Crossbow?

[raymondu999]

So is it safe to assume, from all the posts that are disappearing about Crossbow's inhabitance of the Hermes & Mercury platforms, that we cannot yet expect to be able to upgrade (albeit unofficially) to Crossbow OS?

[Sleuth255]

rumors are the the hermes crossbow implementation floating around recently was incomplete. I'm still holding out hope that a version will surface somewhere. I'll be at MEDC in a few months. If there's a final version that runs on hermes, I'll see it there for sure.

[Midget_1990]

May i suggest you read here before you go ;)

(re Buzz's Grabit rom dumper)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=238945

[ionide]

Weren't you at the CES trying to grab a rom Sleuth? :)

[Sleuth255]

There was no Crossbow at the show that I could see. :(

[darkjedi]

At least not on the Hermes...

[raymondu999]

@Midget_1990, I was aware of the ROM dumper, however, it seems that all the Crossbow questions have died down regarding the Hermes.

[turbominor]

microsoft are using the hermes as the depeloment platform for crossbow.

[Sleuth255]

Exactly... which is why I expect to see this at MEDC.

[turbominor]

one of our vista team has it on his hermes, have asked for a copy of the rom..... will see if it appears :-)

[Sleuth255]

Check first to see if it has all the office components :)

[raymondu999]

Yeah, just like they were using the BA for WM5 development. Hmmm... I wonder what device will be used for WM7 development....

[vijay555]

lol, iPhone :)

V

[raymondu999]

Vijay! You're a Macist! Traitor to WM :lol:... please don't hate me... it was meant to be a joke...

[KTamas]

Yeah, just like they were using the BA for WM5 development. Hmmm... I wonder what device will be used for WM7 development....
Nope, they were using Himalaya for WM5. And it was reported on the forums that probably Universal was used for Crossbow.

[raymondu999]

oops... my error... apologies...

[trapper]

one of our vista team has it on his hermes, have asked for a copy of the rom..... will see if it appears :-)

I'd like to hear how that goes. I'm looking at getting a Hermes with T-Mobile, but only if I can get WM6.0 on it.

[Midget_1990]

Nope, they were using Himalaya for WM5. And it was reported on the forums that probably Universal was used for Crossbow.

Correctamundo!

[dutty]

well.. atleast its out officially for the wizard :(
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=289799

[raymondu999]

Can some super genius on the forum port it over :D?

[dutty]

a couple more direct links:
http://www.cnbeta.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&mode=flat&sid=20797

interesting? a topic about wm6.0 on 838:
http://bbs.pdafans.com/thread-313234-1-1.html


i guess we need someone that speaks native chinese :P

[raymondu999]

Hey. THe thread starter's Chinese. And a fluent reader/writer/speaker, too :D

[marthy novak]

Hi,

Do you anythink about this?

[trapper]

In what way?

I'm waiting for it.

[raymondu999]

The HTC Universal now has a WM6/Crossbow ROM. When will it come to us poor Hermes users?

[Timc940]

it would be nice if someone could port the universal build which is avaiable over to the hermes.

[raymondu999]

That seems quite unlikely. The Universal is VGA, and several drivers will have to be cannibalized off from the current ROMs

[dutty]

boy that sucks... i bet the next device to have wm6.0 is the xda2 :)
i always have bad luck with the choice of my devices in regards to upgrading

[marthy novak]

about Windows media 6 testing ROM on HTC Hermes

[darkjedi]

Huh...??? Did that make any sense?

[pof]

Huh...??? Did that make any sense?

It was the answer to trapper above... i merged 2 threads about the same topic and this caused the confusion, sorry :o

[darkjedi]

LOL, ok, just wanted to make sure :)

[Duan]

That seems quite unlikely. The Universal is VGA, and several drivers will have to be cannibalized off from the current ROMs

If I recall correctly, the people who cooked the universal rom specifically had to add a cab to the rom to allow for their screen to work. That in theory means that the unmodified rom would work on the qvga screens.

[Midget_1990]

If I recall correctly, the people who cooked the universal rom specifically had to add a cab to the rom to allow for their screen to work. That in theory means that the unmodified rom would work on the qvga screens.

afaik m$ built a rom for universal, so no cab, support was allready there. but yeah there are qvga roms out there :)

[raymondu999]

afaik m$ built a rom for universal, so no cab, support was allready there. but yeah there are qvga roms out there :)
So in theory the next to benefit from that loophole is none other... than US!!! Yay!!! (NB: US doesn't mean "united states," it's "us" as in the noun "us")

[zwuncki]

If I recall correctly, the people who cooked the universal rom specifically had to add a cab to the rom to allow for their screen to work. That in theory means that the unmodified rom would work on the qvga screens.

if you want the device to work in realvga, yeah, than you need this special ozvga cab. but you always needed that, doesn't matter which OS or rom.
that has nothing to do that the universal rom could be qvga.

[kingryu]

i have spotted a wizard rom of crossbow but i dont know how legit it is
if it was ok would it be even remotely possible to port it to hermes??

[darkjedi]

I'm sort of giving up on Crossbow or even AKU3x ROMS for the TyTN...I mean, older devices are getting these way before a newer device like the Hermes would, so why would we get it in the first place? I think I'm just going to wait for a device to come out that has Crossbow on it.

[raymondu999]

I'm sort of giving up on Crossbow or even AKU3x ROMS for the TyTN...I mean, older devices are getting these way before a newer device like the Hermes would, so why would we get it in the first place? I think I'm just going to wait for a device to come out that has Crossbow on it.
True... hmm... looks like it's time to listen out for HTC Omni news... and HTC Kaiser too...

[Wam7]

i have spotted a wizard rom of crossbow but i dont know how legit it is
if it was ok would it be even remotely possible to port it to hermes??

In a word NO!

Though I would I suspect a version for the Hermes may show up soon. I saw Crossbow for the Universal first, then the Wizard. As each week goes by the tech guys getting deeper into the inner workings of the Hermes. Fingers crossed by February we should see a lot activity concerning ROMS etc for the Hermes.

[Sleuth255]

I'm sort of giving up on Crossbow or even AKU3x ROMS for the TyTN...I mean, older devices are getting these way before a newer device like the Hermes would, so why would we get it in the first place? I think I'm just going to wait for a device to come out that has Crossbow on it.

m$ is using the Hermes as their internal development platform. Don't lose hope! I'll hopefully have more on this in May after I return from MEDC.

You'll see an AKU3.x TyTN rom very soon now.... :)

[spiritofseth]

I was at a microsoft launch event today and i saw a hermes (cingular) running crossbow and I told the rep, hey look at my MDA,, running crossbow haha!
its true though he did have it but wouldnt mention whether it was going to be available or not.

[cybertron]

will Crossbows messenger (e-mail client) use imap Idle?

[belu]

I found tree picture off Crossbow runing under HTC Hermes

http://www.pdaddict.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2114

Edit : This is not a news the picture are take on this Forum :( sorry

[WiFi-Hunter]

Supposedly there is an image of WM6 floating around the internet.

Has anyone tried it on a hermes?

Jake

[darkjedi]

Its only for the Universal, Wizard, and hacked for the Prophet.

[raymondu999]

Wasn't there a Wizard ROM that was once cracked to serve as WM5 on the BA? Couldn't we use the same processes (OMAP-emulation, driver replacement, etc.) To get one of those ROMs working on our Hermes units?

[miguelromerom]

Hi,

It´s posible we´ve wm6 on ours tytn ?¿?¿

thanks and regars

[jompao]

Hi,

It´s posible we´ve wm6 on ours tytn ?¿?¿

thanks and regars

I sure hope so, I really miss e-mail with HTML support.

[Prerna]

You'll see an AKU3.x TyTN rom very soon now.... :)

I confirm that.

[SDinsider]

on hermes :)

[scorpio16v]

on hermes :)
Funny pics.
Posting a running and flashable ROM would be nicer.:D :cool:

[miguelromerom]

I sure hope so, I really miss e-mail with HTML support.

ok thanks for all

[Sleuth255]

Funny pics.
Posting a running and flashable ROM would be nicer.:D :cool:

I second that! :D

[MDAIIIUser]

A picture is worth a 1000 words,

So its out and now all it needs to do is leak onto the net as we seem to get into trouble each time a WM5 or WM6 finds its way onto XDA-Developers.

Time to get my horses out or was it donkeys / mules???

[Sleuth255]

Good point MDAIIIUser.

@all: Just to clarify MDAIIIUser's point: we've been instructed by our mysterious admin leaders that we're to take down Crossbow ROM files posted here if we find them as M$ will get very belligerent with us in short order if we don't. :(

When WM6 is officially released on an HTC device, we'll be able to work on a port for sure. Again, I hope to find out (much) more about WM6 and its targeted devices in May.

[keny]

on hermes :)

WM6 Hermes please send me rom.


Thank you Erik

[darkjedi]

Yeah...your're awesome, sigh.

[koolhand79]

Yea can someone put oput a few clues on how to find the ROM that will work on the Hermes

[dmozk]

Yea can someone put oput a few clues on how to find the ROM that will work on the Hermes


Sure..

1) Wait
2) Read

[futureshock]

is there any flashable crossbow version out there???

[darkjedi]

Do people just not know how to read or what? Quit asking the same question over and over again...it's annoying.

[jullian_d]

can someone with wm6 give us a review...stability, battery life, etc.

[ChaoticDruid]

Do people just not know how to read or what? Quit asking the same question over and over again...it's annoying.

pissy pissy..

[ionide]

But he's right though!

[Prerna]

The pics might as well be of a test rom, which could still contain bugs, although it probably is already stable...

Yup, would not mind trying it ;)

[futureshock]

my question is because i found threads in other forums i think that was wizard or so... wheres the speech about a crossbow rom... they do alot with it today... and i don't know when pics of herems available why no one have it running on its device...

[cyberdrakula]

http://www.engadget.com/photos/samsung-i760-running-crossbow/

Here is Samsung i760 with confirmed crossbow. I don't see no Internet Calling though.

[futureshock]

hi there... in review of crossbow und mainsite also vids of running crossbow..

[mixmasterollie]

Got this direct from HTC this morning:

Dear Oliver, The ROM update for the Tytn is expected in the next 2-3 months, unfortunately we cannot be more accurate at this time. We do not have any information on WM6 at the moment as it has not yet been released. It is unlikely that WM6 will be available for the Tytn. Thank you for your enquiry, Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your Local number can be found at http://www.europe.htc.com/support/cs_by_phone.html Best regards,HTC Supportcallservice@htceurope.comhttp://www.htc.com

[pkhc]

Can anyone tell me where to download WM6 for Hermes:)

[zbee]

Can anyone tell me where to download WM6 for Hermes:)

somewhere over the rainbow...surley you have the abilityy to read other posts?????

[raymondu999]

Can anyone tell me where to download WM6 for Hermes:)

Please read the previous posts. If you do this you risk:
a) annoying other members
b) sounding idiotic

The whole point of this thread is that there IS no Crossbow yet.

[aquasesh]

Can anyone tell me where to download WM6 for Hermes:)

Where can i download A CROSSBOW to shoot those people with a hermes like accuracy?

[moutheater]

Where can i download A CROSSBOW to shoot those people with a hermes like accuracy?

Ok, so people are shooting there Hermes out a crossbow? I always knew there was 101 uses for them. Looks like 102 now.

[whatledog]

2 funny!!! But Hermes never had a crossbow (unfortunately),... just a lyre, flute, maybe some shoes, and a "herald" staff!:p Oh well...

[spiritofseth]

I can confirm that crossbow exists on hermes I saw it at a recent microsoft event for sure with my own eyes but I cant say much else besides its almost ready.

[Sleuth255]

We got pretty definitive pics of it running on a TyTN in this thread too.

[cyberdrakula]

I wonder when my poor HERMES is going to get a leaked crossbow. The SDinsider could do it if wants i guess.

[shogunmark]

its like this guys or gals... when there is a crossbow version that can be publicly leaked then it will be posted here.... until then just relax and wait! :D

[koolhand79]

sounds like a lot of sitting around and waiting. thats no fun

[raymondu999]

So, any news on this whole matter, anyone?

[Sleuth255]

Typically on XDA-developers, you'll see new versions of Windows Mobile ported over to older devices within a month or so of their official release. Crossbow seems a bit different in this respect in that Universal and Wizard builds already exist in the wild. The wraps do seem to be a bit tighter on the Hermes build though.

However, if you look at the respective Universal and Wizard WM6 threads, you'll see that their initial release was very much incomplete; for instance, the original Wizard ROM didn't even have a camera application. There's been a lot of work done here and elsewhere to make those ROMs usable (kudos to all the WM6 ROM cookers :D) and this is all based on the simple fact that ROM cooking on the Wizard and Universal is a well known process with a rich toolset to work with.

While the same "incomplete" WM6 build has been seen in the wild for Hermes devices, it isn't "cookable" because Hermes ROM cooking isn't quite possible yet. Very likely this is why we haven't seen anything here. Perhaps this is a good thing because the Hermes WM6 ROM that does get released will be much more complete and very likely better optimized for the hermes platform itself.

[ahlok_hk]

...
While the same "incomplete" WM6 build has been seen in the wild for Hermes devices, it isn't "cookable" because Hermes ROM cooking isn't quite possible yet. Very likely this is why we haven't seen anything here. Perhaps this is a good thing because the Hermes WM6 ROM that does get released will be much more complete and very likely better optimized for the hermes platform itself.

This is because it seems that most people only cares about how tasty the fruit is but don't care about planting the trees... it is a bit disappointed that no one cares about ROM editing.. :(

[Sleuth255]

I wouldn't be so depressed. Folks like pof and most recently tadzio have made huge advances here. We are very close to cooking... just a few issues with adding files.

Then, the only hurdle that remains will be how to make a nice RUU type installer. But before that, we'll be able to offer os.nb versions that can easily and quickly be flashed with the 1.01MFG bootloader.

That being said, the source for mamaich's tools (which form the basis to all cooked ROMS) is available for those of us who want to mess around. Several good threads exist here as well and I encourage everybody who can work with low level tools to read and participate! Here's the two most relevant threads:

New Custom Roms (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=289377) ... now closed but a great source of information on recent breakthroughs

ROM Cooking and Bootloader 1.01 MFG (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=290206) ... current development track. Post all findings here.

[raymondu999]

Amen to that! Rest assured, we will be the first to know (as we xda-dev forumers usually are) :D if there's a working Crossbow ROM for Hermes

[raymondu999]

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[prettierwendead]

well AKU 3.3 has finally arrived just sitting and hoping for Crossbow PLZ apear soon

[raymondu999]

I second that

[raymondu999]

By GOD! All hail Sleuth!!!

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=294842

[kyphur]

Look here:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=294809