Should RADIO be bundled with XDA Live v0.30?

[Squuiid]

I think it is important that all people testing this rom have the best radio suited to it.
This would eliminate some of the connection issues people are clogging the forum with. Several reported user issues have been due to them using old RADIO versions that don't work well with WM6.
We need to bug fix the ROM, connection problems are more likely to be RADIO related than ROM related.

Kyphur has asked me to start a poll asking:

SHOULD THE BEST WORKING RADIO BE BUNDLED WITH THE NEXT XDA LIVE RELEASE? v0.30

What do you think?

[ndcart]

Dumb question, but is there any "easy" way to downgrade the radio if the device needs to be sent in for warranty? :confused:

[mrvanx]

I still say no, thw whole point behind cooking ROMs is customisation, the only thing Kyphur will have to concentrate on is the OS making it better than if he had to work on radio aswell, also what happens to use people who have a new version of the radio (1.35.00.11 for example) do we have to downgrade?!

Any radio problems can be narrowed down to just the individual radio versions and not blamed on Kyphur aswell!?

I say we mix and match our OS/ExtROM/Radio etc... as we like and let Kyphur get on with developing this (already brilliant) ROM.

[richy240]

I think people should install the Radio ROM they prefer, not be forced into an update if it's not necessary.

Now, if we could just crack that ExtROM...

[Squuiid]

I still say no, thw whole point behind cooking ROMs is customisation, the only thing Kyphur will have to concentrate on is the OS making it better than if he had to work on radio aswell, also what happens to use people who have a new version of the radio (1.35.00.11 for example) do we have to downgrade?!

Any radio problems can be narrowed down to just the individual radio versions and not blamed on Kyphur aswell!?

I say we mix and match our OS/ExtROM/Radio etc... as we like and let Kyphur get on with developing this (already brilliant) ROM.

Fair points!

How about just a RADIO recommendation from Kyphur then? You're right, lets not add extra workload, just make a suggestion as to which radio instead?
Users can then make their own minds up as you suggest.

[mrvanx]

Fair points!

How about just a RADIO recommendation from Kyphur then? You're right, lets not add extra workload, just make a suggestion as to which radio instead?
Users can then make their own minds up as you suggest.

A radio recommendation would be a good idea, like at the moment I gather from numerous posts radio 1.27 and hihger would be the preferred to use.

(P.s: sorry I read my last post, looked kinda forcefull)

[Kartboy]

(not a noob but not an expert :s)

what is the best radio to use tho? hehe
if i go to the wiki page download the 1.35.00.11 Download note: GPS Enabled!

run it
(same installer as for the rom)
and i go for it?
will it change anything to the current config?

thx a Lot

[richy240]

(not a noob but not an expert :s)

what is the best radio to use tho? hehe
if i go to the wiki page download the 1.35.00.11 Download note: GPS Enabled!

run it
(same installer as for the rom)
and i go for it?
will it change anything to the current config?

thx a Lot

Test a few and find which one works best for you... It's amazing how little people are willing to experiment.

(I guess I was asking a lot of questions regarding ROM building, but that's something that could seriously screw a phone if you're not careful and I can't afford another Hermes right now!)

[cuccureddu]

[QUOTE]A radio recommendation would be a good idea, like at the moment I gather from numerous posts radio 1.27 and hihger would be the preferred to use.


I agree. Just recommend a min version and leave the ROM with OS only.

I can think of 2 more reasons for not bundling the radio, further to what has been said above:

1) you avoid making the upgrade process process longer and
2)if people have a preference for a particular radio (different than what is bundled), they would need to reflash their radio every time they upgrade the ROM from 0.3 to 0.4 and to 0.5, ...,etc.

[Kartboy]

Test a few and find which one works best for you... It's amazing how little people are willing to experiment.

(I guess I was asking a lot of questions regarding ROM building, but that's something that could seriously screw a phone if you're not careful and I can't afford another Hermes right now!)

Why experiment when u got all this knowledge grouped in a forum,
not knowing if u might brick ur phone or not ;)

[pof]

IMHO radio should not be included with xda-live distribution. If flash fails while flashing OS or splash screens, nothing happens to the device, but if flash fails when flashing radio device is more dificult to unbrick.

I think the user should choose which radio he wants to have, and we do provide ways of upgrading only the radio.

[ach2]

An emphatic NO - don't include a radio.

1. One of the original ideas of this rom was to provide a stable OS with as few add-ons as possible.

2. This WIKI and forum encourages and helps us to learn about our phones, make informed judgements and customise to suit ourselves. OS, software, use, location etc are all user specific. What works for you doesn't work always for me.

3. There is already a suggestion of US and Rest of World roms to fix localised problems (PTT vs video). Does Kyphur then have to release these versions with & without his (our) chosen radio? Do each of these 4 roms also have to be released with & without Adobe? (now 8 roms)... etc, etc...

4. I travel all over the world with my job and I notice a good radio in UK doesn't work so well in China, Brazil, US etc. Which radio should I vote for? Or should we release the above rom versions with every available radio?

5. If we get Kyphur and the development team to embed a radio what's our next collective request?

6. Having everything done for me takes the fun out of having a Hermes - If I want to just wait for someone to solve my problem I might as well wait for Vodafone or HTC to release an update.

7. We already see loads of questions/complaints/comments about the few apps which are embedded in WMXL so the dev. team are now acting as tech support instead of developing more stuff for us to play with. If they get bored with this role they may stop - then who do we turn to for the next release of WMXL?

So, instead of including a radio I would prefer to see a WIKI which tells us how better to analyse the radio we have and maybe to compare the available radios for reception, data, country of use etc.

If Kyphur doesn't mind all the extra work and can release all the different versions then fine, but I'd rather let him work on a stable OS first.

Only my ideas, I'm sure others will disagree :)

[wpbear]

Adding a Raido will add to the argument as to which is best? There are plenty of installs to do yourself. If you got the balls to do a ROM upgrade then download and install the Radio RUU of your choice before or after as you like.

[doul39]

Fair points!

How about just a RADIO recommendation from Kyphur then? You're right, lets not add extra workload, just make a suggestion as to which radio instead?
Users can then make their own minds up as you suggest.

I agree, a list would be better, obviously if you are looking at GPS (here here)
you would need a different radio.

kudos to the gurus!

[kyphur]

Because different Radio Roms work better in different regions of the world and even with different OS Roms.

That is a lesson learned the hard way from Wizard & AKU 3.x. Ironically T-Mobile NL 2.19 Radio never missed a call with AKU 3.x or WM6 but Cingular's 2.25 Radio was a dog in the Chicago area!

Personally, I would stay away from any of the Trinity GPS enabled Radio Roms (end in .x1) because they just add yet another element into the mix and the goal of this project is stable WM6 not GPS..

Why experiment when u got all this knowledge grouped in a forum,
not knowing if u might brick ur phone or not ;)

[lpsi2000]

That will be BIG NO for me to include radio. As said in previous posts, there are various radios out there and depending on where you are will get different results. Recommending which radio worked well for you at your location with x version of ROM is the best thing in my mine.

I am currently using 1.27 and it seems to work well for me and I won't change until I see a reason to do so (e.g. feature, service, etc...). So I definitely would not want to be force into another radio (although I can just extract the OS and flash with TTY).

[wpbear]

Why experiment when u got all this knowledge grouped in a forum,
not knowing if u might brick ur phone or not ;)

We will not post a Radio ROM that is untested; at least I hope no XDA member would. So unless you screw it up it wont brick your device.

[smarty77]

I think that a sub page of the wiki special for the radio rom is the best solution...

Everybody can add their experience with any version of the radio rom...
A fool proof installer sounds a very very good idea for me!! ;)

Is it possible to return to your original radio rom (or dump it) Radio rom 1.13??

[staulkor]

Why dont you have the option for 0.3 with and without the radio rom. Before I put 0.1 on my hermes, I had 1.34 for my radio rom. I am going to attempt to get gps working soon, so before I upgarded to 0.1, I flashed my radio.

I think a lot of people that are holding out for a later version of WXML may be in the same problem that I had, that is, not having the latest radio rom.

[Ninja1]

Radios? We don't need no stinking radios! Sorry I couldn't resist...

Seriously, pof and the rest are right. Radio selection is highly variable based on location and carrier. Let the end user decide. Having said that, knowing the radios and locations/carriers that the ROM was tested in could be useful information.

Ninja1

[richy240]

Why dont you have the option for 0.3 with and without the radio rom. Before I put 0.1 on my hermes, I had 1.34 for my radio rom. I am going to attempt to get gps working soon, so before I upgarded to 0.1, I flashed my radio.

Why don't we just leave it how it is, and let people upgrade their radio if they think it's necessary? Another ROM build would just waste storage space and bandwidth, not to mention confuse users, which leads to more needless threads and more time spent by the gurus answering questions that never should have been asked in the first place.

Let's try to keep this simple.

[Olipro]

Radio should not be integrated; it makes the flash take sodding ages if you do that, and hence, for the simple nicety of time-efficiency, no, WM6 should *not* be included into the ROM.

[kyphur]

I think we've received enough feedback on this. To be honest if you're going to play with WM6 then you should have the where-with-all to handle your own Radio Upgrade.

NO RADIO ROM FOR WMXL !!!