Couldn't assign Windows button using AKU3.3.13.ASERG

[hr30]

After upgrading to AKU3.3.13.ASERG, everything is perfect :) (fast, responsive, cool) except one thing, windows button assignment.
I can't assign it to other application such as Microsoft Voice command.

I would very much appreciate any help.

Maybe a bit out of topic, is there any way to uninstall Cyberon voice ?
I prefer Microsoft Voice command 1.6.

BTW my PDA is Dopod 818pro G4.

Thanks.

HR

[digifan]

yes
same problem
maybe because of the WIZA200

[floepie]

I have yet to see a ROM post-WM5 aku 2.3 that can change the functions of those bottom 2 keys (Windows and OK button). You would think they could have figured this out by now.

[story]

I read before here that since it's based on the Wizard rom and the Wizard doesn't have that two buttons so it doesn't work.

[floepie]

Hmmm...Don't know why I didn't think of that. This should still be made to work, as those 2 buttons were customizable as well on the Wizard. I wonder what the file buttonsext does? I see that it is referred to only once in the registry. Perhaps if we got this file from a Prophet ROM and replace it with the one on these Wizard-based ROMs?

[inteks]

give this tool a try. still beta but i think it run stable.
is simlar to smartkey but . . .

http://unreal.inteks.org/alttab.png

download here -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1229851#post1229851

it search omapclock in windows folder because i have it inside my modded aserg rom ;-)

with SetMaxMem you can save the memorystatus after a reboot for the freeram display in top

if you "speedup" a application altab set your neo to 240Mhz if this app is in foreground
else it set it to 180Mhz
this setting is stored in registry ;-)

have fun
inteks

[floepie]

Woah! This is fantastic! I think this will be the most useful program if it does what I think it can do. So, you can target specific apps to run at faster speeds? Also, what do the line graphs at the very top represent? I have blue, red, and grey.

And, ta-dah, the buttons 1 and 2 issue has been solved. We can now change the function of button 2 to close apps with a real task manager such as WA2.

Thanks for the great work, and the task switcher is very nice with the end call button.

Do have some sort of documentation or read me for this?

[inteks]

no sorry. no readme till now.

the to lines above. . . look here - > http://pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=23466

in the middle its dark @180mhz and green @240mhz

;)

[floepie]

So, is this altab.exe and compilation of smaller tools? Which tool is able to change the function of the buttons so succesfully?

This is the only one I've found to truly intercept the built-in functions before they execute.

[inteks]

the main function are the buttons/alt-tab and overclocking

the powerstatus display and the regtweaks are integrated small tools

/inteks

[floepie]

How do you overclock with this app, or do you need another app to do this?

Also, is it possible that you could make a version stripped of the status bars at the top? Or, at least give an option to not display it? Thanks....

[inteks]

for overclocking copy this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=255771&highlight=omapclock
to your windows directory.

a version without the poowerstatusbar in top , maybe in next release an option to hide it

have fun
inteks

[floepie]

Looking forward to it. Could you update this thread when it's out? Thanks.

[inteks]

ok.

here is a new version.


now you can switch off the powerstatusdisplay in top
http://unreal.inteks.org/alttab2.png


LG
inteks

[2241Alexanders]

This is great! I used powerstatus, alt-tab and smartskey as my favourite tools (simple, very small memory usage). And i defnitely missed the possibility to assign buttons 1 and 2.
And now we have it all together.

I'll test an submit my experiences

[2241Alexanders]

I installed it (shortlink in windows\startup folder) and tested it a couple of days an it worked great (24kb ram, volume-button scrolling works better as in Smartskey). I have found 2 minor things:
1. Closing windows settings menu by doublepresssing the endCall button closes the shell, which results in softreset. Minor problem, ok-button works.
2. Left softbutton function is not catched by all programs. For instance, "Unlock" softbutton does not work. Minor problem, touchscreen does. Same with Total Commander.

Third is that my phone seems to crash more often than before, but I can't tell for sure it's your tool.

I have one question: The file is quite big (1,5 MB). What causes the size? Smartskey, Alt-tab and Powerstatus are very small, so the only thing left to explain te size is te capturing of buttons 1 and 2. If would be wellcome if it could be made smaller. Is that possible?

But even with this size it's great anyway.

Prophet G4
Aserg 3.3.13 rom
Radio 02.61.21

[floepie]

This app has fantastic functionality, but for whatever reason, it burdens my device running WA2. It's especially noticeable with the start menu appearing and other menus. Not too sure what the problem is, given that the app has such a small footprint.

[inteks]

hiho,

@2241Alexanders

jo, my mistake. . . i uploaded the debug version (size) the release version is 150Kb normaly, sorry.
i will upload a "release" version after i fixed the "closed shell" bug ;)

what do you mean with "Unlock softbutton" ??
[edit] if you want the "hard" softkey to work you have to leave the "SoftKey L" in Setting on "<Left SoftKey>" . . .


i dont think that atTab causes the crashes ? no problems here

the programm does nothing until you press a button. (hook)
the powerstatus runs on an diffrent timer with 2sec interval (same as orginal powerstatus)
and every 5 sec the programm checks the foreground window and start omapclock if needed.

@floepie
what is "WA2" ??

btw with "task manager" (included in aserg's rom) you can check CPU usage of each program. alTab use 0.09-0.27% on my device @180MHz. most of this cpu time is used for powerstatus. without powerstatus its @0.00% most of time ;)
(the "old" powerstatus.exe use 1.83-2.29% CPU time)




have fun
inteks

[alpax]

here is a new version.
now you can switch off the powerstatusdisplay in top
btw.
you can close the foregroundapp by doublepress the endCall button ;)

Wow! Very helpful utility! That's what I've been looking for since my Prophet ROM upgrade, as I really needed those two lost buttons!
Thank you very much, inteks!

But I have some suggestions.
Would it be possible to make the buttons used by the program customizable? Like the EndCall button, which now opens the task switcher - without alTab that button switches to the Today screen, and I'm really missing this feature.
Actually personally I would even disable the task switcher in alTab completely if it had such an option, as I don't really need another task manager - I prefer the way how AltTab.exe works: it shows a window with the icons, sets the focus to the previously used application, and if you just wait a second, it switches to it - very similar to how Alt-Tab key combo works in Windows. I really like that!
If the button, which opens the main alTab window (task manager) will be optional, and could be disabled, I guess the main window should show up just when the application starts. BTW, this will allow to easily assign the task switcher to any other button using the standard system Buttons control panel.

Additional actions, which can be assigned for the held soft buttons, is also a very useful feature! Is it possible to add such "Hold" commands for the hard buttons as well? "Button 4(Hold)" is standard, and assignable, but it would be nice to have the same for buttons 1-3 too.

Thanks!

[inteks]

hiho,

download here -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1229851#post1229851
new -> it shows icons for the windows in the list.
and some bug fixes (end shell, filesize . . . )


@alpax
without atTab the "ok" button switch to desktop,too ;) so the red button is useless but for end calls.
thats why i select this as main button for alTab.


have fun
inteks

[alpax]

new -> it shows icons for the windows in the list.Cool! If you could also make it work like AltTab.exe - set the default selection in the list to the previous application, and activate it after about one second delay (this probably should be optional), that would be awesome! In this case your alTab will replace AltTab completely.

Actually as another press of the same button works like Enter - it confirms the selection, it would be probably enough just to change the default selection to the previous application. In this case even without automatic activation on delay like in AltTab it would be much easier to switch to the last application, as you can just press EndCall twice to switch to it.

I guess I have to describe a specific scenario to make it clear.
Let's say we have several applications running, and we are using Word and want to copy some data from it into an Excel sheet. We start Excel, go back to Word, select and copy some text, switch to Excel, paste that text, switch to Word, copy, back to Excel, paste... In this case we are switching between only two applications. In Windows we would use Alt-Tab key combo to do this. AltTab.exe works exactly the same way by switching between two last applications - if we are in Word, and start AltTab, it shows the list of running programs, with a selection on the previously used one, which would be Excel in our case. Wait a second, and it activates the selection automatically. Then we start AltTab again, it shows the same list of running applications, but the selection will be on Word. A second, and we've switched to Word. With alTab this process becomes a little bit annoying - on every switch we have to use arrow keys to select the application we want to switch to, and as the list is sorted by name, we have to press Down several times before we get to Word, for example.

What is good about AltTab - its interface is thoroughly thought out for such a simple utility. Just a couple of examples:
- If you are too fast, hate that small delay, and want to switch to the last application immediately, you can just confirm the selection with Enter/Action key right away.
- If you want to switch to another application (not the last one), just press an arrow key during that delay, and it stops the countdown - you can select whatever you want, then press Enter/Action to switch there. Actually you really need only one button to switch to any application! If you press the same button, which starts AltTab, once again during that delay, it moves the selection to the next application. So it is exactly like Alt-Tab works in Windows - you just press it several times until you select the application you need.

Can you please think about this idea to make alTab work similar way to AltTab? Or if you don't like this, can you make the button customizable, so the people, who don't need the task switcher, could assign other actions to it?
Thanks!

Or, and one more thing about the task switcher. Is it possible to ignore some applications - i.e. not to show them in the task list? It usually makes sense to ignore ActiveSync, as it's not usually required to switch to it.

and some bug fixes (end shell, filesize . . . )Yeah, 10 times bigger EXE was kind of funny. :)

@alpax
without atTab the "ok" button switch to desktop,too ;) so the red button is useless but for end calls.Not exactly. If you have several applications running, and you switch from one to another without getting to the desktop, OK/Close button after that will minimize the active application and the previously used one will become active - not the desktop! So with alTab another button has to be assigned to replace previous EndCall action to go to Today screen, which is quite sad, as we could have one more button for more useful actions.

Can you also handle a long press of the button? So a regular press of EndCall button will open the alTab task switcher, double-press will close the active application, and press-and-hold will switch to the Today screen. What do you think about this?

thats why i select this as main button for alTab.This is not too bad actually. If I could use alTab as my main task switcher, I would agree with such button selection, especially if the same button closes the foreground application on double-press.

And what about other buttons? As far as I understand, now you have complete control on all the buttons. Can you assign customizable actions on any button press-and-hold? If you could, that would be great!

Thank you very much for creating this utility - even on this early stage it is already very useful!

[floepie]

WA2 (Wisbar Advaced 2) is a full featured and skinnable task manager with a very nice cascading start menu.

With altab loaded, generation of the WA2 start menu is noticeably delayed when hitting the 'start' button (button 1) as well as opening and closing windows in general. This most probably has to do with task management conflicts.

[alpax]

With altab loaded, generation of the WA2 start menu is noticeably delayed when hitting the 'start' button (button 1) as well as opening and closing windows in general.
I'm using WBLite, which is a less-featured version of WBA2, but still has the same nice cascading start menu.
I haven't noticed any slowdown with that menu generation. It is only slow the first time after a new shortcut has been added, which makes sense, as the whole menu gets regenerated. But after that it's pretty fast - definitely not slower compared to how it worked before alTab.

[inteks]

it was like alt-tab in windows (every button press switch to next app) BUT
1. its really faster for me to use up/downkeys AND
2. it conflict with the more importent double press close function
i have often close an App by mistake.

hide activesync make sense.

@floepie
i dont think it cause a problem with WA2 ! as i wrote above alTab does nothing until you press the red key.

have fun
inteks

[alpax]

it was like alt-tab in windows (every button press switch to next app) BUT
1. its really faster for me to use up/downkeys AND
It might be faster due to a delay with one-button method, but I believe using just one button is much more convenient, than pressing one button, then moving the finger to the D-pad, pressing arrows, then moving again to press Action.

Sometimes I operate my Prophet in gloves, and it is even more painful to press several different buttons in such case, as it's difficult to sense them through leather.

2. it conflict with the more importent double press close function
i have often close an App by mistake.
Agree, it would be conflicting.
But closing of an application could be done by press-and-hold instead of a double-press - can you try this?

But most importantly - both Alt-Tab in Windows, and AltTab.exe use the same approach - when they open the list of running programs, they select the last used one by default, so that switching between the last used apps is very easy and can be done even without looking at the screen.

Can you implement this approach in alTab please?
I think the simplest way would be just to put the last used application on the top of the list, so it will be selected when the task list opens, then add the rest of the running programs alphabetically.

[inteks]

sorry. bt press and hold does not work with the red button :(

normal keys send a keydown
and on release they send a keyup event

then i can measure the time between up&down and decide its a "press" or a "press and hold".

but the red key is diffrent it send both keydown&up when the button is released.

with the sortorder, i see what i can do ;)

maybe i can catch the right softkey for the switch-apps function (only while alTab is visible) those 2 buttons are the nearest . . . ?

have fun
inteks

[alpax]

sorry. bt press and hold does not work with the red button

normal keys send a keydown
and on release they send a keyup event

then i can measure the time between up&down and decide its a "press" or a "press and hold".

but the red key is diffrent it send both keydown&up when the button is released.
Hmmm... Interesting... Well, it's unfortunate, but I guess we don't have a choice here.

with the sortorder, i see what i can do ;)That would be great if you could do that!
And automatic activation after a small delay if no other buttons were pressed (optional of course), pleeeaaase! http://forum.kamorka.com/images/smiles/icon_pray.gif
;)

Easy one-button switching to the last application is the main reason I continue using AltTab as a task switcher.

maybe i can catch the right softkey for the switch-apps function (only while alTab is visible) those 2 buttons are the nearest . . . ?Ah, don't bother. If there is no way to use the same button, just leave it as is now. Moving a finger for 0.5cm instead of 1cm would not be a huge improvement. :) And it would be a little confusing - it's not obvious, that some other button may move the selection.

[floepie]

Is there a way you could also dissociate the task switcher/manger from the 'buttons' function, as the buttons function is the most sought after feature I'm sure with all these ROMs post-aku 2.2.

Also, did you remove the neo tweaks? I never applied them before - just curious.

[ualvoyager]

Hi All...

Am I missing something?!?!?!?!? How do you get into the settings menu to turn off the power status bar at the top??????

I know I'm thick sometimes but I really must be missing something

[alpax]

Am I missing something?!?!?!?!? How do you get into the settings menu to turn off the power status bar at the top??????
Press EndCall button to open the task switcher (which is the main alTab window), then tap-and-hold there to open the menu and choose Settings.

[ualvoyager]

Thank You Thank You Thank You Thank You!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[alpax]

Is there a way you could also dissociate the task switcher/manger from the 'buttons' function, as the buttons function is the most sought after feature I'm sure with all these ROMs post-aku 2.2.
Agree! If possible, I would rather prefer this than trying to convince inteks to make the behavior similar to what I'm used to. ;)

I actually need only buttons support, as I already have a task-switcher, and I DO need that EndCall button back. :( Today I mistakenly pressed EndCall at least ten times trying to get to my Today screen. Of course every time I got the task switcher instead, said myself to remember this, then half an hour later I forgot that, and pressed that button again expecting to go to the Today screen. :rolleyes:

inteks, would it be possible to separate the buttons handling from the rest of the functionality? That could be just a separate utility, which shares the source code with alTab. I understand that support of two separate applications is painful, but frankly speaking - buttons handling is the only unique alTab's feature: everything else is duplicated in other applications, which many people are already using, they are just missing the buttons.
So can you consider this please?
Thanks!

[floepie]

I haven't seen this with the previous version, but when I put a shortcut in the startup folder, I get a message when I boot up that altab.exe is not a trusted app. Is there a way I can prevent that from happening?

[2241Alexanders]

@Inteks

With the 'unlock button' I meant the left soft-button, used to unlock the device when locked with windows 'Device Lock'.

[inteks]

hiho,

ok. new version is here .

i removed the doubleclickclose function for the more Alt-Tab like Appswitching. it is also more responsive now (because of that)
you can still close apps with the contextmenue .

the sort order is like in Alt-Tab
and now this icons for contacts,calendar,desktop,programms and so on .

i renamed it because to avoid confusion with AltTab
it now called NeoTab ;)

@2241Alexanders
. . . but i dont know why . . . sry


have fun
inteks

[alpax]

i removed the doubleclickclose function for the more Alt-Tab like Appswitching. it is also more responsive now (because of that)
you can still close apps with the contextmenue .

the sort order is like in Alt-Tab
Cool!
First I wanted to note, that though the order is the same, the default selection is not on the previous one, like in AltTab, but on the active app, which does not seem to be very useful, but then I figured out the reason for that. If you press EndCall once - it just opens the task list and waits there, but if you press it once again, it moves the selection AND activates that application. Which basically means, that double-press now switches to the previous application, and just more presses of the same button allow switching to any running app. Yooohooooo! That's the functionality I've been waiting for! http://forum.kamorka.com/images/smiles/dance.gif
Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Now I can get rid of AltTab completely! Switching to the Today screen is also quite easy now - though not as easy as without NeoTab - with just one button press, but still just one button and 2-3 presses. I guess I can live with that. :D

BTW, closing applications still can be quick and simple even without double-press. I've just assigned one of the extra buttons we have now (Softkey-hold) to call a tiny utility named ZapIt!, which closes a foreground application, and it does the job perfectly.
Now I can finally operate my Prophet without stylus.
Thank you, inteks!

i renamed it because to avoid confusion with AltTab
it now called NeoTab ;) Makes sense. It's more than just Alt-Tab.

BTW, about more functionality.
I already asked you before, but you didn't reply - can you handle other buttons the same way as Softkeys? Is it possible to add "Button N(Hold)" for buttons 1-3 in the Buttons control panel? If not this way, can you just catch these long presses by NeoTab and do some customizable actions (call assigned applications)? That would add 3 more button-activated applications, and make operation without stylus even better.
Thanks.

[inteks]

next small update

-if switch with redbutton down it now scrolls down and let you see what is selected ;)
-you can close an app by right softkey now (only if neotab is in foreground)

LG
inteks

[alpax]

-if switch with redbutton down it now scrolls down and let you see what is selected ;)
Oops... :)

-you can close an app by right softkey now (only if neotab is in foreground)
Nice!
I guess it would make sense now to make the left soft button to open the main menu - the same one, which is currently on tap-and-hold.

[alpax]

inteks, is it possible to customize the delay for Softkey(hold) actions? Now it seems a bit long, and I would prefer to make it a little shorter. Is this hardcoded in the EXE, which means only you can change it?

[ojtemple]

Wow, what a great way to switch apps - thank you!

One problem - I use Slide 2 Unlock as my lock (see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=304826) which NeoTab overrides. So if the red button is accidentally hit when the PDA is in my pocket, all hell can break loose.

Is it possible to also ignore Slide 2 Unlock (in the same way it does when the phone has the foreground?)

Thanks again!

[2241Alexanders]

Inteks,

Is it possible (if you like, etc.) to add an option use the volume-slider to scroll on the today-screen?
I only use the volume slider when calling and use the today-screen for my agenda (pocket-breeze). Scrolling with D-pad is so slooow.

[floepie]

One of the first things I do after a hard reset is to speed up the D-pad scrolling in the up/down tab in the 'buttons' settings. Makes things a whole lot speedier, especially with PIE favorites.

[2241Alexanders]

One of the first things I do after a hard reset is to speed up the D-pad scrolling in the up/down tab in the 'buttons' settings. Makes things a whole lot speedier, especially with PIE favorites.

Wow, the answer was there, even before I had the question.
Thnx, no further questions (for today).

[alpax]

I've found a bug(?) in NeoTab.
The behavior of volume slider on Today screen is different from default one.
Without NeoTab when you slide down, the volume decreses until 0, then the selection moves to Vibrate, then to Off. It's very handy, when you want to turn the phone ringer temporarily off, but make it vibrate instead (on a meeting or in a movie theater). NeoTab allows only slider changes - it does not move to radio-buttons selection, so there is no way to switch the phone to Vibrate with the slider side buttons only. :(

[Shaman2]

I have one bug in NeoTab

When I use it and second run AddressBook, I dont move cursor up and down upto close NeoTab or making reset.

[uccoffee]

Are there any other freeware other than NEOTAB, it changed the END call button, and I cannot play morphgear properly , cos always press the red button accidently, I just wanna change the button 1 & 2 ....

[peel]

cant see neotweak or other options to change the settings am i going mad or just stupid....be kind.

great app

thanks

jason