Backup for WM06

[Nadavi]

Which Program to use?

Spb backup?
Sprite backup?

Which one restores perfect backups on WM06?

NAdavi

[qyach]

Sunnysoft Backup Manager
http://www.sunnysoft.cz/software.php?idarticle=245

[Nadavi]

Have you tested it over WM06?

[qyach]

It works fine in Hermes WM6

[Nadavi]

It works fine in Hermes WM6

ok

i will try.

Thanks

NAdavi

[racerx_]

ok i have a question here.. now that i forsee we're going to be in a ROM flashing frenzy for a while, i don't want to manually reinstall everything everytime. So i used sunnysoft backup, but i didn't back up the registry (obviously some programs and settings aren't backed up) cause i figured some of the patches that are being released in newer ROM versions are registry tweaks..

so if i restore a backed up registry, won't there be a chance that it negates the registry tweak in the newer version?

thanks..

[aZooZa]

I'm no expert, but to my mind, if you want to back up your device and be able to restore it to the same state, you must include the registry in the backup.

[rdkay]

When I try to install it says: Please install ActiveSync !! However I have ActiveSync 4.5 installed, any ideas or a CAB file??

Cheers

[racerx_]

I'm no expert, but to my mind, if you want to back up your device and be able to restore it to the same state, you must include the registry in the backup.


yeah i understand that.. what i'm asking is if a full backup (of registry and all) will really work, when i'm restoring it on an updated ROM. Cause that updated ROM would presumably have updated registry values.. then i'd be restoring some old registry values on top of it, etc...

someone have some thoughts on this? or what's worked and what hasn't?

[Matterhorn]

yeah i understand that.. what i'm asking is if a full backup (of registry and all) will really work, when i'm restoring it on an updated ROM. Cause that updated ROM would presumably have updated registry values.. then i'd be restoring some old registry values on top of it, etc...

someone have some thoughts on this? or what's worked and what hasn't?
While I think most will agree that the cleanest method is to reinstall all apps after a hard reset/rom upgrade, Sprite does have an option for backing up your system before a rom upgrade...personally I don't do it.

[FuzzMunky]

yeah i understand that.. what i'm asking is if a full backup (of registry and all) will really work, when i'm restoring it on an updated ROM. Cause that updated ROM would presumably have updated registry values.. then i'd be restoring some old registry values on top of it, etc...

someone have some thoughts on this? or what's worked and what hasn't?

Absolutely!
An example. I performed a full SPB backup after installing everthing onto mUn's wm6 rom the otherday. Then lvsw released his. So i installed his ROM, tested it a bit and activesync etc worked fine. Then I installed the backup (including registry) from mUn's rom and it changed a lot of things. removed some programs, etc. The activesync was not working anymore, just like on mUn's rom. Basically a full backup replaces all the folders including windows folder, so all software loaded into the ROM will be deleted and replaced. For some reason they dont try and merge the folders. Anyway. My point is that it is a very messy way to do things to install a full registry backup on a new updated ROM. It is absolutely fine on the same rom, and my backup proved very time-saving when I moved back to mUn's.

[racerx_]

thanks for that.. just what i was wondering..

so, on a totally separate thought (hope it's ok to post here), does anyone know how to extract cab files from installers.. cause some of my programs only have windows .exe files.. it would speed up the re-instatement of my pda if i had everything on cab files, since a full backup isn't gonna do it.

[shayd]

thanks for that.. just what i was wondering..

so, on a totally separate thought (hope it's ok to post here), does anyone know how to extract cab files from installers.. cause some of my programs only have windows .exe files.. it would speed up the re-instatement of my pda if i had everything on cab files, since a full backup isn't gonna do it.

On your PC go to: Program Files\Microsoft ActiveSync.

[KamaL]

So basically I understand that to make a backup of the programs to be used on a newer WM6 rom, I would need to backup also the registry of the current rom, but this by itself can lead to preserving bugs in the current ROM.

Is there a way other than installing cab files, to make this easier?? I'm interested mostly in backing up the SKYSCAPE medical appplications I currently have installed. Some of these apps are 50MB sized, and it takes lots of time to install them. Is there a way to backup these programs that do not affect essential functions (like phone, today screen)??

[mac.horst]

Is there a way other than installing cab files, to make this easier??

look here:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1251367&postcount=1

[Nadavi]

SPB POCKET BACKUP 1.6
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/backup/?en

Should support WM06.

Nadavi

[NeilM]

So basically I understand that to make a backup of the programs to be used on a newer WM6 rom, I would need to backup also the registry of the current rom, but this by itself can lead to preserving bugs in the current ROM.

Is there a way other than installing cab files, to make this easier?? I'm interested mostly in backing up the SKYSCAPE medical appplications I currently have installed. Some of these apps are 50MB sized, and it takes lots of time to install them. Is there a way to backup these programs that do not affect essential functions (like phone, today screen)??

Kamal- unfortunately you can't restore any Skyscape products after a ROM update, because the Device ID changes each time (unlike Mobipocket/Handheldmed, where the PID stays the same). You can get new reg codes via the Skyscape website, but it is better to do a full reinstall of the Reader application each time. The basic Data folder (which is the large one, as you say) will remain on the SD card whatever the ROM state.

So, you are back to square one, in that you shouldn't apply a Restore after a ROM update, unless you are just reinstalling the same ROM version. Restores only restore the contents of the Storage memory- they don't affect files in ROM (ie a restore prompts a soft reset, not a hard reset)

The Sprite ROM update option is buggy and difficult to execute. You have to take an image of the device before the ROM update, then do the update, then run another program which compares the contents of the current ROM and the previous Backup, then supposedly only updates the changed files, ignoring the new ones. But reports I've seen suggest this is flakey at best, and that the contents of messaging folders gets corrupted.

If you are taking the trouble to do a ROM update, presumably to improve performance, it is better to do a full reinstall of your apps using cab files, or ActiveSync Add/Remove (except Skyscape products :) )

[KamaL]

Kamal- unfortunately you can't restore any Skyscape products after a ROM update, because the Device ID changes each time (unlike Mobipocket/Handheldmed, where the PID stays the same). You can get new reg codes via the Skyscape website, but it is better to do a full reinstall of the Reader application each time. The basic Data folder (which is the large one, as you say) will remain on the SD card whatever the ROM state.

So, you are back to square one, in that you shouldn't apply a Restore after a ROM update, unless you are just reinstalling the same ROM version. Restores only restore the contents of the Storage memory- they don't affect files in ROM (ie a restore prompts a soft reset, not a hard reset)

The Sprite ROM update option is buggy and difficult to execute. You have to take an image of the device before the ROM update, then do the update, then run another program which compares the contents of the current ROM and the previous Backup, then supposedly only updates the changed files, ignoring the new ones. But reports I've seen suggest this is flakey at best, and that the contents of messaging folders gets corrupted.

If you are taking the trouble to do a ROM update, presumably to improve performance, it is better to do a full reinstall of your apps using cab files, or ActiveSync Add/Remove (except Skyscape products :) )

Thanks for the reply :) I didn't understand something about the Data folder on the storage card. Suppose I have 3-4 skyscape products installed on the stroage card, can I keep those folders and install only the viewer the next time I make a rom upgrade??

[NeilM]

I'm not sure!

I tend to just run My Skyscape after each ROM upgrade- takes a couple of minutes to reinstall but I find its worth it. As the main data remains on the card, it might be worth just trying ActiveSync Add/Remove to reinstall the reader apps, though IIRC this didn't work on WM2003 as the newly installed reader wouldn't find the Data :(

But, Skyscape do seem to have imprpved their installers recently (despite the awful SmartUpdate app!)

[JeRoMe_aKa_JaY]

I tried sprite backup and it crashed on faman fr rom... anyone use it ?

[Cyrus Kourosh]

Nice summary and tests of 5 Backup programs (In French):
http://www.mobinaute.com/75163-sauvegarde-backup-systeme-pocket-pc.html

[skhorchid]

SPB POCKET BACKUP 1.6
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/backup/?en

Should support WM06.

Nadavi

Hello,

If you backup to the same ROM version then it is ok but if your restore a different ROM version then you will miss some of the vital parts of the software.

[skhorchid]

Just read this link from spb software backup this backup does not support a different ROM restore it is clearly mentioned so take care, it is good only for same ROM backup...:cool:


http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/backup/Spb_Backup_User_Manual.pdf?en

[dormone]

Hi guys,
I had performed a backup on my P3600 with udK 3.0 ITA WM6. After backup in the file log there are these informations:
Backup process started...
Unable to read from file "\Windows\btdisk.tmp".
Unable to read from file "\Windows\compimeh.0410.dat".
Unable to read from file "\Windows\System\SQM\Sessions\WordMobile".
Total storing time: 4:10.569

As your opinion, those errors will create problems in case of restoring?