Porting to new version of WM6 tommorow - questions [Archive]

.VIBE

06-03-2007, 09:33 AM

Hi,

I know this is early, but like most of you I'm burning to get the new ROM update tomorrow (kyphur you da man). So, of course I want to get all my ducks in a row so that tomorrow's update can be as painless and quick as possible.

The question I am asking with this thread pertains to backup. Changing from WM5 to WM6 was pain because I lost all my voice tags and sms's, mms's etc. It was a pain willingly carried because of the awesomeness of the new ROM, but one that I'd like to avoid this time round all the same.

Now, theoretically a WM6 backup should install without problems to a new WM6 install. However, there are indications that a different base ROM is to be used for WMXL 0.20. Will a simple backup work this time round?

Comments, thoughts, recommendations, more questions?

jasjamming

06-03-2007, 09:46 AM

the short answer is no.

reason, you will overwrite all system files in the windows directory (which includes all the registry keys/values). Therefore you will run into problem.

Best thing to do is to reinstall all your apps, operator settings etc and sync your device to get your contacts, emails, tasks notes etc back on your wmxl0.2 install.

Cheers,

Hi,

I know this is early, but like most of you I'm burning to get the new ROM update tomorrow (kyphur you da man). So, of course I want to get all my ducks in a row so that tomorrow's update can be as painless and quick as possible.

The question I am asking with this thread pertains to backup. Changing from WM5 to WM6 was pain because I lost all my voice tags and sms's, mms's etc. It was a pain willingly carried because of the awesomeness of the new ROM, but one that I'd like to avoid this time round all the same.

Now, theoretically a WM6 backup should install without problems to a new WM6 install. However, there are indications that a different base ROM is to be used for WMXL 0.20. Will a simple backup work this time round?

Comments, thoughts, recommendations, more questions?

piopawlu

06-03-2007, 09:58 AM

I think this is not entirely true. You could easily restore your contacts/mail/etc. Most system files will not be overwritten as they are in ROM. Just make sure you ain't restoring files mentioned before by jasjamming.

The tricky part is registry. What I'm going to do is making a diff file between the original registry and the one I have now. Then I'll simply apply changes. I know it may not work, but it's worth trying.

.VIBE

06-03-2007, 09:59 AM

Hmm. That's unfortunate. The biggest problem for me is always the voice tags. They take ages to set up.

Kings Lee

06-03-2007, 11:13 AM

Can WModem work in WM6? Since the ICS feature is not bluetooth ready yet even in WMXL 0.2... I miss such feature, as I can be using my notebook searching for answer first instead of asking directly via my Herems -> VNC -> Windows -> Firefox (where my forum password is saved)...

dmozk

06-03-2007, 12:55 PM

[QUOTE=Kings Lee;1157996]Can WModem work in WM6? Since the ICS feature is not bluetooth ready yet even in WMXL 0.2..QUOTE]

Really i use ICS via bluetooth (and usb) daily with v0.1, works a treat!

sunlip

06-03-2007, 03:15 PM

Hmm. That's unfortunate. The biggest problem for me is always the voice tags. They take ages to set up.

Is it Cyberon voice tag ? Google and get this utility to backup/restore voicetag database via activesync, but I haven't try it. (readme.txt attached)

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://www.cyberon.com.tw/jian/technicalsupport.htm&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dvsddb%26hl%3Den%26rls%3DGGLJ,GGLJ:200 7-03,GGLJ:en

Let me know the result if you gonna try it (if your's vc is cyberon ver1.2 and below)

.VIBE

06-03-2007, 04:57 PM

Nope, don't mean VC. I'm talking about the contacts voice tags.

Kikouyou

06-03-2007, 04:58 PM

What I am doing is reloading the apps that are on today screen or that I leave in memory when switching the device off as they need to be in main memory or extended memory to avoid the card not present issue during power up and for the rest I go into HKCU and HKLM and selectively save the keys in the Software directory. This includes the shareware key for SW registration.

I am using vmenu and saving its related registry to access the other program straight from the card so I do not have to recreate shortcuts.

I save all the registery tweaks in individual file to apply them as needed.

richy240

06-03-2007, 05:01 PM

Yeah, that's a bummer, but I have a feeling ;) it'll be worth it!

tadzio

06-03-2007, 05:06 PM

Nope, don't mean VC. I'm talking about the contacts voice tags.

I don't know these voice tags, but stupid question: would synchronizing with a PC not save all contact details, including these tags (if they are part of the contact's details)? If this is so, then you could easily restore them be synchronizing again, after the upgrade.

Cheers
Daniel

kyphur

06-03-2007, 05:26 PM

I'm not sure I understand exactly what you're talking about. AFIK Cyberon Voice Dialer is what uses those "Voice Tags". Without Cyberon there is no "Voice Tag" mechanism in WM.

This is why I personally prefer MS Voice Command or even Cyberon Voice Commander (both retail products), they are true voice recognition programs not voice tag comparison programs.

Nope, don't mean VC. I'm talking about the contacts voice tags.

weinson

06-03-2007, 05:27 PM

Another question re the upgrade to wm6 ... I am currently on Cingular's 2.06 ROM, and will go to XDA 0.2 as soon as I can. My 8525 is not super cid.

My question ... can someone give me perspective as to whether I should go to super cid before upgrading? I know I don't have to be super cid for the upgrade to work ... but is there a compelling reason why I might want to super cid my device? (I am not ever going to be a sophisticated ROM cooker ... rather someone who upgrades to ROMs cooked by other folks).

kyphur

06-03-2007, 05:33 PM

Not really.

Another question re the upgrade to wm6 ... I am currently on Cingular's 2.06 ROM, and will go to XDA 0.2 as soon as I can. My 8525 is not super cid.

My question ... can someone give me perspective as to whether I should go to super cid before upgrading? I know I don't have to be super cid for the upgrade to work ... but is there a compelling reason why I might want to super cid my device? (I am not ever going to be a sophisticated ROM cooker ... rather someone who upgrades to ROMs cooked by other folks).

Kikouyou

06-03-2007, 05:39 PM

Super CID will allow you to use Ext memory as storage memory which comes handy when you need to load all today's apps in memory to avoid the card power-up issue.

kyphur

06-03-2007, 05:52 PM

Opps, forgot about the Extended Rom. But then how many today plug-ins can one use?

Personally I always run my today plug-ins and MS Voice Command in main memory then everything else goes to the storage card.

Super CID will allow you to use Ext memory as storage memory which comes handy when you need to load all today's apps in memory to avoid the card power-up issue.

Trini469

06-03-2007, 06:13 PM

Forget Voice Tags use MS Voice command 1.6...it's BRILLIANT. The leader earlier, was Fonix...Now MS has stepped up to the plate...and its a Home Run.

Trini

digitalfx

06-03-2007, 06:16 PM

I agree MS VC is amazing...it works nearly every time. It is my primary control while driving.

.VIBE

06-03-2007, 06:43 PM

Hi, I meant Cyberon. Guess I'll have to splash out for VC 1.6 :)

kyphur

06-03-2007, 08:14 PM

To clear things up, there are three major "Voice" programs:

Microsoft Voice Command
Cyberon Voice Commander
Cyberon Voice DialerCyberon Voice Dialer is the one that uses voice tags. BTW, it is the one usually embedded in Carrier Roms thus it is the only free (legally) one.

Cyberon Voice Commander has some functions that MS Voice Command doesn't (it can read full e-mails for example) but the "Say Command" prompt gets annoying after a while and it isn't as good at recgonition as the MS Product.

With v1.6 Microsoft has finally brought a complete product to the table. Unfortunately there are BT issues with our Hermes.

Hi, I meant Cyberon. Guess I'll have to splash out for VC 1.6 :)

Shamanix

06-03-2007, 09:49 PM

About the SuperCID..

Are we able to unlock CID after upgrade to XDA-Live ?

kyphur

06-03-2007, 09:53 PM

I don't see why not, but why wouldn't you just do that before you do anything else.

About the SuperCID..

Are we able to unlock CID after upgrade to XDA-Live ?

Shamanix

06-03-2007, 10:46 PM

Becouse I still have warrenty on my device for another ~6 months :o

mxlaser

06-03-2007, 11:57 PM

SOooo.....

Its Wednesday here in Australia... :) Any chance of a release :):) (hint hint)

kkiran

07-03-2007, 12:18 AM

Kyphur....if at all you are reading this::You dint' specify the time zone when you are going to release XDA Live 0.20.....

Hope you use EST ... can we expect the release 4.40 minutes from now?Pl reply,cannot concentrate on my assignments and Java Programming :(

P.S:: Im not rushing you...Jus voicing out my opinions!!

kyphur

07-03-2007, 01:48 AM

Expect it around 8pm Wednesday Evening Central Standard Time (GMT -6)

Kyphur....if at all you are reading this::You dint' specify the time zone when you are going to release XDA Live 0.20.....

Hope you use EST ... can we expect the release 4.40 minutes from now?Pl reply,cannot concentrate on my assignments and Java Programming :(

P.S:: Im not rushing you...Jus voicing out my opinions!!

silent_killa

07-03-2007, 01:56 AM

Expect it around 8pm Wednesday Evening Central Standard Time (GMT -6)

Sniff, will be 2am on 08/03 over here, sniff. Will be tucked up in bed ready to go to London early hours for my final MCSE exam (breaks down in tears)......

Guess i have something to look forward to when i get back. :)

S.K.

kkiran

07-03-2007, 02:36 AM

Sniff, will be 2am on 08/03 over here, sniff. Will be tucked up in bed ready to go to London early hours for my final MCSE exam (breaks down in tears)......

Guess i have something to look forward to when i get back. :)

S.K.

All da best from all of us here at XDA Devs.Hope u succeed in MCSE and when u come back home,u have da hottest ROM served to u from Kyphur's Kitchen!!

Well,I need to wait 20 odd hours for da update then,.................

wpbear

07-03-2007, 02:50 AM

Kings Lee

07-03-2007, 04:01 AM

[QUOTE=Kings Lee;1157996]Can WModem work in WM6? Since the ICS feature is not bluetooth ready yet even in WMXL 0.2..QUOTE]

Really i use ICS via bluetooth (and usb) daily with v0.1, works a treat!

Thank you! If you haven't given me such a firm answer on this, I wouldn't be trying to look at it again and made it work! ;-)

Trancecoder

07-03-2007, 04:25 AM

Expect it around 8pm Wednesday Evening Central Standard Time (GMT -6)

Excellent!
http://static.flickr.com/29/100276794_548c83c4eb_m.jpg

cjkirchberg

07-03-2007, 06:54 AM

Cool. Thanks kyphur. I have spent days reading and reading about WM6 at this site and others. Debating if I should do an unoffical, non-carrier version update. Sounds like this is what I would want to do since WM XDA Live is cleaner than carrier version. Also, it looks like I can roll back to WM5, but I have already used SIM/CID free unlocker posted by pof. Will this prevent me from rolling back? Will it prevent me from updating with carrier released version. I am a little new to this stuff, so I am unclear as to all of the caveats.

Thanks. :)

futureshock

07-03-2007, 07:01 AM

voxid

07-03-2007, 07:13 AM

hi guys,
i want to install the xda live .2. i read a lot about that it is possible to go back to the old rom. i ve a vario II and t-mobile rom. i couldnt find this rom anywhere like before with my wizard. i also don t know how to get another old german rom.
does anybody seen a howto or a topic for this?...
the reason is when i will sell my vario in "years" i would like to sell it with a t-mobile rom.
hopefully somebody can help me..
greets from bavaria
carsten

bobstarina

07-03-2007, 07:41 AM

First of all, I'm talking now about Cyberon Voice Dialer.
Before upgrading you have to save the file named CommandModel1.bin from your \Windows directory to the Storage Card.
After restoring your contacts from ActiveSync and restoring the file I mentioned before all your voice tags will bring back.
Moreover you have the ability to keep this file on the Storage Card and change a path to it in registry (\HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Speech\ModelFilePath)
In this case you can delete a file CommandModel1.bin from \Windows directory and save 500KB of expensive memory.