flash memory. Or iPhone will have a user replacable Flash-memory-based-RAM.

[Menneisyys]

Does it not run 4 or 8gigs of RAM, depending on what flavour you've got?

That'd be an overkill - 256M RAM should be sufficient to run a full X. (See my Zaurus remarks - I've played with these devices and Linux distros a lot).

[Menneisyys]

Is it possible to have 256MB RAM on a portable 'always-on' device. As according to this Microsoft page, (http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa454885.aspx)

The reason why you never saw 256 MB of RAM in a Microsoft Windows Mobile 2003–based Pocket PC is that the device would run for a minute, detect that the battery was critically low, and turn off.

That's an urban legend now and no longer topical, particularly if you can fully shut down the entire device (as is the case with WM5 or flash-based Linux devices like the Sharp Zaurii) to completely stop RAM refreshing. If you do shut down the device, the additional power consumption of the 256M RAM will only decrease the overall battery life by about, say, 5. If you don't because it's only suspended to listen to incling calls, then, about 30% at most.

I also have a 128M RAM, 1640 mAh device (the PL720); it has stellar battery life, even without any kind of deep suspension. I've even published my battery consumption results somewhere; it was around 5% / a day, the same as the WM5 64M RAM 1100 mAh x51v (the Dell Axims are really hard on batteries and use very cheap (and crappy) components, which can clearly be seen in this respect too) and two times more than the 1800 mAh iPAQ hx4700. 5% a day in suspended mode isn't much at all if you have 128M of RAM (at 1640 mAh).

That is, including 256M RAM in a portable device shouldn't be avoided because of sheer power consumption issues as long as Apple uses non-low-end, non-power-hungry RAM memory - that is, anything any decent, non-low-end current PPC uses.


Unless they are going to use Flash memory as RAM, which may heavily decrease the lifespan of the phone itself, considering there is a limit of how many write you can perform on a Flash memory.

I wouldn't say it's a problem either - all flash memory controllers have an intelligent mapping algorith that maps out already-useless memory cells. That is, current flash memories are virtually indestructible - you'll only see some (slight) caapcity decrease, NOT the entire ROM chip being rendered completely useless. (Of course, flash is still about two times of magnitude slower to write than RAM. That is, its better to avoid putting cache in flash ROM entirely.)

[bigshape]

so who's gonna be first with a new unlock screen app with a finger slide for the hermes? and the dialer + contacts looks pretty sweet too... :D

[Oliy]

We'll see what Crossbow brings, but from what I have seen so far, the iPhone looks like it has roughly the same capabilities as my old Wizard, and without the keyboard which I simply couldn't do without. It's nice an thin, of course, but that's also because it doesn't have a keyboard.

Apart from that, what has it got? A nice GUI. Surely with a little more freedom to customize the WM UI, and a dab hand at Photoshop, we could make our devices look that good.

[Menneisyys]

We'll see what Crossbow brings, but from what I have seen so far, the iPhone looks like it has roughly the same capabilities as my old Wizard, and without the keyboard which I simply couldn't do without. It's nice an thin, of course, but that's also because it doesn't have a keyboard.

Apart from that, what has it got? A nice GUI. Surely with a little more freedom to customize the WM UI, and a dab hand at Photoshop, we could make our devices look that good.

It also has a HVGA screen, as opposed to QVGA. And, if it will indeed have OS X, then, you'll be able to, in most cases, by simply recompiling, standard OS X or even Unix/ Linux apps, as is the case with the pdaXrom-based Zaurii.

[cr2]

you'll be able to, in most cases, by simply recompiling, standard OS X or even Unix/ Linux apps, as is the case with the pdaXrom-based Zaurii.

Unless somebody has hardcoded/assumed the window dimensions and font dpi, a (Linux X11) GUI app does not care about the display size.

[KTamas]

From Engadget Mobile:


And the reality slowly sets in about what the iPhone (http://www.engadget.com/tag/iphone) is and is not. Noted analyst and Engadget pal Michael Gartenberg stated that the iPhone is first party software ONLY -- i.e. not a smartphone by conventional terms, being that a smartphone is a platform device that allows software to be installed. That means hungry power-users -- you know, those people ready and willing to plunk down $600 for an 8GB musicphone -- won't be able to extend the functionality of their phone any more than Apple (but thankfully not Cingular) dictates. Other unfortunate realities about the device:
No 3G. We know you know, but still, it hurts man.
No over the air iTunes Store downloads or WiFi syncing to your host machine.
No expandable memory.
No removable battery.
No Exchange or Office support.:(

Well, if its really OSX... bring it on, *nix guys, you can get a terminal up on it in no time probably :)

[cr2]

Well, if its really OSX... bring it on, *nix guys, you can get a terminal up on it in no time probably :)

If this apple phone uses PXA272 CPU (like magician/alpine/et al.)
the OS firmware can be locked into the builtin CPU flash.
Sometimes one must be very happy that wince security is nonexistent,
and allows to load/run any code :D

[CWKJ]

Launched.

Can be bought in U.S. now?

Anyone bought the phone and try?

[cr2]

Anyone bought the phone and try?

I wish somebody in the US bought it, opened it and posted the motherboard
pictures :D Then we will know which CPU, BT and WIFI chipsets are used.

[KTamas]

The iPhone wont be available till June in the US.

[Rudegar]

you cant run normal macosX applications on it unless it's cpu use the same instructions set as the mac cpu
otherwise they will have to emulate those instructionsset
which will hurt speed a bit

binfiles like exe are hex instructionsset data you cant just run them on a totaly diff cpu

of cause this could also bring up how they handle the whole running the same applications on intel due 2 core and gX series
guess duo 2 core is that much faster they can emulate gX :P

[joe_dude]

I think there'll be a iPhone-developers site up soon. ;) Seriously though, if you thought that the WM phones were a pain to "enhance", the iPhone is gonna be a heck of a lot worse.

Apple wants a "great user experience", not a great hacking experience. To get it to do more than what is officially supported is probably gonna be a real pain. Not that it won't be done (lots of geniuses out there), but I don't want to spend more even *more* time reading/learning/tinkering than I already do with my Prophet. :eek:

But the real show-stopper IMHO is the lack of handwriting support. The stylus makes a PDA in non-alphabet languages (i.e. a large chunk of the world) easy to use. It's the killer app, so-to-speak.

So while the iPhone might be a useful device for most Western countries, it'll be just a cool, trendy toy for the rest of the world IMHO. But I'm sure that will change in the future....

[rgbmode]

It does look cool but honestly I rather stick with my Dash. It has music and I can play movies so does the dash. Google maps have that too. Phone got phone. so other then the cool interface honestly it is nothing new. It is like the equivalent of a WinMobile phone with Media player, Wi-Fi, GSM phone capabilities, Bluetooth and same things we may find just that it is the Apple Mac mobile version with iPod. I heard something bout it having GPS now if that is true then it receives kudos, but if not then it is fairly the same.
Dash: $150.00 after $100.00 rebate
2gb micro-SD: $80.00 after rebates x2 :$160.00 for 4bg of swapable memory.
GPS navigation system for Smartphone: $250.00 Less if you get an after market GPS-receiver that has blue-tooth.
Total price: $550.00

iPhone: I've heard about $499.00 for the 4gb and like $600.00 for the 8gb
So there are some pros and cons.
Good it does have MAC OS X mobile, Mac is known for being secure/safe.
Bad thing Windows has been there so long there are more things for it.
I don't like touch screens if you touch them with oily or dirty hands you may mess the screen up by scratching it or making visibility harder.
I like using the same flash card for my camera, word/pdf/presentations for work, music/movies for my phone, mobile scripture reader for those sundays.
So in my case buying two 2gb micro sd cards sounds better then being stuck with 4gb just for one item.
Dash has an adapter it is sold for HTC s620 to connect a projector to display presentations straight from the phone. So in my case being able to expand my device for multiple functions at my option is best. Having an initial low cost and ability to buy more is better for me then being stuck with items I won't use.
But then again for every nut there is an individualized solution.
If you want to show off, then iPhone since it will be the thing.

[_Nomad_]

According to engadget the iPhone wont be a "pda" as it will only allow first-party software...

Read the full article here (http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-iphone-is-not-a-smartphone/)

[Menneisyys]

According to engadget the iPhone wont be a "pda" as it will only allow first-party software...

Read the full article here (http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-iphone-is-not-a-smartphone/)

Yup, it's only widgets that you can install on it. Very bad news :(

[_Nomad_]

Bad news indeed. They can't be this stupid. Hopefully we'll see a change before release.

[vbJoe]

Very bad news, ok its got a great display and maybe the user interface will keep you playing around with it a little longer than a plain motorola but if you can only install widgets .. its as useful as motorola and nothing more ...

Unless they do release an sdk and do a uturn on the widgets only idea I think this will be a toy for the tarts not for the boys.

[vijay555]

What if you're both a tart and a boy? I'm fully qualified!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/blackadder/epguide/images/two_money.jpg

V

[vbJoe]

What if you're both a tart and a boy? I'm fully qualified!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/blackadder/epguide/images/two_money.jpg

V


lol! same here actually ... I do have a motorola krzr .. and its nice! but still .. it ain't my exec, it answers calls and looks kinda flash my exec does all sorts and if wanted to I could throw something together in visual studio and run it on it.. awesome!

but really what I was getting at is by the looks of things this is not a windows mobile replacement in the slightest, and it would replace my tarty phone not my exec.

[axis77a]

Awsome ! truely great software (eg finger control .... no stylus needed) ...

I wonder if hardware is up to it ...
eg Macro / camera focus ? GPS ? A2dp stereo BT (that works !!) ? ... and hope the hacks to load/unload MP3's still works (as on ipods) avoiding itunes monopoly. PC connectivity ?

[deathMiata]

Although there are many replies saying "I'd rather stick to my [insert name of WM5 device here]...", not everyone exactly fits in that market demographic. If Palm Treo users went on to a WM5 board and said something to the degree of "WM5 blows! Palm has been out for AGES! Go Palm OS or go home!" I don't think it would quite fly.

Steve Jobs main market is the power user who wants to merge their iPod, mobile phone, and a PDA device into one. Here's a great statement about what point they are targetting the phone to:

"Before we get into it, let me talk about a category of things ... the most advanced phones are called smartphones. They typically involve a phone, have plastic little keyboards on them, the problem is they're not so smart and they're not so easy to use. If you make a biz school 101 graph, cellphones are at the bottom... smartphones are a little smarter, but they're harder to use."
- Quoted from the Engaget MacWorld 2007 Keynote speech page (http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/live-from-macworld-2007-steve-jobs-keynote/)

Let's stick to the discussion about the phone itself please.

As far as things go with language recognition for the iPhone in other languages... I would not be surprised for the Asian pictograph languages (Japanese, Chinese, Korean) that you will be able to use your fingers as a stylus and draw out the characters. The Motorola A732 had an interesting concept where the number pad was touch sensitive. This was interesting as you could draw out the characters and the GUI would display a preview before confirming input.

Here's a link about the Motorola A732's touch keypad recognition:
www.motorola.com/content.jsp?globalObjectId=7599

There's another link somewhere with an interview with the linguistics specialist of Motorola, but I can't seem to find it... :(

I would imagine the same concept could be easily applied for those countries. Apple is pretty good about localization, so I don't think there should be any worries or qualms about Asian region countries. :)

[Pawlisko]

My few thoughts about this iPhone.

1. Lack of exchangable battery - bad,
2. GSM/GPRS/EDGE/Quad-band - OK, but lacks UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA is major dissapointment,
3. Wi-Fi b/g - nice, but b/g is nowadays standard, not big deal,
4. No 3rd party software - bad, really bad,
5. Battery life - nothing, zero, nada. Why they did not tell what is expected standby time? Because it sux and with 3G you would have to go all the time with power cord,
6. Graphics - Nice, very nice - Apple always was king in graphics,
7. Design - I do not like it, but this is personal agenda,
8. Data usage - Jobs was making fun of BB, but BB is king of data compression, even for havy users 20 MB is plenty, I guess that unlimited data plan will be needed for users of iPhone,
9. Sensors - stupid idea, if I will move my hand screen will go crazy. Only good idea is screen off when by ear side, but this was not their idea. First was Ericsson R520m with ear sensor - when phone was not by ear speaker phone was on, thou nice idea users hated it,
10. Contacs - if I am PC user I should switch to what? iContacts? I am predicting a lot of problems with sync with Outlook.

OK, I am heavy PC user. I am not in graphics or publishing - thou I do not need Mac. I use IBM laptop because it was design to work in many places with no problems, additional programs to configure different network accesses ie. Work, Home, Airport Lounges, Starbucks, Other Networks - different credentials, security certs etc. It HAS to work, I do not care if it is black and square, not rounded. Same I demand from phone. Has to work all the time, if I use up battery I always have spare. Using only mail and sync with exchange I have data usage of 50-100 MB per month. So I guess that this phone will have more then that. So monthly it will be far more then 100USD, and Jobs is talking about saving money?

What I would like to get from Apple is iTunes for WindowsMobile with full Apple DRM to listen and watch stuff I bought from them. But with iPhone it won't happen. AFAIR revenue ratio iPod to iTunes is 1 to 8. They make 8 times more money on iTunes. Give me that not product which is not good for me.

[Oliy]

I rarely use my stylus these days anyway, a combination of hardware buttons, keyboard, or icons big enough on the screen that a finger will do (i.e. TomTom) means that I will only use the stylus when I am browsing the internet or something (not often). I don't like the idea of it not having hardware buttons, it means you will have to use the screen for everything, and your finger will get in the way of what you are trying to see on the screen. HTC has been adding buttons to their phone - my Wizard had 10 plus a D-pad, while my Hermes has 13 plus a D-pad and a scroll wheel, and it's easier to use.

With flash prices tumbling, 8gb could seem pretty mediocre by the time the iPhone makes it over here, in a year's time at the earliest. An 4gb SD card can be had for under £50 now, and probably about £25-£30 in another 12 months.

HTC seem to be bringing out new phones every 6 months so I'm sure they, or someone, can come up with something as appealing within a year.

However, we can at least be grateful to Apple for raising the bar in user interfaces, because I must admit, it looks sweet.

[vijay555]

And given their work on the Newton, and the what, Billion + potential users they would be excluding, I'm sure the thought of non Western alphabets might have occurred to them. Particularly given where they make their stuff, lol!

V

[joe_dude]

Can't disagree that iPhone should/will have other character input methods, but the stylus is simply the most convenient.

Maybe it's not so bad in other languages, but writing in Chinese with (fat) fingers is less than elegant. Thick brush (i.e. finger) means big strokes/characters, which slows down writing speed and accuracy.

Other input methods use standard keyboard keys to construct the desired character, but man, once you use stylus + touch screen, it's hard to go back.

So that's why I think the iPhone will be a step backwards at least in some parts of the world. Or just type in English and forget the hassle. :cool:

[vijay555]

Guys, how expensive will it be for them to provide a stylus? Come on, I can't imagine this being a deal breaker. Question is if there is support for those languages, why haven't they shown it? But if they're going for worldwide release, I can't see them trying to force everyone to type in English.

V

[joe_dude]

My apologies for being long-winded.... :o

Anyway, I'm guessing the iPhone will use "radical" character input (i.e. characters broken up into its parts) on its virtual keyboard, then choose from a drop-down list. Clunky, but okay.

I highly doubt they are going to add a stylus, since multi-touch is suppose to be its way-too-cool replacement. ;)

[Oliy]

Agreed, a stylus is small, fiddly, losable, and decidedly un-Apple.

In a way, it had to be that way for Apple to have product differentiation. If it had a normal phone keypad, it would have been just like a normal phone with a different operating system (who's going to notice anyway?) and can play music just like any normal phone these days.

If it had a stylus, regardless of whether it particularly needed one for operation, it would be seen as a PDA and shunned by the masses who want a phone to make calls with, not an organiser that does everything but is consequently a little more complex to use.

It had to be different, and have neither buttons not a stylus. If anyone can pull off something this slick, it would be Apple. However, as many have pointed out, for a large number of languages, particular of Asian origin, this could be a big problem.

Apple has probably released this at the right time. The mp3 player / phone markets have been converging for a couple of years and in another couple of years the discrete portable mp3 player market may start seeing a downward trend. Apple can now continue to sell iPods in the guise of a phone / portable computer.

[vijay555]

Lol
"Windows Mobile 5 Already Does What the iPhone Does - Gizmodo"

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/macworld2007/windows-mobile-5-already-does-what-the-iphone-does-227778.php

V

[hanmin]

I've finally got "the letter" from Apple and I have since removed all copyright meterials from this forum.

[UPDATE:] Why make your phone look like iPhone when your phone can look this good. Tell me when iPhone can do this (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1113976#post1113976).

- top = cLaunch
- bottom = phoneAlarm
btw: the phoneAlarm is not really very practical in this manner.
Attached:
- Ripped icons 32 x 32.
- phoneAlarm skin

FAQ
[1] How is it done?
Use any 32x32 icons with cLaunch (freeware) Read this thread on how to use this cLaunch (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=289523&highlight=). Thanks decknologist, for the tutorial. You can try these icons spacing settings

Icon size: 32
Icon name width: 46
Icon name heught: 12
Icon margins: Horizontal= 5, Vertical= 10
Windwos margin: Left= 8, Right= 0, Top=0, Bottom= 0.

[2] How do I make the black theme? I have grey bars instead.
The black theme and all instructions are available here. (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1098807#post1098807)

[3] The clock is dull
You have have clock on your WM5 today screen,
something like this (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1099336#post1099336), using VJ's todaytoggle (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=243211&highlight=) and Rotlaus's rlToday (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=269650&highlight=)

[4] Why can't I push the bottom bar to hit the bottom?
Some of the phone may have those icons on the system tray. I'm not sure, but thallanor seems to have the problem and he has solved the problem (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1099742#post1099742)

[5] I can get the carbon fiber skin to work on phoneAlarm?
thallanor solved that problem (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1099742#post1099742) too

[n] Still have problems ..
For general WM5 theming questions, direct your question to this thread instead. (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1098807#post1098807)

[cr2]

Attached:
- Ripped icons 32 x 32.
- phoneAlarm skin

LOL. no respect for intellectual property :)

[belfast-biker]

I'm a recent Mac convert, and I've been through quite a few Pocket PCs in the past, never really flirting with other OS's like Crackberries, Treos or Palms, but given the fond memories I had of my first PDA, an Apple Newton, I'm SO BUYING THIS.

Apple are the Nintendo of the Computer world.... they just do things wonderfully.

[symondavis]

I will be selling my Exec and XDA IIi when these start to hit the UK.

Anyone know who the UK carrier/supplier will be?

[st3v3]

hey check this write up from Gizmodo,

reminds me of that episode of south park, "the simpsons already did it..."

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/macworld2007/windows-mobile-5-already-does-what-the-iphone-does-227778.php

its still damn nice hardware but just a shame about the software.

[HurricaneDj]

I love my Universal! Hackked and running well (Even A2DP/Spider)

I have however, wasted plenty valuble time getting it to "WORK"

I use MAC and PC Professionally for Media editing, and I can tell you> Altho I can build a PC to run "Faster"> I can rely on the MAC to run "Flawless"
For this reason, I only take MACs to gigs> or whe I have clients recording in REAL TIME.

If the Iphone runs like true osX than my only question is:

HOW CAN I PRE-ORDER???

CAN I KEEP MY T-MOBILE #......LOL

SERIOUSLY I WANT TO GET IT EARLY IF NOT IN THE FIRST SHIPMENT.>>>> WHERE?
:D

SEEMS TO HAVE MOST THINGS I WANT>>>
EXCEPT THAT I hear no mention yet of A2DP?

[rodete]

i want one :p

[joe_dude]

Well, I'm thinking that the iPhone will be more akin to the Sony PSP than to a WM device.

I think those who are using a WM phone for its extra features will probably be perfectly suited for the iPhone - with a lot less headaches. For those who use a WM phone as a PDA/mini-laptop, the iPhone just won't cut it.

It's also interesting to see the parallel between iMac vs. Windoze PC and iPhone vs. WM phone. Work of art vs. the Wild West? :D

[deathMiata]

Apple has probably released this at the right time. The mp3 player / phone markets have been converging for a couple of years and in another couple of years the discrete portable mp3 player market may start seeing a downward trend. Apple can now continue to sell iPods in the guise of a phone / portable computer.

Oily: I can say your post exactly summed up the market that this phone will be reaching out to... The people who want to combine together their media player and phone together into a single solution.

On a related tangent...

My experiences are limited to Motorola as I used to hang on a few modification forums... If someone with experiences can chime in about music phones with the other manufacturers, it would be appreciated.

Motorola has been pushing this barrier for the past few years...

If anyone remembers the Motorola E398, that was a "revolutionary" music phone as it had "3D sound" speakers and fun-lights (from the V80). The crippling point of the phone was the TransFlash (with SanDisk exclusively marketing the memory) and the phone overall was mediocre UNLESS you decided to take a risk to flash in the various Monster Pack or FlexLash packages.

Then Motorola releases the Motorola ROKR (only some parts of Europe and Asia would get the iTunes-less version). The iTunes-less ROKR was basically just a rehash of the E398 but with minor tweaks to the OS. The iTunes one was the same as the E398 but with a Java based version of iTune. Sadly, Motorola crippled it a whole lot worse than the E398... iTunes by default would lock out at 100 songs; it didn't matter if you had a 1 GB TransFlash and could theoretically hold 3000+ songs. The main problems of the E398 once again return, but due to the changes for this "update" the phone saw terrible instability in the early firmware and flexware versions. Once again, the Monster Pack and FlexLash packs would save the phone's grace. Not to mention, some folks on the Motorola community would break the crippled iTunes to hold a significantly better 1,000 songs.

The SLVR L7 was basically a ROKR/E398 with the slim principles of the RAZR in it's heart... The only new modification was hot-swappable TransFlash and quad-band EDGE support. Same problems from it's predecessors sadly...

The V3i/V3m/V3x/V3MAXX/KRZR (and even the leaked RIZR Z6) all seem to be rehashes of the old E398 and ROKR's in the guise of an OS powered by a mix of Linux and Java in fancy body shells...

What does the above have to do with the iPhone? The iPhone really uncomplicates the idea of the music phone. Much like how the portable music player industry was changed with the iPod's simplicity, I think that the iPhone will be a big step for music phones as far as simplicity goes. I personally think that the target at hand for Apple is Sidekicks, Motorola, Sony Ericsson, and Nokia, NOT WM5 devices or Blackberry like so many posts attack on various forums, web pages, and communities show..

Clearly, WM5 devices or Blackberries will be king when it comes to business... This will be due to Windows Server apps, Blackberry Connect, Outlook, etc. I will probably end up keeping my Wizard for my business phone, but get the iPhone as my personal phone. That way, I can have the best of both worlds! :D

[CWKJ]

I wish somebody in the US bought it, opened it and posted the motherboard
pictures :D Then we will know which CPU, BT and WIFI chipsets are used.
Heard is Samsung (CPU), CSR (BT), Marvell (Wifi), Infineon (GSM) & Broadcom (Screen).

[CWKJ]

According to engadget the iPhone wont be a "pda" as it will only allow first-party software...

Read the full article here (http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-iphone-is-not-a-smartphone/)
Wow, not even Second Party Software . . . LOL ! ! ! . . .

And we are using Third Party Software . . . LOL ! ! ! . . .

[st3v3]

Wow, not even Second Party Software . . . LOL ! ! ! . . .

And we are using Third Party Software . . . LOL ! ! ! . . .

bah, typical Apple!!!

ive always said apple products are for hippies, artists and teachers. (usually involving knee high socks while driving volvos)

(waits to be roasted) :D

[hanmin]

Interesting

Cisco to sue Apple on iPhone name
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6250511.stm

change it to applePhone? :D

[KTamas]

bah, typical Apple!!!

ive always said apple products are for hippies, artists and teachers. (usually involving knee high socks while driving volvos)

(waits to be roasted) :D
What is your problem with Volvos?

[st3v3]

you mean ivolvos ?

[captainsensible2002]

Usual Apple style over substance...

[Alcibiade]

I think many of you misunderstand the market Apple is targetting. People on this forum are Geeks (I include myself in this group by the way... Just in case someone feels offended)
Do you think the average Joe hacks his phone ? Of course not. Do you think the average Joe will ever think about installing 3rd party softwares. For sure not. Millions of people buying "cool phones" do not even own a PC... For many of them their brand new phone is even the first "digital camera" they ever bought !
This phone is an interesting, "no effort" convergence of iPod and phone. Without much thinking or knowledge anybody will be able to listen to his MP3 or watch videos. And this on the device he carries everyday, his phone. And everything is ready. No need to think to install complicated things, or do any kind of black magic (Open a Cab...) to have it do useful tasks
And... on top of that... it looks GREAT
This market is much bigger than the one consisting of a few geeks :)
So it's much more profitable... The iPhone will probably sell much better than most of the PPC phones we see on the market right now...

That said, personnaly I hope the iPhone will boost competition between phone makers, give them good ideas, push them to more innovation. And finally push them to also have better looking products...
I bought my Hermes 10 days ago... And I do hope to see a Windows phone with a HVGA screen, or better if possible. And slightly larger. And 8Gb memory (Yes I dont wanna carry an MP3 player + my phone. And sorry but microSD cards only allow 2Gb... Too small for me...). And GPS. And slimmer. Better design. With a better camera (In japan some Sharp phones have 5mega pixel cameras). And a more powerful processor to play games. And a better graphic interface
Etc...

This will happen. And the iPhone is part of the evolution
Will I buy one ? I dont think so. It will be out in July 07 in the US, Q4 in Europe and 2008 in Japan (where I currently live). BY that time... I am pretty sure there will be better products around (Let's be honest it will be out in 6 months without even having 3G ! Nearly be a joke !)
Now, other phone makers, watch the iPhone, learn and improve !

[Rudegar]

agreed but imho then all the non "geeks"
cant for the life of them understand how i can live with such a big brick
phone
and even if iphone is thin itøs still kinda big

not sure if the public who pref their phone fitting in their nose will stand for it ;)

[levenum]

Yep, Alcibiade is right. The market for 'dumb' phones is 1000s of times bigger the for PDA / Smartphone platforms though a lot of non-geeks today want the mail+calender etc on the go. (Hence the success of Blackberry)

Any way, I think large part of this thread is disappointment (I know I am feeling it).
From the first pics it looked like a great new toy, finally an alternative to both fat MS and somewhat ineducable palms. But now this is clear that its just another phone, though fancy looking.
Question is, with 600$ price tag (which I think is a bit expansive for this kind of device) will it really be a hit?

[CWKJ]

Interesting

Cisco to sue Apple on iPhone name
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6250511.stm

change it to applePhone? :D
iMobile
iCell
iFon
iTel
iApple

[bigshape]

iwhogivesashit ? :D

[Lucas0511]

Heard is Samsung (CPU), CSR (BT), Marvell (Wifi), Infineon (GSM) & Broadcom (Screen).

Touchscreen is made in Germany by Balda http://www.balda.de/index_en.shtml

[CWKJ]

iPhone WM5 :D

- top = cLauncher
- bottom = phoneAlarm

btw: the phoneAlarm is not really very practical in this manner.

Attached:
- Ripped icons 32 x 32.
- phoneAlarm skin
- top = cLauncher, Do you mean the top 12 icons?
- bottom = phoneAlarm, Do you mean the bottom 4 icons?

By the way, how do you change the icons of cLauncher?

[levenum]

iSophagus (http://store.sluggy.com/detailed-isoph.html)?
(no this is not SPAM, I just didn't bother to find the actual comic)

[decknologist]

- top = cLauncher, Do you mean the top 12 icons?
- bottom = phoneAlarm, Do you mean the bottom 4 icons?

By the way, how do you change the icons of cLauncher?

Highlight your application within cLaunch and then select 'edit'

Tap 'Change icon'

Tap the ... and select the location of your icons - as it states you can use .exe., .dll, .cpl and.bmp

I use a lot of 32x32 bitmaps and also the Sksmgr_icons.dll (You will need to serch for this) as well.

You can find 32x32 icons on google image search and then convert them to bitmaps.

[cyberdrakula]

Highlight your application within cLaunch and then select 'edit'

Tap 'Change icon'

Tap the ... and select the location of your icons - as it states you can use .exe., .dll, .cpl and.bmp

I use a lot of 32x32 bitmaps and also the Sksmgr_icons.dll (You will need to serch for this) as well.

You can find 32x32 icons on google image search and then convert them to bitmaps.

@DEKNO

Can point me to where I can get some info on this?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=289516

[CWKJ]

Highlight your application within cLaunch and then select 'edit'

Tap 'Change icon'

Tap the ... and select the location of your icons - as it states you can use .exe., .dll, .cpl and.bmp

I use a lot of 32x32 bitmaps and also the Sksmgr_icons.dll (You will need to serch for this) as well.

You can find 32x32 icons on google image search and then convert them to bitmaps.
Ok, Thanks.

So what I am missing now is to create a black background jpg myself. :D

[exemike]

its being sued for using some companies name
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6250511.stm
but something will be worked out hopefully

[Menneisyys]

iPhone WM5 :D

- top = cLauncher
- bottom = phoneAlarm

btw: the phoneAlarm is not really very practical in this manner.

Attached:
- Ripped icons 32 x 32.
- phoneAlarm skin

Congrats! I've just cross-posted an article on most PPC board on your stuff!

[decknologist]

A few days ago everyone wanted their devices to mimic crossbow and today it's the iPhone!

Has anyone made a Photon mock-up yet? LOL

[markgamber]

Interesting

Cisco to sue Apple on iPhone name
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6250511.stm

change it to applePhone? :D

I think it would be nice to see Jobs exercise his middle finger a bit on this one. There isn't much I dislike more than Cisco. Maybe Oracle. And HP. Maybe.

Edit: Definately Oracle. Ellison sucks harder than paris hilton on a second date.

[cyberdrakula]

iPhone WM5 :D

- top = cLauncher
- bottom = phoneAlarm

btw: the phoneAlarm is not really very practical in this manner.

Attached:
- Ripped icons 32 x 32.
- phoneAlarm skin

Can you upload the BLACK Theme? The Black one I have has Grey Bars :(.

[TheHawks]

I wonder how hard would it be to port the OSX Os from the Iphone to a device like the Herems or another the iPhone processor which i think it would be a ARM processor if anyone has more info post

[markgamber]

Could be easy, could be hard, could impossible, who knows. Until they release some real specs, it's anyone's guess.

As an aside, I think I've read three "iPhone vs WM phone" comparisons so far today. So....what are they comparing, a phone you can go to the store and buy right now against a flash animation of what they want you to think it is on apple.com? Yep, that's the way I read it. That means the hype has now reached the asinine stage and I don't care until there are some REAL facts about it in June. :D

[hanmin]

Can you upload the BLACK Theme? The Black one I have has Grey Bars :(.

I've moved theming issues to the related thread here. (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1098807#post1098807)

[markgamber]

From MSNBC:

“You don’t want your phone to be an open platform,” meaning that anyone can write applications for it and potentially gum up the provider's network, says Jobs. “You need it to work when you need it to work. Cingular doesn’t want to see their West Coast network go down because some application messed up.”

If Apple wants to make it a pain in the ass to play ball, screw 'em. Kind of a shame seeing that kind of thing from Jobs.

[paulrockliffe]

Just a thought - If it's flat on the table, how will it know whether it should be in landscape or portrait??

[_Nomad_]

hehe... I've been having the exact thoughts myself... I hope apple came up with something extra on this one. I just can't image what it could be...

[_Nomad_]

a little more info, from someone who's actually gotten to play with it

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/01/09/some-hands-on-time-with-the-iphone/

[st3v3]

Note my new signature....

also note this from crave

http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9677208-1.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=Crave

[markgamber]

Thanks to your sig, I ended up buying a Timex Sinclair 1000 off ebay. Yes, I'm serious. :D

[daemonk]

here is a video demonstration of some of the features:

http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/video-iphone-demonstration

The interface looks amazing. No lag and smooth animations.

[CWKJ]

Touchscreen is made in Germany by Balda http://www.balda.de/index_en.shtml
Balda hardware or Software?

I read somewhere on the Web mentioning Broadcom, sounds strange, I thought they are strong in Bluetooth.

Maybe they do the software, not sure?

[CWKJ]

Here is my PPC-iPhone, courtesy Hanmin for the icons and Corleno for the Vista Black Wisbar.

<Saw the letter sent to Modaco on their website & others>

[Lucas0511]

Balda hardware or Software?

I read somewhere on the Web mentioning Broadcom, sounds strange, I thought they are strong in Bluetooth.

Maybe they do the software, not sure?

Balda says nothing about the iPhone, but we know they are a Apple strategic partner for this, and supply the screens. The OSX mobile soft is addressing the screens chip, maybe that soft could originate from Broadcom, don´t know. Time will tell...

[rddt]

iPhone WM5 :D

- top = cLauncher
- bottom = phoneAlarm

btw: the phoneAlarm is not really very practical in this manner.

Attached:
- Ripped icons 32 x 32.
- phoneAlarm skin

phoneAlarm - Not very practical meaning you don't get real numbers neatly integrated into the images?
BTW where can I get cLauncher and phoneAlarm? Can I get them for free?

[hanmin]

phoneAlarm - Not very practical meaning you don't get real numbers neatly integrated into the images?
BTW where can I get cLauncher and phoneAlarm? Can I get them for free?

You get phoneAlarm to display stuff, but usually people use phone alarm for many other things, rather than just miss call, mail and sms (eg they usually have things like WiFi, bluetooth, etc).

Search for cLauncher (or is it cLaunch), it is freeware. phoneAlarm is not free. I tried to think of assemble the entire thing up with freeware (if not, probably I will have WAD skin rather than cLaunch), but I'm not able to think of much. V just got me the idea for ToggleToday, which works great, and I'm considering rlToday (freeware). I may need others to do the WA2 skin for the top section (look at iPhone screen shot). Will try to do it this weekend. Have to work.

Anyway, better direct theming questions to the theming thread here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1098807#post1098807)

[Rudegar]

http://www.google.dk/search?hl=da&q=cLauncher&btnG=Google-s%C3%B8gning&meta=lr%3Dlang_da%7Clang_en

http://www.google.dk/search?hl=da&q=phoneAlarm&btnG=Google-s%C3%B8gning&meta=lr%3Dlang_da%7Clang_en

[CWKJ]

phoneAlarm - Not very practical meaning you don't get real numbers neatly integrated into the images?
BTW where can I get cLauncher and phoneAlarm? Can I get them for free?
cLaunch is the software that I use to make my today screen. It is a quite small today screen plugin which is only a small DLL file & some Registrys. But the 32x32 slows down things a bit, the 16x16 speed wise is ok.

cLaunch is a freeware, well at least the website I downloaded says so. Google and you will find.

Phone Alarm is a software that does many things and one of the feature is DISPLAY which Hanmin use to make the bottom part of the today screen.

Phone Alarm is not free.

[decknologist]

BTW where can I get cLauncher and phoneAlarm? Can I get them for free?

Check my post here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1099122#post1099122 for information on cLaunch and a brief user guide.

[downloa]

Great thanks~~

[daniel.eriksson]

dont know if this one was in the post already. Pretty nifty zooming of the pictures:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgW7or1TuFk

[ZeBoxx]

just to note.. it does appear as Jobs is saying that they would like to certify third party products before 'allowing' them on the phone. Hackers probably getting around that (if required at all) aside, this is - in a way - a good thing.

Just check these forums for the many, -many-, complaints about third party software, including commercial software, that locks up, kills the phone, turns the phone into a brick or sometimes even completely destroys a part of the software.

Let's not forget that a lot of stuff from Apple -is- as polished as it is because they hold the reigns quite tightly.

Although it will suck for 'the little guy' who just wants a fun tool to be distributed, it will keep the thing a lot more stable. Those would still want to play with those tools could wait for it to be hacked - if required.

Lastly - it does run Safari, it might run a Flash player.. there could be plenty possible within that framework for typical use.

On the other hand, rumors abound about not having 3G because that might make VOIP possible and kill a chunk of Cingular's revenue stream - but at the same time alleged 'apple insiders' saying that the phone could be upgraded to 3G by way of software (e.g. the hardware is there, it's just not being used).

Fun stuff. If nothing else, though, it might make the Microsoft partners scratch their heads and improve their devices and (bundled) software.

[meschle]

Hi Zeboxx! great to see you back - how are you doing, me, vijay and others have missed your knowledge and expertise. Hope you stick around
- take care.

[markgamber]

Just check these forums for the many, -many-, complaints about third party software, including commercial software, that locks up, kills the phone, turns the phone into a brick or sometimes even completely destroys a part of the software.


Heh....well, these forums are also proof that 99 times out of 100 it's not a fault of the software. Besides, the issue, according to Jobs, was faulty software clogging up the network. I never even heard of that being a problem before unless he means the Slingplayer, which isn't faulty. I don't subscribe to that "Apple is better because they're not Microsoft" bullshit. There are things about OS X that drive me nuts as much as Windows XP ever has. I can't imagine this phone will be any different so some options and alternatives would be nice, and more is better.

So again, we'll see in June. Probably later, actually, as I don't really have much interest in anything before rev 3 or so. But it sounded to me like Jobs is trying to aim at Joe User who doesn't know or care about the stuff that we care about while pushing a price that all but demands business users who probably won't stand for "my way or the highway" given the alternatives. Someone at Apple better pull it together before June or it'll be dead before it hits the ground.

[deathMiata]

Just check these forums for the many, -many-, complaints about third party software, including commercial software, that locks up, kills the phone, turns the phone into a brick or sometimes even completely destroys a part of the software.

I will agree with ZeBoxx here. Go to the Wizard forum and you'll see many threads over the same topics on privately made third-party software. Many times it will be a user issue, but that ends up being the risk with that. The lokwiz threads are a great example, you'll have people with posts saying "I got this error, what do I do?" and sure enough they don't RTFM or look an the FAQ in the first post by machinagod.

markgamber: There may not be a WM5 app that kills or bogs down a network, but Steve Jobs is more or less battening down the hatches in the case there-of. Some of the spyware, malware, and virus watch sites have listed in their "top predictions" that with the era of mobile devices becoming more and more powerful that they soon will be a far more popular target. I could easily see someone making some sort of exploit for the phone to silently send out SMS messages or e-mails with things like a user's phone book, etc. Symbian has been a target for a few years with a couple of bothersome virus attacks, but if a platform is locked up and app writers must seek authorization to write apps... This makes for more secure development.

I can certainly understand that Apple wants to keep "damage control" relatively tight as when there are too many variables, it's hard to properly diagnose problems for users. It is the same standard that they run in their desktop/portable business, keep the chipsets in the same family or equivalent and customer service issues end up easier to diagnose.

Once again, the iPhone is not about what the phone can do. The iPhone's main point is how the phone does things.

Read this post: http://forums.clubsi.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/901633/page/0/fpart/3#Post896060

It may be from an automotive forum, but I think the guy has the right point.

Try explaining to a user like a 45 year old father or maybe even a 28 year old woman how to load songs on to a WM5 device, but instead of loading the songs to the device... they have to redirect to the storage card. That in itself is hard without any visuals! The iPhone will use iTunes to load songs, this will be nice to the average Joe because there won't be any intricate navigation of the device's internal storage system.

The voice mail is another interesting implementation. Most people are familiar of navigating through their voice mail and having to hit [7] to delete voice mails, [#] to skip messages, etc. With visual voice mail, there's no need to even go through all those prompts. You have the ability to listen at your leisure, rewind the message, selectively delete message (rather than navigate to the message you need to delete from your saved messages).

The web browsing is a nice first party solution. Many users are used to the WAP versions of websites on mobile devices. The WAP sites end up being crippled at times because they lack so much rich information. By having a full blown copy of Safari on the iPhone, being able to load complete pages will resolve that issue. The Google Maps demo on the Apple site demonstrates this well; the user tries to find a Starbucks within proximity of where they currently are and they can click on the phone number to dial the location. Users with data plans will find this to be nice as they will be able to locate restaurants within range in unfamiliar locales.

Again, the target is NOT the business/enterprise user... but it is the demographic that would consider buying a Sidekick, RAZR V3i/V3m/V3c, Sony-Ericsson Walkman Phones.

[GreatSouljah]

how do i install this?

[dalspartan]

The iPhone is really no big deal, except the new touch screen technology. Sure looks "cool", but "coolness" always wears off with the next new gadget, doesn't it?

[starlety]

Hi hanmin,

You are getting popular now in windows mobile world. now you are even featured in the gadgets website http://www.coolgadgetszone.com/2007/01/13/software/windows-mobile-ui-looks-similar-to-iphone-ui/

[CWKJ]

@Hanmin
Have copied the Black, Stocks, Maps & Weather. :D

Black is to fill the gap. :D

But I do not have Stock, Map or Weather Software, so the 4 icons on my phone is all dummys.

The rest has links.

This is so fun !!!

Was wondering how to go to MMS in the real iPhone? (Mail?)

<Saw the letter to Modaco on their website & others>

[modaco]

MoDaCo contacted by Apple Legal for posting iPhone PPC screenshot and linking to xda-devs:

http://www.paulobrien.net/node/62

:-S

P

[surfer]

How do you make it work on a qvga device with clauncher? All I get is one quarter of a picture.

[CWKJ]

Saw this Legal note on the Web Page dated 13 January 2007 & before.

This device has not been authorized as required by the rules of the Federal Communications Commission. This device is not, and may not be, offered for sale or lease, or sold or leased, until authorization is obtained.

Did not see any warning for copying the ICONs from the JPEG say from the website or any other websites is not authorised.

The jpgs are all over in many websites around the world.

Is ICON part of the device?

Any lawyer can advice?

Has anyone seen the contract all this big INCs have with their suppliers/customers, all skew to their advantages, hate all this big INCs lawyers, all are bullies!!! And it sometimes piss off potential customers/suppliers, they are so big until they have forgotton that their existence is because they have customers to serve, they thought without them, nobody can survive and they have forgotten there exists a "close" subtitutes.

Hope they are sued till pants drop for using name that do not belong to them. And need to rename the product to iMSued.

[rlith]

My current iphone skin, only about 50% done (XV6700) W/ wisbar advance and desktop


Software Attached
SMS Screen:
Picture Dialer from Treo attached to Palm Threaded SMS
MAPS:
Microsoft Streets Pocket Edition
Weather:
SBSH Pocket Weather, taking up whole screen with Time fade at the top

Stocks: Opera opening to NASDAQ

Camera:
Built in camera software

Calc:
Skinned black stock calc

iPod: pPod

I'm going to redo and upload the Calendar and Clock icons so they can be used for %Date% and clock face within the clock icon, and that leads to a plain screen with just the clock bar... As I get to see more of the iphone gui, I can make changes as needed

Main Screen

http://home.comcast.net/~slavrinc/iphone.jpg


SMS Screen

http://home.comcast.net/~slavrinc/iphone2.jpg

[CWKJ]

How do you make it work on a qvga device with clauncher? All I get is one quarter of a picture.
change in claunch from 16x16 to 32x32

[CWKJ]

My current iphone skin, only about 50% done (XV6700) W/ wisbar advance and desktop

Software Attached
SMS Screen:
Picture Dialer from Treo attached to Palm Threaded SMS
MAPS:
Microsoft Streets Pocket Edition
Weather:
SBSH Pocket Weather, taking up whole screen with Time fade at the top

Stocks: Opera opening to NASDAQ

Camera:
Built in camera software

Calc:
Skinned black stock calc

iPod: pPod

I'm going to redo and upload the Calendar and Clock icons so they can be used for %Date% and clock face within the clock icon, and that leads to a plain screen with just the clock bar... As I get to see more of the iphone gui, I can make changes as needed.
Great, will this be for free to all of us.

Which file do you run with the "Power" Button?

I think I will be getting the real thing to try when it is available.

[ZeBoxx]

Hey meschle,

Just been busy with my day job - need to look around and see what's new and cool for the pocketpc, for sure. But 'fraid that won't be anytime soon.. busy-busy :)

I did look at one interest of mine.. that appointment radar in thumb magic.. shame there hasn't been further development of that.. I really think that could be ideal for people with busy schedules if it'd be expanded upon.

Anyway - back on-topic... nice going, Apple Legal ;) Though I think they might object to the usage of the icons and whatnot more than the general feel... because let's face it.. that 'general feel' has been created by PocketPC users dozens of times. Personally I think we shouldn't try to imitate the 'iPhone' (keep in mind they still don't have the rights to that name.. they're playing a very interesting game with Cisco on that one) in terms of exact graphics, etc. E.g. what's the point of putting an iPod icon on your pocketpc? it's not an iPod, it's not even close to an iPod, don't pretend it is.. it's every bit as lame as people running around with white earbuds on their cheap 32MB mp3 player bought at the supermarket just to make it seem like it's an iPod they're using ;) What people should concentrate on is the software and usability which, sadly, does depend on the hardware a good bit (sorry HTC, but most of your hardware isn't going to do realtime scaling of photos, it seems.. my Wizard won't even display a photo in the pictures viewer in any decent amount of time. Might be software, but it seems doubtful.)

back off-topic.. personally I don't think there's too many years left before a truly pocketable full PC is possible. There's the OQO et al, of course, but battery life stinks and they're slightly too big to be considered pocketable - however, I think the performance of an OQO in the package of a PocketPC is something that will be possible quite soon enough. By that time, we won't be worrying about PocketPC-specific development.. we'll just develop for a full-blown O/S (be that Windows, Linux, BSD, OSX, whatever) with the only restrictions being the human interface part (e.g. input through stylus, multitouch crap, buttons, keyboard, blabla) due to the size constrictions.
So assuming my wizard doesn't die before that time, I don't think I'll be getting a new PocketPC until then. Unless a truly amazing new PocketPC pops up - and the 'iPhone' (back on-topic), without full third party support and already declared by Jobs himself to not be a computer but a fancy phone, just isn't it.

Enough ranting... besides my dayjob, I also have to eat... better get my groceries done :)

Edit: thumbsplus -> thumb magic. I knew I got that wrong

[deathMiata]

Interesting turn of events in the whole Cisco v. Apple case in regards to the use of the name "iPhone"...

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=236

[neofix]

BTW: Seen this one http://www.media.engadget.com/2007/01/11/iphone-and-lg-ke850-separated-at-birth/

And sorry if it's already been posted... :P

[levenum]

Turns out the iPhone can do a whole lot more than we expected!
Look here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xXNoB3t8vM).

[victoradjei]

Turns out the iPhone can do a whole lot more than we expected!
Look here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xXNoB3t8vM).

Could be a jack of "all trades" syndrome :p

[CWKJ]

Turns out the iPhone can do a whole lot more than we expected!
Look here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xXNoB3t8vM).
LOL ! ! ! LOL ! ! !

[cyberdrakula]

Turns out the iPhone can do a whole lot more than we expected!
Look here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xXNoB3t8vM).

THAT AD WAS JUST PLAIN FUNNY ! Imagine how much free time those must've had to go and create a long ad like that.

[meepatme]

can somone clarrify for me please. I read somewhere that the iphone wouldnt have superfast net access.

Yet the specs show it has edge, i thought edge was super 3g. I currently have a hermes which has edge that goes at 1.8mbs a second.

So wots diff on edge and super 3g, basic question will we get broadband speeds in uk off the iphone russ

[markgamber]

3G doesn't even leave EDGE in the dust because it's settled by the time EDGE has caught up. There's no comparison, 3G is several times faster.

I like that ad. The fellator was a nice touch...I'm sure it'll just be an expensive add-on. Exclusively from Apple, of course. ;)

[Mythozz]

can somone clarrify for me please. I read somewhere that the iphone wouldnt have superfast net access.

Yet the specs show it has edge, i thought edge was super 3g. I currently have a hermes which has edge that goes at 1.8mbs a second.

So wots diff on edge and super 3g, basic question will we get broadband speeds in uk off the iphone russ

iphone will have EDGE. Yes it is true. But EDGE is not Super 3G as you say, but a service 2.5G, with speeds up to 284 kbps approximately. You have a Hermes which supports EDGE of course, but it also supports HSDPA which is 3.5G service and reaches up to 1.8Mbps speeds.

So you do get these speeds but with a HSDPA capable phone, the Hermes. The iphone is not HSDPA compatible, and not 3G phone as well... It will be able to reach speeds of up to 284 kbps which is really slow for 3G+ users...

That is, with the specs we have today. A lot of these may change until the summer...

[chiragpatwa]

hey thanks all
i made Iphone look alike

[eminem213486]

all this talk about the UI and i just want a pocket pc alternative voicemail like the one on the iphone. it seems it stores voicemail messages locally on the phone itself.

is there a pocketpc app for like this? i have found something on the internets but i dont know where to find that program. http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:AhjXIhHTCwkJ:www.pocketpcthoughts.c om/articles.php%3Faction%3Dexpand,46925:dont_paginate ,1+pocket+pc+answering+machine&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=10 local voicemail also saves on the minutes youre wasting on your bill..

does anyone also know of a Twist Interface port of the Zune? its gotta be running winCE id love that twist interface hacked on the pocketpc (same os, screen size) - wifi support would be sweet.

[digitalizatt]

Ok. I've finally got "the letter" to have this removed. You need to get it from somewhere else. Good luck.

There are more than 500 download, you ought to able to get it somewhere. :)

iPhone WM5 :D
- top = cLaunch
- bottom = phoneAlarm
btw: the phoneAlarm is not really very practical in this manner.
Attached:
- Ripped icons 32 x 32.
- phoneAlarm skin

FAQ
[1] How do I use the 32x32 icons?!
Those 32x32 icons are meant to be used with cLaunch. Read this thread on how to use this cLaunch (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=289523&highlight=). Thanks decknologist, for the tutorial. The icons spacing settings are

Icon size: 32
Icon name width: 46
Icon name heught: 12
Icon margins: Horizontal= 5, Vertical= 10
Windwos margin: Left= 8, Right= 0, Top=0, Bottom= 0.

[1b] Why dont your post a cLaunch skin?
It is difficult to send a cLaunch skin, consider the different location one may put their icons files (eg in the SD card or main memory). Unless someone is going to make a CAB file for it. (Ok, I will try to come out with this later)

[2] How do I make the black theme? I have grey bars instead.
The black theme and all instructions are available here. (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1098807#post1098807)

[3] The clock is dull
A new version with larger screen and dynamic clock and calendar is available here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1099336#post1099336), using VJ's todaytoggle (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=243211&highlight=) and Rotlaus's rlToday (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=269650&highlight=)

[4] Why can't I push the bottom bar to hit the bottom?
Some of the phone may have those icons on the system tray. I'm not sure, but thallanor seems to have the problem and he has solved the problem (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1099742#post1099742)

[5] I can get the carbon fiber skin to work on phoneAlarm?
thallanor solved that problem (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1099742#post1099742) too

[n] Still have problems ..
Direct your question to this thread instead. (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1098807#post1098807)
I just purchased phone alarm and am trying to make my iphone skin, I have most of it completed, but when I installed phoneAlarm, it installed it on the top of my today screen, I didn't see any option to move it to the bottom.

How do I move it to the bottom and install the grey fiber skin? I need some serious help, thanks.

[SecureGSM]

removed ....

[levenum]

all this talk about the UI and i just want a pocket pc alternative voicemail like the one on the iphone. it seems it stores voicemail messages locally on the phone itself.

is there a pocketpc app for like this? i have found something on the internets but i dont know where to find that program. http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:AhjXIhHTCwkJ:www.pocketpcthoughts.c om/articles.php%3Faction%3Dexpand,46925:dont_paginate ,1+pocket+pc+answering+machine&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=10 local voicemail also saves on the minutes youre wasting on your bill..



This has been extensively discussed on the forum. Many phones (particularly HTC devices) don't have the hardware capability to record phone calls - strange but true.

And those phones that can record it, like g-smart don't do it in a generic way so if your phone doesn't come with a built in answering machine, it is not likely you will get a 3rd party app for it.

[jambaj0e]

Is it me or all these workarounds more complicated than just using Wisbar Advance Desktop? I got mine running and tweaked quickly. Here's my iPhone: Aston Martin edition in portrait and landscape mode.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/Audicted/Sprint%20PPC-6700/Jambaj0eiPhone-Home-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/Audicted/Sprint%20PPC-6700/Jambaj0eiPhone-HomeL.jpg

[510jungleboy]

J ,

How can i get the bottom icons to displayed? i got the top part alerady. I have PhoneAlarm running and no luck, Thanks in advance

[digitalizatt]

J ,

How can i get the bottom icons to displayed? i got the top part alerady. I have PhoneAlarm running and no luck, Thanks in advance


Same for me, I got the top part done, but PhoneAlarm is running and I don't know how to change it to look like your guys, please help

[ywilson]

Can any kind soul send me the icons at ywilson@singnet.com.sg

[sdh]

I just purchased phone alarm and am trying to make my iphone skin, I have most of it completed, but when I installed phoneAlarm, it installed it on the top of my today screen, I didn't see any option to move it to the bottom.

How do I move it to the bottom and install the grey fiber skin? I need some serious help, thanks.

change the order in today settings.

[510jungleboy]

sdh ,


How ? phoneAlarm has default icons , and it's at the bottom of the screen. How do i make it displayed the i_hone icons instead. step-by-step would be great if you can walk me through it.

[sdh]

Is it me or all these workarounds more complicated than just using Wisbar Advance Desktop? I got mine running and tweaked quickly. Here's my iPhone: Aston Martin edition in portrait and landscape mode.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/Audicted/Sprint%20PPC-6700/Jambaj0eiPhone-Home-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/Audicted/Sprint%20PPC-6700/Jambaj0eiPhone-HomeL.jpg

how did you manage to get the date and time. Also how did you get labels for the icons at the bottom.

[sdh]

sdh ,


How ? phoneAlarm has default icons , and it's at the bottom of the screen. How do i make it displayed the i_hone icons instead. step-by-step would be great if you can walk me through it.

you need to get skin for phone alarm. try ppcgeeks. copy the skin and the directory to the phone alarm installation folder. Then in settings of phone alarm, select the desired skin.

[jambaj0e]

Wow, thanks everyone who messaged me about my iPhone skin. It's not that hard really. I used Wisbar Advance Desktop and used the iPhone WAD file found here (POST#6) :

http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10036

Then I just keep tweaking it for my use. I just got WAD and found it very customizable. The digital clock is a feature built in, as well as renaming the icons. I just used the icon files already included from the osx.rar in the above thread, linked them to whatever application I use and put the appropriate text. I made some backgrounds, and voila!

You can download my Aston Martin WAD file here:

http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10036&page=9

[silentone]

Does anyone know where I can download the iPhone iconset?

[xvicx]

What tools did you use to do the landscape one? I have all the files. Will like to know how you setup all this together. Because will like to do the same in landscape 320X240 in xml

PS: in landscape one the fish background is all black :(

[rlith]

What tools did you use to do the landscape one? I have all the files. Will like to know how you setup all this together. Because will like to do the same in landscape 320X240 in xml

PS: in landscape one the fish background is all black :(

if you're using WAD, landscape and Portrait are 2 different themes. So you have to apply the wallpaper to the landscape version (as well as icons and positioning)

[510jungleboy]

Wow, thanks everyone who messaged me about my iPhone skin. It's not that hard really. I used Wisbar Advance Desktop and used the iPhone WAD file found here (POST#6) :

http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10036

Then I just keep tweaking it for my use. I just got WAD and found it very customizable. The digital clock is a feature built in, as well as renaming the icons. I just used the icon files already included from the osx.rar in the above thread, linked them to whatever application I use and put the appropriate text. I made some backgrounds, and voila!

You can download my Aston Martin WAD file here:

http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10036&page=9


Can you write a step by step on how to execute all the files to look like yours ? all i got was just the top portion....getting restless..

[rlith]

Can you write a step by step on how to execute all the files to look like yours ? all i got was just the top portion....getting restless..

It's all drag and drop when using wisbar desktop

[510jungleboy]

It's all drag and drop when using wisbar desktop


Sorry to be a pain in the AZZ. heheh how do i drag and drop..kkeke...i'm getting delirious..j/k..i still need help. LIke where do i put the files and stuff...

[rlith]

Sorry to be a pain in the AZZ. heheh how do i drag and drop..kkeke...i'm getting delirious..j/k..i still need help. LIke where do i put the files and stuff...

in your Device\themes\destop folder

[digitalizatt]

I am 99% complete, the only thing I can't figure out to do is to make the grey carbon fiber skin as the background of phone alarm? Am I supposed to rename the png file and another file or what? Any help would be greatly appreciated as it is only showing grey in the background

[Menneisyys]

Finnish computing mag DigiToday compares Apple iPhone, Nokia N95 and HTC P3300:

The Web is full of reports on iPhone (see for example David Shier's excellent report here (http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=14&p=1607&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1)). Finnish language sources, however, may cause problems for the vast majority of my readership; this is why I’ve decided to post a quick note on DigiToday’s latest article, which also contains an easily digestable chart of three “big players”: Nokia’s forthcoming all-in-one device, the N95; iPhone and, finally, HTC’s GPS-, Wi-Fi / BT- and FM radio-enabled, albeit, in some respects, really lacking (no 3G) P3300.

The article / chart can be found here (http://www.digitoday.fi/page.php?page_id=12&news_id=2007699). Some not-that-evident chart translations you may need:

Näyttö: screen; Tuumaa: inches
160 pikseliä tuumalle: 160 pixel/inch; väriä: colors
Tiedonsyöttö: input method; kosketusnäyttö: touch screen; näppäimistö: hardware buttons / controls
Tallennusmuisti: storage memory
Muut yhteydet: other connectivity
Käyttöjärjestelmä: OS
Puheaika: talking time; t (tunti(a)): hours
Saatavuus: availability; myynnissä: being sold; kesäk: June
Muuta: other stuff

(Source: Tero Lehto’s blog (http://lehto.net/blogi/2007/01/apple-iphone-vs-nokia-n95.htm#comments))

BTW, as far as iPhone-related discussions on Finnish boards are concerned, there are quite a few of them (as opposed to, unfortunately, Pocket PC’s). Of them, I recommend THIS (http://www.finlandforthought.net/2007/01/10/apples-new-iphone/#comments) the most (it’s in English).

[sbsshadow]

Hi All

I cant find the dir : in your Device\themes\destop folder

on my Jasjar, any ideas where to put my downloaded theme from lakeridges ?

Thanks all

Steve

[Knotti2015]

pls can somebody send me the files ?

[st3v3]

hey whats the deal with this ?

http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/16/1717220&from=rss

seems someone made the local (and international news?) with the iPhone skins?

hey on theage.com.au news article
http://www.theage.com.au/news/mobiles--handhelds/apple-crunches-websites-over-iphone-skins/2007/01/15/1168709656280.html

you guys get a mention

"Apple therefore demands that you remove this screenshot from your website and refrain from facilitating the further dissemination of Apple's copyrighted material by removing the link to http://forum.xda-developers.com, where said icons and screenshot are being distributed."

[te_les]

could you help me to give me the allblack theme in qvga resolution?
tq

[Eriol]

Hi folks!

I have the HTC Wizard (O2 Xda mini S); on my today screen is a small icon on the right bottom. When I hit it, the comm manager will start. The Wizard has a hardware key to start the comm manager, though. So I would like to get rid of this icon or hide it, so I can get the phonealarm to the bottom.

How can I do this?

Cheers and Thanks,

Eriol

[Tha]

i managed to get most of the settings right,
but my "desktop" only shows 5 icons while i have more links in the phoneAlarm
settings menu.
is there a way to get more icons displayed?
there are some skinning trouble also, but fist i want to fix this

[aNiMeMaN14]

UGH...

ok, i give up, i didn't want it to come to this, but...

Can ANYONE perhaps send me the skin via PM or to my email?

animeman14@gmail.com

It would be GREATLY APPRECIATED! I truly apologize for being a sheep, but this is what I get for not logging on for a week! I miss the good stuff.

[wodeh]

I wrote a damned essay on how the iPhone sucks (I was excited when it was first announced, but then the reality distortion field failed) and how all the HTC devices available put it to complete shame but I took so long my session expired and my post was lost. Oh what the hey, here's the summary:

In short, something as humble as the Xda Orbit, available free on a £35 12month (no 2 years here) contract (or £40 for CoPilot extra) is already available today and pretty much floors the iPhone in every respect but "user friendliness". The iPhone is nothing but an overpriced fashion accessory and a frivilous step away from Apples strength that leaves us iPod owners without a lovely widescreen/multi-touch video iPod upgrade. The Orbit means no $699 initial outlay for something that can't possibly replace an 80GB Video iPod (8gb on the larger model, what the HELL!?) and will have some fraction of the battery life... you get a PDA that makes no promises but delivers more than the iPhone ever will... not to mention thousands upon thousands of free apps/games to tinker with on it. Also the iPhones almost total lack of hardware buttons doesn't really lend itself to user-friendliness.. I thought Apple learnt that lesson when they FINALLY sucked it down and produced a 2 button wheel mouse.

<disclaimer>I am no anti-apple zealot, nor an Apple fanboy. I type this on a Powerbook G4 which I love, own an iPod which I love but contraverely use, work on and support traditional PCs and use, of course, a WM5 PDA Phone. I am simply a free-thinking individual who was affected initially by Job's reality distortion field and now realise just what a fool I was to belive it all.</disclaimer>

[darrin205]

how do u actually download the data

[CWKJ]

could you help me to give me the allblack theme in qvga resolution?
tq
AllBlack was not really good.

Search the forum for AppleBlack.

Anyway you can do it the manual way or create the *.tsk file yourself.

[CWKJ]

Hi folks!

I have the HTC Wizard (O2 Xda mini S); on my today screen is a small icon on the right bottom. When I hit it, the comm manager will start. The Wizard has a hardware key to start the comm manager, though. So I would like to get rid of this icon or hide it, so I can get the phonealarm to the bottom.

How can I do this?

Cheers and Thanks,

Eriol
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=286036&page=45

Read Post #442 & #445.

[djROH]

Can some please send me a link, or send me the skin files?? Would really appreciate it!!

[chamelion]

Can some please send me a link, or send me the skin files?? Would really appreciate it!!


me too please!

[FlashL]

Hi iam also new to this forum and iam very intrested in the iphone icons. I tried making my own but i end up with icons with black spots in them... If any of u could send me the icons set or explain why the spots apear i be very gratfull.

email is Ldehoogh add hotmail dot com

[extraducksauce]

Hi iam also new to this forum and iam very intrested in the iphone icons. I tried making my own but i end up with icons with black spots in them... If any of u could send me the icons set or explain why the spots apear i be very gratfull.

exact same problem for me. want the center to stay white, but ends up being semi-transparent (white outline black center).

[PETER RED]

how sweet is the iphone design :eek: i want one :) :D

[Clayfree]

exact same problem for me. want the center to stay white, but ends up being semi-transparent (white outline black center).


Open the icons in a graphic editor(photoshop or gimp) and remove any pure white(255,255,255). You can pick a color that is slightly but still looks white. That will solve your problem.

[extraducksauce]

Open the icons in a graphic editor(photoshop or gimp) and remove any pure white(255,255,255). You can pick a color that is slightly but still looks white. That will solve your problem.

you're right. i tried it and i worked perfectly.

[jellybeangerman]

Hi,

I've downloaded several of the awesome today screens, but I have no idea of how to install them. Very frustrating for a newbie like myself.

I've downloaded the wisbar upon recomendation to help install these theames etc.

I can't figure it out at all. I've seen some of the default screens that wisbar provides which are pretty ugly.

I'm sorry if this is redundant, but can someone please just give me the step by step in the most dumb-down rendition ever!

So, where I stand right now, I have the wisbar, and the regedit programs, and some zip files of some of these cool today themes saved to my laptop.

Can someone talk me in from here?

Thank you so much.

-Jellybean

[extraducksauce]

i didn't use wisbar, it was a terribl confusing. cLaunch + phone alarm skin was very straight forward and easy to follow. you should really check out deckonologist in depth post:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=289872&highlight=iphone

[mikechannon]

how sweet is the iphone design :eek: i want one :) :D


Sickly:p 'nuf said

Mike

[kdizzle 8125]

So I got my 8125 to look exactly like the Aston Martin (iPhone) skin above, however, my icons are not working via touch screen. They work by the 4-way toggle, but not when I physically tap on the icon with my stylus or finger. Is there a way to activate this? Or is this not supposed to work like this?

Anyone?

Thanks.
:(

[Jonjamesm]

Hi, okay so anyone who has the iphone on their pocket pc, smartphone or whatever, has already committed copyright infringement and is well within their rights to get sued by apple!

So my next question shouldn't be taboo as were all hacker pirates anyway...

Where can I get the registration code for phone-alarm? or a new or older version of phone alarm with a crack?

Your not telling me you all paid for it?... PS to anyone who helps me and is still seeking the Iphone skinning software, in one easy to manage cab file... I have it, it was a b