hermes and network tools

[mrmrmrmr]

Hi,

I am a new Hermes owner and I am a networker.
So I am loking for anything related to network on Hermes to play with :)

unfortunately I am very confused with so many non-working applications for PPC. This is my first PPC device and I still couldn't go further then seeing my IP address on the device.
Of courser I can use it for any network application but I want to sniff, analyze, collect info...

So far, I've heard the following applications:
- VxSniffer
- PhatNet and Phatnet Pro
- Hitchhiker
- Commview wifi for PPC
- Windows Mobile Network Analyzer PowerToy for WM5
- Pocket Warrior
- CENiffer 3.0
- wififofum
- wifiknife
VxSniffer:
didn't work on my Hermes - don't know why but it says that it can't load driver.
it only worked once but then after a reset it gave the same error.
do you know the cause ?

PhatNet Pro:
didn't also work. but it never works. VxSniffer worked at least once.

Windows Mobile Network Analyzer PowerToy for WM5:
It works but really does nothing other than giving me obvious information.

Wifiknife and Wififofum aren't really doing anything sensible. Maybe just for fun.

I didn't try CommView, Pocket Warrior, CENiffer, Hitchhiker yet. But I really have no hope.

I've read the following article :
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=1226&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

But it gave me no hope...

So I am still looking for software.
Which one really works on Hermes and really is useful ?
How do you use VxSniffer ? (I ask this because it was the only one that seemed like it would work and I see some people on this forum talking about it)

Does hitchiker or commview work ?

Please help me :):confused:

[MikeChannon]

????????

Well erm..... what is it you want to do?
Hitchhiker works if you want to connect to a network. Wififofum that you say does nothing sensible gives you info about networks in the area. That is what these sort of apps. are designed for. If you want more then you have to be more specific in stating your purpose.

At random I might suggest something like logmein as a network tool to control your PC, but I live in fear that you will say that's not what I'm looking for it does nothing sensible!!

You ask for apps that really are useful - and that's the point, useful for what?

More detail please?

Mike

[mrmrmrmr]

ok; detail...

I am looking for network analyzing, packet capturing, sniffing tools.
also talking about wifi, wep key sniffing would be nice.

also, I am looking for an emule/edonkey client for PPC.
I have mobiphant but a better client (if exists) would be nice.

btw, what information do you get from wififofum (I mean information that standart builtin wlan tool does not supply) ?

logmein is a pc controlling software as far as I know from my readings throughout the forum. I need this kind of application but my limitation is that I can only use remote desktop protocol. (formy work pc)
now, you'll say "use the built in TSC" but it is not usefull with 320x240 screen size. So I tried Nyditot to achieve a higher screen resolution. Then it made my stylus unuseful (screen alignment problem)

you see, there are too many problems that I need to solve with my Hermes.

[esseff]

emule/edonkey, wep key snifers - get a life!!

[Applestar]

Want to use your HERMES as a hacking tool?
Forget it ...

[mrmrmrmr]

hey guys, why not ?
I don't understand you.
there are these applications...

mobiphant is a working emule client. I used it and I even downloaded someyhing on the go.

I just couldn't find the right sniffing application.
commview and hitchhiker should be working. I just don't know how to install and use these.
if phatnet, commview, hitchhiker, vxsniffer, and other tools are written. then there is a demand. and also there is possibility.
so why not we don't use it ?
I don't understand why you are negative about this.

[MikeChannon]

I think there is negativity because the combination of applications you seem interested in suggests that you want to drive up to someones house or perhaps detect the neighbours network, crack their wep key, and start downloading their files.

Or maybe you have just given the wrong impression??

Mike

[mrmrmrmr]

I think it's wrong impression.
I am a network expert in a serious network and telco company.
I have high bandwidth internet access both at work and at home.
I don't need to crack my neighbour's wep key.
It's just that I love network tools and now that I have a new toy which can access wifi, I want to play with it.

I need network sniffer to troubleshoot my voip applications on the hermes.
I need the emule client to download ANYTHING from e2dk networks while I am connected with my hermes.

there is no evil idea. I just want to use tools that are available. I am not familiar with this pocket pc OS (I was a PalmOS user for 6 years) and I need help.

besides, if I need to hack my neighbour's network I could use my laptop with many available tools.

[MikeChannon]

That seems fair comment to me.

Unfortunately not being an expert in this area, we'll have to wait for replies from those who are.

Mike

[mrmrmrmr]

I've found another one: ministumbler
it's available at :
http://www.stumbler.net
and
http://www.wardriving.pl/new.php?nr=193

it seem like a new application however, it didn't work...

Maybe I am doing something wrong.
Should I enable wifi card or disable it before using such applications ?
as soon as I enable my wifi card it connects to my wifi network.
maybe this interrupts the sniffer application ???

[Shamanix]

I use WiFi Companion, so you can chack that out if it suites you ;)

Here is the link: http://www.jiwire.com/socket-wifi-companion-product-review-1.htm

[mrmrmrmr]

wifi companion seems like a nice application. should I install it to devşce or the storage card ?
any special instrucions ?

[Shamanix]

You can install it on storage card, it works fine from there..

No special instruction needed for network experts.. ;)

[senergy]

here is what i have on my Hermes.
btcrawler - bluetooth snarfing/scanning tool (not really that useful but fun none the less)
mtoken - serial/telnet/ssh client
pocket tty - ppc version of putty
sniffi - wireless scanning tool (btw ministumbler doesnt work on the hermes)
wififofum2 - wireless (not sure which one i like yet)
vxipconfig - release renew etc..
vxutil - ping/traceroute/finger/nslookup etc...

Others
CE Sniffer v3.1 - packet capture (like ethereal, i have used it on my old ppc havent installed it on hermes yet)
vxSNMP - read/write snmp (havent installed it)
vxSniffer - packet capture (havent installed it, but Cambridge software generally is very good)

WEP cracking - havent seen anything for ppc running windows. Generally you need linux on a IPAQ or similar.

[mrmrmrmr]

thank you :)

I will try these...

However, I have a very generic problem:
when I install something related to wifi adapter, I generally can't run it.
all of the apps I tried say that :
"can't load driver"
"driver not loaded"
"driver not available"

I got these for most of the apps. Now I try the Socket Wi-fi Companion as suggested and I get a similar error:
"one or more components of WLAN tools were not found, or there are too few resources available to start the program. please verify proper installation of WLAN tools and try again"

I tried several times and the result is same.
My wifi is working. I am connected to my home wifi router now.
So what is the problem ?

Should I start these apps when my wifi is on or off ?
should I run them when I'm connected to a wlan or not ?
maybe there is a conflicting application I think but the only continuous running app is Wisbar Advanced.

What do you suggest ?

[senergy]

most of the wifi apps were written a while ago and dont contain drivers for the wifi in the hermes. A good example is ministumbler, it has not been updated for years.
You dont really need a wifi scanner to do more then tell you a network exists, if it is secured, what channel, power of the network, and if your lucky what brand of AP it is. sniffi and wififofum2 both do this and have gps tagging too.
There are plenty others out there though.

[mrmrmrmr]

senergy,

I understand you but I can't run any of the apps that you (and others) report working.
I have a problem using these drivers on my hermes. what could it be ?

[mrmrmrmr]

anyone using any of these sniffing applications successfully on Hermes ?

[mrmrmrmr]

which vxsniffer version works on Hermes ?

vxSniffer.hpcPro_arm.CAB
vxSniffer.hpcPro_I486.CAB
vxSniffer.hpcPro_mips.CAB
vxSniffer.hpcPro_sh3.CAB
vxSniffer.hpcPro_sh4.CAB
vxSniffer.ppc3_arm.CAB
vxSniffer.ppc3_mips.CAB
vxSniffer.ppc3_sh3.CAB

I still can't get further than "cannot load driver"

[MikeChannon]

I'd go for the PPC ARM cab

Mike

[mrmrmrmr]

there is also a ppc42_arm version.
I tried both one but didn't work.
I guess it's conflicting with something else on my Hermes.
Can you try it ?

[GeirFrimann]

If your'e a network expert, you might be iterested in the system I'm soon to release (monitoring/alerting system). Take a look at http://www.andersensoftware.com/5322/5343.html, http://www.andersensoftware.com/5322/5364.html and http://www.andersensoftware.com/5322/8701.html.
Iteresing? Please give feedback!

I think it's wrong impression.
I am a network expert in a serious network and telco company.
I have high bandwidth internet access both at work and at home.
I don't need to crack my neighbour's wep key.
It's just that I love network tools and now that I have a new toy which can access wifi, I want to play with it.

I need network sniffer to troubleshoot my voip applications on the hermes.
I need the emule client to download ANYTHING from e2dk networks while I am connected with my hermes.

there is no evil idea. I just want to use tools that are available. I am not familiar with this pocket pc OS (I was a PalmOS user for 6 years) and I need help.

besides, if I need to hack my neighbour's network I could use my laptop with many available tools.

[MikeChannon]

there is also a ppc42_arm version.
I tried both one but didn't work.
I guess it's conflicting with something else on my Hermes.
Can you try it ?

The ppc42_arm works. I just installed and carried out a trace report.

Given you seem to be having problems with a few applications (that do work on Hermes) I'm just wondering how you are installing programmes downloaded as cab files??

Mike

[mrmrmrmr]

hi,

it seems like a good idea. well done !
but there are not too many companies which would invest on such a management application which focuses on mobile devices.
for example my company does not support usage of mobile devices for system management.

[mrmrmrmr]

The ppc42_arm works. I just installed and carried out a trace report.

Given you seem to be having problems with a few applications (that do work on Hermes) I'm just wondering how you are installing programmes downloaded as cab files??

Mike

I just copy the cab fike to the root directory and then launch it from Total Commander application.

[MikeChannon]

I just copy the cab fike to the root directory and then launch it from Total Commander application.

Which is fine. Given the number of apps; not working then I think a hard reset may be called for? What do you think?

Mike

[GeirFrimann]

Are you reffering to my post??
In that case, I'll just have to say "mobile is the future, man!"
Just imagine to be able to reset a user password or emty a printer queue on the train while heading home after work, or on the beach on a saturday evening ;-)

BTW, a Win32 and Web client is in the pipe too!


hi,

it seems like a good idea. well done !
but there are not too many companies which would invest on such a management application which focuses on mobile devices.
for example my company does not support usage of mobile devices for system management.

[mrmrmrmr]

Which is fine. Given the number of apps; not working then I think a hard reset may be called for? What do you think?

Mike

I think you are right but it's a long road.
Is there any application which would backup my current data/apps and combine with working default registry ?

[jfran]

Spb backup and sprite backup should help with ur backup needs

[losborn]

Are you reffering to my post??
In that case, I'll just have to say "mobile is the future, man!"
Just imagine to be able to reset a user password or emty a printer queue on the train while heading home after work, or on the beach on a saturday evening ;-)

BTW, a Win32 and Web client is in the pipe too!
Right on! From my perspective - I don't maintain networks, I use them - all too often the IT department's response to my question is "If you REALLY needed xxxx, we'd give it to you!" A lot of them just don't seem to want to think outside the box.

As someone who is oncall at least 50% of the time, the more work that I can do with my PPC, the better. I'm looking for some good Telnet software; I want to be able to make extensive use of macros - I like them on the PC, and, given the limited keyboard of the PPC, they're a necessity. Anybody have any suggestions? The ones I've seen so far are geared to "cheap and dirty" rather than "powerful." I don't want to pay a fortune for it, but I'm not expecting to find what I'm looking for in the freeware arena, either. I DO want to be able to trial it, though.

[mrmrmrmr]

my problems with sniffer (packet capturing) applications are occuring because of application named "mring"
to understand this, I had to hard reset and install apps one by one.
when I installed mring the problem occured again.
I don't know why it conflicts ; it's strange.

Now I need another application which would do the work of mring.
Any ringtone application ?

[tbzdat00]

What about a Sniffer for GSM/UMTS ? All these Sniffers do not work for GSM/3G .... anyone know a GSM sniffer for Pocket PC ?