How Do I Install ROM's Without the Bloat?

[madmatt079]

Good afternoon, everyone. I am sure this have been covered before.

I own a Cingular 8525 and I am using the latest official release. I understand a new ROM will be released shortly and I'd like to know how to install the ROM without all the bloat that Cingular builds into it.

However, I need the custom settings, such as the settings for GPRS (I utilize Push) and other Cingular settings (such as TXT settings and voicemail) that are needed.

From what I gather you can soft reset before the custom installation, but that's where I need to know what to do to get the settings in place. I imagine from what I've read that this is easy but I can't find how others have done it.

Any help is greatly appreciated. I'd like to be able to print any help for future reference.

Thank you in advance.

[mrvanx]

Most of the 'BLOAT' is built into the ROM itself anyway, so you would need to 'bake' the ROM in order to get rid of it which would be a bigger P.I.T.A than it is worth. If you are wishing to go for a 'clean' ROM with minimal crap in it then you could always try one of the latest WM6 ROMs, black (for example) has a cingular flavour which you can use (it has all the standard cingular stuff in it, except it is WM6). Id recommend giving that a shot if you wanna try it.

To upgrade to black 2.5 you can use my guide (http://www.mrvanx.org/hermes_guide/black) and when you come to the part where you download the ROM select the one for cingular users.

[madmatt079]

Thank you for the link, however, I do not want to use unofficial releases.

I don't necessarily agree with everything you've said. Granted, I am sure you have more experience when it comes to this.

I did a hard reset on my phone a few months ago and then a soft reset before the custom installation started. Much of the bloat was absent but I couldn't figure out those custom settings that I did need.

Maybe I am mistaken...?

[austinsnyc]

what custom settings do you need? thats where im a little confuzzuled.. the data settings? the MMS settings? if thats it they can all be installed with ne effort byy using the Cingular Settings cab thats floating around. other than the data and MMS which can also be entered manualy if you know them by heart or write them down before upgrading the rom. come to think of all can be installed by cabs just.

[ronfin44]

Thank you for the link, however, I do not want to use unofficial releases.

I don't necessarily agree with everything you've said. Granted, I am sure you have more experience when it comes to this.

I did a hard reset on my phone a few months ago and then a soft reset before the custom installation started. Much of the bloat was absent but I couldn't figure out those custom settings that I did need.

Maybe I am mistaken...?


All you do with a hard reset is remove apps or whatever else you installed in the device. You can't remove this "bloat", or in other words, what the phone had when you first turned it on. It's in the ROM, and what the post above already told you, you can only get a basic ROM without the added crap if you upgrade to WM6. Are you looking for a WM5 that someone bothered to take the time to remove stuff from? That's, um, as they said at Bastogne, nuts! ;)

[madmatt079]

Guys, I'm not looking to incite an arguement, but I know this is not the case.

For instance, when I did a hard reset then a soft reset before the customization began I didn't have a bunch of applications, such as: ClearVue PDF, Download Agent, Voice Speed Dial, SIM Manager, Zip, and a few others.

Now, that is only if I recall correctly, but I am fairly certain that at least a few of those were in fact missing. I also didn't have the Cingular theme.

As I previously said, I have not and do not want to use an unofficially released ROM.

I have a colleague that has the MDA (T-Mobile) and he told me about this process. However, he could only provide me with information related to the MDA.

austinsync: Could you please point me in the direction of the settings CAB or the settings for MMS/data/etc. for the 8525?

Thanks everyone for reading and attempting to help/or helping. Thanks.

[ach2]

The best way to find out what "bloat" you have is to unlock your extended rom and check what cab files are included in it. Anything else on your phone is either part of the ROM or installed by you later.

There's one method of unlocking/unhiding here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=283750 or if you know the ROM version the extended ROM contents may already be listed here http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_ExtendedRoms

You can also modify your extended ROM (but I can't find the tutorial at the moment) , and there are also many links to cab files for the Cingular settings.

The only problem with researching for this info is that it'll open your eyes to the many possibilities the Hermes has and you may get hooked on WM6 and upgrading :)



Guys, I'm not looking to incite an arguement, but I know this is not the case.

For instance, when I did a hard reset then a soft reset before the customization began I didn't have a bunch of applications, such as: ClearVue PDF, Download Agent, Voice Speed Dial, SIM Manager, Zip, and a few others.

Now, that is only if I recall correctly, but I am fairly certain that at least a few of those were in fact missing. I also didn't have the Cingular theme.

As I previously said, I have not and do not want to use an unofficially released ROM.

I have a colleague that has the MDA (T-Mobile) and he told me about this process. However, he could only provide me with information related to the MDA.

austinsync: Could you please point me in the direction of the settings CAB or the settings for MMS/data/etc. for the 8525?

Thanks everyone for reading and attempting to help/or helping. Thanks.

[madmatt079]

I just upgraded to the latest officially released ROM from HTC and AT&T (http://www.america.htc.com/support/8525/software-downloads.html).

And now there is even more bloat, such as AT&T Music and an animated startup.

[JasenR]

We know, that is why many of us here use ROMs from the kitchen. That is where the bloat is removed. From PDA to high-end PC when it comes from the factory it will have bloatware installed.

[ChaoticDruid]

I just upgraded to the latest officially released ROM from HTC and AT&T (http://www.america .htc.com/support/8525 /software-downloads.html ).

And now there is even more bloat, such as AT&T Music and an animated startup.

Wow...you catch on quick.

I suggest you try reading more.

Btw, you don't have to manually enter yout txt and voicemail settings..just go to "phone" "services" and "get settings" and that may not even be required, and its really simple to enter your data settings manually...but that would require reading also.

[ronfin44]

I just upgraded to the latest officially released ROM from HTC and AT&T (http://www.america.htc.com/support/8525/software-downloads.html).

And now there is even more bloat, such as AT&T Music and an animated startup.


:rolleyes:

Gee, ya think? That's why we keep repeating ourselves by telling you to update to one of the cooked ROMS here, since they're as basic as they come and you can add whatever CABs, or as you say "bloat", to your own personal liking. *sigh*

[gr8hifi]

It sounds like a little confusion is happening. I see where the guy (girl?) is coming from. when you run the .exe file from HTC's website, it installs a basic image. When the device reboots, a "Batch file" runs that goes through a bunch of pre-loaded cabs installing a lot of extra apps (bloat). What madmatt079 did in the past was, right before the device says "customizing your phone" he/she hit the soft reset. This interupted the "batch file" prohibiting the cabs from being installed. Though the cabs were sitting in the wings waiting, they were never executed resulting in less "icons" on the screens. But, this also keeps some of the cingular specific settings from taking hold.
I understand his un-willingness to install a baked ROM. Doing it his soft-reset way gives him a warm fuzzy when it comes to keeping the phone stock, but not really stock you know. I think the correct answer here is the search feature. Either that, or let the ROM go all the way through, wirte your setting down on paper, then redo the ROM and stop it mid stream. The stuff will be there, just not fully installed.

Good luck with it.

[tco]

I just upgraded to the latest officially released ROM from HTC and AT&T (http://www.america.htc.com/support/8525/software-downloads.html).

And now there is even more bloat, such as AT&T Music and an animated startup.

As it has been stated...the bloat is in the ROM...not the extended rom that runs after a hard resest.

here are the contents of the extended ROM:

LOCK:Enabled
CAB: \Extended_ROM\C_Cingular_GoodEmail_081606.sa.CAB
CAB: \Extended_ROM\C_getmail.htc8525.cab
CAB: \Extended_ROM\C_HSDPA_Wirelss_Modem_Stall.cab
CAB: \Extended_ROM\C_GetTeleNav.CAB
CAB: \Extended_ROM\MT_PC_Hermes_PTT_REG_070129.CAB
CAB: \Extended_ROM\PP_PIE_Default.CAB
CAB: \Extended_ROM\ShortString_Keypad_XML.CAB
CAB: \Extended_ROM\SMS_Setting_07Jun06.CAB
CAB: \Extended_ROM\SPM_Fix_ITS#2990.cab
CAB: \Extended_ROM\PP_XpressMail_launchCamera.cab
CAB: \Extended_ROM\ppcquickstart_QVGA.PPC_Draft_11-17.CAB
CAB: \Extended_ROM\ST_Audio216Patch_20070409.CAB


None of these include the "music bloat" or start up screen.

One of the biggest advanatages of "Cooked Roms" is the stripping of the bloat. This is why cooked roms run faster and appear to be much more stable.

[ronfin44]

It sounds like a little confusion is happening. I see where the guy (girl?) is coming from. when you run the .exe file from HTC's website, it installs a basic image. When the device reboots, a "Batch file" runs that goes through a bunch of pre-loaded cabs installing a lot of extra apps (bloat). What madmatt079 did in the past was, right before the device says "customizing your phone" he/she hit the soft reset. This interupted the "batch file" prohibiting the cabs from being installed. Though the cabs were sitting in the wings waiting, they were never executed resulting in less "icons" on the screens. But, this also keeps some of the cingular specific settings from taking hold.
I understand his un-willingness to install a baked ROM. Doing it his soft-reset way gives him a warm fuzzy when it comes to keeping the phone stock, but not really stock you know. I think the correct answer here is the search feature. Either that, or let the ROM go all the way through, wirte your setting down on paper, then redo the ROM and stop it mid stream. The stuff will be there, just not fully installed.

Good luck with it.

Yeah, I figured that, and he's super lucky he didn't brick the phone. I had that happen to me doing what he did. Thankfully it was under warrenty and a new one was shipped a few days later.

[madmatt079]

I'm not going to comment on any one post in particular. However, there is no need to tell me to “try reading more”. This site is here for a purpose. Forgive me for not being an expert. That is exactly why I am here, so I can learn from the best.

As for those of you who have attempted to help me and offer me a starting point, thank you.

I now see what you are talking about regarding the soft resets and that the bloat is in fact included in the ROM (rofin44: I test upgrades against a second 8525 that is not on contract, but I need a stable build and that's why I usually go with official releases).

So instead of asking for more information on how to, I’d like to know which ROM you recommend for the Cingular 8525; preferably a basic ROM with no additional software but easy to install the settings needed from the Extended ROM. If that makes sense?

Thank you again.

[Willgb]

Good afternoon, everyone. I am sure this have been covered before.

I own a Cingular 8525 and I am using the latest official release. I understand a new ROM will be released shortly and I'd like to know how to install the ROM without all the bloat that Cingular builds into it.

However, I need the custom settings, such as the settings for GPRS (I utilize Push) and other Cingular settings (such as TXT settings and voicemail) that are needed.

From what I gather you can soft reset before the custom installation, but that's where I need to know what to do to get the settings in place. I imagine from what I've read that this is easy but I can't find how others have done it.

Any help is greatly appreciated. I'd like to be able to print any help for future reference.

Thank you in advance.

Please. You can send me this Rom, because I am with Kaiser locked in the screen three-colored and necessary of Rom Original that is same yours. Thank you very much.
willgb@crossrace.com.br

[zocster]

I honestly can not understand why you don't want to go to 'unofficial' release. The unofficial releases of 6.1 these days are just way better than the official ones. If you really want a semi official one you might want to try vp3g's ROM (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=313392), however I am more than happy with CRC's.

My hermes only has 64 mb of RAM and 128 of ROM, I need the least amount of stuff in it yet I want stable so I can use it for my bizo. I have no need to have live search, as I don't live in the US, so I have a win win situation there.

[veyka]

Carriers make a good OS bad!

I would say CRC's v11.2 (v12.4 is faster, but there's glitches)

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=387990

If you want a faster phone at the cost of some ram, I would say put the pagepoll up to 8megs, ill stick the program for doing it onto the post.