[PUMP IT UP] Attention BLACK 2.5 Users: Customize - SPEED vs. RAM vs. STABILITY

[jasjamming]

Here are some tests I have done on BLACK 2.5

File System Memory Allocation: the more memory WM6 allocates, the faster it will run.

Font Cache: the more memory allocation, a faster UI is possible.



Black 2.5 CLEAN Install - FREE RAM on Soft Reset: ~32MB
File System Memory Allocation: Auto
Font Cache: 8192 bytes


Customizations for you to try:

Buzzing - On "SPEED" WM6 (FREE RAM: ~24MB)
File System Memory Allocation: 8mb
Font Cache: 32768 bytes

Performance - Faster WM6 (FREE RAM: ~28MB)
File System Memory Allocation: 4mb
Font Cache: 32768 bytes

Memory - More Free RAM trading off Speed (FREE RAM: ~ 32MB)
File System Memory Allocation: close to zero
Font Cache: 2000 bytes


Going back to the Defaul BLACK 2.5 setting:

Default BLACK - Let WM6 decide - (FREE RAM: mixed results depending on usage)
File System Memory Allocation: Auto (determined by WM6)
Font Cache: 8192 bytes


Ensure you SOFT RESET after installing one of the cabs.

Also, if moving from one CAB setting to another e.g. Memory --> Buzzing, then uninstall Memory, then install Buzzing and soft reset.

Post your results here in this thread.

[jasjamming]

http://www.bestbizcom.com/115213258771_buzzingBee.JPG

[PAPPL]

:)
Only for Black 2.5 or can we all use it?

[jasjamming]

:)
Only for Black 2.5 or can we all use it?


no probs, all can use it, but im not sure what the default settings are on the other ROMS for you to revert back to.

[DR400]

hello !

what does it really do ? can this harm the machine ? what about battery (faster = drain of batt) ?

Thx in advance

[jasjamming]

hello !

what does it really do ? can this harm the machine ? what about battery (faster = drain of batt) ?

Thx in advance


It does not harm the hermes, it just allocates more or less memory (leaving less or more usable) to the file system.

Not sure about battery implications but I beleive it will be the same.

[DR400]

ok I trust you on this one ... i'm gonna try ... let you know about drain of battery (if any) in line with my personnal usage.

[DR400]

just installed ... it looks to me like as fast as black 2.0 ... by the way I was a bit disappointed by 2.5 in comparison with 2.0. Execution of softwares seemed to be faster in 2.0. Using the "buzzing" effect seems to equal in a way the reactiveness of 2.0
Just first thoughts ...

[alanchia67]

thanks jasjamming!

i've tried all, and i prefer 'performance'. also, i've change the close application configuration. a tap exits the application, a longer tap closes it. this gives me more control.

[JamesAub]

Cool, i'll have to play with these! When you allocate more ram to windows, does it come off the Program or Storage space?


As a side note, i havn't noticed Black 2.5 to be any slower than 2.0...

[Mark Crouch]

Hey JJ, nice work dude - will give those a try over the weekend (on call until Friday, so phone has to stay in one piece until then!!)

As a matter of interest, if those CAB files are "just registry settings" (haven't looked, so this is just speculation!), could a utility be written to allow the same values to be adjusted by the user? The system memory and font cache could be controlled by a slider, and the options in the CAB files could be auto-selected from a drop-down list; once any change is made, the user gets the chance to Apply or Cancel and if they tap Apply, the phone is soft-reset....

Shit, I've just written a program spec in three minutes :D :cool:

Just a thought - obviously, if the CAB files do some things that can't easily be handled at the UI level, this is a non-starter :(

......reckon Walshie could knock this together between tinnies :D

What say ye?

Mark.

[chrisjasper]

Oh yes, I like buzzing......

[DR400]

As a side note, i havn't noticed Black 2.5 to be any slower than 2.0...

well just a personal opinion ... maybe switching from WM5 to black 2.0 was such that the gap between black 2.0 and 2.5 was not what expected ...

black 2.0 was damn fast for me ...

black 2.5 is still fast but ... well ... could be better for some applications I use.

but thx JJ for the work done ... those remarks are just for adding my humble stone to the mountain of work you have done so far

[chamelion]

installed buzzing, hoping for some improvements! thanks for this :)

[elivne]

Did you notice any stability changes? does your device freeze?

by default all cache is set to auto and WM6 allocates more and more to the cache(something many users thought was memory leakedge).

I think 8MB is more then enough, the FONT cache should be on 32K(from my tests on the older WM5).

JASJAMMING, your the BEST, thank you for all the efforts! :)

so guys, Did you notice any stability changes?

[alanchia67]

i think it's too early to judge on stability. let us run for days and comment later. so far so good for me.

[kastro]

I'm on the Performance setting - can notice a slight difference....

Shot JJ - Pro 2.5 is going AWESOME so far...

[njmarchetti]

Just installed buzzing and my 8525 is definitely more snappy.

Did a quick test with multiple apps running (Messaging, WMP -playing music, IE, and Live Search open) and everything is running smoothly. Although the 8 mb takes a big chunk out of your program memory.

Looks like more great work JJ.

yums

[lpsi2000]

no probs, all can use it, but im not sure what the default settings are on the other ROMS for you to revert back to.

JJ,
This is excellent work Bro.

Thanks,

[mako111]

just installed ... it looks to me like as fast as black 2.0 ... by the way I was a bit disappointed by 2.5 in comparison with 2.0. Execution of softwares seemed to be faster in 2.0. Using the "buzzing" effect seems to equal in a way the reactiveness of 2.0
Just first thoughts ...

Have to admit I was thinking the same, 2.0 flew and 2.5 was seemingly a little slower. I didn't want to post my thoughts without giving it a chance but have been using since release day.

I have just installed buzzing and early indicators are good, I will report back on stability/speed in a few days.

Thanks JJ.

[mrvanx]

Installed Buzzing, Coreplayer works VERY well now, a/v is synched perfectly on the videos I have encoded for my TyTN. ATiImageon should work a treat once Coreplayer 1.1 is released.

EDIT:: I am still testing this but running Phonealarm tends to slow down the device somewhat. With buzzing installed it works fine.

Dont think this is an excuse to run spb software, it will work but spb is awful anyway.

[DR400]

runs smoothly so far ... no hang up ... no freeze ...

[gtmaniak]

Here are some tests I have done on BLACK 2.5

File System Memory Allocation: the more memory WM6 allocates, the faster it will run.

Font Cache: the more memory allocation, a faster UI is possible.


You the man!!!!

[mrvanx]

OK ive done some tests using Coreplayer to see how the different memory levels affect video playback. Using Coreplayer 1.0.4 set on Directdraw with YV12 overlay. The videos are encoded as in my video encoding guide.

Video 1: Star Trek-First Contact (400MB)
Video 2: Family guy (75MB)

Test 1:
With default setting the results were as seen in these screenshots:
http://www.mrvanx.org/hermes_guide/wm6bss/test1.jpg

Test 2:
With buzzing setting the results were as seen in these screenshots:
http://www.mrvanx.org/hermes_guide/wm6bss/test2.jpg


The videos ran ALOT better in Test 2, audio and video are synced perfectly.
I have also noticed a DRAMATIC speed increase in loading times with all the videos.

cudos to you jasjamming!!! :D

[sk0t]

Running buzzing.. Good so far, too early to tell how much improvement.. But I've noticed little things are much faster now..

[venelar]

Running buzzing for now. One thing i noticed right away (it was my pet peeve) is now when i hit the messaging button on the phone it pulls it up instantly, whereas it took a few seconds to launch before.

Great job jj!

[donsaxena]

buzzing works great on tcpmp .81 i did a test using the movie TMNT it played at 197% benchmark on default and 238% after the use of buzzing.

[Michelangelos]

Black 2.5 CLEAN Install - FREE RAM on Soft Reset: ~32MB
File System Memory Allocation: Auto
Font Cache: 8192 bytes

I was asking that on your Black 2.5 thread.

because I´m not getting the same results as you posted on the images..

look at this please..
I´ve got these numbers after installing your BLACK 2.5 rom...

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i83/Michelangelos/Black3.jpg

is this normal?

I could try these new settings.. but I wanted to be sure that I´m starting to try correctly..
because I don´t see why I´m having less PROGRAM MEMORY free than you if we both have the same device and roms :(

why does this happens?

[weinson]

Just another word of support for "buzzing" ... installed without a hitch, and I definitely am noticing that response time in opening/working with apps is increased.

Even Goodlink (that memory hog) seems a bit more responsive.

Your initial title "speed vs RAM vs stability" implies that we may loose stability if we choose speed ... but so far so good ... no freezes, crashes, white screens or other indicia of instability to report yet.

[PAPPL]

OK ive done some tests using Coreplayer to see how the different memory levels affect video playback. Using Coreplayer 1.0.4 set on Directdraw with YV12 overlay. The videos are encoded as in my video encoding guide.

Video 1: Star Trek-First Contact (400MB)
Video 2: Family guy (75MB)

Test 1:


Test 2:



The videos ran ALOT better in Test 2, audio and video are synced perfectly.
I have also noticed a DRAMATIC speed increase in loading times with all the videos.

cudos to you jasjamming!!! :D

Coreplayer has a button called Benchmark. Can you post results of this Benchmark between TEST1 and TEST2 so we can exactly know how much better is better.

[mrvanx]

Coreplayer has a button called Benchmark. Can you post results of this Benchmark between TEST1 and TEST2 so we can exactly know how much better is better.

Yer gimme a minute il give it a shot

EDIT:: somethings come up, il have to post the benchmarks later

[Michelangelos]

I´ve tried the buzzing settings...

and Instead having
Buzzing - On "SPEED" WM6 (FREE RAM: ~24MB)

I´m having
Buzzing - On "SPEED" WM6 (FREE RAM: ~19MB)

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

So .. MY PROBLEM CONTINUES (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1233811&postcount=28)
where is my ram???

In settings/system/memory I can see only activesync running

I´ve used Task manager to check the processes running:

filesys.exe 2038kb \windows\filesys.exe
device.exe 1698kb \windows\device.exe 20
gwes.exe 1566kb \windows\gwes.exe 28
cprog 918kb \windows\cprog.exe -n
shell32.exe 465kb \windows\shell32.exe 50
repllog.exe 232kb \windows\repllog.exe /sched /remote /h
services.exe 217kb \windows\services.exe 60
rapiclnt 145 kb \windows\rapiclnt.exe -drndis_peer
connmgr.exe 100kb \windows\connmgr.exe 70
tmail.exe 86kb \windows\tmail.exe -RunInBKG


CAN ANYONE HELP ME?

cheers!

[jmuratalla]

I´ve tried the buzzing settings.

So far I have noticed that GPRS icon changed from E to G.

Is this a problem with performance?

[lpsi2000]

I´ve tried the buzzing settings.

So far I have noticed that GPRS icon changed from E to G.

Is this a problem with performance?

This might be completely unrelated issue. The cabs are making registry changes that should not affect the Icon

[lpsi2000]

I´ve tried the buzzing settings...

and Instead having
Buzzing - On "SPEED" WM6 (FREE RAM: ~24MB)

I´m having
Buzzing - On "SPEED" WM6 (FREE RAM: ~19MB)

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

So .. MY PROBLEM CONTINUES (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1233811&postcount=28)
where is my ram???

In settings/system/memory I can see only activesync running

I´ve used Task manager to check the processes running:

filesys.exe 2038kb \windows\filesys.exe
device.exe 1698kb \windows\device.exe 20
gwes.exe 1566kb \windows\gwes.exe 28
cprog 918kb \windows\cprog.exe -n
shell32.exe 465kb \windows\shell32.exe 50
repllog.exe 232kb \windows\repllog.exe /sched /remote /h
services.exe 217kb \windows\services.exe 60
rapiclnt 145 kb \windows\rapiclnt.exe -drndis_peer
connmgr.exe 100kb \windows\connmgr.exe 70
tmail.exe 86kb \windows\tmail.exe -RunInBKG


CAN ANYONE HELP ME?

cheers!



This could be because you have more apps installed and running. If you want to compare the memory, then you should do it after a hard reset.

[Inphyy]

Hey JJ, nice work dude - will give those a try over the weekend (on call until Friday, so phone has to stay in one piece until then!!)

As a matter of interest, if those CAB files are "just registry settings" (haven't looked, so this is just speculation!), could a utility be written to allow the same values to be adjusted by the user? The system memory and font cache could be controlled by a slider, and the options in the CAB files could be auto-selected from a drop-down list; once any change is made, the user gets the chance to Apply or Cancel and if they tap Apply, the phone is soft-reset....

Shit, I've just written a program spec in three minutes :D :cool:

Just a thought - obviously, if the CAB files do some things that can't easily be handled at the UI level, this is a non-starter :(

......reckon Walshie could knock this together between tinnies :D

What say ye?

Mark.
I could try making something like this, if anyone's interested

Edit: altough the app would probaby take a few more kb's than the cabs

[PAPPL]

I could try making something like this, if anyone's interested

Edit: altough the app would probaby take a few more kb's than the cabs

Doesn't matter, would be nice to see this option in tweak utilitys like TweakUI or dutty's advanced setup

[moisha]

Dont think this is an excuse to run spb software, it will work but spb is awful anyway.

SPB Shell and Pocket Plus both being rock solid for me for the past 30 days or so on Black 2.0 with o2plus, PZPTools, BlackBerry Connect and coreplayer via mono BT.

The only 2 reasons I was looking up to 2.5 were
a) activesync crashes transfering files
b) "memory leak"
But now ( thanks for bringing this up , elivne ) - I checked and see that cache is really set to auto ... now I know were memory is "leaking" to :-)

[Inphyy]

Did a benchmark with Default and with Buzzing in Coreplayer.

Default1 :171.91%
Default2 :165.xx%
Default3 :154.xx%
Buzzing1 :178.41%
Buzzing2 :179.xx%
Could it be me not setting Coreplayer up right? (have only disabled accelleration on the imageON)

Edit:
checked the cabs btw and
"
Buzzing - On "SPEED" WM6 (FREE RAM: ~24MB)
File System Memory Allocation: 8mb
Font Cache: 32768 bytes
"
would this be:?
"CacheSize" value="16384"
"limit" value="32768"
which it seems is what the cab sets.

Edit2:
Sorry if this is a stupid question., it just seemed that some people got an extensive performance boost in coreplayer
Edit3: Did a few more Benchmarks

[moisha]

I could try making something like this, if anyone's interested Edit: altough the app would probaby take a few more kb's than the cabs

SK Tools does change fs and font caches along with many other performance tweaks.

[Inphyy]

SK Tools does change fs and font caches along with many other performance tweaks.
What's SK Tools?

[JasenR]

What's SK Tools?

http://www.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=1&jid=42DXC8C225D99F272736781BE697C2D1&language=english&platformId=2&N=96806&Ntt=sktools&R=124064

[ns73]

I've noticed with BUZZING that TomTom 6 is not jerky in preview of route mode when running the preview at max 500% speeded up!

Maps were smoother, ran faster along the maps etc.

Interestingly, under WM5, with default settings, even though WM5 is known to be slowwwwwww, this did not happen.

Sticking with Buzzing for now as my WM6 Orange M3100 device likes it. Only got GPRS Monitor app (Efficiasoft) in startup folder as don't use push email etc....

[galahor]

I installed buzzing cab but when I reset, the Tytn hunged at 5 minutes. Green ligth was flashing but Tytn was dead untill I reset again. I back dafault cab again

[donsaxena]

I had buzzing then went to memory b/c i do run some 3rd party stuff like microsoft voice command, but i keep the windows startup clean with sktools. I did a benchmark using TCPMP and got 237% and then i went to memory and got 267% however, i don't know how it effets sktools benchmarks.

I see that the buzzing is good for some things but my video runs better on memory mode. Is everyone going for the buzzing?

[fun_key]

I also gave a try; speed improvement is very noticable!
Sadly I experienced a freeze 5 min later. The current application was a little responsive (very very slow); i could turn on/off the device but I had to reset it in order to get it fully responsive again.

I had allready experienced this behaviour without speed improvement with black 2.5; and in order to solve that I removed some of the suspicous app I had.
Here is what was remaining when crash occured:
-Resco explorer 2007
-Registry addin for resco
-Today plugin for resco
-Smile skin for resco's today
-Cyberon voice dailer
-Com manager vibra toggle
-tomtom 6.030
-spb gprs mon
-Adobe reader LE
-Core codec

[jpeterson99]

Buzz is working well so far...noticeable difference in speed!

[Pumpiron579]

Dude, Buzzing smokes, everytghing is so much faster.

[jcute]

Can i use this cab on my rom (WM6) not BLACK2.5 ?

[jasjamming]

Dude, Buzzing smokes, everytghing is so much faster.


Anyone care to to an SPB benchmark of Black 2.5 with:

1. Buzzing
2. Performance
3. Memory
4. Default

and post the results.

Also ensure that the device has just undergone a HR and only spb benchmark is installed.

I would do it but I gotta pull my finger out and do some productive work. :P

[mmoonsamy]

installed buzzing...more responsive now...not that it was bad with out it..
good stuff...thanks a mil

[torklemm]

Hi all,

just installed Buzzing, as I had the same feeling that Black 2.0 was a bit snappier then 2.5.
But then I came across another thing.
I realized that on my 2.5 install the Task Manager was pre-set to "End program by tapping 'X'"
As far as I recall, I had it set in 2.0 to "End program by tapping and holding 'X'", as I wanted some programs like 'Calendar', 'Contacts' to stay in the memory, and only programs I wanted to 'kill' after usage by holding 'X'.
Obviously keeping some programs in the memory makes them respond on usage a bit quicker in comparison to the OS has to load every time they are used.
So I switched the Task Manager to 'tapping and holding', and now the whole device seems much more responsive when using the 'daily' programs.

[jasjamming]

Hi all,

just installed Buzzing, as I had the same feeling that Black 2.0 was a bit snappier then 2.5.
But then I came across another thing.
I realized that on my 2.5 install the Task Manager was pre-set to "End program by tapping 'X'"
As far as I recall, I had it set in 2.0 to "End program by tapping and holding 'X'", as I wanted some programs like 'Calendar', 'Contacts' to stay in the memory, and only programs I wanted to 'kill' after usage by holding 'X'.
Obviously keeping some programs in the memory makes them respond on usage a bit quicker in comparison to the OS has to load every time they are used.
So I switched the Task Manager to 'tapping and holding', and now the whole device seems much more responsive when using the 'daily' programs.

well... obviously,

but the performance cabs in this post are something totally different.

[torklemm]

Hi JJ,

absolutely right, just thought I mentioned it, as I just overlooked the Task Manager settings after installing 2.5

BTW, thanks for all the great work !!!

[rockky]

I had gone back and forth between 2.0 and 2.5 and determined 2.0 was definetely quicker (IE always gave me 800-950kbps readings on 2.0...but gave measures 200-300pts lower on 2.5 unfortunately in the same locations....same radio btw).

I'm looking forward to playing with these cabs when I get home on 2.5!

[whatledog]

jcute, Read Post #4...

Installed Buzzing on Dutty2 med, and... Whoa!!! I mean Wow!!! Whatever!!!:p

Thanks!:D

[sk0t]

Okay, after playing with buzzing, I dropped down to performance.. I was having some stability issues with random applications.. The device would just "freeze" completely.. So far with performance though it seems to be handling everything much much better..

[chrisjasper]

I have also dropped down to performance, started getting random freezes with buzzing installed.

[donsaxena]

i too have dropped down to performance...stability issues with buzzing with vm net browser

[serphinox]

You can also use SKtools and click on Tune Up to change the settings instead of installing the .Cab files.

Just remember the previous settings before doing it.

I have set System Cache to 8MB and Font Cache to 64K and its superb!

Just though all of ya should know.

[silverfox0214]

Installed buzzing two days ago. The phone app slams open and shut with new crispness. Everything else seems great as well.

JJ, excellent work again!

[sk0t]

After running performance now for a bit, it's definitely way more stable.. I don't think I've need to soft reset or anything since going to it.. Definitely some overall improvement.. Some things seem to be faster and more responsive.. I'll stick with performance for sure..

[galahor]

With booster, my Tytn freeze. I changed to perfomance and now all is OK again

[DR400]

"Buzz" is amazing but (for me) a little too instable (even if I never really encountered any freeze of any kind, but it is more about strange behaviour from the machine)

"Perf" is ok, more stable almost perfect but it's missing of course the reactiveness of "buzz". For me the difference between "buzz" and "perf", reactivenesswise, is really noticeable but can't compete with stability.

Hope this helps others to make up their mind.

[chamelion]

have been running buzz since you released it, vario ii is running like a CHARM. not a single problem, not a single freeze, everything is super snappy.

thanks so much for this :)

[dale.hickey]

OK ive done some tests using Coreplayer to see how the different memory levels affect video playback. Using Coreplayer 1.0.4 set on Directdraw with YV12 overlay. The videos are encoded as in my video encoding guide.

Video 1: Star Trek-First Contact (400MB)
Video 2: Family guy (75MB)

Test 1:
With default setting the results were as seen in these screenshots:
http://www.mrvanx.org/hermes_guide/wm6bss/test1.jpg

Test 2:
With buzzing setting the results were as seen in these screenshots:
http://www.mrvanx.org/hermes_guide/wm6bss/test2.jpg


The videos ran ALOT better in Test 2, audio and video are synced perfectly.
I have also noticed a DRAMATIC speed increase in loading times with all the videos.

cudos to you jasjamming!!! :D

Try The Benchmark in corplayer b4 and after, will tell you the max speed the video can run at, the faster the better :)

[MaRaHoX]

Yeah, performance settings works GR8, thanks a lot for testing JJ;) - originaly user own setting of these values, but these look better:)

[rhymer2k]

sorry all i had to do was read xda-wiki

[jasjamming]

ok guys,

I will have an application for these performance settings as well as other customizations soon.

my applicaiton is entitled "PIMP my BLACK"

It will makes its debut with BLACK 3.0, hopefully within 7-8 days.

[peezy]

F*king Tight!

JJ your a stud dude...my donation is coming with 3.0 for your malt liqour and online pr0n!

[rhymer2k]

ok... so i,ve installed buzzing and it was ok... but whenever i tried opening a video which i played earlier today without any problems my phone freezes... i tried performance and had the same problems... now after a few days... it has stopped freezing, is now more stable and audio and video are almost perfectly synced.. apllications open and shut faster now... thnx a lot



T-Mobile Vario II (Herm300)
WM6 Black V2.5
Radio Rom 1.40.30.00
IPL-1.04
SPL-2.10 OliPro

[c0wb0ycliche]

Will the registry edits in the XML of the .cab files work if done manually with a registry editory when running say a WM5 ROM?

[Surobrain]

OK, so if I pick "Performance" I gain 4 MB of File System Memory Allocation, which is different or additional to the 4 MB of page pool memory that Black 2.5 Standard provides? It may be a dumb question, but how is Page Pool different from File System Memory Allocation?

BTW

Jas:

Great work, you've made me a believer...

Completely unrelated...but down under are strong ales (> 10%) ever called Barleywine and can you get them? Just wonderin, I know the Brits call them "strong ales". Out here in the land of microbrew, all is possible and available..

[peezy]

malt liqour always does the trick!

schlitz
steele reserve 211
old english
paps blue ribbon (pbr)

all less thank $2 usd for a 40oz and 8-10% alc. cant beat that!

[peter petrelli]

terrific work jas, quite a noticable difference in speed