WM6 BA - Will it be leaked, will it be made from scratch, and will it be stable?

[hardingt0110]

Is this ROM ever going to be leaked from microsoft (i presume this was how wm5 be started)?

Porting seems to be very unstable from what I have heard

[Biohead]

A WM5 rom was never released by microsoft, although it was known to exist. It's highly unlikely MS will create a WM6 dev rom for the BA at all.

Remember, the BA originally shipped with WM2003SE. WM5 was a struggle to get working, WM6 should (by an unwritten law) be unable to run on the BA. But there are some gods out there so you never know.

[vijay555]

Many drivers in WM6 are almost exactly the same as WM5 AFAIK. Drivers are normally the big problem, so if you have good drivers for the BA, then it's a possibility.... but don't hold your breath.

V

[hardingt0110]

So was wm5 BA never really created by microsoft?

In that case, who did create it? Did someone do it from scratch?

If they did, why can't they do it in crossbow (wm6 Blue Angel)?

[vijay555]

I think it's a bastard son of a Wizard leak.

V

[kerio]

hardingt0110 :
You still didn't read the wiki and the older threads as I told you few weeks ago:)

But Microsoft is the one who makes OS (WM5, WM2003SE,WM2003,...).
O2, Vodafone, T-Mobile, Cingular... are the ones who adapt WMx to devices.

WM5 for BA has been ported from different (but very similar) device that already comes with WM5 by xda-developers.

You cant buy it (WM6), even if you want:) So be patient

[EQUANCY]

A WM5 rom was never released by microsoft, although it was known to exist. It's highly unlikely MS will create a WM6 dev rom for the BA at all.

Remember, the BA originally shipped with WM2003SE. WM5 was a struggle to get working, WM6 should (by an unwritten law) be unable to run on the BA. But there are some gods out there so you never know.

The Roms never released for devices by microsoft, the producers use and adapt roms for him devices.

If HTC use Wm6 rom for him devices and Reproduce or advance BA to the WM6 or similar device then we can see WM6.

Other side If anybody can write or adapt device drivers that can be... Core software hasn't any driver i think. May be someone can syncronise Wm6 shell and BA (or resemble device) Wm5 drivers
And may be work :)

what a dream huh...

[xplode]

BA WM5 base rom is genuine created for BA, and just the OS (with AKU's and stuff) part was aded to this rom ported from another device.This base rom was leaked by one of the operators

[nht_max]

I suppose that the needed kernel would be created by someone somehow someday, because basically Microsoft creates the new ROM, gives it to the manufacturers, then the manus will try to adapt the ROM to their devices.
As I saw somewhere on the net saying the ROM can be adapted and flashed to any device, as long as the manus manage to write the necessary drivers.v.v...those kinds of stuff. It sounds logical to me. What do you guys think 'bout this?

[fraser]

nht_max, that's what I thought as well but I never said anything, bowing to those who know more about these things. IMHO it is not needed to recompile the kernel unless it's for a new architecture. Proved the correct drivers can be located and they are compatible with WM6, then it should just work.

[nht_max]

Recompiling may be necessary, I think because the new ROM is much different from the old WM5. Though I believe it'll be available some nice day.

[xplode]

Recompiling may be necessary, I think because the new ROM is much different from the old WM5. Though I believe it'll be available some nice day.

You may be right about this, i have ported the OS part to BA rom without any changes in XIP section of rom (old core 5.1.195) and the device with this rom does not boot at all, so if the original core 5.2.x is ported to a BA rom it will work correctly, almost all OS files are related to the WM core, and if a function that they seek is not where it should be unpredicted crashes may occure.

But i think we should wait a lil more before try experiments like this, we have no any documentation about WM6, we don't know how the things work inside, it is similar to WM5 but defenately not the same. We must learn how it works and then port it and modify it to our own taste.

Also the leaked roms are from early beta stage, so they are not so stable and usable as the final version.We should wait a bit for the first official rom and build something stable enough from it for common usage. And i am not talking about BA here i am talking about rom cooking for all devices.

[sostekit]

You may be right about this, i have ported the OS part to BA rom without any changes in XIP section of rom (old core 5.1.195) and the device with this rom does not boot at all, so if the original core 5.2.x is ported to a BA rom it will work correctly, almost all OS files are related to the WM core, and if a function that they seek is not where it should be unpredicted crashes may occure.

But i think we should wait a lil more before try experiments like this, we have no any documentation about WM6, we don't know how the things work inside, it is similar to WM5 but defenately not the same. We must learn how it works and then port it and modify it to our own taste.

Also the leaked roms are from early beta stage, so they are not so stable and usable as the final version.We should wait a bit for the first official rom and build something stable enough from it for common usage. And i am not talking about BA here i am talking about rom cooking for all devices.
Hi,
have u changed coredll.dll in xip boot?
the devices not boot in same mode if u try aku 3.5 and have coredll.dll of aku 3.2

@Tuatara,
please help me for relocating more space in xip boot

[xplode]

of course not, AKU 3.5 runs fine with the old core without problems, but for crossbow the coredll should be changed in order to work, the thing is that it is bigger than the old core.

I have no knowledge of editing XIP, thats why i am stuck at this point, but i have read here on the forums that the coredll.dll can be changed with one with the exact same size, and the crossbow one is bigger.

[sostekit]

of course not, AKU 3.5 runs fine with the old core without problems, but for crossbow the coredll should be changed in order to work, the thing is that it is bigger than the old core.

I have no knowledge of editing XIP, thats why i am stuck at this point, but i have read here on the forums that the coredll.dll can be changed with one with the exact same size, and the crossbow one is bigger.

I have tried to run aku 3.5 with coredll.dll for aku 3.2 (not 3.3) and not working....(but perhaps I mistake method)

I know that there is a way in order to increase and relocate the files in xip with dumpromx but I do not know if it works for the modules (old post Tuatara on xda)
and however I have read that it must edit vdata and pdata in the modules for the just address (oki and sp3dev on buzzdev)
but sp3dev and oki not working on blu devices only tuatara have necessary experience on blu devices and I believe can help

[fraser]

Recompiling may be necessary, I think because the new ROM is much different from the old WM5. You may be right about this, i have ported the OS part to BA rom without any changes in XIP section of rom (old core 5.1.195) and the device with this rom does not boot at all, so if the original core 5.2.x is ported to a BA rom it will work correctly, almost all OS files are related to the WM core, and if a function that they seek is not where it should be unpredicted crashes may occure.
I don't understand this. Recompiling is only required for a different architecture in my experience, but I've not done much with this platform myself. Is it linking in specific BA drivers or something?

Also the leaked roms are from early beta stage, so they are not so stable and usable as the final version.We should wait a bit for the first official rom and build something stable enough from it for common usage. And i am not talking about BA here i am talking about rom cooking for all devices.I agree 100%, though I'm sure some of you will still tinker around. Interesting stuff.

[xplode]

we can use BA wm5 drivers, they should work fine, WM5 is 5.1.x and WM6 is 5.2.x not a major 6.0.x release do the changes are not so drastic and the drivers should work

look at windows windows 2000 uses the same drivers as xp, windows 2000 is NT5 xp is NT5.1

[hardingt0110]

OK guys, thanks for your help.

So basically the main part of the wm5 rom for the BA was made by an unnamed operator, who decided not to release it, but it was leaked to xda-developers.

Then the developers made the aku's and customisations from scratch / ported from other devices, and combined them to make a full wm5 rom.

Some people (xplode and others) seem to think that the wm5 main part rom can be used to host all the bells and whistles from wm6.

So basically, all we need to do is wait untill an official very stable wm6 rom is made for a Blue Angel like device, port it, and we're all set!

Am I right?

Oh, and one last question: is the name for the main part of the rom a "kernel"? thanks,

Always be faithful in the xda-developers,

hardingt0110-1

[hardingt0110]

Looking at other threads, some think it may be necesary to use sd cards as rom.

I have two sd cards (1gb and 2gb) which I swap between on my BA to allow me to have tomtom maps and movies on my device.

Untill now, I have ignored extrom.

Is it possible for me to install the extrom on both cards, so that I can swap them over when I want?

hardingt0110-1

[Tuatara]

Hey There ... I thought I might just come out of the woodwork for a little bit ...

have u changed coredll.dll in xip boot?
@Tuatara,
please help me for relocating more space in xip boot

I know that there is a way in order to increase and relocate the files in xip with dumpromx but I do not know if it works for the modules (old post Tuatara on xda)
and however I have read that it must edit vdata and pdata in the modules for the just address (oki and sp3dev on buzzdev)
but sp3dev and oki not working on blu devices only tuatara have necessary experience on blu devices and I believe can help

I've been quite able to make some space in the XIP section by moving files around (to make space for larger boot registries, etc.), but I haven't had any luck with moving around modules. I think it was mamaich (and/or bepe) who managed to get the new core.dll (which has the new LASS_xxx entry points) into the BA XIP section ... but I haven't had the time to see how they managed it.

I do have the source for RomMaster & dumprom, and will be going through the details at some point - when I have the time (which is always lacking). In the same way as figuring out the Acer ROM for mamaich's tools - I'll need to see if we can dump out and 'move' modules & files around to make the space required. This may just have to be a 'one off' manual hex editing job though (fixing the tables).

While in theory the WM5 drivers should work just fine, a number of our "WM5" drivers are still 2003SE versions. How long we can keep using the old drivers is anyone's guess.

In short - as long as the XIP section contains all of the entry points and support calls required by the 'new' OS, and can start the "new" OS, then the OS portion of the ROM can be replaced. This is what we are doing with the BA now. The XIP section is still (effectively) the original leaked WM5 build, with very little, and as little replaced as possible, but just enough in order to boot the "new" OS, which has been put in the remainder of the ROM.

For reference, you can find a listing of the new functions in core.dll from here:
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobiledocs/

As far as I know (from xda-dev & runour mill) the core.dll entry points have not changed between versions wm5/6 ... but that's not to say that some things don't operate differently.

Only time will tell if we can port/hack wm6 on to a Blue Angel.

[hardingt0110]

One thing that doesn't seem to be being made clear in this thread - the core of wm5/6 depends on 2 files as far as I can see
- nk.exe
- coredll.dll

nk.exe is definitely hardware-specific. The WM6 Wizard version even includes the string "Wizard", likewise BA's WM5 nk.exe includes the string "Bueangel".

With this in mind, I seriously think that a proper WM6 will not be possible on BA until some licensed developer throws a kernel together and leaks it.

If this were to happen, it would make MS and HTC pretty unhappy, and that would not be good for a community like ours that already sits on dodgy legal territory.

Is this really going to happen?

Why do we need a licenced developer? Can't someone who knows about the BA and wm6 from xda-developers make some modifications to the preveous drivers?

hardingt0110

P.S I know we all want this to happen quickly, but I totally agree with the members who think that we need to wait for a stable official version of WM6 comes out for a BA like device. Otherwise we will have bugs before we even start!

hardingt0110

[kerio]

hardingt0110 You have learned nothing. You are just wasting time reading this forum.
Imagine the situation where someone claim 2+2=4 and you ask why? Is there any way to change it?:)

Extrom - http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BA_ERK_Understand

Yeah bloody wiki again:)

[sostekit]

Hey There ... I thought I might just come out of the woodwork for a little bit ...





I've been quite able to make some space in the XIP section by moving files around (to make space for larger boot registries, etc.), but I haven't had any luck with moving around modules. I think it was mamaich (and/or bepe) who managed to get the new core.dll (which has the new LASS_xxx entry points) into the BA XIP section ... but I haven't had the time to see how they managed it.

I do have the source for RomMaster & dumprom, and will be going through the details at some point - when I have the time (which is always lacking). In the same way as figuring out the Acer ROM for mamaich's tools - I'll need to see if we can dump out and 'move' modules & files around to make the space required. This may just have to be a 'one off' manual hex editing job though (fixing the tables).

While in theory the WM5 drivers should work just fine, a number of our "WM5" drivers are still 2003SE versions. How long we can keep using the old drivers is anyone's guess.

In short - as long as the XIP section contains all of the entry points and support calls required by the 'new' OS, and can start the "new" OS, then the OS portion of the ROM can be replaced. This is what we are doing with the BA now. The XIP section is still (effectively) the original leaked WM5 build, with very little, and as little replaced as possible, but just enough in order to boot the "new" OS, which has been put in the remainder of the ROM.

For reference, you can find a listing of the new functions in core.dll from here:
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobiledocs/

As far as I know (from xda-dev & runour mill) the core.dll entry points have not changed between versions wm5/6 ... but that's not to say that some things don't operate differently.

Only time will tell if we can port/hack wm6 on to a Blue Angel.

Thanks Tuatara for reply
I have the same result for change module in xip,
I have tried bepe in pm but it is a lot that I do not see more to it on the forum

Ok I while continue to read and try

[hardingt0110]

hardingt0110 You have learned nothing. You are just wasting time reading this forum.
Imagine the situation where someone claim 2+2=4 and you ask why? Is there any way to change it?:)

Extrom - http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BA_ERK_Understand

Yeah bloody wiki again:)

so I am meant to feel the need to randomly search this wiki for ba_erk_understand?

maybe you should make the wiki a bit more organised!

[remixme]

hardingt0110:
Your insistence on posting the same message in both the WM6 threads is getting tiresome; pick on or the other and stick to it.

You were met with a "read the wiki" response as you have asked the same question or variants thereof more than once. That is usually a friendly nudge to stop asking! ;-)

Bottom line: No-one to my knowledge (at the moment) on xda-developers has a WM6 KERNEL that runs on Blue Angel. This is what we need ideally, as the kernel seems to be UNIQUE to each device.

Are their ways round this?.... maybe... people in the know are trying their best. But a leaked kernel seems to be the best opportunity.

[hardingt0110]

So is anyone going to leak a kernel? Is there a BA enthusiast operator/developer out there who will leak a kernel to us?

[bepe]

I'm working on that, but it is not as easy as last time with the coredll.dll for AKU 2+. This time I replaced the coredll and the device did not even boot.
Not sure it will even be possible, but I'm trying another way now; I'll use the whole WM6 XIP section and include the drivers for another device...

[xplode]

hi bepe, nice to hear that you working crossbow

i wish you luck with this

[thingonaspring]

Thanks bepe for putting your effort into this. I've been banging my head against that XIP section for a while now with no positive results.
Good to see it being attempted by someone with a realistic chance of making it work ;-)

[imatrix]

Thanks bepe for putting your effort into this. I've been banging my head against that XIP section for a while now with no positive results.
Good to see it being attempted by someone with a realistic chance of making it work ;-)

i agreed, we have better chance by having an experience rom porter and developer to work on it. i hope mamiach could spare some of his valueable time to look into it as well. thanks guys

[ahassouna]

My prayers and condolences goes to you and your families

GO GET EM BOYSSS!!!

[sostekit]

I'm working on that, but it is not as easy as last time with the coredll.dll for AKU 2+. This time I replaced the coredll and the device did not even boot.
Not sure it will even be possible, but I'm trying another way now; I'll use the whole WM6 XIP section and include the drivers for another device...

Hi bepe,
I am happy that you work already on the xip of the wm6... :)
I have tried also in this way but me the same problem is introduced when I try to replace nk.exe module (but probably I do not have the acquaintance necessary in order to execute these maneuvers)

[TofClock]

I'm working on that, but it is not as easy as last time with the coredll.dll for AKU 2+. This time I replaced the coredll and the device did not even boot.
Not sure it will even be possible, but I'm trying another way now; I'll use the whole WM6 XIP section and include the drivers for another device...

he he , hello bepe :)

i'm working too on wm6 !!
i'm unable to extract xip section ...
i've tried dumprom , dumpromx ...

it semms to work , but nothing apears in any folder ...

i've tried this

dumprom -5 -d TEST os.nb
dumpromx -5 -d TEST os.nb

and nothing work ... :/

Can you point me in right direction ?

[xplode]

try itsme perl scripts (dumpxip.pl)

something like this

perl dumpxip.pl -d . nk.nba > xip.txt

but it is only for dumping, i don't know how to insert xip back to rom image

[xplode]

Here (ftp://xda:xda@ftp.xda-developers.com/Uploads/Blue%20Angel/wm6xip.rar) is the xip extracted by this method from WM6 WWE rom for wizard

[sostekit]

he he , hello bepe :)

i'm working too on wm6 !!
i'm unable to extract xip section ...
i've tried dumprom , dumpromx ...

it semms to work , but nothing apears in any folder ...

i've tried this

dumprom -5 -d TEST os.nb
dumpromx -5 -d TEST os.nb

and nothing work ... :/

Can you point me in right direction ?

Hi TofClock,
try dumprom xip.bin -d xxx -5
xxx = An existing path and folder (Es c:\test) not use long name for the folder
xip.bin = name of xip extracted from rommaster

[thingonaspring]

Hi TofClock

to dump XIP section from the wizard rom, I load the NBA into a hex editor and delete the first 30FFFF bytes. First 4 bytes of the resulting file are then "FE 03 00 EA" just as at the start of BA's XIP section.

Save the truncated file as "wiz.xip", then do
mkdir dumpy
dumprom -5 -d dumpy wiz.xip

You can then use dumprom and dumpromx to add/remove files/modules in the resulting truncated file.
When you have a test candidate XIP section, just paste the 30FFFF bytes back onto the start of it, encrypt and flash as normal.

I lost my notes on where the universal's XIP section is, due to concentrating on wizard, but looking around 0x30000 for the same 4 byte series "FE 03 00 EA" will get you there.

[hardingt0110]

Hi,

I am very encouraged by how many people in the know who have volounteered to help with this. Best of luck guys!

The number of views on windows mobile 6 threads alone shows how many people would thank you for this!

So, when will crossbow be officially released, so that we can make a stable version (1.0 not 0.1 for universal)?

[sostekit]

Hi TofClock

I lost my notes on where the universal's XIP section is, due to concentrating on wizard, but looking around 0x30000 for the same 4 byte series "FE 03 00 EA" will get you there.

Hi,
the address of start xip are:
for bluangel 0x001C0080
for himalaya 0x001C0040
for universal 0x00310000
for wizard 0x00310000
:)

[TofClock]

Thanks all :)

Working on this :)

[helmi_c]

Blueangel - Extract the XIP part and dump coredll.dll as a module.
mkdir xip2
RomMaster.exe nk.nba -w 5 -b 0x001C0080 -x -o xip2.nb
dumpromx.exe xip2.nb -f coredll.dll -d xip2 -5
dumpromx.exe xip2.nb -f ceddk.dll -d xip2 -5


Hima - Extract the XIP part and dump coredll.dll as a module.
mkdir xip2
RomMaster.exe nk.nba -w 5 -b 0x001C0040 -x -o xip2.nb
dumpromx.exe xip2.nb -f coredll.dll -d xip2 -5
dumpromx.exe xip2.nb -f ceddk.dll -d xip2 -5


Wizard - Extract the XIP part and dump coredll.dll as a module.
mkdir xip2
RomMaster.exe 80040000-OS.nb -w 5 -b 0x00310000 -x -o xip2.nb
dumpromx.exe xip2.nb -f coredll.dll -d xip2 -5
dumpromx.exe xip2.nb -f ceddk.dll -d xip2 -5
dumpromx.exe xip2.nb -f nk.exe -d xip2 -5
dumpromx.exe xip2.nb -f regenum.dll -d xip2 -5

Universal - Extract the XIP part and dump coredll.dll as a module.
mkdir xip2
RomMaster.exe nk.nba -w 5 -b 0x00310000 -x -o xip2.nb
dumpromx.exe xip2.nb -f coredll.dll -d xip2 -5
dumpromx.exe xip2.nb -f nk.exe -d xip2 -5
dumpromx.exe xip2.nb -f regenum.dll -d xip2 -5

thats the syntax I know with rommaster & dumpromx to produce xip modules... But still, I cant make the device (BA) boot with wm6...

[TofClock]

Blueangel - Extract the XIP part and dump coredll.dll as a module.


Hima - Extract the XIP part and dump coredll.dll as a module.


Wizard - Extract the XIP part and dump coredll.dll as a module.


Universal - Extract the XIP part and dump coredll.dll as a module.


thats the syntax I know with rommaster & dumpromx to produce xip modules... But still, I cant make the device (BA) boot with wm6...


hi helmi_c , good work :)

i'm actually analysing xip chain of wizard wm6 ... i think dumpromx produce bad modules ...

i'm not sure , but i think i can extract exactly a xip module ....
to be sure , i need some stuff ....
i'll post a request in wizard forum

[hardingt0110]

Great work - I hope the extraction goes well!

So which is the best to use - wizard or universal.

They are both like the BA in different ways

[xplode]

more easy will be wizard rom, because it is a qvga device

[hardingt0110]

Great, so if developing starts with the version 0.1, will it be easy to use the same coredll / xip files when more stable versions come out?

[nht_max]

I'm working on that, but it is not as easy as last time with the coredll.dll for AKU 2+. This time I replaced the coredll and the device did not even boot.
Not sure it will even be possible, but I'm trying another way now; I'll use the whole WM6 XIP section and include the drivers for another device...

I believe you'll get it as usual, bepe. Lots of thanks for your great tools for editing WM5 and still waiting each day for your new release for the brand-new WM6.

[rnbguy]

good luck with it guys, i cant wait to get WM6 on my IIs, please change the front page of this post to mension if it has been done... its not good going through pages to find if it has been released as apose to seing it on front of post

[TofClock]

ok , that's really was that i think .....

helmi_c , bepe , xplode , and all rom makers ....
do you remember a mamaich's tool called test_dump.exe ? this tool need to be running from sdcard and create a folder DUMP on it ...
in the dump folder , two others called FILES and MODULES ....

i've a crossbow WWE dump with this method ..

the coredll.dll file is THE SAME AS coredll.dll produced with rommaster/dumpromx tool

mamaich said his test_dump tool produce bad files .... so ....

[wizrad]

Just wanted to say thanks to you guys for putting effort into getting this running on the BA. My only fear is that it will be impossible for the cdma version of the BA. Although I'm still hoping that it can and will run on the cdma version. Thus allowing me to skip from 2003SE to WM6 what a coup that would be!

All of that sad. Good luck ! and i've got my fingers crossed for you.

[xplode]

TofClock

compare them with the xip files(coredll.dll) i have dumped with itsme perl scripts, the link is in a previous post of mine in this thread

[mapleshadow]

Appreciate these xip informations that each superior provides very much, but is my woulding like to ask to how find out?Each model has, so atom you can find out?Telling us the method me perhaps to do by myself can also thank!

[helmi_c]

ok , that's really was that i think .....

helmi_c , bepe , xplode , and all rom makers ....
do you remember a mamaich's tool called test_dump.exe ? this tool need to be running from sdcard and create a folder DUMP on it ...
in the dump folder , two others called FILES and MODULES ....

i've a crossbow WWE dump with this method ..

the coredll.dll file is THE SAME AS coredll.dll produced with rommaster/dumpromx tool

mamaich said his test_dump tool produce bad files .... so ....

yes, mamaich said that the header is not corect and unusable to other device... this wm6 stuff is bugging my head...lol..

btw check ur PM...:)

[mapleshadow]

Are the keys defined out of the dump folder? If I deal with the nk.nba file using the rom kitchen way and the address of device is not modified to the corresponding device's in batch file, will the keyboard be unavailable?

[hardingt0110]

good luck with it guys, i cant wait to get WM6 on my IIs, please change the front page of this post to mension if it has been done... its not good going through pages to find if it has been released as apose to seing it on front of post


sure, I will do this when the brain-boxes have done their work, and crossbow is released!

Good luck guys, keep it up!

[sostekit]

yes, mamaich said that the header is not corect and unusable to other device... this wm6 stuff is bugging my head...lol..

btw check ur PM...:)
Hi all,
not use module produced by dumprom or dumpromx
I need tool can extract module in a format like imgfstool
S000,S001,S002 etc. etc.
This data are safe and can be replaced in xip (manipolate address)
I have tried to replaced entire xip from xip of wizard for more space
and replace nk.exe (platform dipendent)
I think this is a way (but perhaps me mistake)

[hardingt0110]

Hi all,
not use module produced by dumprom or dumpromx
I need tool can extract module in a format like imgfstool
S000,S001,S002 etc. etc.
This data are safe and can be replaced in xip (manipolate address)
I have tried to replaced entire xip from xip of wizard for more space
and replace nk.exe (platform dipendent)
I think this is a way (but perhaps me mistake)


pretty much, the wizard seems to be the way to go.

[hardingt0110]

Is crossbow for wizard actually an official leak, or is it already ported? Over in the Wizard section of the forum, everyone's moaning about battery leaks and other bugs.

[xplode]

It is an early beta

[bepe]

Little status update...
I've made a tool to dump/edit/build the xip section. This is a working beta! I'm releasing this in this early state cos everyone working on this might need that
You should know what you are doing for using this!

I'm sure it is possible to destroy your device by using this, but that's your own risk!

Some things about the tool:
- extract the xip section to xip.bin into the tool's folder
- the "write xip to" hex value is for Universal roms
- use 'write maps' ro rewrite the maps to see the result of your changes
- edit the txt files to modify the rom (not MAP.txt, MAP.physical.txt)

numfiles: (00000009) <- changing has no effect
physfirst: P=90540000 <- this is the value of P (same for R)
pExtensions: P+00002F84 <- add value of P (same for R)

[imatrix]

thanks bepe

[sostekit]

Little status update...
I've made a tool to dump/edit/build the xip section. This is a working beta! I'm releasing this in this early state cos everyone working on this might need that
You should know what you are doing for using this!

I'm sure it is possible to destroy your device by using this, but that's your own risk!


Great bepe, mythical like always :)
I put myself to the job, we hope not to destroy also this.........

[hardingt0110]

I put myself to the job, we hope not to destroy also this.........

What do you mean by this?

[sostekit]

What do you mean by this?
I put myself to the job = beginning to try the new xip
we hope not to destroy also this = I hope not to destroy the bluangel

Excuse for my bad English I am Italian and this is traslated automatically
and corrected for what I know ;)

[mapleshadow]

This method can be used for other equipment incorrect?

[TofClock]

Little status update...
I've made a tool to dump/edit/build the xip section. This is a working beta! I'm releasing this in this early state cos everyone working on this might need that
You should know what you are doing for using this!

I'm sure it is possible to destroy your device by using this, but that's your own risk!

Some things about the tool:
- extract the xip section to xip.bin into the tool's folder
- the "write xip to" hex value is for Universal roms
- use 'write maps' ro rewrite the maps to see the result of your changes
- edit the txt files to modify the rom (not MAP.txt, MAP.physical.txt)

numfiles: (00000009) <- changing has no effect
physfirst: P=90540000 <- this is the value of P (same for R)
pExtensions: P+00002F84 <- add value of P (same for R)


Oh oh , really great tool bepe :)

thanks for your work :)

[fraser]

Guys, this is all really cool, but as WM6 is still in early beta, would it be possible for some attention to be paid towards releasing updates for the AKU 3.5 ROMs? Most of them now have fixes that need to be installed and I'd much rather see the lion-share of the work being done on ROMs that people will actually using. I've been "expecting" an update for about a month now but no one has released anything new except logout and I don't really trust that one given the earlier controversy and the fact that they are posted up by people that are not the author.

[TofClock]

hum ....
i don't underdstand everything .....

the xip part is not in one part on the rom ??

why if i extract the xip with rommaster , i can't retrieve it on nk.nba ?

Another question ... What is the exactly size of wizard crossbow wwe wm6.0 ?

[TofClock]

Hima - Extract the XIP part and dump coredll.dll as a module.

mkdir xip2
RomMaster.exe nk.nba -w 5 -b 0x001C0040 -x -o xip2.nb
dumpromx.exe xip2.nb -f coredll.dll -d xip2 -5
dumpromx.exe xip2.nb -f ceddk.dll -d xip2 -5



hum ... what's your rommaster version ?
mine is v2.2 and i've not the -b option ...

i've tried some things and i can't extract xip himalaya rom ....

[thingonaspring]

Hey TofClock

The XIP section is in one part of the ROM, see Helmi's earlier post in this thread detailing how to extract just that XIP section from BA, wizard, universal and himalaya roms.

==EDIT==
I'm not being clear enough here - dump the XIP section with rommaster to "xip2.nb" as shown in your post, rename "xip2.nb" to "xip.bin", then use Bepe's tool to dump that bin file. The result is a dir "OUT" full of files/modules.
==EDIT==

The Wizard XIP section is 2662kb, BA is slightly smaller (2532ish kb).

What's confusing me about this otherwise fantastic new tool is the significance of the P+R values mentioned by Bepe in his post.

Can anyone clear up what these values are in the context of a module's TXT file and in the context of the rom header TXT files?

I have managed to create a BA XIP section with Wizard's coredll.dll and inject it back into a WM5 ROM as a test, but it fails to boot fully (backlight comes on, coloured bars, format device, no further) . I'd really like to know where P+R come into things so I can investigate further.

[iamwin]

god bless to you guys!!! i'll be waiting for your success in wm6 for blue angels!!!

[nebula]

i hope i will se my BA with WM6 hope hope ....

[mrDev]

I put myself to the job = beginning to try the new xip
we hope not to destroy also this = I hope not to destroy the bluangel

Excuse for my bad English I am Italian and this is traslated automatically
and corrected for what I know ;)

I hope you don't destroy your device and you'll be able to port WM6 to our Hymalaya. Your italian roms are very good! :)
Do you make any progress? May we hope to have WM6 on our Hymalaya?

Thanks for all!

[EQUANCY]

Why not for our Devices I don't understand that.
BA stronger than Wizard i think,

http://www.filefactory.com/dlf/f/2fb10d/b/6/h/9a437e8c1e2de26c/j/1171380983

I don't know is that original or remake rom,

May be Helmi_c ,mamaich and other Rom Makers interests this rom.
I wish :)

Thanks.

[nht_max]

Is there any progress with the work? There're more and more devices with WM6 out there, just feel sorry for the beloved BA.

[xplode]

Why not for our Devices I don't understand that.
BA stronger than Wizard i think,

http://www.filefactory.com/dlf/f/2fb10d/b/6/h/9a437e8c1e2de26c/j/1171380983

I don't know is that original or remake rom,

May be Helmi_c ,mamaich and other Rom Makers interests this rom.
I wish :)

Thanks.

you are right, but BA and HIMA have 32 mb rom space and WIZ and UNI has 64 mb

[BA_Flash_GOD]

Is there any progress with the work? There're more and more devices with WM6 out there, just feel sorry for the beloved BA.

What devices have you seen available to buy that have WM6 preloaded? Shouldn't be any at this point. I think that all the crossbow buzz and people sending messages to M$ asking them to give it to us for free (haha still amazed why they tried that) is what made them say screw these people, and shut down the free roms on here.

They were very clear in the beginning, people just want to mooch instead of actually buy a new device. If you use the phone that much and need something better, buy it.

[EQUANCY]

you are right, but BA and HIMA have 32 mb rom space and WIZ and UNI has 64 mb

You mean BA hasn't enough rom for WM6?

May be some cutting operations over unwanted softwares can work :)

Ehehehe...

( I heard something about installing Windows on Commodore with cut-out and reengineering method. "I don't know that's true or not.")

Or...

Any exe, dll compression?

Thanks.

[RICHIE10979]

if we've not got enuff memory could we use a memory card sumhow

[hardingt0110]

hmmm...

I understood that it could all be added to the extrom - please read previous pages.

May be wrong though, thats just what I understood

[xplode]

In theory:

1.Create booting WM6 rom (WM6XIP+Just needed files to boot)
2.Add everything else to the extrom on the storage card

it is really hard to create bootable WM6 i gave up on trying, but Bepe and TofClock are still working on it as far as i know

[bepe]

I've given up on that too... I think the WM5 core (nk.exe) is not compatible to WM6... so there will not be any WM6 for Himalaya or BA

[meehaa]

the days that are no more.., end of tunnel

[nht_max]

What devices have you seen available to buy that have WM6 preloaded? Shouldn't be any at this point. I think that all the crossbow buzz and people sending messages to M$ asking them to give it to us for free (haha still amazed why they tried that) is what made them say screw these people, and shut down the free roms on here.

They were very clear in the beginning, people just want to mooch instead of actually buy a new device. If you use the phone that much and need something better, buy it.

Well I mean the edited-leaked-beta crossbow man, not official right now.

[nht_max]

I'm still sticking to the hope that at the end of the tunnel there's a light ;-)

[hardingt0110]

This is a shame - Windows Mobile 6 looked so good.

TofClock seemed to be getting somewhere - how are you doing?

[hardingt0110]

So WM6 will not come to our BA screens?

Sad :(

[ozmanic]

very sad...damit.

[fraser]

I suspect that the WM6 stuff is why Microsoft squeezed the ROM archive.

[hardingt0110]

OK, well we should keep quiet until it really comes out then...

[xplode]

The WM6 SDK's are out now, so the WM6 Emulator Images

Just a thought, what if WM6 can be ported to Himalaya, or Blueangel ?

Has anyone tryed this yet ?

[hardingt0110]

The WM6 SDK's are out now, so the WM6 Emulator Images

Just a thought, what if WM6 can be ported to Himalaya, or Blueangel ?

Has anyone tryed this yet ?

Isn't this what people have already tried, porting roms from universal and wizard?

maybe this is different?

[ozmanic]

read this.maybe there is a hope..
answer to my question bout possibility for a WM6 update for blue angel:



Thank you for contacting HTC Europe regarding a query about Windows Mobile 6.

We are currently awaiting an official response from our Head Office on the matter of ROM updates from Windows Mobile 5.0 to Windows Mobile 6. We hope to have an answer for you soon.? Please contact us again in a few weeks and we may be able to give you an update.

Thank you for your enquiry, Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your Local number can be found at http://www.europe.htc.com/support/cs_by_phone.html

Best regards,
HTC Support
callservice@htceurope.com
http://www.htc.com

[hardingt0110]

read this.maybe there is a hope..
answer to my question bout possibility for a WM6 update for blue angel:

I find it unlikely that there will be an official wm6 update if there was no wm5 :(

[ssongkiat]

I' waiting for WM6 BA

[hardingt0110]

I' waiting for WM6 BA

Yes, WE ALL ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:confused:

[xplode]

Why do you all just wait, try to do something, read , learn and try for yourself.

[noyu]

Join the thread!

I'm in for this when it becomes available:)

[hardingt0110]

trouble is it is so risky for a person who isn't a BA guru to try this - the BA could get bricked

[meehaa]

trouble is it is so risky for a person who isn't a BA guru to try this - the BA could get bricked

????????????

[hardingt0110]

????????????

xplode asked us to try to do something, so I am trying, but as I am not experienced with the BA, I will not be risking its "health" by trying to port wm6 to it. That does not mean that I am suggesting people do not try this, I just wanted to let you know

as for your original message:
...calm... ...down...
...take... ...deep... ...breaths...

[noyu]

xplode asked us to try to do something, so I am trying, but as I am not experienced with the BA, I will not be risking its "health" by trying to port wm6 to it. That does not mean that I am suggesting people do not try this, I just wanted to let you know

as for your original message:
...calm... ...down...
...take... ...deep... ...breaths...


I agreed

Someone has the knowledge and capable to to do this may chime in and get us all some info!

[kamiar]

i just found this, i dont know if it helps:

DOWNLOAD

http://rapidshare.com/files/18292788/WM6CB.rar


PASSWORD

apadanagroup

[meehaa]

if its not for BA u may brick ur device

[hardingt0110]

i just found this, i dont know if it helps:

DOWNLOAD

http://rapidshare.com/files/18292788/WM6CB.rar


PASSWORD

apadanagroup

I believe this one is for the Universal.

[xplode]

:)
you believe right

[hardingt0110]

:)
you believe right

In that case, is it any different to previous roms?:confused:

[xplode]

The newest one is the hermes one (latest build)

[hardingt0110]

But this still will not port to the BA?

I have limited knowledge of porting: does the rom have to be tampered with to get the device to boot, or must it boot on the original rom?

[Biohead]

A lot of work is required to get WM6 on the BA. I've had a look at it myself, and I know how much effort is going to be needed.

I severely doubt we'll ever see WM6 on a BA.

[hardingt0110]

A lot of work is required to get WM6 on the BA.

So you think it's possible? If it is, then it will happen:cool: :D :o :rolleyes:

[Biohead]

I think it's possible, but I don't think we have the tools to do it with.

[hardingt0110]

I think it's possible, but I don't think we have the tools to do it with.


I could help with this. I am an unexperienced BASIC programmer, and good at searching the internet.

What do we need to do?

[xplode]

we just need compatible nk.exe with blueangel from WM6, and it may work

[rizortiz]

ei,

how i wish i cud see wm6 with my BA..
you can do it dudes.. we believe in you guys out there!! =)

mabuhay xda community...

[kerio]

hardingt0110 : This is the biggest bullshit you have ever said... (and good at searching the internet.)
Just look at your history(post) - you were asking questions already answered in wiki and forum. Or even reading through this forum is enough:)
---
edit: You can always use google to search in here/there (average human can do it)

Example : I am looking for a moron... :) "moron site:xda-developers.com"

[hardingt0110]

hardingt0110 : This is the biggest ******** you have ever said... (and good at searching the internet.)
Just look at your history(post) - you were asking questions already answered in wiki and forum. Or even reading through this forum is enough:)

The forum has quite a lousyy search feature :p

You could really try to help yourself, instead of sitting around watching. Im offering to help.

[hardingt0110]

we just need compatible nk.exe with blueangel from WM6, and it may work

So this needs to be created by a manufacturer or can it be edited from an existing one? Can the drivers be edited?

[meehaa]

hardingt0110 : This is the biggest bullshit you have ever said... (and good at searching the internet.)
Just look at your history(post) - you were asking questions already answered in wiki and forum. Or even reading through this forum is enough:)
---
edit: You can always use google to search in here/there (average human can do it)

Example : I am looking for a moron... :) "moron site:xda-developers.com"

I accept, look at ur history,hardingt0110 it would be good if u could hav looked what u posted before

[ozmanic]

we just need compatible nk.exe with blueangel from WM6, and it may work


xplode you've tried this tool?

"ViewBin"

maybe it helps you.

and that:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/247651/en<--tells why roms dont boot-up
The SOURCES files that need to be changed in the CEPC sample platform are listed here. An original equipment manufacturer (OEM) platform has a similar set of files that must be updated: • Platform\Cepc\Kernel\Buildexe\Nokd\Sources
• Platform\Cepc\Kernel\Buildexe\Withkd\Sources
• Platform\Cepc\Kernel\Buildexe\Profiler\Sources
• Platform\Cepc\Kernel\Buildexe\Profkd\Sources

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms904308.aspx<-how to build an pcoketpc os-image

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/embedded/aa731296.aspx<--video:Introdution to Platform Builder with CE6Beta

(sorry,i'm reading alot of things newadays..to understand how this roms work.maybe its helpful to you.)

[ssongkiat]

Good work. Thanks.

[noyu]

Good work. Thanks.


SO DOES THAT MEAN WE HAVE HOPE???:D

[Biohead]

Are there any tools out there that can decompile the kernel (nk.exe)?

I was thinking perhaps if we get a Universal WM5 nk.exe, then compare it to a WM6 nk.exe, we could make similar changes to our BA nk.exe to get a custom WM6 kernel. Once thats done, we'd still need the rest of the rom but its an idea.

Obviously, if there's no tools to do it with, it won't happen.

[BA_Flash_GOD]

been about 3 months for me to post in here, but hey I suggest if you want WM6 that bad either just buy a wizard because they're cheap now, or sell your BA (I sold one of mine on ebay for over $300+ with shipping+extras) and got a NIB G3 wizard for $249 shipped.

My two cents, BA is nice if you run a lot of apps, resolution not so hot with 240x320 via 3.5", but I use my device as a phone more so I opt'ed for the smaller Wizard.

my opinion, you can't beat wm6, from appearance to functionality. ya heard!

[ozmanic]

we just need compatible nk.exe with blueangel from WM6, and it may work

software to edit .exe files:

Resource Hacker or PE Explorer

[EQUANCY]

What will give Windows Mobile 6 to us?
How can we know this is completely pass for Blueangel?
Yeah it's a good dream I know and I want too but, I think WM6 don't give better performance and other good thinks.
Because, Basic platform is different. We have still hardware problems with WM5,
wifi, bluetooth, camera etc...
Changing api's changing kernels a lot other ideas, what will give us?
I think blueangel will never have WM6...
And we don't need...
Thanks...

[xplode]

What will give Windows Mobile 6 to us?

Not much but enough:
1.HTML Support in emails
2.Integrated Smart Dialing
3.Better Integration with Office 2007 and Exchange Server 2007
5.Remote desktop Connection software which is a lot better than Terminal services in WM5
6.Improved security a lot
7.Improved Outlook a lot ( not just the html support but integration with contacts, tasks, phone logs)
8.Encryption
9.Bundled IP-telephony (VoIP, SIP standard)

there may be more features that i forgot to write about

If those fetures are not needed by you, just stick with WM5(or maybe Shipped 2003SE). I prefer WM6 personally.

We have still hardware problems with WM5,wifi, bluetooth, camera etc...

We will have the same problems with WM6

I think blueangel will never have WM6

Sure, maybe, maybe not.

And we don't need...

Some of us need it

[zard]

Not much but enough:
1.HTML Support in emails
2.Integrated Smart Dialing
3.Better Integration with Office 2007 and Exchange Server 2007
5.Remote desktop Connection software which is a lot better than Terminal services in WM5
6.Improved security a lot
7.Improved Outlook a lot ( not just the html support but integration with contacts, tasks, phone logs)
8.Encryption
9.Bundled IP-telephony (VoIP, SIP standard)

there may be more features that i forgot to write about

If those fetures are not needed by you, just stick with WM5(or maybe Shipped 2003SE). I prefer WM6 personally.



We will have the same problems with WM6



Sure, maybe, maybe not.



Some of us need it

I agree with Xplode that some of us will need it.

I was a palm user but I hated the palm pda phones (ugly looking antannae). Then I was convinced by my nephew to try ppc with phone function. I used WM 2003SE for a long time and only in August last year, I took up the courage to try one of Helmi's WM5 rom and I never looked back. When the pagefile size trick was found, that put another reason in for me that my BA is still well and alive.

This is probably the first phone that I could managed not to change and I definitely hope that WM6 can come to BA and extend my use of BA. My office is already on Vista and Office 2007 and the better integration of Office 2007 from WM6 is definitely welcome.

[Novembre5]

I have been following this post now since it has first been listed. I noticed that at first there was a lot of activity on this post and then it just came to a stop. I have been doing a lot of research on WM6 roms and Ron Kitchens. I have been trying to download a WM6 rom kitchen and have had no luck in finding one. Does anyone have any further info on the process of porting WM6 onto our BA devices or any link to a Rom Kitchen that I can download to try and make a working rom for our device. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

[noyu]

I have been following this post now since it has first been listed. I noticed that at first there was a lot of activity on this post and then it just came to a stop. I have been doing a lot of research on WM6 roms and Ron Kitchens. I have been trying to download a WM6 rom kitchen and have had no luck in finding one. Does anyone have any further info on the process of porting WM6 onto our BA devices or any link to a Rom Kitchen that I can download to try and make a working rom for our device. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

I came across this link here not sure if its helpful but here it is:


http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3636950/WM6.Crossbow.WWE.HTC.Wizard.v5.2.660-sck

[EQUANCY]

Not much but enough:
1.HTML Support in emails
2.Integrated Smart Dialing
3.Better Integration with Office 2007 and Exchange Server 2007
5.Remote desktop Connection software which is a lot better than Terminal services in WM5
6.Improved security a lot
7.Improved Outlook a lot ( not just the html support but integration with contacts, tasks, phone logs)
8.Encryption
9.Bundled IP-telephony (VoIP, SIP standard)

there may be more features that i forgot to write about

If those fetures are not needed by you, just stick with WM5(or maybe Shipped 2003SE). I prefer WM6 personally.



We will have the same problems with WM6



Sure, maybe, maybe not.



Some of us need it

Wonderful, :)

1.HTML Support in emails
What do you mean with HTML support?, Opera already gives a lot of function when using email..., I can use opera almost firefox.
And you may use outlook softwares for html supporting...( I think that is possible )

2.Integrated Smart Dialing

....


3.Better Integration with Office 2007 and Exchange Server 2007

What do you mean with office 2007?
Word?
Excel?
PowerPoint?
I won't write about other office programs..
Or...
Do you mean macros and other special office functions?
Wm6 doesn't support them too.
Exchange server a professional office software and need experiment i think?
and for bussiness... So you are bussiness man?

5.Remote desktop Connection software which is a lot better than Terminal services in WM5

It's only a pda friend, not a core2duo :)
Remote Desktop Connection,
why do you need?
Desktop syncronisation?
Accessing your computer at everywhere?
Remoting your computer?
Come on...
how do you know it's better, did you compare anytime?
How it's works?

6.Improved security a lot

Microsoft never can improve security...

7.Improved Outlook a lot ( not just the html support but integration with contacts, tasks, phone logs)

It's may be useful...

8.Encryption

You can encrypt allthings with additional softwares so beter than Ms based encrytions.

9.Bundled IP-telephony (VoIP, SIP standard)

GPRS never enough for VoIP and Wifi enough for skype :)


I tell you why i want to get Wm6...

If Windows Mobile 2006 have...

1- Phone functions better than Windows Mobile 2005
2- Wifi works better than Windows Mobile 2005
3- Battery during time longer than Windows Mobile 2005
4- GSM services and GPRS useful and speeder than Windows Mobile 2005
5- Ms Office have macros, commands, math functions and animated gif support.
6- Have more useful startmenu and shortcuts...
7- Better file management and smallest file sizes.

etc...

Now,
is Wm2005 better than Wm2003 about that subjects?
Yes, I'v seen,
Have we any idea about REAL wm6 based HTC device yet?
No, just yet...

Yes; you'v right, people may want to try,
and you''v right about I don't want try too...
But may be I'll (want) use it too...
But I want to say only...

We must give first priority to WM5,
Because almost of BA device users have Wm5, and they have problems ( I'm too )
You are good rom maker, and your rom so good,
And I think you can improve your Wm5 to the best and this will useful and greateful than Wm6 work.
and other rom makers,
We've trusted your experience, engineering.
you are working so hard...
Don't make a trouble with Wm6 too...
Thanks.

[double_ofour]

Dont forget the stability and performance of WM6 compared to WM5

[EQUANCY]

How do you get is Windows Mobile 6 will run better than Wm5 on BA?
yeah there is a lot of differents between wm3 and wm5,
Our BA's almost have Wm5...
but htc wizard can use Windows Mobile 2005 better than BA.
Yeah we can use almost every functions in Wm5 but not perfect,
HTC Wizard has 200 mhz ( or smiliar ) processor but our pda's have 400,
But however wizard speed working than Blueangel.
Now,
Only for me.
I can't see any performance difference, because there is no Wm6 based HTC Device just yet ( I know so )
and I think wm6 have only 2 things more than wm5 for me.
1-Interface,
2-Office functions.

1a)-Maybe later we can use Wm6 UI on WM5 so as Vista UI on XP :)
2a)-Softmaker Office 2006 useful than Ms mobile office.

Yeah I know, WM6 is a new experimence.
But,
I do not interested with it..

Have a tour with a few last reviews of wm6

http://content.zdnet.com/2346-12553_22-54353.html
http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/articles/wm-crossbow-en.shtml


thanks.
Regards.

[hardingt0110]

I have been following this post now since it has first been listed. I noticed that at first there was a lot of activity on this post and then it just came to a stop. I have been doing a lot of research on WM6 roms and Ron Kitchens. I have been trying to download a WM6 rom kitchen and have had no luck in finding one. Does anyone have any further info on the process of porting WM6 onto our BA devices or any link to a Rom Kitchen that I can download to try and make a working rom for our device. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

This is a Universal WM6 ROM Kitchen: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=298077

Not quite sure about this: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://bbs.pdafans.com/archiver/tid-332784.html&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=9&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dwm6%2Brom%2Bkitchen%26hl%3Den

Hermes WM6 ROM Kitchen: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=298636

You may want to share ideas with TofClock, who is doing a similar thing for the Himalaya: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=293352&page=2

[xplode]

@EQUANCY you made a few good points in your posts

about WM5 on BA i will tell you this, the only good WM5 roms for BA never leaved Microsoft Labs, if i remove comm manager from my rom it will work like a charm using the default methods for enabling and disabling communication stuff this is because there was never written comm manager for BA (not entirely compatible with BA drivers), also most of the other bugs are fixed in recent WM5 releases, and the next Baniaczek rom sounds promissing.

About the performance there is a lil difrence with wizard performance, but multitasking in wizard sucks, and in BA just works. (ammount of ram)

about WM6 office the changes are made because of the new Office 2007 formats of documents (which are based on xml)

about security i will tell you this, i compare security with WM5 to WM6, not FreeBSD to WM6

about encryption, there is always easy to have builtin encryption which you can use on the fly then use third party encrypted image mounting system (even if the software provides 1024 bit encryption)

about remote desktop connection, yes i have tryed it , in both WM5 and WM6 it is a lot easyer to configure than other remote tools in wm6 it reminds the RDC tool in XP it gives more options and more colours than wm5 without drastic impact of bandwidth usage

about HTML in e-mail, when you recieve e-mail in html format , it is opened just like outlook on your pc with all images, and this is made by outlook mobile, not with internet explorer

[malkovich]

if i remove comm manager from my rom it will work like a charm using the default methods for enabling and disabling communication stuff this is because there was never written comm manager for BA (not entirely compatible with BA drivers)
Thanks for clarifying, that explains a lot.

So are there any third-pary utilities that could replace the functionality of comm manager -- let's say you could leave it out, and users could install some other app instead? Right now I can't think of any.

Or what about even just leaving it out and using those "default methods"? Since stability of those functions is rather essential -- for me at least -- that seems worth considering.

[hardingt0110]

Thanks for clarifying, that explains a lot.

So are there any third-pary utilities that could replace the functionality of comm manager -- let's say you could leave it out, and users could install some other app instead? Right now I can't think of any.

Or what about even just leaving it out and using those "default methods"? Since stability of those functions is rather essential -- for me at least -- that seems worth considering.

Yes, xplode is thinking of bringing back the old Wireless Manager and such.

Try "Hitchhiker 0.4 beta" (freeware) for a better wifi network searching app.

[ozmanic]

hmm..some of this guys who try porting WM6 to our 9090's heard anything about version for t-mobile dash?

there is a version of WM6 for this piece.

www.torrentportal.com

"WM6.TMobile.Dash-Gr33k" (no,not greek version of WM6-name of crew or uploader ;))

maybe this version is portable to ours...

[xplode]

dash is smartphone :)

[nebula]

i so a torrent wm6 vanilla what is in fakt vanilla ?
also when u have wm5 normal and wm5 vanilla

[imatrix]

i so a torrent wm6 vanilla what is in fakt vanilla ?
also when u have wm5 normal and wm5 vanilla

vanilla = plain; basically it's a release with just windows mobile OS and standard drivers and applications like (ms office...etc). It does not include any extra appliaction like regedit, wm5 new menu and so on.

[nebula]

vanilla = plain; basically it's a release with just windows mobile OS and standard drivers and applications like (ms office...etc). It does not include any extra appliaction like regedit, wm5 new menu and so on.

thank's now i am smarter :)

[imatrix]

Hi guys,

is there anyone working on porting wm6 to BA or have we given up on that already?

imatrix

[hardingt0110]

@imatrix

I have been following this post now since it has first been listed. I noticed that at first there was a lot of activity on this post and then it just came to a stop. I have been doing a lot of research on WM6 roms and Ron Kitchens. I have been trying to download a WM6 rom kitchen and have had no luck in finding one. Does anyone have any further info on the process of porting WM6 onto our BA devices or any link to a Rom Kitchen that I can download to try and make a working rom for our device. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

this guy might be

[hardingt0110]

Any progress anyone? I wrote to the i-mate support but got no reply.

[kerio]

What a surprise, hardingt?

[yoogi_ooi]

@imatrix



this guy might be

http://mahmood1.com/free_softwares_for_windows_mobile_pocket_pc.aspx

[hardingt0110]

There is no WM6 availale for download here...

[gangstaunitg]

So, there are many ROMs...however could you tell me which one is for BA ? If there is any... Thanks you...

[mmick]

It´s not necessary WM6, just a good hybrid version!

I tested Helmi_Baniaczek and xplod ROMs and both have several issues. Perhaps if the experts worked together we would get a great hybrid rom with good speed, good apps, etc.

[josaic]

To all BA users and programmers, please take a look if this would be able help us run WM6 on our BA.

http://rapidshare.com/files/28026191/WinMobile6_uploaded_by_sukrit_pass-4shar1ng.rar

RARpass: 4shar1ng

[Knotti2015]

What should normal BA (WM5) Users do with this ROM. It must be ported to BA or?

[strobs]

Which are the driver problems with this rom?

Is there any hard work to make WM6 run on BA?

[hardingt0110]

The problem is in the XIP section, and needs to be solved by manually changing it

[hardingt0110]

It´s not necessary WM6, just a good hybrid version!

I tested Helmi_Baniaczek and xplod ROMs and both have several issues. Perhaps if the experts worked together we would get a great hybrid rom with good speed, good apps, etc.

No we would not, and you dont know HOW MANY TIMES PEOPLE HAVE ASKED THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hardingt0110]

To all BA users and programmers, please take a look if this would be able help us run WM6 on our BA.

http://rapidshare.com/files/28026191/WinMobile6_uploaded_by_sukrit_pass-4shar1ng.rar

RARpass: 4shar1ng

I doubt it... We know there are wm6 roms out there, we just need the drivers so that we can port them

[hardingt0110]

So, there are many ROMs...however could you tell me which one is for BA ? If there is any... Thanks you...

They arent ROMs they are apps!!!!!!!!! Those screenshots are of the app

EDIT: Thought you were yoogi_ooi, sorry! There arent any ROMs for the BA yet. Many are working on it

[jiggs]

For XDA ATOM

mkdir xip2
RomMaster.exe nk.nba -w 5 -b 0x0018000D -x -o xip2.nb
dumpromx.exe xip2.nb -f coredll.dll -d xip2 -5
dumpromx.exe xip2.nb -f nk.exe -d xip2 -5
dumpromx.exe xip2.nb -f regenum.dll -d xip2 -5

oops sorry wrong post!

[lukecheng]

应该是不可能了。XIP section is the key problem.

[jiggs]

Little status update...
I've made a tool to dump/edit/build the xip section. This is a working beta! I'm releasing this in this early state cos everyone working on this might need that
You should know what you are doing for using this!

I'm sure it is possible to destroy your device by using this, but that's your own risk!

Some things about the tool:
- extract the xip section to xip.bin into the tool's folder
- the "write xip to" hex value is for Universal roms
- use 'write maps' ro rewrite the maps to see the result of your changes
- edit the txt files to modify the rom (not MAP.txt, MAP.physical.txt)

numfiles: (00000009) <- changing has no effect
physfirst: P=90540000 <- this is the value of P (same for R)
pExtensions: P+00002F84 <- add value of P (same for R)


Very cool utility! I have managed to insert bigger file into XIP by adjusting P+offset values. Do we need to modify R value as well?

[nijhof]

How about this? http://torrenty.org/torrent/108813#k

looks kinda dodgy, but it shows a blueangel and it reads WM 6.0 ENG

I cant read the polish however.

Any thoughts?

[tunekas]

How about this? http://torrenty.org/torrent/108813#k

looks kinda dodgy, but it shows a blueangel and it reads WM 6.0 ENG

I cant read the polish however.

Any thoughts?

Hummmm, wil it work in BA? I've tried to translate some text and i think it could work in BA... but i don't have the rom to test.
Did someone download it?

[nijhof]

hmm just found out that apparently this guy did, but he's not a blueangel owner

it's in this tread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=305400

it's also downloadable here: http://www.bittorrent.am/torrent/953398/2/187/Microsoft_Windows_Mobile_v6_0.html

[tunekas]

hmm just found out that apparently this guy did, but he's not a blueangel owner

it's in this tread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=305400

it's also downloadable here: http://www.bittorrent.am/torrent/953398/2/187/Microsoft_Windows_Mobile_v6_0.html

Thank's for the link!
I'm downloading the rom... let's see what she have inside...

Here is a link where we could translate some parts of the Polish text...
http://www.poltran.com/pl.php4

[nijhof]

The translated poland texts mean nothing to me, really i couldnt make anything of it, just words.

analyzed the rom yet?

[tunekas]

I've download the wm6 rom... how can i see if works with BA without upgrading?

[nijhof]

I really have no idea, was hoping you could tell me.

I'm downloading the rom now, however maybe one of the guru's know how to check that out?

can you post the rom here or somewhere quick? downloading torrents takes forever.

by the way what does the .nfo file read?

[Biohead]

Look at the date the torrent was added.

March. I'm pretty sure if it DID work with the BA, we'd know about it.

[tunekas]

I really have no idea, was hoping you could tell me.

I'm downloading the rom now, however maybe one of the guru's know how to check that out?

can you post the rom here or somewhere quick? downloading torrents takes forever.

by the way what does the .nfo file read?

The .nfo is only a link to an animal site... Well, i've executed MaUpgradeUt_noID with that rom and it detect's my rom version and shows new CE image version 2.00.02 without putting BA in bootloader mode, but i didn't start the upgrade process because i only have this BA.

Sorry for my bad english...

The rom is too big for uploading, but i will try to get a place on web to share...

Edit:
Here's the rom for download:
http://w12.easy-share.com/1189648.html

[jakubd]

I'm polish and all I can say is that 99% not BlueAngel rom, nobody from the commenting guys knows what is this ROM. Even the person that posted it says 'it's alien, so look out'. I think the same as smb said in the comments, that this is just one of the HTC Universal ROMs (length is 60MB, and our beloved BA supports 32MB ROMs).
The best comment was "does it work on Nokia 6630, please answer" :)
Just forget about this torrent.

[tunekas]

I'm polish and all I can say is that 99% not BlueAngel rom, nobody from the commenting guys knows what is this ROM. Even the person that posted it says 'it's alien, so look out'. I think the same as smb said in the comments, that this is just one of the HTC Universal ROMs (length is 60MB, and our beloved BA supports 32MB ROMs).
The best comment was "does it work on Nokia 6630, please answer" :)
Just forget about this torrent.

Thak's for the reply!

well let's continue dreaming about WM6 in BA... :(

[hugo_boo]

hmm just found out that apparently this guy did, but he's not a blueangel owner

it's in this tread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=305400

it's also downloadable here: http://www.bittorrent.am/torrent/953398/2/187/Microsoft_Windows_Mobile_v6_0.html
It's not for BA because the nk.nbf's size is 66060460 bytes, not 33,554,560 bytes !

[Davaral]

i cant found mms folder??
how can i show MMS folder :confused:

[Novembre5]

Hello,
I was just wondering if anyone has any new information about a WM6 rom being created for our device. Is anyone out there working on a Rom or is all hope for us seeing WM6 on our device gone :confused:

[hugo_boo]

Hello,
I was just wondering if anyone has any new information about a WM6 rom being created for our device. Is anyone out there working on a Rom or is all hope for us seeing WM6 on our device gone :confused:

Try this: just Xplode R5 with a new WM6 Interface cooked by a moderator from www.pdaviet.net, (sorry, i don't understand Vietnamese, i think his name is PhamThanhDat)

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6796/screen001wc4.pnghttp://img79.imageshack.us/img79/9070/screen003xq3.pnghttp://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8580/screen002ll7.png

Media fire (http://www.mediafire.com/?69bhhozsmmj) or 4shared (http://www.4shared.com/file/19936662/f1d509e4/R5_Wisbar_Edition.html)

[xplode]

I have modded the latest version of wisbar as OEM package, also I have removed aditional extras from it and use it just for wm6 theming, and upx-ed it and I gained wm6 skining builtin and it is about 350 kb :)
But the point of my future work is stability not the customization...

[hardingt0110]

I have modded the latest version of wisbar as OEM package, also I have removed aditional extras from it and use it just for wm6 theming, and upx-ed it and I gained wm6 skining builtin and it is about 350 kb :)
But the point of my future work is stability not the customization...

Can you share it, or will it only be in R6?

[notebook]

I downloaded this rom but I found a bug:when I press start for longer time the screen rotates 90 .Any idea how to solve this bug?

[viscocesco]

I have modded the latest version of wisbar as OEM package, also I have removed aditional extras from it and use it just for wm6 theming, and upx-ed it and I gained wm6 skining builtin and it is about 350 kb :)
But the point of my future work is stability not the customization...

Hi xplode, I download you Rom (BA_Rom5.35.05_AKU_3.5.2(WM6)) with PV ROM Download Center and I found it fantastic! I think that this ROM is beatiful!

[the_scotsman]

Thanks for that viscocesco, I have never heard of PV ROM Downloader, but I just found it and am now downloading XPlodes 5.35.05_AKU_3.5.2(WM6)!

EDIT: Tried it, but went back to the Xplode V2 ROM as I likle to customize my ROM with the kitchen tool...

[LGSilva]

Thanks for that viscocesco, I have never heard of PV ROM Downloader, but I just found it and am now downloading XPlodes 5.35.05_AKU_3.5.2(WM6)!

EDIT: Tried it, but went back to the Xplode V2 ROM as I likle to customize my ROM with the kitchen tool...

I've never heard about it before either but are you sure it's xplode's new rom?

[the_scotsman]

Its not his new one, its just one modified with a built in WIsbar skin...

[imatrix]

Thanks for that viscocesco, I have never heard of PV ROM Downloader, but I just found it and am now downloading XPlodes 5.35.05_AKU_3.5.2(WM6)!

EDIT: Tried it, but went back to the Xplode V2 ROM as I likle to customize my ROM with the kitchen tool...

beware of getting your BA bricked by flashing wrong ROM!

[cescof]

Hi xplode, I download you Rom (BA_Rom5.35.05_AKU_3.5.2(WM6)) with PV ROM Download Center and I found it fantastic! I think that this ROM is beatiful!
Hy could you suggest me where find PV ROM Download Center??
thanks
Regards

[viscocesco]

Here you can find the PV ROM Download Center.
The Rom is 5.35.05.WWE by xplode with WisBar Advanced Desktop and WM6 theme. The Rom is cooked by PDAViet.

[hugo_boo]

i've chatted with PhamThanhDat-who cooked the R5 Wisbar Edion-he said that the next build of this rom is finished and in test-progress! I'll keep in touch with him and post a review when the rom is released!

[xplode]

also one more thing, if he used my kitchen to cook it the rom will have module overlapping in few modules, in my current rom there is no such thing ... It hass few bugs (presented in my old versions too) which i am trying to fix, so until i am done there will be no new rom from me.

[david247police]

Here you can find the PV ROM Download Center.
The Rom is 5.35.05.WWE by xplode with WisBar Advanced Desktop and WM6 theme. The Rom is cooked by PDAViet.

I have updated to this ROM... WOrks really well and so much quicker - the only issue is that my keyboard no longer functions

[dannybut]

good rom but I’m loosing wifi connection, both static and dhcp????

[viscocesco]

WiFi connection work well I don't have problem.

[eleger91]

I've dl the ROM 5.35.05 AKU 3.5.2...I don't understand...I've got an error 101 - connexion error on device soft update utility when I try to install the new ROM...

[arnarn911]

WiFi connection work well I don't have problem.

Does wifi resume after system standby?

Am I the only one having this wifi problem with xplode's R5?

[hardingt0110]

Guys, this topic is about WM6 for the BA, not wisbar. There are many other enhancements in WM6, and wisbar slows down my BA a lot. Could the topic please be used to post updates on how people are doing with porting WM6 to the BA?

Hardingt0110

[lucasan]

i've downloaded the pv rom download center but if i try to download the rom for BA i've a file of 2 kb that is corrupt.

[nebula]

PLS guis this is only for WM6 -- > for BA not WM5 + somthing, pls discuss this thing's somewe else, thak's for understanding