Windows Vista, WM6, and Tethering

[akarandomjames]

Ok I searched on the forums hard for this one so forgive me if this has already been answered. I see to find people with Windows Mobile 6 and Windows XP or people with Windows Vista but Windows Mobile 5.

Since I'm running Vista, I use Windows Mobile Device Center instead of ActiveSync. The functionality of the program is fine, so I have no complaints. However, to upgrade ROMs or anything...I use an XP Machine as it seems Vista seems to think the device disconnects upon the loading of the bootloader. I've read somewhere in the forums that there is a driver update to fix that, but after applying...WMDC doesn't work properly...so I'd save the trouble and use a machine that has XP running instead until a better fix comes along.

My 8525 came stock with a program called Wireless Modem as of ROM 1.34.502.1 shipped, which seems to have been replaced by Internet Sharing.

The Wireless Modem application worked fine after setting up the modem with the Vista driver also found in the forums. I also tested the bluetooth connection and set that up to tether as well and it worked fine.

I finally decided to upgrade after days of reading and I tried to use the Wireless Modem feature. I noticed it wasn't there and tried to use Internet Sharing. The layouts are similar...but when I hook up the phone under USB, my computer doesn't even recognize it as a new device (modem) as I did uninstall the last driver.

When connected via Bluetooth, it recognized the device and installed the driver as Windows Mobile-based device support by default. Under services, only Active Sync is only available...as opposed to before when I had Dial-Up networking available. When I set up a PAN, the computer and device are connected together, however I do get the same problem as some others with a connection that is limited or local only. So the tethering is unsuccessful.

I recently upgraded my Cingular 8525 to WM6BE v1.2 (Cingular Edition)...which I can't seem to find in the threads anymore. I'm also running Radio 1.38.00.11...but I don't think that would affect anthing. I reverted back to my shipped ROM to check for alternate settings that might have helped...then I was going to revert back to WM6BE v1.2 Cingular...then I realized I accidently deleted that custom ROM and I couldn't find it anymore. I was stuck putting on the WM6BE v1.2 on the sticky thread after which forced me to reinstall the data settings/keyboard fix from the cab files. Haven't had problems with them but I did like that customized ROM for Cingular a little better considering I really like "clean" ROMs.

Anyway, I'm attempted to connect via MEdia Net AND Cingular GPRS settings provided by the Cingular Data Settings cab floating around the forums. It works fine it seems...it just seems like the problem is getting Vista to recognize the device as a modem, or at least having modem capabilities.

I guess thats as detailed as I can get right now. Hopefully someone can help now ^_^

[boi]

You are right. I tried updating rom on Vista's Windows mobile Device and end up damaging my xda2i. The device displays "USB" when connected to cradle and "Serial v1. 01" when not. Do you have a solution apart from upgrading?

[sonixwarrior]

Hello Guys, I'm running vista too and I bothered 2 hours before getting it done.
So this is one of the "Step-By-Step Instruction Guides".

0. Extract the attached file into a directory of your choice
1. Disconnect your Device
2. Goto Settings > Connections and choose "USB To PC"
3. Uncheck the option there
4. Reconnect your Device
5. Goto your DeviceManager and search for "HTC USB Sync", double click it and choose Drivers
6. Click on the "Update Driver"-Button and choose search on the computer
7. Click "Choose a driver from list..."
8. Click the button to the right (Open from Media)
9. Choose any INF File from the extracted ones.
10. You're done, upgrade your ROM.

11. To Rollback drivers, use the "Automatic Update" instead of Manually selecting (it will choose the newest ones)
12. Recheck the option of step 2 unless you're planning to use the slow variant.

Have Phun and Good Luck

[dcoelho]

Have I understand right? With this tweak We will be able to applied ROM upgrades to our HERMES from windows VISTA?

[sonixwarrior]

I did already update my ROM in this way.

Cheers,
soniX
EDIT:
Please use HardSPL or something equal to be sure the risk is at a minimum.
And I can not be held responsible for any damage to your Hermes or your Brain :)
But as I said, for me it worked perfectly, remember to Restore the new Drivers or the Mobile Device Center will not work.

[akarandomjames]

I already know about that method to update with Vista...I actually tried it yesterday and for some reason it didn't work so I just use an XP Machine for now...but I was just asking merely about TETHERING.

I already have the ROMs of my choice loaded on my device.

In simpler words: How do I go about tethering (Running Internet Sharing) when my computer does not recognize the device as a modem...through USB or Bluetooth.

I'm running WM6BE v1.2 and Windows Vista Ultimate.

[eagle 1]

Maybe its Wm6BE, but I have used all the other roms (xda live, des, lsvw) and all I do is plug in the usb, start internet sharing and it connects no problem. Have to start internet sharing before wmdc starts. Internet Sharing works great, better than wireless modem. I was not able to use the WM6be due to problems with sbp pocket plus. I am currently using XDA live .30 and Vista Ultimate.

[mrvanx]

Does the technique in the post above work??

Also once that procedure is carried out can rom updates and RUU programs be used exactly the same as on XP??

If anyone is available to do some screenshots for me for an updated GUIDE (http://www.mrvanx.myzen.co.uk/hermes_guide/), please PM me (i dont use or have a copy of vista :()

[akarandomjames]

I enjoy the community so I think I'll do my best to contribute to it. When I get the chance, I'll try to make a guide with screenshots on using Windows Vista and loading WM6.

I'm going to try to switch to LVSW build with his new update today and I'll see how that works out.

I REALLY like the one custom build someone made (I forgot who) with the Cingular connection settings defaulted from the Cingular Shipped ROMs...I wish I can find those files again.

It seems like the people developing the new Cingular data connection cab files are really working hard at getting the default settings as if they just bought their phoes straight from Cingular.

I'll let you know how LVSW goes with Internet Sharing and Windows Vista

[akarandomjames]

Hello Guys, I'm running vista too and I bothered 2 hours before getting it done.
So this is one of the "Step-By-Step Instruction Guides".

0. Extract the attached file into a directory of your choice
1. Disconnect your Device
2. Goto Settings > Connections and choose "USB To PC"
3. Uncheck the option there
4. Reconnect your Device
5. Goto your DeviceManager and search for "HTC USB Sync", double click it and choose Drivers
6. Click on the "Update Driver"-Button and choose search on the computer
7. Click "Choose a driver from list..."
8. Click the button to the right (Open from Media)
9. Choose any INF File from the extracted ones.
10. You're done, upgrade your ROM.

11. To Rollback drivers, use the "Automatic Update" instead of Manually selecting (it will choose the newest ones)
12. Recheck the option of step 2 unless you're planning to use the slow variant.

Have Phun and Good Luck

Also, I've seen this guide posted twice...yours missing one step where I was supposed to "End WMDC.exe Process in Task Manager"

I still can't get Vista to run RUU...do you run the RUU with your device in Bootloader? I think I even tried that once and and still couldn't get it to work with the older Driver.

Not exactly sure what I'm missing or doing wrong...but its definitely after I install the driver. It acts as if I didn't install it at all, even if I check in drive details and its all correct in there.

[ahfunaki]

i tried the method above for upgrading in vista and it didnt work for me...

what am i missing?

[sonixwarrior]

Because I did it once, it has to work.
Where is it stopping? - At the bootloader (LSD-Screen with psychedelic colors ?) - or before ?

I will do an upgrade in the afternoon again and this time i will record ALL of my steps.

Hopefully I'll find the recept for the cake.

Cheers,

soniX

[akarandomjames]

Yea it gets to the bootloader screen and I'm stuck as if I never loaded the AS4.5 drivers.

[sonixwarrior]

I just upgraded my device again (only to proove it does work).

So here is again a guide, which differs to the first one.

I guess there are two ways to do this...

Prequesites:
- Search my previous post and download the USBAS.zip-File
- Extract it into a directory...
- You'll need your device and it has to be connected, too ;)

The first approach:
Change the Serial-Driver
- On the device click Start > Settings, choose "Connections" there and click on "USB to PC"
- uncheck the item for "Enhanced..." there
- Click on OK.
- Now goto your Device Manager.
- Search an Item named "HTC USB Sync".
- Right-click it and choose "Update Driver".
- Choose the second option, then select to choose manually
- Select the directory where the zip has been extracted to and choose any inf file.
Start the Update-Tool
- After the driver-update you need to set the device back to RNDIS-Mode (follow Step 1 and recheck the option)
- Verify that you're running the correct drivers for the RNDIS-Device, the date in the device-manager has to be around January, 17th 2007.
- Start the ROM-Upgrade.
- It should work now.


For me it did not really work to switch from RNDIS to USB-Serial drivers in my localized (thanks bepe for the great work!) german WM6.
So if you have a problem with the first method use this one.

- Start your Device-Manager, we have to be very fast.
- Start the ROM-Upgrade as you've probably done before :)
- If the bootloader starts up, you'll notice a device/dettached,device/attached sound, this is your sign, goto to you Device-Manager.
- Search for the Entry "HTC USB Sync".
- Update drivers like it's written above.
- If it won't work and the upgrade tool dies with "cannot connect", don't worry. Reset your device (soft) and try again, this time you should not need to update the drivers.

Cheers,

soniX

[warmkiwi99]

I'm using XP and a USB cable. USed to work OK before upgrading to WM6 Black but now I get Error 797 on the PC saying modem not found or busy!

[nbedford]

Does the technique in the post above work??

Also once that procedure is carried out can rom updates and RUU programs be used exactly the same as on XP??

If anyone is available to do some screenshots for me for an updated GUIDE (http://www.mrvanx.myzen.co.uk/hermes_guide/), please PM me (i dont use or have a copy of vista :()

Take a look here

http://www.modaco.com/index.php?showtopic=252977

For Vista guide with screen shots, so far i've only flashed HardSPLv4 from inside Vista, but it worked :) i'm still plucking up enough courage to do a full flash of WM6

Nic

[death_jax]

I do this (for Hard-SPL, don't know for other):
I have made what it was written on modaco (http://www.modaco.com/index.php?showtopic=252977) (http://www.modaco.com/index.php?showtopic=252977%29), but
1) I was not in bootloader.
2) While active sync try to connect (but it does not succeed because they are not its driver) I've stopped WMDC.EXE and now hermes is connected.
3) NOW I do a flash.
If there is something that is not clear you say it to me.

[sonixwarrior]

Can somebody confirm that my method works for vista?

soniX

[death_jax]

I'm based also to your method, but it would be more complete to integrate it with the method on modaco.

[akarandomjames]

It seems that most people didn't get the point of this thread...weird considering I put TETHERING in the subject line. However, it is nice to see people trying to help others with Vista to flash. I have the same problem myself but access to machines with XP nullify my real need for flashing on Vista for now.

I'm about to reinstall LVSW's latest ROM set for the billionth time and I'll try out tethering on that. It seems that people who were on WM6BE were having a hard time with Internet Sharing. I'll load a new rom and let you know how it goes.

[dazzled]

It seems that most people didn't get the point of this thread...weird considering I put TETHERING in the subject line. However, it is nice to see people trying to help others with Vista to flash. I have the same problem myself but access to machines with XP nullify my real need for flashing on Vista for now.

I'm about to reinstall LVSW's latest ROM set for the billionth time and I'll try out tethering on that. It seems that people who were on WM6BE were having a hard time with Internet Sharing. I'll load a new rom and let you know how it goes.

I got ya and in the same boat be interested in your results please pal :)

[akarandomjames]

I got ya and in the same boat be interested in your results please pal :)

Ok after a good day of trying to get rid of white screen on th new LVSW ROM...I fired it up with Cingular Data Cabs and Loaded Internet Sharing...and it worked perfectly under CINGULAR GPRS settings.

No need to setup a Dialup Connection or anything, its strictly Internet Sharing (basically running ICS) from whatever data your phone is getting. The phone is treated as a whole separate computer and not a modem. Even the latest Cingular 2.06 ROM has removed Wireless Modem and has used this. Drivers were all built into Vista, I didn't have to download anything or USB or Bluetooth.

Only thing is DUN is no longer supported and Bluetooth Internet Sharing is done through PAN. Run Internet Sharing on the phone, load Bluetooth PAN and your connection of choice...then select CONNECT.

Now on your PC, join a PAN through the bluetooth stack you're using (I happen to be using Microsofts). The drivers will install automatically and you're good to go.

I might have had problems with it earlier due to:
- Incorrect Data Connection Settings
- WM6BE v1.2 having problems with it (not confirmed but that was the ROM I was using when I was unable to tether)

Now if I can just get my damn Vista to run RUU...haha.

[freakymark]

Can somebody confirm that my method works for vista?

soniX

HI,

Yes it worked for me and my device (MDA Vario II) under vista Business. Thx for your work. The only thing you have to care about is, that when you take the Update-exe from t-mobile, it will install you a HTC-to-USB driver Version 6.00. So when you only say update driver you have to say that you want to use exactly your driver and not only let it choose the driver of that directory, because it will say that you already have the latest driver installed.

THX again,

Freaky

[ahfunaki]

Well it seems the method on modaco is going to work for me...woo

[dazzled]

Ok after a good day of trying to get rid of white screen on th new LVSW ROM...I fired it up with Cingular Data Cabs and Loaded Internet Sharing...and it worked perfectly under CINGULAR GPRS settings.

No need to setup a Dialup Connection or anything, its strictly Internet Sharing (basically running ICS) from whatever data your phone is getting. The phone is treated as a whole separate computer and not a modem. Even the latest Cingular 2.06 ROM has removed Wireless Modem and has used this. Drivers were all built into Vista, I didn't have to download anything or USB or Bluetooth.

Only thing is DUN is no longer supported and Bluetooth Internet Sharing is done through PAN. Run Internet Sharing on the phone, load Bluetooth PAN and your connection of choice...then select CONNECT.

Now on your PC, join a PAN through the bluetooth stack you're using (I happen to be using Microsofts). The drivers will install automatically and you're good to go.

I might have had problems with it earlier due to:
- Incorrect Data Connection Settings
- WM6BE v1.2 having problems with it (not confirmed but that was the ROM I was using when I was unable to tether)

Now if I can just get my damn Vista to run RUU...haha.

Thanks mate just waiting for the new .30 rom and ill upgrade and test it out again.

[death_jax]

Guy, I flashed ROM, Radio, Hard-SPL, all, in VISTA, without any plus driver!!
You must only have the hard-SPL v1.30 Olipro v4, go to bootloader mode, run RUUWrapper et voilà, this il all!!:eek:
Good flashing at all..:cool:

[akarandomjames]

Guy, I flashed ROM, Radio, Hard-SPL, all, in VISTA, without any plus driver!!
You must only have the hard-SPL v1.30 Olipro v4, go to bootloader mode, run RUUWrapper et voilà, this il all!!:eek:
Good flashing at all..:cool:

Confirmed! Must use RUUWrapper tho by Oli. Must also already be in Bootloader mode. Definitely great news for Vista users!

Great! Now for me to learn how to cook my own ROMs and I'll be set ^_^

[gridpool]

Confirmed on Vista Ultimate

Also worked for me. I think the default driver works along with the one provided in the thread. I ended up using the HTC USB Sync driver dated 6/21/06. This is the first time I have ever flashed the device - Was 8525 stock before this.
HardSPL 1.30 Oli, XDA-Live v0.21, followed the upgrade guide:
HERE (http://www.mrvanx.myzen.co.uk/hermes_guide/wmxl/)
I did not upgrade the radio....
Make sure you uncheck advanced network functionality in USB to PC though.
:D

[akarandomjames]

Confirmed on Vista Ultimate

Also worked for me. I think the default driver works along with the one provided in the thread. I ended up using the HTC USB Sync driver dated 6/21/06. This is the first time I have ever flashed the device - Was 8525 stock before this.
HardSPL 1.30 Oli, XDA-Live v0.21, followed the upgrade guide:
HERE (http://www.mrvanx.myzen.co.uk/hermes_guide/wmxl/)
I did not upgrade the radio....
Make sure you uncheck advanced network functionality in USB to PC though.
:D

Ok you still used the older method.

I confirmed you need at least 1.30.Oli to be able to use RUUWrapper to update. So if its your first flash on Vista with a STOCK 8525 (guessing BL 1.06 if you just got it), then you'd have to run the old drivers through the first time to upgrade the bootloader.

Once you're at least 1.30.Oli (I've tested with 1.35.Oli and it still works), then you can go ahead and flah on Vista problem free as long as you use RUUWrapper and start your device in BL Mode.

Can someone confirm that this works on Vista X64 as well? I only have an x86 machine to play on.

[death_jax]

Guy, without go in bootloader mode, with hard-SPL (I have 1.35 Olipro v5), you can flash however yours PDA, using RUUWrapper v4.1..:cool:
PS: Be attention, when you flashed the SPL, don't use this one, but use the ROMUpgrade that is in the Zip, otherwise the Os is overwrite by the SPL, but this is impossible, in fact the consequent is the brick of your Hermes (and you must hope of to have already installed the hard-SPL..)..:rolleyes:

[masta7100]

ok, I need some help... I hope this doesn't sound stupid...how do I put my device in boot loader mode.. the guide looks very helpful by the way thanks alot for it!!! I currenty have the Black 2.5 pro installed. I don't get HTC USB sync at all on my screen when connecting my 8525. I got my phone to use the internet sharing and WDC a couple times.... but it doesn't always connect right or something.

[masta7100]

ok, I need some help... I hope this doesn't sound stupid...how do I put my device in boot loader mode.. the guide looks very helpful by the way thanks alot for it!!! I currenty have the Black 2.5 pro installed. I don't get HTC USB sync at all on my screen when connecting my 8525. I got my phone to use the internet sharing and WDC a couple times.... but it doesn't always connect right or something.

my bad... I think I know now.. I didn't know there were guides in the threaded with the roms listed... I didn't know if the bootloads was the tri colored screen... don't beat me lol... I thought the bootload was the RUU files or something

[nispen]

Haha, they stole your thread!

This is the way it SHOULD work. Run internet sharing on your Hermes. Be sure to check USB.

Connect Hermes to PC with USB cable. PC should recognize a network card (= your Hermes).

That should be that.

(Obviously, if you want to use BT to connect, change the instructions above as needed).


By the by, somewhere in the Universal forum someone was dissatisfied with the new PAN method (Internet sharing) and wanted the old modem (Dial Up Networking) from WM5 back. Someone then posted the old modem prog in reply. If you can't get PAN working you might go over to the Universal forum and hunt for that modem prog (DUN) (no guarantees it will work). Sorry cant give you a link.

YES I CAN: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1264840&postcount=310



I already know about that method to update with Vista...I actually tried it yesterday and for some reason it didn't work so I just use an XP Machine for now...but I was just asking merely about TETHERING.

I already have the ROMs of my choice loaded on my device.

In simpler words: How do I go about tethering (Running Internet Sharing) when my computer does not recognize the device as a modem...through USB or Bluetooth.

I'm running WM6BE v1.2 and Windows Vista Ultimate.

[debonairone]

I enjoy the community so I think I'll do my best to contribute to it. When I get the chance, I'll try to make a guide with screenshots on using Windows Vista and loading WM6.

I'm going to try to switch to LVSW build with his new update today and I'll see how that works out.

I REALLY like the one custom build someone made (I forgot who) with the Cingular connection settings defaulted from the Cingular Shipped ROMs...I wish I can find those files again.

It seems like the people developing the new Cingular data connection cab files are really working hard at getting the default settings as if they just bought their phoes straight from Cingular.

I'll let you know how LVSW goes with Internet Sharing and Windows Vista

Just to let you know that there are later releases out...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=304462

[debonairone]

Err... late post... pls ignore

[masta7100]

Haha, they stole your thread!

This is the way it SHOULD work. Run internet sharing on your Hermes. Be sure to check USB.

Connect Hermes to PC with USB cable. PC should recognize a network card (= your Hermes).

That should be that.

(Obviously, if you want to use BT to connect, change the instructions above as needed).


By the by, somewhere in the Universal forum someone was dissatisfied with the new PAN method (Internet sharing) and wanted the old modem (Dial Up Networking) from WM5 back. Someone then posted the old modem prog in reply. If you can't get PAN working you might go over to the Universal forum and hunt for that modem prog (DUN) (no guarantees it will work). Sorry cant give you a link.

YES I CAN: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1264840&postcount=310

Thanks man!! it works alot better when I do internet sharing first than connect it to me laptop!! awesome!! I didn't need to install any software or anything

[Funky B]

This thread was related to the issue of "getting Vista to recognize the device as a modem".

Make sure you are using the latest drivers for Vista. The drivers can be found here (http://www.europe.htc.com/support/software/htctytn.html). There are problems with the older drivers.

[nysocko21]

got it working using pan via bt. did n ot have install anything extra. if you need help still getting online let me know and il post steps

[muskangul]

hy
just instal windows nobile device Center 6.1.6965
download it from microsofts web
and on vista it works good
i have updated rom on my htc tytn in just 3 or 4 minutes
it is fastest on vista
on xp it takes more than 10 minutes
so my advice is to use vista...

[wifihack]

This thread was related to the issue of "getting Vista to recognize the device as a modem".

Make sure you are using the latest drivers for Vista. The drivers can be found here (http://www.europe.htc.com/support/software/htctytn.html). There are problems with the older drivers.

That link doesn't work. Try again?

I was able to tether my 8525 running WM6 to Vista on the first go. However, it did have problems on later sessions.

My XP systems couldn't hack it and something in the network hung upon connection. I'm using Active Sync 4.5 as the source of RNDIS drivers.

[nysocko21]

windows nobile device Center 6.1.6965 yep this works

my usb connection is working again i got 1100 kps dl /376 ul
compared to 340 kps dl / 367 ul using a bt tethering .

still a bit slower than xp but very happy!