Does the Prophet have an internal Battery???

[exxi]

Hey, my time and date changes back everytime i take out the Battery. Now i wonder if there is aproblem with the internal Battery and if there is any and how I can replace it? I already Formatted the Firmware again, did not help always changes back to some 2006 date 12:00.

What is happening there?

could it be that the OVerclocking did that to my internal Battery?
I run the BatteryStatus Plugin on 260 MHZ

Thanks

[c3l5o]

The prophet has no internal battery as far as I know... Being a WM5 device there's no chance of data loss if the main battery drain out so no need for the internal battery to keep data safe on the device as it was for the WM2003 devices... Think this is the correct explanation on why it doesn't have one...

[exxi]

Then why does my Time reset everytime i take the battery out. Is that a hardware problem?? whats the deal???

[c3l5o]

I told you... it doesn't have an internal battery...

[exxi]

Allright man, dont get pissed I just want to Know why my time is being reset everytime i take out the battery, should i send it in??

please answer

[hanmin]

WM5 devices DO have a internal battery. It is not as big as massive as those in WM2003's version where it needs to keey the memory runnning to keep the data. The one in WM5 devices are probably all tablet little battery. AFAI can remember, there are cases of Wizard forgetting the time/date too and an investigation has been launched to search for the internal battery.

UPDATE: Read this for Wizard
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279384&highlight=internal+battery+wizard

it has an internall backup (small) battery, although it is actually a capacitor that acts as a batter. I presume the Prophet has one too. BTW, as the thread mentioned, you can get this problem fixed if you were to charge your phone directly (rather than charging the battery). Read the thread for more info.

[shayd]

I told you... it doesn't have an internal battery...

YES IT DOES HAVE AN INTERNAL BATTERY.
The Prophet (and all WM5 PPC) does have an internal battery (very small but not a capacitor) for not forgetting the time/date when you take out the main battery.
exxi, your Prophet's internal battery is probably dead.

[lastnikita]

I have the same problem.
Could be the result of a too high o/c attempt, or the vodka that went into my phone.... who knows ?

I'll send it back on warranty soon, I hope I'll get a working backup battery afterwards ^^

[exxi]

thanks for the responses guys, I really appreciate it, i have the feeling that the o/c did this to my internal battery, I hope nothing else is damaged. I am going to send it in soon, lets see what happens.

Thanks guys!!

[lastnikita]

Since a lot of users are having that trouble, there's much chances our devices have faulty batteries. For (main) battery switching, if you're fast enough, you can switch them in about 2s, and won't lost date & time. If you're not, well, practice :)

[victoradjei]

thanks for the responses guys, I really appreciate it, i have the feeling that the o/c did this to my internal battery, I hope nothing else is damaged. I am going to send it in soon, lets see what happens.

Thanks guys!!

O/C does nothing to your internal battery :D My first prophet of the first stock was o/c ed from the first time omap clock was "discovered" and is still flawless :p

[hanmin]

O/C does nothing to your internal battery :D My first prophet of the first stock was o/c ed from the first time omap clock was "discovered" and is still flawless :p

I'd guessed that not many will discover this 'flaw' unless they swap battery/sim frequently .. as like me, I'm not sure if I have the problem or not.

[hanmin]

YES IT DOES HAVE AN INTERNAL BATTERY.
The Prophet (and all WM5 PPC) does have an internal battery (very small but not a capacitor) for not forgetting the time/date when you take out the main battery.
exxi, your Prophet's internal battery is probably dead.

If you like capital letters, YES IT IS A CAPACITOR (well, at least I'm sure for the Wizard and unlikely HTC will be using different technology on different devices). Attached the screen shot of the service manual of the Wizard. Note the picture and the word "Golden cap replacement", which actually called 'Gold capacitor', is a capacitor, which acts like battery. Read this for more info.

http://www.ttiinc.com/object/FP_pan_goldcap.html

Electric Double Layered Capacitors, known as “Gold Capacitors”, offer the highest volumetric efficiency of all capacitor technologies. It is often compared to a secondary battery. Unlike batteries, the Gold Capacitor does not rely on a chemical reaction to produce electric current rather it is a storage cell that utilizes the absorption/release reaction of ions.

Gold Capacitor has no limit to the number of charge and discharge cycles it can sustain, and does not need a charging circuit. Repeated rapid charge and discharge cycles are also acceptable.

Also note that, it said it needs to be soldered to have it removed. You don't usually solder in a battery, the heat from the soldering will probably damage the battery of that size.

Anyway, having said that, capacitor can be damaged anyway. My Citizen Eco-Drive watch, which uses a cap to store energy, went to the 'hospital' for a change of a faulty capacitor that won't store charges for more than a day (which specification said it will store up to 3 months).

[lastnikita]

O/C does nothing to your internal battery :D My first prophet of the first stock was o/c ed from the first time omap clock was "discovered" and is still flawless :p

You may be right, but you can't tell that's not the o/c fault just because it didn't happen on your device, that's not logic at all.

[shayd]

Hello hanmin,

I told you... it doesn't have an internal battery...
that is why I used capital letters.

If you like capital letters, YES IT IS A CAPACITOR (well, at least I'm sure for the Wizard and unlikely HTC will be using different technology on different devices). Attached the screen shot of the service manual of the Wizard. Note the picture and the word "Golden cap replacement", which actually called 'Gold capacitor', is a capacitor, which acts like battery. Read this for more info.

http://www.ttiinc.com/object/FP_pan_goldcap.html



Also note that, it said it needs to be soldered to have it removed. You don't usually solder in a battery, the heat from the soldering will probably damage the battery of that size.

Anyway, having said that, capacitor can be damaged anyway. My Citizen Eco-Drive watch, which uses a cap to store energy, went to the 'hospital' for a change of a faulty capacitor that won't store charges for more than a day (which specification said it will store up to 3 months).

I am probably wrong abut it an actual bateery, as you said it is a capacitor', but that is not the issue.
the issue is all WM5 devices (not only Prophet and wizard that by the way have exactly the same internal battery / CAP) does have some kind of an internal battery , that keep the date and time for a few minutes, when the main battery is taken out.