Check It Out The Xda Flame!

[S1MB4D]

HERE

http://www.seeo2.com/product/XdaFlame/template/XdaFlameFeatures.vm

WTF IS IT COMING TO THE UK?

[uniqueboy]

Looks cool, but no GPS?

[hdubli]

Only for Asia :)

[wildsetup]

Good
3.6” TFT VGA LCD

NO good
Dimensions: Approx. 126(L) x 74(W) x17.5(T) mm; Weight with battery: 190g

But: who is the manifacturer?

w_s

[S1MB4D]

Only for Asia :)

WHAT!!!!!!

O and it is made by Asus!

[Tabbe]

WHAT!!!!!!

O and it is made by Asus!

nope
arima communication
its a gd pda phone
big is the idea as i find nowadays pda is hard to c!
tatsdiy.com got a TV OUT demo on its site

[ianpac]

Official launch date is May 15.

I see this unit as being the long awaited upgrade to my XDA2, the dimensions are very similar but it is lightyears ahead in all specs and blows away the competition. This is what htc should have been working on instead of moving its product line towards a smartphone design.

O2 asia said they would offer a free upgrade to WM6 once they have tested it.

The USB OTG will be a huge benefit, meaning this PPC will no longer be tied to synchronization with a PC - you can use it with USB flash drives, printers, cameras etc.

IMHO, this is the best all round package you can currently buy and well worth importing it if you want a XDA2 replacement. The presentation is a bit disappointing though, pretty bland but everything else is spot on.

[lmf_slacker]

its available in Singapore already, priced currently at SGD1498

[kdskamal]

its available in Singapore already, priced currently at SGD1498

hmm, IMHO, that looks like cheap launch price as compared to what HTC universal debuted there :p

[Ultimate Chicken]

It's the only PDA I know with an embedded dedicated graphics card. Here are the specs (at the store):

Memory: 128MB RAM (DUDE!), 2112MB ROM
Processor: 520mhz PXA270 (um.)
Band: Triband GSM, 3.5G
Connectivity: BT2.0, Wifi B/G, Consumer-level IR(DA)
Graphics: Nvidia GoForce 5500 (not to be confused with the GeForce Go used in Laptops, but this will help A LOT.)
Features:
USB (OTG!)
TV-Out
SRS-Audio
microSD slot (why not a standard SD? <_<)

And that's that. My only complaint is that ve haff no FM Radio - I'm not too hot about GPS yet - but methinks an iTech Clip should solve that... >_>

Anyone wants to donate $1500? -.-

[kdskamal]

My only complaint is that ve haff no FM Radio

It has FM radio :P

[Ultimate Chicken]

<_< ok, I just went back to the store. Mentioned nowhere on the brochure or flyer at all. It's something that's marketable so I don't see why it won't be mentioned unless it's not there.

[Mikee4fun]

I think its rediculous that they release it without WM6. I am sure they will offer an upgrade path though. Sweet phone...

[ecsk2]

I was getting ready to get it when I noticed there is no EGPRS :(
Living in GSM 3G deprived NA and being quite ok with EGPRS (but not GPRS) speeds I can live with that, but as far as I can tell there is no EGPRS on this one :(

I know sometimes manufacturers will just say GPRS and it includes both EDGE and GPRS but I have a feeling that this is not the case with the Flame?

AFAIK EGPRS is a SW thing only, so would a hack be thinkable?

Is this not an HTC made device or?

[debonairone]

It's the only PDA I know with an embedded dedicated graphics card. Here are the specs (at the store):

Memory: 128MB RAM (DUDE!), 2112MB ROM
Processor: 520mhz PXA270 (um.)
Band: Triband GSM, 3.5G
Connectivity: BT2.0, Wifi B/G, Consumer-level IR(DA)
Graphics: Nvidia GoForce 5500 (not to be confused with the GeForce Go used in Laptops, but this will help A LOT.)
Features:
USB (OTG!)
TV-Out
SRS-Audio
microSD slot (why not a standard SD? <_<)

And that's that. My only complaint is that ve haff no FM Radio - I'm not too hot about GPS yet - but methinks an iTech Clip should solve that... >_>

Anyone wants to donate $1500? -.-


You must have missed this part....

Audio:
Speakerphone
Stereo speaker
SRS WOW HD (surround sound experience)
FM Radio with RDS function

[eprana]

I think I will wait for

ETEN Glofiish X800

Specification:
# Windows Mobile 6 Professional
# 400Mhz 32bit Samsung SC32442 CPU (= XScale PXA270 CPU @ 520MHz)
# 128MB ROM, 64MB RAM
# VGA (480x640) Touchscreen
# GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS2100
# CSD, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HSDPA
# SDIO, microSD, TransFlash
# WiFi: 802.11b, 802.11g
# GPS: SiRF Star III , 20 channels
# Bluetooth 2.0
# 2 Megapixel primary camera
# Front mounted VGA camera for Video calling
# 1530 mAh Lithium Polymer Battery
# 113.5x60.5x15.8 mm
# FM radio
# 160 grams

due out late August 2007

[ecsk2]

I think I will wait for

ETEN Glofiish X800


Although..the X800 has almost one inch smaller screen :(

[Ultimate Chicken]

^ And internal memory, including system RAM, beat the pants off pretty much everything except the Dopod U1000. About the only thing it loses out to the X800 is the GPS.


You must have missed this part....

Audio:
Speakerphone
Stereo speaker
SRS WOW HD (surround sound experience)
FM Radio with RDS function

I didn't, I mentioned "SRS Sound", and I refuse to quote stereo speaker and speakerphone since those are pretty much part and parcel of PPCs since 2002. As for FM Radio, yeah, my bad. I've since confirmed that it has an FM radio, but it's just not mentioned in the fliers. Rock on <_<

[ecsk2]

^ And internal memory, including system RAM, beat the pants off pretty much everything except the Dopod U1000. About the only thing it loses out to the X800 is the GPS.


Dopod U100 is such a large and akward device though, I've had an O2 and iMate branded one but don't want one again...

[hellogts]

Have been using it for nearly a week. Here's my impression:
- It's big, but not too big for shirt and jeans pocket (without any case)
- Sturdy made - much much better than the XDA trion, which is my last machine.
- Quite responsive, above average, but see battery
- Not many bundled software - no backup, UI tweak,launcher etc. and I don't like the task manager (O2 menu); it does have a better alarm and a basic wireless manager though
- Not enough buttons! (2 side buttons on the left; +/- button and camera button on the right; L/R softkeys + start and ok buttons + Call/Cancel buttons in the front) That's it. No jog dial, no calendar / contact buttons, no hold button
- Auto-focus camera with led. One word - SWEET :)
- 128mb RAM and 2 gig rom ... finally, this people have some sense
- Battery life, now this can be a problem. The PXA family is not known for its battery saving ability (I think the samsung 400 is better), and with a huge screen and ram to boot, I'm sure if you use the performance setting (520 mhz) and use it a lot (gaming, wireless), it won't last for even a day. It is highly recommended that you use programmes like XCPU scalar to scale the the speed to 208 when the machine is idle, and max it at 416 (which is enough for most programmes). Then the battery life will be acceptable.
- Bluetooth, crap. Not entirely O2's fault, but how come after so many years MS(uxK) still can't get it right!? I used to own the XDAIIs and the broadcom stack is much better. I tried iTech and Jarba - the call part is ok but the music part is still not done right. Let's hope with the WM6 upgrade things will be better.

Casio A-10 > Casio E250 > Mio 338 > Asus 620BT > Loox720 > XDAIIs > Asus P525 > iPAC 6818 > XDA Trion > O2 Flame

[ecsk2]

Have been using it for nearly a week.
Casio A-10 > Casio E250 > Mio 338 > Asus 620BT > Loox720 > XDAIIs > Asus P525 > iPAC 6818 > XDA Trion > O2 Flame

If you are an owner of the XDA Flame can you let me know if it DOES or does NOT have EGPRS support? PLEASE!

[hellogts]

Well, the thing is... I don't know. I get conflicted info. on this. Some say it has, some say it hasn't. In the settings, phone, band selection, it allows you to choose 3G, 2.5G, or automatic. 2.5G is EDGE right? I might someday install GPRS monitor to see if the speed is EDGE.

[X_Farhad]

nope, 2.75G is EDGE! i can't believe thishttp://fool.exler.ru/sm/cry2.gif

[ecsk2]

Well, the thing is... I don't know. I get conflicted info. on this. Some say it has, some say it hasn't. In the settings, phone, band selection, it allows you to choose 3G, 2.5G, or automatic. 2.5G is EDGE right? I might someday install GPRS monitor to see if the speed is EDGE.

Well if you have the device you should have the manual? I'm sure it mentions it in the technical part of the manual?

Please let me know as if it DOES have edge I'd get one for sure..

[Ultimate Chicken]

Guys, he won't be able to tell. The E signal (for Edge) is pretty rare around the places this phone has been released. In Singapore, for example, only Starhub supports EDGE, and coverage is spotty because SH was never that serious about it.

[ecsk2]

Guys, he won't be able to tell. The E signal (for Edge) is pretty rare around the places this phone has been released. In Singapore, for example, only Starhub supports EDGE, and coverage is spotty because SH was never that serious about it.

Well first of all these phones are being offered to customers worldwide by independent sellers already, so technically this owner could be anywhere. Secondly yes it is relatively hard to determine from the device alone if it has egprs support or not, my question obviously is towards the documentation included with the device.

[thierryb]

On the doc, they just speak about wcdma and gprs but no edge or egprs

[ecsk2]

On the doc, they just speak about wcdma and gprs but no edge or egprs

Any numbers or speed indication in conjunction with the GPRS? Since Egprs is only a soft update from GPRS.

[Menneisyys]

I used to own the XDAIIs and the broadcom stack is much better. I tried iTech and Jarba - the call part is ok but the music part is still not done right. Let's hope with the WM6 upgrade things will be better.

It won't - see my A2DP tests. You will either need to get compatible headphones (for example, Nokias) or hack the Widcomm stack on the device.

[Menneisyys]

Well, the thing is... I don't know. I get conflicted info. on this. Some say it has, some say it hasn't. In the settings, phone, band selection, it allows you to choose 3G, 2.5G, or automatic. 2.5G is EDGE right? I might someday install GPRS monitor to see if the speed is EDGE.

2.5G = GPRS
2.75G = EDGE

Guys, is it *really* 3.5G (=HSDPA)??? The previous stats only talked about 3G (UMTS).

[Menneisyys]

Did anyone try running OpenGL ES games / emulators??? PLEASE PLEASE give them a try and report back!!!

See their list at http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showthread.php?t=98674 (and also see http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&title=a_review_of_pocket_jongg_3d_v5_a_video_h&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 and http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&title=great_news_to_dell_axim_x50v_x51v_users&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 if interested).

[ecsk2]

2.5G = GPRS
2.75G = EDGE

Guys, is it *really* 3.5G (=HSDPA)??? The previous stats only talked about 3G (UMTS).


Who is/was indicating 3.5G?

[Tabbe]

Did anyone try running OpenGL ES games / emulators??? PLEASE PLEASE give them a try and report back!!!

See their list at http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showthread.php?t=98674 (and also see http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&title=a_review_of_pocket_jongg_3d_v5_a_video_h&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 and http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&title=great_news_to_dell_axim_x50v_x51v_users&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 if interested).

the pocketgba emulator only support video driver 2700G for axim
i try, if the option is on, no game will run on the flame
pocketgba needs to have support of 5500nvidia driver

[Menneisyys]

the pocketgba emulator only support video driver 2700G for axim
i try, if the option is on, no game will run on the flame
pocketgba needs to have support of 5500nvidia driver

OIC. Could you please test other games? They are mostly OpenGL ES, not specifically 2700G. I'd really like to know whether already-existing 3D-enabled games run on the Flame.

[Tabbe]

OIC. Could you please test other games? They are mostly OpenGL ES, not specifically 2700G. I'd really like to know whether already-existing 3D-enabled games run on the Flame.

can u provide me any game that you wish to run?
as i only try finalburn emulator on it. running good on it when i play street fighter. while 3d games that i test is only MicroQuad.CAB, isnt fantastic, maybe due to the game

[Menneisyys]

can u provide me any game that you wish to run?
as i only try finalburn emulator on it. running good on it when i play street fighter. while 3d games that i test is only MicroQuad.CAB, isnt fantastic, maybe due to the game

Neither FinalBurn nor MicroQuad are OpenGL ES-capable. See the list of OpenGL ES-capable games at http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showthread.php?t=98674 . For example, I'd really like to know how the OpenGL ES-enabled Call of Duty 2 runs on the Flame.

[Tabbe]

Neither FinalBurn nor MicroQuad are OpenGL ES-capable. See the list of OpenGL ES-capable games at http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showthread.php?t=98674 . For example, I'd really like to know how the OpenGL ES-enabled Call of Duty 2 runs on the Flame.

I have tested out the games listed. none of them works on xda flame. the game wont run at all if you have the Intel 2700 version.
while games without intel2700 works well

[richardlai]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/O2-XDA-Flame-brand-new-in-the-box-simfree_W0QQitemZ230131732009QQihZ013QQcategoryZ33 12QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

£699.00 LMAO

[ecsk2]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/O2-XDA-Flame-brand-new-in-the-box-simfree_W0QQitemZ230131732009QQihZ013QQcategoryZ33 12QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

£699.00 LMAO

Again we have "EDGE (Enhanced Data for Global Evolution)." stated in the listing...!?

[shaileshashar]

Is the upgrade to WM6 confirmed for this phone ?
CNet Asia has released some press info from O2 but I am not sure.
Anybody heard this from O2 ?

Very imp consideration before buying this phone.

[Tokyorob]

it's not the only one with Go Force 5500 my Sharp S01SH has it too (and a 800X480 screen)

Just wish it was better supported

It's the only PDA I know with an embedded dedicated graphics card. Here are the specs (at the store):

Memory: 128MB RAM (DUDE!), 2112MB ROM
Processor: 520mhz PXA270 (um.)
Band: Triband GSM, 3.5G
Connectivity: BT2.0, Wifi B/G, Consumer-level IR(DA)
Graphics: Nvidia GoForce 5500 (not to be confused with the GeForce Go used in Laptops, but this will help A LOT.)
Features:
USB (OTG!)
TV-Out
SRS-Audio
microSD slot (why not a standard SD? <_<)

And that's that. My only complaint is that ve haff no FM Radio - I'm not too hot about GPS yet - but methinks an iTech Clip should solve that... >_>

Anyone wants to donate $1500? -.-

[ignar]

It's the only PDA I know with an embedded dedicated graphics card. Here are the specs (at the store):

Memory: 128MB RAM (DUDE!), 2112MB ROM
Processor: 520mhz PXA270 (um.)
Band: Triband GSM, 3.5G
Connectivity: BT2.0, Wifi B/G, Consumer-level IR(DA)
Graphics: Nvidia GoForce 5500 (not to be confused with the GeForce Go used in Laptops, but this will help A LOT.)
Features:
USB (OTG!)
TV-Out
SRS-Audio
microSD slot (why not a standard SD? <_<)

And that's that. My only complaint is that ve haff no FM Radio - I'm not too hot about GPS yet - but methinks an iTech Clip should solve that... >_>

Anyone wants to donate $1500? -.-


2112MB ROM? Hope it's not a typo ;)

[JamesManios]

I am also thinking about getting this phone and reading this thread there was talk about games not working? Do regular games work, that would have worked for any other HTC-type phone? I realize they might not be accelerated, I just want to make sure this thing isn't going to have compatibility problems with old stuff.

Also, are they any specific complied movie players, (like CorePlayer) that use the GoForce? How is movie playback at full 640x480 with specific players and generic players?

The other XDA Atom style phones have a buzzing noise when in a call, (I think they are both my by Quanta or something like that), does the Flame have this buzz during a call?

Anything else that might stop me from getting one?

[gogol]

No keyboard? :(

is TomTom running fine?

[try4deepak]

This is said to be a VGA mobile. The applications and games of QVGA doesn't work. Even if it works the resolutions r not good. Can someone discuss about this?

Onemoreting, I already bought this phone with WM5. How the O2 will give a free updation to WM6? Even if they give, how to get installed?

TomTom works stupendously....:)

[S1MB4D]

how do you do a hard reset of the thing damn hard to do it!:o

[try4deepak]

I never tried to hard reset till date. But, i guess it is easy. Some of our mates might know about it...:)

[S1MB4D]

any time now guys please

[ecsk2]

any time now guys please

Any time now, what eactly?

[S1MB4D]

how do you preform a hard reset on the flame i cant seem to get it done:confused:

[sx1-doc]

try to push the soft rest button with the stylus while holding the joystick up.

this works on my asus p525 ,maybe works on flame since the flame is an asus.

[leek]

This is said to be a VGA mobile. The applications and games of QVGA doesn't work. Even if it works the resolutions r not good. Can someone discuss about this?

Onemoreting, I already bought this phone with WM5. How the O2 will give a free updation to WM6? Even if they give, how to get installed?

TomTom works stupendously....:)

I've had the Flame for about a day.

Most QVGA games work fine, with pixel doubling -- the 480x640 maintains the aspect ratio.

Red Sector 2112 flickers in its menus, but otherwise seems fine during regular play.

A pre-VGA, pre-WM5 version of Virtual Pool Mobile (1.06) works, but has no sound except for background music (edit: sound works fine now). I will try the VGA version later.

A bunch of chess / board games from WM2003SE era also work fine.

PocketTTY 1.10 works fine. I have not tried 2.0+ which support VGA.

Flame Pros:

VGA 3.6" screen. I can't believe more phones aren't 3.5" or bigger.
Composite video out. Finally I don't need to carry laptop for PowerPoint presentations.
2 GB onboard flash and 128 MB RAM. Why didn't everyone think of that?
Built-in universal remote IR application (I turned off a restaurant's TV with it today and they didn't even know it).
2 MP camera and LED flash. Works well in low light with or without LED flash.
Fast. Must be that 128 MB RAM.
O2 automatic updates. An application automatically downloads and installs updates. I have not actually registered yet (must pretend I'm from Asia/Pacific).
Universal AC adapter w/ slide-out plugs.
USB host and client modes.
Ergonomic shape, with rubber grip.

Flame Cons:

Low battery life. However, I hope Mugen and Lion Battery will eventually fix that.
Small stylus. Feels fragile, although this can be corrected by getting heavier ones. Also short for large hands. Eventually, I might just get a case for the Flame with a separate stylus holder, and use my BA's stylus, leaving the Flame's as a spare.
Stylus located underneath phone instead of on top.
Micro-SD expansion slot only. However, this is mitigated by the 2 GB of built-in Flash and USB hosting capabilities.
No EDGE?

False Flame Cons:

Poor www/email applications. That's okay, since NetFront/Opera is better than PIE anyway, and there are multiple third party email applications available.
No GPS. No problem, since you can get portable BT GPS (the size of a box of matches), and you won't be locked into one kind anyway. Also, always-on GPS in a phone raises privacy questions.
Size too large. Fits fine in my pants pocket with or without a case. I've never understood the trend towards tiny smart/PDA phones in the last 2 years, or the large UMPCs/foldable PDAs which weigh like bricks, are too big for pockets, and whose keyboards are too small to use anyway. The Flame is the first evolutionary step forward since the Magician, although on a different line (non-HTC). Something like this should have been out 2 years ago.
No WM6. You can always upgrade later, officially or not. What's so special about WM6 anyway? That sounds like the hype over Vista.
Dim display. I've seen some people say this. However, it's not dim unless you set it dim. That's more a question of saving low battery life than any inherent dimness.

Flame TBD (will try later):

EDGE: I will measure performance with a bandwidth meter, once I get other things settled in. In the "Advanced" connection settings, there's options for "Use software compression" and "Use IP header compression", but I doubt those will help.
I will try CoPilot Live 5 (requires unregistering it from my BA first), but I expect it will work fine. I am waiting for CPL 7 to come out (I didn't like CPL 6).
Will try some movies with TCPMP and see how they do with regular screen and TV out. Spending 5 minutes and doing nothing special (no drivers etc.), I get about 21 fps using raw framebuffer mode, which is slow.
BT headset.

The Flame is the best to come out in 2+years. Unfortunately the iPhone might steal its thunder. The BA/Magician were great in their day -- I've used a BA up to now. The Universal was too heavy, big, and clunky. The Wizard, and all of its successors, was too small in screen size. I don't blame O2 for choosing Arima instead of HTC.

[try4deepak]

Thnx leek!

But wer can we get the updates of O2 flame, if exists?

I came to know that O2 is suppose to comeout with a new mobile by the end of aug. with WM6. So, Can we expect some rom updation at that time?

[fudgebottom]

I've also purhcased an XDA Flame and working 100%, much better then my older XDAII. In both build quality and the screen is just WOOWW, you can make text SUPER small if you like and it's crisp as anything.

The phone also comes with some O2 applications that you can install at any time by running the "O2 AutoInstall" software.

Hear is a list/screen shots of the apps that come with the phone:

http://www.seeo2.com/product/XdaFlame/template/XdaFlameApplications.vm/n/value

http://www.seeo2.com/product/XdaFlame/template/XdaFlameApplications.vm/n/exclusive

So far so good...


Only question is where is the new section on XDA Developers for our XDA Flames?

Cheers
Fudge

[leek]

Only question is where is the new section on XDA Developers for our XDA Flames?

That's up to the moderators / site maintainers.

Historically, despite its name being XDA-Devel and not HTC-Devel, XDA-Devel has only focused on HTC-manufactured phones.

In the past, all XDA phones were HTC phones, so this did not matter.

The Flame is manufactured by Arima Communications (http://www.arimacomm.com.tw/English/capa01_a.html), not HTC (nor Asus nor Gigabyte, as some have speculated).

Personally, given how unique this phone is relative to others released right now, and given that many current and past HTC phone owners will use it, I think it deserves a forum of its own. I do not think that this will open the door for all kinds of non-HTC phones, and thus make XDA-Devel a general phone site, increasing noise and decreasing useful information.

Reasons a Flame forum would be okay:

The Flame is an XDA phone, which does not make it deviate too much from "XDA-Developers".
The Flame fills a niche unfilled for 2 years by any manufacturer -- a slim, portrait form-factor PDA phone with a VGA 3.6" screen.
The platform on the Flame is similar to HTC devices -- WM 5.0+. The Flame is not a Symbian or iPhone device, for example. Therefore the software issues, for both users and developers, are similar to HTC phones.
There will be many questions about upgrading and hacking the Flame, and XDA-Devel will be the best resource for that.
The customer base of the Flame is similar to the customer base of HTC devices. A clueless Flame user who's never heard of or seen an HTC device is unlikely.

According to pdadb.net (http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdamaster), the Flame is the only PDA phone which meets all of these requirements:

Has 3.2" or larger screen
Has VGA resolution
Supports Bluetooth
Does not have a fold-out keyboard (slide-out is okay)

These requirements aren't asking for much, are they? And yet the Flame is the only one. Fortunately, it comes with many bonuses beyond meeting those simple requirements.

The Universal, Athena and upcoming Imate Ultimate 7150 have large VGA screens, but they have fold-out keyboards which, if you're like me, are useless (worst of both worlds: too small to use effectively; big enough to get in the way). I use a Stowaway BT keyboard when I need a real keyboard; otherwise I use the soft keyboard and stylus; these attached keyboards, even on my BA, are mostly useless (at least the BA hides it completely when you don't need it).

I vote for there to be a Flame forum.

[leek]

But wer can we get the updates of O2 flame, if exists?
There is an O2 Contact application which downloads updates. I have not tried it much yet. I think you must register first, possibly with your serial number. It has a username/password field. I will try it some more later.

I came to know that O2 is suppose to comeout with a new mobile by the end of aug. with WM6. So, Can we expect some rom updation at that time?
I have no idea about O2's schedule or when WM6 will be available. However, even if O2 doesn't release it, people here will figure out a way to get WM6 on the Flame.

[thierryb]

For hard reset, maintain the commanager button (left side, bottom) and the camera button (right side, bottom) and insert your pen in the soft reset hole. A special boot screen will appear asking you to confirm your action.

[S1MB4D]

thanks! it worked! :):)

[thierryb]

Sure. It's in the doc, and I have already tested it.

I have contacted o2 Support. They have not confirmed the wm6 upgrade.

I have contacted them because I have some small issues.

1/ With some softwares, the screen is splited in different pieces, and the same result is displayed in each piece, and stretched. it is the case with garmin Que and NoniGPSPlot.
2/ Memory card is not always visible after a wakeup or a softreset, sometime I need to reinsert it. It could be ok most of the time except when I need to do a backup or a restore with sprite backup which do a softreset before.
3/ I have a lot of duplicate entries in the notification database. They are added after softreset. I need to do some cleaning regularly with sktools.
4/ Sometime, simtool kit applications are not displayed or hangs.

But all these issues are really minors compared to the features of this device.

[ecsk2]

[/LIST]
According to pdadb.net (http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdamaster), the Flame is the only PDA phone which meets all of these requirements:


Does not have a fold-out keyboard (slide-out is okay)



Not having any keyboard is a requirement? :)

[ecsk2]

T
The Flame is manufactured by Arima Communications (http://www.arimacomm.com.tw/English/capa01_a.html), not HTC (nor Asus nor Gigabyte, as some have speculated).


This what it seems contract builder has built (and/or will build?) some other interesting things too :)

http://www.arimacomm.com.tw/English/capa01_b.html

http://www.arimacomm.com.tw/English/capa01_a.html

Find anything interesting in the list(s)? ;)

[thierryb]

Not having a keyboard was a requierement for me. It reduce the size and the weight and the price.

[ecsk2]

Not having a keyboard was a requierement for me. It reduce the size and the weight and the price.

Ok heh, I can live without keyboard but def prefer having one.

If only the O2 Flame would have EDGE I'd be happy.

[S1MB4D]

i didnt mind not having EDGE as i mainly use WiFi, rarely ever used 3G. I have had the phone for about 1 week i have a few annoyances, these being the damn battery drains toooo quickly!!! i cant figure out how to backup and how to save the contacts on outlook!

any one help with these?


Cool points being man the Graphics chip is AWESOME!!! get the new RC! for the TCPMP and set to raw with continuous zoom and it works like a charm! i upgraded from XDA 2i so may seem a little bit childish but sdmall improvements in my eyes have made a massive difference!

[leek]

i didnt mind not having EDGE as i mainly use WiFi, rarely ever used 3G. I have had the phone for about 1 week i have a few annoyances, these being the damn battery drains toooo quickly!!! i cant figure out how to backup and how to save the contacts on outlook!

any one help with these?

Well, it's supposed to have 2 GB of NVRAM, so I don't understand the need to back up your contacts that frequently. They shouldn't go away if the battery dies (this is WM 5.0+, where RAM and NVRAM are used properly for the first time; not like WM2003SE where the OS and contacts were stored in volatile RAM). But if you must, then use the micro-SD slot as storage. I forget the steps to change applications to use the Storage Card for storing contacts and such, but it was pretty simple. Or you can use ActiveSync to back up your contacts and other things.

(PS. I use NVRAM to mean what others usually call ROM. I hate that misnomer.)

Cool points being man the Graphics chip is AWESOME!!! get the new RC! for the TCPMP and set to raw with continuous zoom and it works like a charm! i upgraded from XDA 2i so may seem a little bit childish but sdmall improvements in my eyes have made a massive difference!

You're not childish :) I upgraded from my BA (XDA IIs/SX66/PDA2k/etc.). Everything released in-between the BA and Flame, with the possible exception of the Magician, was unacceptable to me. As a relativist I reject Universals; as a skeptic, I reject Wizards; etc. :)

The Flame's USB hosting is finicky:

I am able to read flash cards connected to the USB host cable (with or without a card reader), and I am able to talk to the 80 GB hard drive on my iRiver iHP 140, but I cannot talk to an external USB hard drive powered by a USB hub between the Flame and the drive (the hub is supplying power to the drive, but the drive isn't recognized).

The special cable with the female USB jack must be used when hosting. Normal 5-pin USB cables directly connected to the Flame won't work in hosting mode.

I have not tried a printer, keyboard, or mouse yet.

Until Mugen comes out with an external battery for the Flame, I recommend the Targus TG-EXBT external Li-Ion battery pack (4800 mAh, 3/5/6/7.2V).

The video out is good. I connected the video out to my LCD monitor. I ran Clearview Presentation on my PowerPoint slides, and it was good in landscape mode. I did not try the PowerPoint viewer which comes preinstalled, because long ago I preferred Clearview (no conversion necessary).

The displayed video was somewhat fuzzy, but that's to be expected when displaying analog signals on an LCD monitor. An analog projector or TV will probably be more forgiving (digital monitors amplify errors in analog signals, while analog monitors don't; I refused to use LCD monitors until I got DVI video cards).

Could missing EDGE possibly be fixed with a new radio ROM? I am not very familiar with radio firmware, but AFAIK EDGE only needs firmware changes, not hardware changes.

The Flame is an iPhone killer. Show it to all your friends when they show off their new iPhones.

[leek]

Not having any keyboard is a requirement? :)

Built-in keyboards are useless for me, for several reasons:

My fingers are too big to handle the keys without constantly making mistakes
The escape sequences for special symbols are too long (everything except alpha is a function key, on some small keyboards)
I cannot hold the device up and use it with a keyboard; I must lay it down on something
A fold-out keyboard makes the device thicker and heavier

The only keyboards which are acceptable, then, are the hidden kinds like on the BA and Wizard. I almost never used my BA's keyboard. When I tried using it, I made more mistakes and it slowed me down more than using the stylus and soft keyboard.

You can hold the Universal in both hands, and type it with your thumbs, but that is too hard for me, and is much less comfortable than a lighter portrait PDA in one hand and a stylus in the other.

A stylus and soft keyboard:

Allows me to hold the device in one hand and type with the other, with independent control of each
Provides pinpoint accuracy for my otherwise blunt fingers
Does not require complex escape key sequences for common symbols (if you use small keys)
Does not require picking up or dropping a stylus when switching between typing and pointing -- the same device can be used all the time

I can type about 20 wpm using a soft keyboard and stylus.

When I must type a lot, I use a BT Stowaway keyboard, which is large enough for my hands, and does not need to be carried with my phone everywhere I go. I usually only carry it on out-of-town trips.

[denizenx]

hmmm HTC phone pad doesn't work on this, the things loads (can set Options) but the popup is hijacked by the std keyboard

[denizenx]

hmmmmmmm doesn't work with TENGO either... forbidden custom SIP?
regedited the deafult in hkcu/cp/sip and had to hard reset LOL...

[denizenx]

hmm tried "sipsenable.exe" and it seems to work after quite a few resets..

but YES it's solved! (till it disappears again)

[ecsk2]

I have had the phone for about 1 week i have a few annoyances, these being the damn battery drains toooo quickly!!!

What kind of battery time are we talking about?




Could missing EDGE possibly be fixed with a new radio ROM? I am not very familiar with radio firmware, but AFAIK EDGE only needs firmware changes, not hardware changes.

The Flame is an iPhone killer. Show it to all your friends when they show off their new iPhones.

Yes in theory this should be possible as GPRS and EGPRS should be afaik only sw differences...

iPhone killer, I don't know I put iPhone in it's own category since it really isnt compareble to Windows Mobile phones (for good and bad so to speak) it has certain features that are beyond, but other things that are way behind. I mean even if they opened the iPhone platform up 100% to 3rd party sw it would take a couple of years or so to have a decent "supply" of sw. Take Skype for instance, you still can't get it for Symbian..

[ecsk2]

Built-in keyboards are useless for me, for several reasons:

You can hold the Universal in both hands, and type it with your thumbs, but that is too hard for me, and is much less comfortable than a lighter portrait PDA in one hand and a stylus in the other.

A stylus and soft keyboard:


Ok well I am a qwerty lover indeed but I have yet to find an HTC device with a keyboard I like, and I have indeed tried most of them excluding the very latest SP versions. The keyboards I tend to like the best would be the earlier (pre 9300/9500) Nokia Communicator's and the Danger Hiptop/Sidekick ones, despite that device being a so called teenage messageing toy it has its big plus sides, one being fantastic keyboard. I can live with onscreen keyboard if the device has everything else I want, and the flame is SO close, if only egprs was supported!!

[leek]

What kind of battery time are we talking about?

Well, with medium screen brightness, "auto" CPU optimization, no phone, WiFi or BT, and regular usage, I think it could last 5-6 hours of PDA usage on a full charge. In standby it could last maybe 15 hours (I'm guessing). The battery is only about 3 cm x 3 cm x 2 mm. About half the size of my Canon PowerShot's battery.

iPhone killer, I don't know I put iPhone in it's own category since it really isnt compareble to Windows Mobile phones (for good and bad so to speak) it has certain features that are beyond, but other things that are way behind. I mean even if they opened the iPhone platform up 100% to 3rd party sw it would take a couple of years or so to have a decent "supply" of sw. Take Skype for instance, you still can't get it for Symbian..

Well, I know some people who believe the iPhone hype, and believe it is the only phone with even close to its features (e.g. the screen resolution and video playback, even though that's existed for years in other products!!!).

These are people who prefer the less responsibility that Apple products bring -- more of the decisions are already made for you. You don't have the freedom to install 3rd party apps, but you don't have the responsibility of choosing and maintaining them either. You get less customization, but everything "just works". Some people prefer this "security".

[ngoctuan]

hi Flame's owners! Anyone tell me the way to unhide Ext_rom for my Xda Flame? I only want to run manual some apps on Ext_rom...
Thank!

[ianpac]

I am able to read flash cards connected to the USB host cable (with or without a card reader), and I am able to talk to the 80 GB hard drive on my iRiver iHP 140, but I cannot talk to an external USB hard drive powered by a USB hub between the Flame and the drive (the hub is supplying power to the drive, but the drive isn't recognized).


How is the USB hard drive formated? If it is NTFS then the Flame will not read it. If possible reformat to FAT 16 for compatibility.

[leek]

How is the USB hard drive formated? If it is NTFS then the Flame will not read it. If possible reformat to FAT 16 for compatibility.

It turned out to be two issues: Cabling and NTFS as you suggest. Replacing one of the cables made the drive accessible on a Linux PC, and then reformatting it with FAT16 made it readable to the Flame (with a hub in-between to supply power).

[denizenx]

scary.... on and off until I reinstalled phonepad again. weird eh?

[denizenx]

well I have both the dopod u1000 and flame with me now.
the flame's battery life is appalling, it's like the old 2002 PPCs.
basically I charge it to 100%, unplug and leave for home:
- out of the lift I lost 2-3% with one SMS
- off till boarding the train
- played bejeweled2 for about 30 minutes without sound
- left with 63%!

incontrast doing the same with the u1000 I lose about 10% all in all.

- the cpu optimiser is not terribly useful. it retards games performance like TextTwist, about 3x loss of framerates.
- wifi drains VERY fast. about 30-40% an hour.
- charging by USB - if something heavy is running like a phone call, the charge goes down, unlike all the other wm5 PPCs I've used.

[leek]

Yep, battery life is very low. That is my #1 complaint right now, even more than EDGE.

My guess is that the graphics coprocessor might be draining it faster.

The battery is about the size of a Compact Flash card.

I hope Unifirm/Mugen will come out with a replacement back cover / battery pack for it very soon. Otherwise I must carry a battery pack with me everywhere.

[leek]

It took about 2 hours, but I was finally able to install an XDA Exec PPCTechs WriteSHIELD on my Flame with no bubbles. (The Flame's screen size is the same as the Exec's.)

If you do this, be sure to cover the bottom right corner last.

The Flame's bottom right corner dips when depressed, and so it's harder to get the shield pressed right on it.

If you play Virtual Pool Mobile, the right corner's dip makes for a bad slate :(

[fudgebottom]

My Battery life so far seems to be ok, I have noticed that the battery can drop very quickly at times but it's almost like it's still calibrating or something like that...

For Example, battery could be showing 96% plug it in and withing a few seconds it's finished charging (100%), unplug it pay around for a bit and it starts dropping again...

I'm going to start playing around a little more to see if I flatten it and fully charge it a few times if this makes it more steady, there does seem to be either some major power draining issues or a unreliable batter reading at the moment... I'll keep an eye on this but other than this all is running 100% with the Flame :-)

this is no real big issue for me as I also have it plugged into the PC when at work so always fully charged... when I get in the car it's also charging in the cradle (with GPS going as well at times).

And when I get home it normally sync's there to and does not get unplugged either so only really use battery when visiting clients and out and about, normally only a few hours at a time.

I believe I would be able to have the Flame on standby (with the Phone turned on) for at least 24 hours easily on mine but I'm thinking more like 48+hours if PDA not used.

My phone does not seem to loose too much power over night (+- 5-8%).

Cheers
Fudge

[leek]

My Battery life so far seems to be ok, I have noticed that the battery can drop very quickly at times but it's almost like it's still calibrating or something like that...

Could be. Mine acts like the gas gauge in my car -- stays high for a long time, then drops rapidly.

Maybe with enough charges/discharges it will calibrate and the indicator will be more accurate. I have not been charging it more than about 3 times every 2 days.

[thierryb]

Concerning battery life I have had the same issues than most of you. Until I discovered that it was lying me about 100%.

Now I will be more precise.

I use Ae Button Plus. With this product, but probably others, you can have the voltage, the battery drain, and evaluation of the time remaining.

I discovered that 100% was reached with a voltage 3.89V. I was surprised because I was sure that the first day. after the first full fill I had more than 4.1 V. So I decided to drain it completely and charge it, but with the phone completely off (long press on the on/off button)

And now 100% is 4.18-4.19 V. Sometimes, it stops at 4.14 so I stop completely the phone, and make it again to charge until the light tell me if ls enough. And miracle, 4.19V again.

So and whaf else?

i have made test concerning my normal usage.

My normal usage of a pdia phone is a pda, with a phone. And in fact,more a pda than a phone. Probably because it's my first pdaphone, but my tens pda. My normal usage as a pda is as a replacement of a laptop: takes notes of meeting I have with my teams, verify my mailbox, and answer to mails, browse the net, manage my task and my appointment, and sync these appointment with google Calendar, for giving access to my calendar to some of my collaborators. So that mean, always wifi on.

And now the result: 4h30 min. Not enough for some days, but I am used to have two batteries with pdas. I have had to change my habits, because the Flame is not saled with a cradle that can charge a second battery.

So I have invest in a car charger. At home, I use the provided charger. And at the office, I connect it to my pc when I am not in meeting but without syncing, with the display off in phone mode for receiving phone and have appointments' alerts.

So real life with a Flame, of a really happy owner.

[thierryb]

hi Flame's owners! Anyone tell me the way to unhide Ext_rom for my Xda Flame? I only want to run manual some apps on Ext_rom...
Thank!
I do not know, but I am interested to!

[thierryb]

Cool points being man the Graphics chip is AWESOME!!! get the new RC! for the TCPMP and set to raw with continuous zoom and it works like a charm! i upgraded from XDA 2i so may seem a little bit childish but sdmall improvements in my eyes have made a massive difference!

please can you give us the exact version number, and perhaps a link (but google can help me. if I have the version number).

[thierryb]

hmmmmmmm doesn't work with TENGO either... forbidden custom SIP?
regedited the deafult in hkcu/cp/sip and had to hard reset LOL...
I have had also problem to charge Calligrapher with two languages: english, and french (my language)

After some tweaks of what is started at the boot and in which order. And now everything is ok.

I have had also problems with gpsproxy2 (for Gamin Que usage), and find a complex and manually way to have it with Calligrapher.

I hope Wm6 will simplify this point.

[S1MB4D]

please can you give us the exact version number, and perhaps a link (but google can help me. if I have the version number).


no problem here is the link you are looking for
http://tcpmp.en.softonic.com/pocket

also what games have people got on this machine:confused:

[alexanderi]

too bad it is still running WM5.0 :(

[Osir1s]

Well given O2 released WM6 update for the Atom Life for Flame users you would hope they follow suit and do the same in the near future.

[bimmer159]

For hard reset, maintain the commanager button (left side, bottom) and the camera button (right side, bottom) and insert your pen in the soft reset hole. A special boot screen will appear asking you to confirm your action.
I tried to hard reset my flame but it wouldnt work. What i did was to push the wireless button, camera button together with the soft reset hole but the flame just reboot (just like how u do a soft reset)Any trick how to do it correctly.
Pls help me...........
sorry for my bad english...really appreciate ur help

[S1MB4D]

I tried to hard reset my flame but it wouldnt work. What i did was to push the wireless button, camera button together with the soft reset hole but the flame just reboot (just like how u do a soft reset)Any trick how to do it correctly.
Pls help me...........
sorry for my bad english...really appreciate ur help


I will put a Vid on you tube tonight on how to do this will post when i have uploaded it!:):):):)

[bimmer159]

I will put a Vid on you tube tonight on how to do this will post when i have uploaded it!:):):):)
thx for ur help my friend....looking forward for ur video

[thierryb]

I tried to hard reset my flame but it wouldnt work. What i did was to push the wireless button, camera button together with the soft reset hole but the flame just reboot (just like how u do a soft reset)Any trick how to do it correctly.
Pls help me...........
sorry for my bad english...really appreciate ur help

Sure it should work, so mainfain both buttons, then, while continuing to maintain, insert your pen in the reset hole.

[bimmer159]

Sure it should work, so mainfain both buttons, then, while continuing to maintain, insert your pen in the reset hole.
I pushed both button together dan inserted the pen but the flame just soft reset..:(
Do u have to do those 3 actions together?
thx

[bimmer159]

It worked....................it worked
I just pressed both buttons for quite awhile then inserted for 2 secs then it came up with a warning question

thx for thierryb & S1MB4D..:D

[divi168]

just bought my xda flame, an upgrade from from my xdaiis of which i am very satisfied and would not opt for an upgrade if not my phone was stolen. one of the functions i cant do without is the annotation of the images wherein i can review all pictures taken with their corresponding comments. to my consternation, there is no such function in flame although the seller said there is one. guess he did not know what i was talking about. called singapore and they dont know and told me to go buy a third party software. anybody knows which software to buy in order to edit/annotate images that will compatible to flame,pleeeeeeeeease :( if none available, guess have to sell it.
yes, battery is lousy too. did not use much today and its drained already.
although speed is better than xdaiis, camera clearer. but a little confused with all those buttons to choose in taking pics.

[leek]

just bought my xda flame, an upgrade from from my xdaiis of which i am very satisfied and would not opt for an upgrade if not my phone was stolen. one of the functions i cant do without is the annotation of the images wherein i can review all pictures taken with their corresponding comments. to my consternation, there is no such function in flame although the seller said there is one. guess he did not know what i was talking about. called singapore and they dont know and told me to go buy a third party software. anybody knows which software to buy in order to edit/annotate images that will compatible to flame,pleeeeeeeeease :( if none available, guess have to sell it.

Don't have any particular software recommendations in this area, but I would suggest that you not sell the Flame on the sole account of its photo software. I am sure there are 3rd party apps which are better. Search Handango, Google, etc. The good thing about PPC software is that you can usually try it before you buy it.

yes, battery is lousy too. did not use much today and its drained already.
although speed is better than xdaiis, camera clearer. but a little confused with all those buttons to choose in taking pics.

The Flame's camera application is unintuitive. The on-screen and hardware buttons' camera functions are not totally clear. I gave up after about 5 minutes -- I couldn't even take a simple picture, although I could toggle Night mode and the source (front or back camera), and play with the flash light. I had previously reassigned some of the hardware buttons, which might have had something to do with it not working correctly. I guess I'll have to go back and RTFM.

Also, when the Video out was connected to a TV, application images were upside down half the time, somewhat unpredictably at first (I'm sure there's a pattern). Certain applications such as Camera expect a certain landscape orientation (left- or right-handed), and if your Screen setting does not match it, you can turn the phone upside down to make it look fine on the Flame, but it will still be upside down on the video out, or worse with the camera (since the camera itself will be upside down too). The left / right handed setting in Settings / Screen must match how you physically hold it, but the one needed might vary depending on each application.

The camera is a luxury for me anyway. I never expect it to take the place of a regular high-quality camera. (I believe this for all phones/PDAs, not just the Flame.)

I got a BoxWave (http://www.boxwave.com/products/dlcase/o2-xda-flame-designio-leather-case_2603.htm) leather case today. It's good -- it even has a stylus holder in its spine -- but it uses a magnetic instead of button clip to keep the lid closed, which is lame. I might switch to Krusell (http://www.krusell.se/product.php?productID=2697&category=51).

[S1MB4D]

It worked....................it worked
I just pressed both buttons for quite awhile then inserted for 2 secs then it came up with a warning question

thx for thierryb & S1MB4D..:D


does anyone want me to upload the vid to youtube?

[bimmer159]

S1MB4D,
Pls upload, it might help others

what i dont like about Flame is the battery. It only lasts for a day

[igalan]

I find battery life comparable to the F-S Loox N560. For me it does last the whole day with moderate use, a few calls and some web surfing with wifi and after that I still get about 40% battery. Under heavier work I just switch to power save mode. With the N560 often I had to use the power save mode, as well. But the N560 battery is weak... Definitely it isn't like my Wizard, that lasts at least two days between recharges.

Is someone using the Flame in their car with a handsfree? After I set it to stand-by it disconnects from the car handsfree and I can't make phone calls using it (since it's disconnected). But it will automatically reconnect when receiving a call or when dialing from the Flame itself. It looks like a power save feature.

Also my 5v 1A car charger will only charge it when in stand-by. And none of the Mini USB wall chargers that I have will charge it, particularly the USB 5 V 2 A that I use to charge everything else: Wizard, N560, PSP, Globalsat BT-338, etc.

[leek]

I find battery life comparable to the F-S Loox N560. For me it does last the whole day with moderate use, a few calls and some web surfing with wifi and after that I still get about 40% battery. Under heavier work I just switch to power save mode. With the N560 often I had to use the power save mode, as well. But the N560 battery is weak... Definitely it isn't like my Wizard, that lasts at least two days between recharges.

Battery life seems slightly better over time, but I think that's just because it's calibrating. It's still not nearly as good as my Blue Angel with 2400 mAh battery.

Is someone using the Flame in their car with a handsfree? After I set it to stand-by it disconnects from the car handsfree and I can't make phone calls using it (since it's disconnected). But it will automatically reconnect when receiving a call or when dialing from the Flame itself. It looks like a power save feature.

I have persistent problems with Voice Command 1.60 that it's almost worthless on the Flame. I tried using it with and without a Plantronics 510. I was not able to wake it up from standby mode with the PLT 510. After a soft reset and turned fully on, it sometimes works with handsfree, but as soon as it goes into standby it stops working.

And sometimes the Flame's own microphone and/or the PLT 510 are deaf. Even though I can click on either the voice command button or the PLT 510's button and get the "listening" bell sound, and even though a microphone icon and "notification" appears on the screen (which if clicked says "Voice Command is listening..."), it acts deaf. There's almost no echoless loopback sound either (just a little noise if I touch the mic hole with my finger). The audio loopback test of the Self-Diagnostics fails too. All volume controls are on max. But if I call myself from land line, I can talk into the mic and it works fine. I can also record using Notes and it plays back fine. Privacy feature? :confused:

Also my 5v 1A car charger will only charge it when in stand-by. And none of the Mini USB wall chargers that I have will charge it, particularly the USB 5 V 2 A that I use to charge everything else: Wizard, N560, PSP, Globalsat BT-338, etc.

The Flame does not seem to charge as long as it's turned on, even with my 5V 3A charger, which makes me think it's some kind of "feature", not simply current drain. That would be bad in a car. I have a BA cradle on my dash which I use for GPS w/ a BT-338. It charges the BA whether or not it is turned on.

[igalan]

Thanks for coming back, leek. Your problem seems to originate from the fact that the Flame will drop the hands free connection once you suspend it (short press of power on button). You can clearly see if this happened because after this the phone screen will no longer show the sign of the headset (a small icon on the top right). This happens with my Bluetooth headset (Plantronics), too. It drops the connection, but once I receive a call it will wake up and reestablish the connection as if nothing happened; so I'm guessing that this is a power saving feature (let's hope it can be disabled). The problem is that since the connection is not present, you can't originate calls from your headset/hands free, that's why MS Voice Command isn't properly working and seems to be "deaf" to your Bluetooth headset, I presume.

Regarding the recharge process, well the Flame can be charged while it's turned on. In fact it charges even with the low current ( ~500mA) that my PC USB Port provides (I have it plugged now). The weird thing is that it would not charge regardless if it's turned on or off with my 5 V 2 A charger. I'm starting to think that the Flame needs a slightly higher voltage, maybe 5.2 V or even 5.4 V instead of 5.0 V (however the bundled charger is rated 5.0 V).

I'm hoping the WM 6 update will address those issues, but maybe it's a good idea to report them to O2 so they make sure that they are fixed. Anyone has experience with the customer service of O2?

[bimmer159]

Sorry...double posting

[bimmer159]

Concerning battery life I have had the same issues than most of you. Until I discovered that it was lying me about 100%.

Now I will be more precise.

I use Ae Button Plus. With this product, but probably others, you can have the voltage, the battery drain, and evaluation of the time remaining.

I discovered that 100% was reached with a voltage 3.89V. I was surprised because I was sure that the first day. after the first full fill I had more than 4.1 V. So I decided to drain it completely and charge it, but with the phone completely off (long press on the on/off button)

And now 100% is 4.18-4.19 V. Sometimes, it stops at 4.14 so I stop completely the phone, and make it again to charge until the light tell me if ls enough. And miracle, 4.19V again.



so when it stops at 4.14 V, do u switch off the phone? then how do u know when it would be enough when re charge it cause the phone is in off position? Do u wait till the light off completely?
thx for ur advise

[leek]

Thanks for coming back, leek. Your problem seems to originate from the fact that the Flame will drop the hands free connection once you suspend it (short press of power on button). You can clearly see if this happened because after this the phone screen will no longer show the sign of the headset (a small icon on the top right). This happens with my Bluetooth headset (Plantronics), too. It drops the connection, but once I receive a call it will wake up and reestablish the connection as if nothing happened; so I'm guessing that this is a power saving feature (let's hope it can be disabled). The problem is that since the connection is not present, you can't originate calls from your headset/hands free, that's why MS Voice Command isn't properly working and seems to be "deaf" to your Bluetooth headset, I presume.

Voice Command is completely deaf now (it worked once before). It does not even work once the handset is removed from BT settings and the built-in mic is used. The audio loopback test of the self-diagnostics program doesn't work either. But the mic works with the phone and Notes recorder. All volume controls are max.

I will try removing and reinstalling Voice Command.

Regarding the recharge process, well the Flame can be charged while it's turned on. In fact it charges even with the low current ( ~500mA) that my PC USB Port provides (I have it plugged now). The weird thing is that it would not charge regardless if it's turned on or off with my 5 V 2 A charger. I'm starting to think that the Flame needs a slightly higher voltage, maybe 5.2 V or even 5.4 V instead of 5.0 V (however the bundled charger is rated 5.0 V).

My chargers are the regulated 5.0V kind too, so maybe I need to install a voltage booster or try another charger. However, I wouldn't go beyond the measured voltage of the bundled charger.

I'm hoping the WM 6 update will address those issues, but maybe it's a good idea to report them to O2 so they make sure that they are fixed. Anyone has experience with the customer service of O2?

No experience here.

[leek]

Strange...

I just removed and reinstalled Voice Command on my Flame, and my battery charge indicator shot up from 60% to 100% in 2 minutes !!!

Prior to that, it was trickling from 50% to 60% for over 30 minutes.

Makes me think calibration is off, and the indicator is not too useful (yet).

Reinstalling Voice Command made it start recognizing voice commands again.

Like you say, hopefully WM6 will fix these things. I'm signed up for O2 Updates so I'll post as soon as I hear anything.

[igalan]

He, here my Flame has gone from 74% to 100% in less than 5 minutes while plugged to the USB port of my PC (connected to ActiveSync). Something isn't right :( . I've installed acbPowerMeter to monitor power use.

[leek]

I wonder if the problems with the mic could be related to AGC settings?

I cannot find an AGC setting to change it and see how it affects mic gain. But the first time Voice Command was installed, it worked fine for a while, then stopped working. The mic volume was lower too in the audio loopback test, as if AGC had been turned off. The Handsfree unit was connected via BT (the icon appeared, and the Handsfree worked for calls), but the handsfree mic did not work for Voice Command except to initiate it if the Flame was already turned fully on (Voice Command beeps and waits for a command but never hears it). Then when Voice Command was removed and reinstalled, mic volume was normal again through loopback test, and Voice Command worked again, as if AGC had been reenabled.

The battery monitor on the Flame is crazy, which makes me wonder whether battery life is better than it indicates. I have not drained it all the way down to the point where it stops powering up. Maybe it needs of couple of really deep cycles to calibrate it.

[JamesManios]

So I'm really thinking of getting one of these and have some questions now that you guys have had it for a while.

Does it come with a case? If not, forgetting the boxwave and Krussel one, is there any other cases?

Has anyone tried CorePlayer v1.1 on it? I don't think it has specific GoForce support but how are movies playing with it? Can you get decent frame rates on a 640x480 source?

Are there any GoForce supported apps you have installed, how are they? Does the device come with any, (like a proprietary movie app?)

Has anyone overclocked the XScale, what numbers are you getting stability? How much does it help playing a 640x480 source?

How does the SRS stuff sound, is the SRS used for phone rings, (so phone rings sound good?), how is the SRS headphone support, sound any better then normal PDAS

Are they any sounds/noises (like the Atom Exec's had) when in a phone call, how has the phone been generally speaking?

Thanks for any info,

[leek]

So I'm really thinking of getting one of these and have some questions now that you guys have had it for a while.

Does it come with a case? If not, forgetting the boxwave and Krussel one, is there any other cases?

The Flame does not come with a carrying case. The BoxWave foldout case looks and feels good, and has a stylus holder in its spine which can hold a larger stylus, but only has a magnetic clip to keep the cover closed. The Krusell case is black & beige which looks a little unusual to me, and has their adapter on the back of the case, which you don't need if you don't want to attach a belt clip or something. I have not see any other "fine" cases for the Flame yet (e.g. Piel Frama), but search Google and you might find one.

A simple neoprene zipper case which is about 4 in x 6 in x 1/2 in, would be able to hold the Flame. That's what I used before I got the Boxwave case.

Has anyone tried CorePlayer v1.1 on it? I don't think it has specific GoForce support but how are movies playing with it? Can you get decent frame rates on a 640x480 source?

CorePlayer is no faster than TCPMP with Raw Framebuffer, so I would not buy it until GeForce support is confirmed.

I get about 21 FPS in High-Performance (not battery savings) mode, for most of the videos I've tried so far (YMMV). That is slow but understandable if no GPU drivers are used. I have not actively sought out any GeForce drivers so I don't know if any are available.

Are there any GoForce supported apps you have installed, how are they? Does the device come with any, (like a proprietary movie app?)

Not that I know of . There's an "O2 MediaPlus" application which looks like nothing but a glorified frontend to Windows Media Player and others.

Has anyone overclocked the XScale, what numbers are you getting stability? How much does it help playing a 640x480 source?

I have not overclocked.

How does the SRS stuff sound, is the SRS used for phone rings, (so phone rings sound good?), how is the SRS headphone support, sound any better then normal PDAS

The onboard speakers are too small to hear the SRS stuff very well -- they start becoming distorted if you raise the volume enough to hear the SRS effects well.

Yes, the SRS is used for phone rings.

I have not tried SRS with headphones.

The SRS settings for the headphones look like they can be adjusted independently of the SRS settings for the onboard speakers, but actually, they can't except for the TruBass settings -- this might be a bug. Changing the settings for one changes the settings for the other as well.

Are they any sounds/noises (like the Atom Exec's had) when in a phone call, how has the phone been generally speaking?

Thanks for any info,

The phone sound quality is good. However, the phone volume control is nonlinear. It needs to be set close to maximum to hear it well, but if it's all the way to max, it may cause speaker distortion. There is only one phone volume control, but it controls both rings and voice, so it's sometimes hard to find the right balance between the two.

So I guess what I'm saying is that the sound is good, but the built-in speakers (phone mono and SRS stereo) are not powerful enough, and the software controls need refinement.

The built-in FM Radio will not run unless you use the headphones. I am sure someone can find a registry or executable hack to fix this.

[ecsk2]

The Flame does not come with a carrying case.

You're in the USA and use Tmo USA with the Flame?

[igalan]

The headphones are required for the radio because they are also used as an antenna. Enabling the radio without antenna is pointless, it will hardly pick any station.

About sound quality during phone calls, I find it quite good, loud enough and without background noise. However most of the times I use a Bluetooth headset for convenience. The built-in hands free is loud and clear. Right now I tested it playing some music with the built-in speakers and they do a good job considering their intended purpose (we're not going to have HiFi, that's obvious). If you know how the Wizard sounds, then it's much better, with deeper bass (the Wizard has stereo speakers, too).

[JamesManios]

Thanks leek, very useful info...

I get about 21 FPS in High-Performance (not battery savings) mode, for most of the videos I've tried so far (YMMV). That is slow but understandable if no GPU drivers are used. I have not actively sought out any GeForce drivers so I don't know if any are available.


Are these videos at the 640x480 resolution or are they lower and using pixel-doubling to fill the screen? I have heard that the eten x500+ (also 640x480) can not keep a video running smoothly that is at full resolution; I am worried that without GoForce support the Flame will not be able to either?

How responsive is the unit, (maybe in comparison to a Magician/BA/Phophet). Though a 520Mhz CPU, if the FlashRom was particularly slow it would make the device sluggish? How do you find it?

Would you now consider having bought an X500+ (being smaller but smaller screen) or are you happy with the Flame overall?

[leek]

You're in the USA and use Tmo USA with the Flame?

Yes. T-Mobile USA uses 1900 MHz, although I've heard they are expanding into 850 Mhz in some areas (and 2100 MHz UMTS too). The Flame is a 900/1800/1900 MHz GSM / 2100 MHz UMTS phone.

Someone sent me a PM asking me about using the Flame with Cingular, and I sent them to this page (http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/Using_Imported_GSM_Phones_(without_850Mhz)_on_Cing ular).

[leek]

Are these videos at the 640x480 resolution or are they lower and using pixel-doubling to fill the screen? I have heard that the eten x500+ (also 640x480) can not keep a video running smoothly that is at full resolution; I am worried that without GoForce support the Flame will not be able to either?

I am not sure about the specifics of these videos. Later I can try some that I know are 640x480 or higher and report. If you have one you want me to benchmark, PM me the file, or post a link to it.

How responsive is the unit, (maybe in comparison to a Magician/BA/Phophet). Though a 520Mhz CPU, if the FlashRom was particularly slow it would make the device sluggish? How do you find it?

Fast. It is much faster than the Universal (Exec/JasJar), which was sluggish partly because of Flash. The Flame is almost as responsive as my all-RAM Blue Angel if battery conservation is turned off.

If "auto" is used in the power settings, the Flame has performance hiccups. For example, PocketTTY will suffer hiccups when decrypting. But when the "performance" setting is used, these hiccups don't occur. I have not tried 3rd party clocking or battery conservation tools yet.

Would you now consider having bought an X500+ (being smaller but smaller screen) or are you happy with the Flame overall?

I would not consider any PDA Phone with a screen less than 3.2" (see my earlier comments). That's why I reject 90% of the new phones in the last two years.

The HTC Panda is a throwback: It has large 3.5" portrait form factor screen, but no VGA!!! It seems like HTC is trying to artificially segment their market into either having VGA UMPCs with foldout keyboards, smartphones with small screens, or throwbacks like the Panda. Why no HTC VGA phone shaped like a Panda? (Note: Arima, not HTC, makes the Flame.)

If the Flame does not turn out that well, or has two many problems, then I might buy an iMate Ultimate 7150 after it comes out, even though it has a foldout keyboard I don't care for (read my earlier comments), and I prefer the Flame's overall look and feel (the rounded corners, etc).

The Flame doesn't have quad-band, EDGE or HSDPA, but its form factor, 3.6" VGA screen, video-out, and USB features outweigh all of this for me.

[leek]

The headphones are required for the radio because they are also used as an antenna. Enabling the radio without antenna is pointless, it will hardly pick any station.

Duh :o But there are some strong stations here which might be picked up with an internal antenna.

Even more than the camera and IR, the FM radio is a luxury for me. I rarely listen to radio anyway.

[thierryb]

so when it stops at 4.14 V, do u switch off the phone? then how do u know when it would be enough when re charge it cause the phone is in off position? Do u wait till the light off completely?
thx for ur advise

I switch off completely the phone and wait the night or the charging light switch off.

[thierryb]

The video I am watching is directly ripped of from the Dvd, the resolution is 624×464 and works without any problem, better than on my old dead loox720.

[try4deepak]

For hard reset, maintain the commanager button (left side, bottom) and the camera button (right side, bottom) and insert your pen in the soft reset hole. A special boot screen will appear asking you to confirm your action.

It's not working for me.... Moreover, I cudn't able to see FMRadio, O2 applications, codewallet, java & weather mate icons:(

It now like ordinary xda eating lot of battery...:((

[thierryb]

If you do exactly what I have written you will succeed. And in addition you need it to recover your lost softwares.

Press both buttons the two that are on the edges left and right of the pda, and will maintaining these buttons, do a softreset.

[JamesManios]

Still on the fence...

The specs mention 2Gig + 64Meg for storage (internal); how is the memory presented? Is "\Device" memory the full 2gig or is a segment of the 64megs and there is an onboard \Storage area for the 2gig? Someone mentioned how the MircoSD sometimes isn't seen, (a problem for nightly backups) but if the 2gigs is a device like \Storage then you should be able to write to that?

[leek]

Still on the fence...

The specs mention 2Gig + 64Meg for storage (internal); how is the memory presented? Is "\Device" memory the full 2gig or is a segment of the 64megs and there is an onboard \Storage area for the 2gig? Someone mentioned how the MircoSD sometimes isn't seen, (a problem for nightly backups) but if the 2gigs is a device like \Storage then you should be able to write to that?

The "memory" available can be divided up as follows:

64 MB: Write-protected ROM; contains bootloader, backup of OS, radio ROMs, and ExtROM. Only used during hard resets or for model-specific information (e.g. IMEI number). This area is not normally visible. Everyone wants to be able to unlock it (make it accessible to programs), so that they can read and modify ("cook") the ROMs. If you modify this area without knowing what you are doing, your phone could become a brick.

2 GB: Non-Volatile RAM; contains \ filesystem; does not go away when power is turned off or battery removed. The OS, contacts, calendar data, and most programs are installed here by default. This is where "everything goes". Does not have \Device, \Storage Card or any other special name -- simply \. Erased and rebuilt on hard reset.

128 MB: Volatile RAM; contains running programs and cached data; erased when power is turned fully off (not standby) by pressing and holding power switch for a few seconds, or when battery is removed. Erased and rebuilt on soft reset.

\Storage Card: The MicroSD flash memory, if installed. Many programs allow you to store their data there by default, even if the executable was not installed there. (It might be good to use \Storage Card for data that changes often, so that you don't wear out the built-in 2 GB Flash with too many write cycles.) I have not had the problems other have reported with unrecognized or disappearing cards.

\Hard Disk: Any USB-attached storage card or hard drive.

[JamesManios]

Everyone wants to be able to unlock it (make it accessible to programs), so that they can read and modify ("cook") the ROMs. If you modify this area without knowing what you are doing, your phone could become a brick.

Have you guys been able to access the ext-rom, (in read-only anyways to see the O2 supplied apps)? Do you have a list of what they are? Usually I do a hard reset and then a quit reset after the calibration so that the extroms are not auto-installed, so I can pick what I want (but its a problem if its not read-able).

So the 2gig being primary storage is a problem for nightly backups, has anyone heard back from O2 about this, (patch,etc...) there was another device recently that had a similar problem with storage cards.

For the person that mentioned the problem, if you use something like Sprite backup you can make it run an app first (you'd probably have to write it), that could look for the \Storage Card and if it didn't find it in lets say 1 minute, it could soft-reset and try again, (might need to add something to \windows\startup to try again .... kinda sucks but until that problem is fixed it would work?

Any other weird Flame quirks like that that you guys can think of?

Now that iMate is saying the Ultimates are not coming out until Sept I am even more interested in the flame.

Thanks again for the info

[sx1-doc]

http://www4.discuss.com.hk/viewthread.php?tid=4181198&extra=page%3D1&page=1

wow you can connect normal usb device to it !!!!

thats crazy
too bad will never go out in germany (same as atom).

[bimmer159]

has anyone noticed, the speaker is a bit bassy??...it u know what i mean
I tried to reduced the bass setting but i think it made no different
thx

[igalan]

The speakers sound "deeper" but not too much, not that bothers me at least.

BTW, do you guys/gals have O2 Menu? I have seen some screenshots of the Flame with it, but it's not here. Not on O2 Autoinstall either. Maybe on the CD, I haven't opened it :) .

[thierryb]

I have done o2 auto install and I have o2 menu. Probably included in o2 themes.

Concerning sprite Backup, until I change my microSD, I do backup on the 2gb rom. Then copy on SD after.

[king_dani]

I am not sure about the specifics of these videos. Later I can try some that I know are 640x480 or higher and report. If you have one you want me to benchmark, PM me the file, or post a link to it.



Fast. It is much faster than the Universal (Exec/JasJar), which was sluggish partly because of Flash. The Flame is almost as responsive as my all-RAM Blue Angel if battery conservation is turned off.

If "auto" is used in the power settings, the Flame has performance hiccups. For example, PocketTTY will suffer hiccups when decrypting. But when the "performance" setting is used, these hiccups don't occur. I have not tried 3rd party clocking or battery conservation tools yet.



I would not consider any PDA Phone with a screen less than 3.2" (see my earlier comments). That's why I reject 90% of the new phones in the last two years.

The HTC Panda is a throwback: It has large 3.5" portrait form factor screen, but no VGA!!! It seems like HTC is trying to artificially segment their market into either having VGA UMPCs with foldout keyboards, smartphones with small screens, or throwbacks like the Panda. Why no HTC VGA phone shaped like a Panda? (Note: Arima, not HTC, makes the Flame.)

If the Flame does not turn out that well, or has two many problems, then I might buy an iMate Ultimate 7150 after it comes out, even though it has a foldout keyboard I don't care for (read my earlier comments), and I prefer the Flame's overall look and feel (the rounded corners, etc).

The Flame doesn't have quad-band, EDGE or HSDPA, but its form factor, 3.6" VGA screen, video-out, and USB features outweigh all of this for me.

could you please give us any hard evidence that Arima is behind Flame , since from the begining it was stated that ASUSTEk did it
could you post a photo of the specs behind the battery?on Atom , it's written Quanta
thnx

[king_dani]

Now that iMate is saying the Ultimates are not coming out until Sept I am even more interested in the flame.



could you please link to the source of that?

[igalan]

The string "Arima" is all over the registry ;) .

BTW I found out that O2 Menu is part of O2 Themes, that's why I didn't have it. O2 Themes installs a lot of plugins, and will completely change your Today screen. If you're happy with the regular Today screen, just avoid installing O2 Themes.

[JamesManios]

could you please link to the source of that?

http://www.theunwired.net/?itemid=3941


I also read that the Flame was Arima from a good source, (just can't remember where it was)

[bimmer159]

I use Ae Button Plus. With this product, but probably others, you can have the voltage, the battery drain, and evaluation of the time remaining.

I discovered that 100% was reached with a voltage 3.89V. I was surprised because I was sure that the first day. after the first full fill I had more than 4.1 V. So I decided to drain it completely and charge it, but with the phone completely off (long press on the on/off button)

And now 100% is 4.18-4.19 V. Sometimes, it stops at 4.14 so I stop completely the phone, and make it again to charge until the light tell me if ls enough. And miracle, 4.19V again.


I have used the Ae Button plus software. When it reached 98%, the voltage showed 4.18 V. So i thought it was fine cause i assumed when it reached 100 %, the voltage would be 4.19 V (just like yours) but the moment it reached 100 % and the phone was disconnected from the charger, the voltage quickly showed 4.17 V

How about urs?
thx

[thierryb]

I have used the Ae Button plus software. When it reached 98%, the voltage showed 4.18 V. So i thought it was fine cause i assumed when it reached 100 %, the voltage would be 4.19 V (just like yours) but the moment it reached 100 % and the phone was disconnected from the charger, the voltage quickly showed 4.17 V

How about urs?
thx
I have had the same behavior at least once, because I noticed it. But perhaps it happened more than once.

In fact the issue is more having 100% with 3.96 or 4.04, 2 values I already had.

[king_dani]

The string "Arima" is all over the registry ;) .

BTW I found out that O2 Menu is part of O2 Themes, that's why I didn't have it. O2 Themes installs a lot of plugins, and will completely change your Today screen. If you're happy with the regular Today screen, just avoid installing O2 Themes.

thnx a lot. i was asking that , because it was also mentioned , that Arima is also behind Ultimate series too.and i was aiming for 6150. unfortunately , imate decided that it would be a better idea to keep it extremely quiet , not even mentioning that 5150 didn't release on Feb. !!!
i really don't have a choice other than turning to Flame.

[S1MB4D]

i really don't have a choice other than turning to Flame.

you make it out to be a death sentence lol :o

[markwin]

hi guys

i have bought an o2 flame yesterday from techoni in sydney, and the phonoe wont turn on.

i have inserted the battery as per the instructions, charged for 4 hours, and when i go to turn the phone on, nothing happens. i have held the button down for 2, 5, 10 seconds, and it still wont turn on. has anyone else experienced this issue?

also, they have not supplied me with an english manual for the phone, which i dont quite understand. the quickstart guide is english, but the manual is some other language

looks like i will have to return the phone monday unless there is something i am missing.

cheers

mark

[bimmer159]

hi guys

i have bought an o2 flame yesterday from techoni in sydney, and the phonoe wont turn on.

i have inserted the battery as per the instructions, charged for 4 hours, and when i go to turn the phone on, nothing happens. i have held the button down for 2, 5, 10 seconds, and it still wont turn on. has anyone else experienced this issue?

also, they have not supplied me with an english manual for the phone, which i dont quite understand. the quickstart guide is english, but the manual is some other language

looks like i will have to return the phone monday unless there is something i am missing.

cheers

mark
I guess, u have a faulty device

[igalan]

i have inserted the battery as per the instructions, charged for 4 hours, and when i go to turn the phone on, nothing happens. i have held the button down for 2, 5, 10 seconds, and it still wont turn on. has anyone else experienced this issue?

Try doing a soft reset. It's a small hole on the riqht side, below the camera button. Use the stylus.

I think the manual ie available online.

[king_dani]

you make it out to be a death sentence lol :o

well it kinda is. in my country , no new phones work with the major state-run operator .so even if i say goodbye to my ETEN M550 and welcome the flame , i won't use the telephony part so often.i can use my other SIM which works with newly imported phones , but i still have to buy some dumbphone to use my first SIM.

[apollooff320]

wow...has a nvidia gpu in it.

[dollardollar]

Hey does it support the new microSDHC 4.0GB card? NOt only supporting but could it handle it?

[JamesManios]

In anyone with a FLAME has another PDA, like a JAM or a JAMin or a Hermes, etc, could they take pictures of them side-by-side...
This link has some very good comparisons, but the more the merrier
http://www4.discuss.com.hk/viewthread.php?tid=4181198&extra=page%3D1&page=1

For anyone that was holding out for something like the ultimate 8150, it turns out that imate hasn't been too accurate with the dimensions, look at the CNet video and that thing is pretty BIG. NOT FLAME size big :-P , but still pretty big... which has me very disappointed.
http://tv.cnetasia.com/0,39067331,10005p,00.htm
http://www.gsmarena.com/i_mate_ultimate_8150-1883.php

Also the other device I was considering was an Eten x500+ but the reviews of its video at 640x480 have been VERY bad.

I hate to even think it, but if iPhone is SIMUnlock I might go that way until WM manufacturers start figuring out what they need to build :-(

[thierryb]

If you really want a vga pda phone, and do not need absolutely a keyboard, take the Flame.

The Eten is a 2,8". Not sure you will take advantage of the vga resolution.

[dollardollar]

Hey does it support the new microSDHC 4.0GB card? NOt only supporting but could it handle it?

Plz anyone could help me?

[thierryb]

I can. You can send me one, I will test it ;-)

I am not ready to purchase one. Sure O2 wil not support it in case of problem, because they send me a bad answer when I have declared to them issues with 2gb ones.

In fact you have lot of space with the internal 2gb and a 2gb microSd. Do not purchase a Sandisk, some of us have had issues.

[andyh]

Plz anyone could help me?

Same question. It seems like no one knows (on any forum).

[JamesManios]

So I ordered a Flame. Watching the iPhone activation video, I'm fairly certain that SIMunlocking it will not be enough to get it to work up in Canada, so while waiting why not get something now...

So, for the people with 2gig microSD problems you are recommending NOT getting SanDisk, does anyone have experience with a 2gig card that IS working all the time. For the people with problems, have you tried formatting it to FAT16 and not FAT32, maybe it would help. Years ago, on the Audiovox Thera I had this problem where FAT32 would take forever and FAT16 was quick. Its probably not the problem but worth a try.

Has anyone now tried CorePlayer v1.1 with the Flame, any better/worse? What about the TCPMP v0.81 build, any better/worse?

Finally, anyone know of a holster style case for the Flame? Like the Seido case for the Jamin, (I would love that!)
http://www.mobileplanet.com/p.aspx?i=121959

[ianpac]

I wrote to O2 Asia about SDHC and they replied it had not been tested but do not recommend it as "it may cause problems". In other words, the Flame is not SDHC compliant so 2GB is as far as you can go.

For other bands instead of Sandisk, try Kingston instead. I have used two Kingston 2GB SD cards for a couple of years now with my XDA2 and found them totally reliable. Alternatively consider RiData although I did have one of their cards fail on me but others are still ok.

[andyh]

Finally, anyone know of a holster style case for the Flame? Like the Seido case for the Jamin, (I would love that!)
http://www.mobileplanet.com/p.aspx?i=121959

I just ordered a new case from http://www.beyzacases.com/search1.cfm. It seems to be the best case I can find and it does have a swivel belt clip. I hope this helps.

[dollardollar]

Anyone from India, could guide me buy an XDA-FlAME. As i enquired almost everywhere in India but couldn't find one.

[S1MB4D]

hey guys,
just wondering anyone know who is making new battery for the flame as it is annoying to keep charging everyday after use!

also anyone know about a case like this one but with the belt clip thingy at the back http://www.beyzacases.com/pd_o2_xda_flame_flipsr_leather_case_black.cfm#

[igalan]

Brando (http://shop.brando.com.hk/prod_list.php?cat_id=735&dept_id=027) and PDair (http://www.pdair.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=10100000_900000_11000100) already have aluminium cases :) . I've just ordered the black one from PDair.

[JamesManios]

Given the size of the Flame, I wanna try to keep its size down as much as possible; while hunting down for cases I found this one for iPhone, damn thats nice!

http://www.expansys.ca/p.aspx?i=150307

I wonder if cases like this for XDA2 or XDA2s (if they exist) would fit the Flame 'well enough'?

What would you call a case like this, not a holster style really?
If anyone finds one like this for the Flame, PLEASE tell me.

[jags1]

well,i have been using flame for nearly 6 weeks now,when i got my phone,first thing i did threw a huge bundle of softwares in it including full length 3xmovies (lord of the rings x 2 and snakes on a plane :D ) core player/divx player/wisbars/informant/agenda fusions/pocket mechanic whole lot of spb and sbsh softwares plus whatever you can think of and games (boneyboy,rayman ultimate,skyforce,rats,pda mill's many games,namco's many games etc etc) i installed all those softwares too the ones given me trouble with my htc x7500 or many other previous devices,i did that just to see what FLAME can handle then i inserted 2gb sandisk micro sd card and installed tomtom navigator and movies plus pictures plus 1000s ringtones.
every software worked smooth as, even battery-pack-pro worked all good (gave lots of troubles previously) flame did not freeze under any pressure.
battery life slightly getting better but still isn't impressive.
one thing i was surprise to see that ppl complaining about sandisk 2g card that disappears,i had no issues whatsoever, i am running tomtom from sd card plus movies and using ringtones from sd card too,ia m using resco explorer and have dragged sd card onto my today screen for quick access,its always available never gone anywhere...!
so what am i saying here : FLAME rocks and yes beats any machine out there in size weight and design,some ppl will whinge always no matter what you present,flame is a good size POCKET PC phone and yes its very easily pocket-able. thank God i finally got rid-off my brick HTC x7500 always froze un-stable because of HDD, you see here Htc used micro drive as hard drive and that was bad move slow and unstable,O2 gave 2gb internal rom/nvram which much faster and no issues...!
at the end for ppl the ones looking at eten, tell you something eten is still a little kid in this ppc/pda phone game, i have used every single of their device, good efforts but still not good, their gps is useless using same module in every phone (i don't believe in built-in gps anyway bcoz they are too slow tiny hiding under the phone,external are exposed and they are faster) however,
eten always come out with something new so they can sell their stuff, now 2.8" vga screen idea they come up with BUT won't be so succesfull why? because of that small vga screen, icons for true vga softwares will appear so so tiny you won't enjoy looking at them at all,thats what i think .....! anyways my point at the end is: FLAME is the best right now :eek:

[JamesManios]

My FLAME just shipped so the reality of its impending arrival is starting to hit home :-P

I've never had a VGA device, but I remember from the XDA Exec that to make things show up in VGA (like the today screen) you had to do stuff to make it work, (it normally shows up in quad-pixel QVGA). Is this the case for the Flame, is there anything I should know to ahead of time. Any good source of information for all the questions I'm about to have? (No wiki here unfortunately for the flame), would it be the same as the Exec though?

[guinevere]

well,i have been using flame for nearly 6 weeks now,when i got my phone,first thing i did threw a huge bundle of softwares in it including full length 3xmovies (lord of the rings x 2 and snakes on a plane :D ) core player/divx player/wisbars/informant/agenda fusions/pocket mechanic whole lot of spb and sbsh softwares plus whatever you can think of and games (boneyboy,rayman ultimate,skyforce,rats,pda mill's many games,namco's many games etc etc) i installed all those softwares too the ones given me trouble with my htc x7500 or many other previous devices,i did that just to see what FLAME can handle then i inserted 2gb sandisk micro sd card and installed tomtom navigator and movies plus pictures plus 1000s ringtones.
every software worked smooth as, even battery-pack-pro worked all good (gave lots of troubles previously) flame did not freeze under any pressure.
battery life slightly getting better but still isn't impressive.
one thing i was surprise to see that ppl complaining about sandisk 2g card that disappears,i had no issues whatsoever, i am running tomtom from sd card plus movies and using ringtones from sd card too,ia m using resco explorer and have dragged sd card onto my today screen for quick access,its always available never gone anywhere...!
so what am i saying here : FLAME rocks and yes beats any machine out there in size weight and design,some ppl will whinge always no matter what you present,flame is a good size POCKET PC phone and yes its very easily pocket-able. thank God i finally got rid-off my brick HTC x7500 always froze un-stable because of HDD, you see here Htc used micro drive as hard drive and that was bad move slow and unstable,O2 gave 2gb internal rom/nvram which much faster and no issues...!
at the end for ppl the ones looking at eten, tell you something eten is still a little kid in this ppc/pda phone game, i have used every single of their device, good efforts but still not good, their gps is useless using same module in every phone (i don't believe in built-in gps anyway bcoz they are too slow tiny hiding under the phone,external are exposed and they are faster) however,
eten always come out with something new so they can sell their stuff, now 2.8" vga screen idea they come up with BUT won't be so succesfull why? because of that small vga screen, icons for true vga softwares will appear so so tiny you won't enjoy looking at them at all,thats what i think .....! anyways my point at the end is: FLAME is the best right now :eek:

Hi,

Was wondering how the flame is going using it with 3 sim card? is the streaming player working? can you watch mobile TV?
Did you phone automatically install all the setting for the 3 network?


Thx

Fellow Aussie on Three

[jags1]

My FLAME just shipped so the reality of its impending arrival is starting to hit home :-P

I've never had a VGA device, but I remember from the XDA Exec that to make things show up in VGA (like the today screen) you had to do stuff to make it work, (it normally shows up in quad-pixel QVGA). Is this the case for the Flame, is there anything I should know to ahead of time. Any good source of information for all the questions I'm about to have? (No wiki here unfortunately for the flame), would it be the same as the Exec though?

James,
any apps will run on ur flame but the ones are made true vga as well as qvga they will show the difference such as SPB's all software are qvga/vga they will show you real sharpness and clearance compare to the ones are just qvga,you will not have to do anything to see true vga format, just install pocket informant,agenda fusion,spb any softwares,sbsh any softwares your screen will be crystal clear, if you don't have vga softwares just PM me i will give you some as i always buy every cool software hits ppc market, flame is kinda different to what Exec had, just vga screen similarity doesn't make both devices work the same way, when you have your flame you will explore yourself and see the difference and hope you enjoy it :).
hit me back if you need more help regarding flame, i will try my best sort matter out :)

[jags1]

Hi,

Was wondering how the flame is going using it with 3 sim card? is the streaming player working? can you watch mobile TV?
Did you phone automatically install all the setting for the 3 network?


Thx

Fellow Aussie on Three

flame going perfect with 3 simcard,only thing is,it shows you telstra network instead 3 and we know why is that because 3 is dependant on telstra, when you turn your phone on (first time or hard reset) it installs all o2 apps and then it gives you auto config screen with all australian networks so you pick your network, remind you here that in that network list it shows telstra and 3 two different networks but when you select 3 ,it shows you as telstra anyway,
i don't use internet via 3 network i use wifi and couple 3rd party tv softwares all works very well, just last night i was using handi tv and had cartoon network channel hooked with my home tv for my 3 years old he was watching just like a tv channel, that was cool :D
if you want i can try playing stuff through 3 network and see how it goes.
cheers

[guinevere]

Could you tell me what MMS settings it has? or do you know if it installed the 3 settings or the telstra ones? Be interested to know if live streaming TV works like SBS and the Bigbrother one, for the sake of knowing that it fully works.

Also, could you clarify which app your using for the streaming, I gather your not using the bundled streaming player (if there was one). If your using third party ones do they auto launch from IE or opera?


ta...

[akashastrega]

The specs are pretty nice...like the whole Nvidia thing...but with my luck I'd probably do better by holding my breath for the Kaiser.
Why does the US have to be so far behind on all the fun techie shyt???

[arvind09]

well,i have been using flame for nearly 6 weeks now,when i got my phone,first thing i did threw a huge bundle of softwares in it including full length 3xmovies (lord of the rings x 2 and snakes on a plane :D ) core player/divx player/wisbars/informant/agenda fusions/pocket mechanic whole lot of spb and sbsh softwares plus whatever you can think of and games (boneyboy,rayman ultimate,skyforce,rats,pda mill's many games,namco's many games etc etc) i installed all those softwares too the ones given me trouble with my htc x7500 or many other previous devices,i did that just to see what FLAME can handle then i inserted 2gb sandisk micro sd card and installed tomtom navigator and movies plus pictures plus 1000s ringtones.
every software worked smooth as, even battery-pack-pro worked all good (gave lots of troubles previously) flame did not freeze under any pressure.
battery life slightly getting better but still isn't impressive.
one thing i was surprise to see that ppl complaining about sandisk 2g card that disappears,i had no issues whatsoever, i am running tomtom from sd card plus movies and using ringtones from sd card too,ia m using resco explorer and have dragged sd card onto my today screen for quick access,its always available never gone anywhere...!
so what am i saying here : FLAME rocks and yes beats any machine out there in size weight and design,some ppl will whinge always no matter what you present,flame is a good size POCKET PC phone and yes its very easily pocket-able. thank God i finally got rid-off my brick HTC x7500 always froze un-stable because of HDD, you see here Htc used micro drive as hard drive and that was bad move slow and unstable,O2 gave 2gb internal rom/nvram which much faster and no issues...!
at the end for ppl the ones looking at eten, tell you something eten is still a little kid in this ppc/pda phone game, i have used every single of their device, good efforts but still not good, their gps is useless using same module in every phone (i don't believe in built-in gps anyway bcoz they are too slow tiny hiding under the phone,external are exposed and they are faster) however,
eten always come out with something new so they can sell their stuff, now 2.8" vga screen idea they come up with BUT won't be so succesfull why? because of that small vga screen, icons for true vga softwares will appear so so tiny you won't enjoy looking at them at all,thats what i think .....! anyways my point at the end is: FLAME is the best right now :eek:



Could you please tell me as to how did you manage to install ringtones in your sd card i triedputting them in My Documents folder but no go.Tried reg hacks too,and even put them in the root folder of the sd card.Advice would be appreciated

[jags1]

i don't get ur problem dude,i just simply created a folder in sd card (named whatever) and copy & paste ringtones from my pc into that sd card folder. then tap and hold on each ringtone in my sd card folder,it gives me many options included set as ringtone....!thats all

[arvind09]

i don't get ur problem dude,i just simply created a folder in sd card (named whatever) and copy & paste ringtones from my pc into that sd card folder. then tap and hold on each ringtone in my sd card folder,it gives me many options included set as ringtone....!thats all

Yes but then by doing that the ringtone gets copied into the /windows/rings/ folder,unlike my Artemis that reads the ringtones from the Memory card directly.I know that the Flame has a huge internal memory and hardly makes a difference.

[JamesManios]

My Flame came today!

Cases: I think I might be able to modify these cases slightly to make them fit the flame, (I ordered one of each to try out), I will tell you guys how it goes.
http://www.seidioonline.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=75
http://www.seidioonline.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=79

Question: I'm trying to SHOW the ExtendedRom, has anyone managed this yet on the Flame? I tried the usual LM\System\StorageManager\Profiles\TRUEFFS_DOC1 with MountHidden=0, MountAsBootable=1 but its not coming up. Anyone gotten it to work?

Besides this one article, are there any other Flame resources?

[igalan]

I working to avoid the Bluetooth radio from turning off when the device goes to suspend mode. If someone has made any progress, please post back.

Currently I'm working with registry settings. There is one called HKLM\Software\Microsft\Bluetooth\sys\DisableAutoSu spend that by default is set to 1. I've set it to 0, softreset and now it seems the Flame won't go to suspend mode (and it won't drop BT either)! I've seen this isn't the first PDA that is designed to work this way, I'm working to see if solutions for other PDAs apply here.

Here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=245887) is a post on the Universal about this same issue. Unfortunately no registry edit could completely fix it :( .

[S1MB4D]

My Flame came today!

Besides this one article, are there any other Flame resources?


hey i dont know of any other resources that are this well developed so far you you happen to come across one please tell us :)

[jags1]

has anyone started o2 flame wm6 procedure yet? should i be the one to start that ? :D

[p.loong]

has anyone started o2 flame wm6 procedure yet? should i be the one to start that ? :D

Errrr what do you mean?

[jags1]

take it easy bro,
i meant if anyone thinking about wm6 upgrade for flame? looks like o2 is scared to do this job, i actually sent them an email asking this question if they ever bring wm6 for flame, answer was : they are looking at many o2 devices for wm6 upgrade but can't say which device will get this upgrade and when ,so i am not sure if they will bring something for flame at all or maybe leave up to flame owners to play with it however they want,u know wat am sayin? :D

[JamesManios]

MyFact: I'm playing a source at 640x480 using CorePlayer v1.1 on DirectDraw and it crashes ... flipping to RawFrame I get only 68% AverageSpeed. So I install TCPMP 0.81 and it also crashes on DirectDraw, flip to RawFrame and get 72% (which is funny I thought CorePlayer was supposed to be better/faster) but MORE importantly, I flip it to GAPI and am getting 149% so I would recommend that mode (for now anyways)

Question: On the CorePlayer forum someone was asking about supporting the GoForce and saying that the internal MediaPlayer was accelerated??? Is that TRUE? Does anyone know that for a fact? I don't have a 640x480 WMV yet but would be very interested if that was true?

igalan: When I turn on Bluetooth and suspend the device the bluetooth light keeps flashing? What are you referring to exactly?

MyFact: I have a 2gig micro-sd and it has not 'not been found' yet? For the people with this problem how often does it happen?

[igalan]

Right now when the device is suspended (briefly pressint the power button), the blue LED keeps blinking, but the BT radio actually is turned off. So if you're connected to a car hands-free, it will disconnect after that and you're no longer able to make calls from the hands-free. Reactivating the Flame will enable the BT radio and resume connections, but it takes some time. This behavior is by desing.

I've been investigating a bit, because the Universal had this same problem (and it has been discussed in its forum), but I don't have a fix. I do know some things that won't work, like the reg key that I mentioned earlier or playing with HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power. The problem might require replacing some BT related files, but at this point I can't be sure.

BTW, I use two MicroSD cards. Both identical Sandisk (made in Taiwan). One is formatted with FAT16, the other with FAT32. The one with FAT16 has failed to mount several times. The one with FAT32 has yet to fail. But I haven't had to do many resets, so it can be coincidence.

[JamesManios]

While surfing around for more detail I found this...

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1309266&postcount=5

Its interesting because this ROM is newer then the ROM on my Flame? It might be interesting to find out what everyone else has. Also, how would you get a newer rom? (the link in the article no longer works)


MyRomDetails:

ROM Version: WWE_RC1070309
BootLoader : V2.2C601
GSM Version: P5C2
extROM Version: WWE_RM_070421
RIL Version: v07.76

[swain69]

Duh :o But there are some strong stations here which might be picked up with an internal antenna.

Even more than the camera and IR, the FM radio is a luxury for me. I rarely listen to radio anyway.

A very weird thing happened to my Flame today, I've been listening to the radio on the Flame for the most part of the day. I unplugged the headset and started typing a sms. when i got the sent message bubble, the radio started playing spontaneously, without the headset plugged in !!! Reception was clear. I had been re-installing apps during the day, probably there was a registry clash somehow, but this goes to prove that you don't need the headset plugged in to listen to the radio. Btw, it happened again a few times after that. The only way i could stop it was a soft reset.

Has anybody manage to turn the screen off and on using software eg skschema or whatever other tool? I manage to turn it off, but when I try to turn it back on it's very very dim.

[swain69]

because this ROM is newer then the ROM on my Flame? It might be interesting to find out what everyone else has. Also, how would you get a newer rom? (the link in the article no longer works)


MyRomDetails:

ROM Version: WWE_RC1070309
BootLoader : V2.2C601
GSM Version: P5C2
extROM Version: WWE_RM_070421
RIL Version: v07.76[/QUOTE]

Here's mine :

ROM Version: WWE_RC1070309
BootLoader : V2.2C601
GSM Version: P6A2
extROM Version: WWE_RM_070516
RIL Version: v08.60

[strudders]

I have just bought a flame, and it also has the following:

ROM Version: WWE_RC1070309
BootLoader : V2.2C601
GSM Version: P6A2
extROM Version: WWE_RM_070516
RIL Version: v08.60

Having moved from a HTC Wizard, I find it a much more useful device as it is the first PPC that I have found that it useable due to the screen size ( I can actually read PDF's without multiple zooms in and out). The USB hosting is great too !

[igalan]

I have the newer ROM, too.

[S1MB4D]

anyone come acroos any info about wm6?

[JamesManios]

Figures I would have the old one. Did your devices come with this rom or did you download it somewhere? I never even looked at the CD in the box, is it possible it was there?

[jags1]

actual ROM is the same what you got and what i have got or some one else got,i haven't seen anyone with rom other than WWE_RC1070309 it seems to be gsm/radio version is different in numbers (not a big deal)

[JamesManios]

Usually the biggest battery savings/loses come from the radio roms so I usually like to try them out. I actually have a problem with the Bluetooth-handset and the Phone so it might even help in that regard. I'm not overly worried about it (really hoping O2 just releases a WM6 rom for all of us) but would like to know if the roms where available in some way. The ExtRom is also newer which might mean some newer apps.

Speaking of ExtRom, has anyone tried any of the older HTC unlockers for the ExtRom? Since the registry MountHidden stuff didn't work for me, I would like to know if anyone has access to the ExtRom apps and how they got it, just read access is fine, more just wondering if anyone figured it out.

[jags1]

i hv sent o2 an email asking question about rom differences anyway so see what they say,i think battery life issues stills remains for flame even in newer radio/gsm version? i haven't played with ext stuff,didn't feel like using o2 apps (most of em are buggy anyway) i have so many 3rd party almost bug free apps,i customized my falme my own way with those apps and its cool.
ye window upgrade will be a good idea,we might get better battery life and more stable flame.

[arvind09]

I think we should request Admin to give us a seperate part in the forum like the other ppc listed here,would make life much easier for all the Flame owners,what do you guys think?

[Conracer]

I agree. With the foundation of xda-developers i think the intended use was to help users of Windows CE Phone Edition blow up their devices. Now, there are more companies in the market than HTC all using similar Hardware, but Windows Mobile. That count of devices is no reason to limit xda-developers. What about moving HTC to a vBulletin-subcategory?! ;)

[shaileshashar]

I think we should request Admin to give us a seperate part in the forum like the other ppc listed here,would make life much easier for all the Flame owners,what do you guys think?

The admins had made a seperate Flame Forum for a couple of days and then something went wrong and they decided not to have a seperate thread.
It is no use even taking about it now.

[keeekeee]

I working to avoid the Bluetooth radio from turning off when the device goes to suspend mode. If someone has made any progress, please post back.

Currently I'm working with registry settings. There is one called HKLM\Software\Microsft\Bluetooth\sys\DisableAutoSu spend that by default is set to 1. I've set it to 0, softreset and now it seems the Flame won't go to suspend mode (and it won't drop BT either)! I've seen this isn't the first PDA that is designed to work this way, I'm working to see if solutions for other PDAs apply here.

Here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=245887) is a post on the Universal about this same issue. Unfortunately no registry edit could completely fix it :( .

so if we edit the disableAutoSuspend from 1 to 0. then it helps? I am using flame with itech clip D. Actually flame working fine with clip D but not after i have install the Jetwaremobile in order to see the CALLER ID on clip D. Yes it can see the incoming caller ID now but it will disconnect if flame go to suspend mode. headache.

[igalan]

If you set the DisableAutoSuspend to 0 your Flame will not go to suspend mode while a Bluetooth connections exists. To a certain point this helps, as it won't disconnect, but it won't enter into lower power mode.

[keeekeee]

If you set the DisableAutoSuspend to 0 your Flame will not go to suspend mode while a Bluetooth connections exists. To a certain point this helps, as it won't disconnect, but it won't enter into lower power mode.

it means it works but it will drain battery even faster? .... so still no solution? wat a expensive device with a lousy bluetooth connection. :( :(

[JamesManios]

Along the bluetooth line ... is it just my phone, or does bluetooth turn off every time you reset? I do a backup every night and have the phone reset after so this is a problem when I get in the car in the morning since it will not bond with the car-kit, (and I have to manually enable it, which I NEVER end up doing)

Normally I use either PhoneAlarm or PhoneSuite to have them auto-enable bluetooth but I think the different comm-manager in the Flame is causing these apps to NOT be able to do it.

Also, am I crazy or does the Flame not come with any voicedialing software? I installed VC 1.6 but when the carkit tries to initiate a voicedial all that comes out of the carkit is TERRIBLE feedback? Anyone gotten voicedialing/carkit working?

There really should make a new section for the flame, or this is going to become one really LONG thread.

[igalan]

Many people here has asked for a Flame forum, but the admins and mods ruled out the idea because the Flame is not made by HTC. It seems that we have to keep posting on the general forum and have the threads merged with anything else.

About Bluetooth, actually it turns off when the device suspends. At that point it will disconnect from you carkit, of course. I'm trying to see if something in the registry can change this behavior. But I'm starting to think that we'll have to wait for a new ROM or a hacked BT Stack...

[JamesManios]

Actually my problem is different. When I suspend the phone I know bluetooth also suspends but to the phone it still considers 'bluetooth on', so that when you turn the phone back on bluetooth is running and my carkit can initiate a conversation with it. My problem is when the phone resets, Bluetooth is turned OFF, (at least for me) so that when the carkit tries to initiate the connection it can't because the physical bluetooth radio is off, (and you would have to go back into CommManager to turn it back on).

I was thinking this might be controlled by a registry (restart/reconnect/start) bluetooth on reboot, but haven't found anything yet. Normally this isn't a problem since PH or SpbPS can normally do it, but I think the flame is too different.

[JamesManios]

igalan: I saw you have a post on SBP Backup about the Flame not backing up a file (I have the same probelm). But I also have a different problem, have you tried to do a restore yet?

Everytime I try to do a restore (it restores fine) but the phone will NOT find service. GPRS still works but the GSM part always shows 'no service'. I can not figure out why, or how to fix it, enabling disabling the phone doesn't do anything. The only thing that works is to hard reset and start over, basically voiding the purpose of the backups.

DAMN this sucks! I'm going to try other backups, like Sprite and Sunny, but I have a BAD, BAD feeling about this ....
edit: I wrote a question on SPB about it...
http://www.spbclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=47930#47930

[igalan]

No, I've not tried to restore a backup. I will try it when I have time to do a full reinstall in case it doesn't work properly.

[Tuningszocske]

I tried a lot of profiler program, but I noticed that none of them could control the backlight. Anybody tried a working one???

Anyway, with other control we have problems too with pofiler programs. With bluetooth, wireless...

[keeekeee]

Actually my problem is different. When I suspend the phone I know bluetooth also suspends but to the phone it still considers 'bluetooth on', so that when you turn the phone back on bluetooth is running and my carkit can initiate a conversation with it. My problem is when the phone resets, Bluetooth is turned OFF, (at least for me) so that when the carkit tries to initiate the connection it can't because the physical bluetooth radio is off, (and you would have to go back into CommManager to turn it back on).

I was thinking this might be controlled by a registry (restart/reconnect/start) bluetooth on reboot, but haven't found anything yet. Normally this isn't a problem since PH or SpbPS can normally do it, but I think the flame is too different.


yeah i have the same problem. everytime soft reset, then we have to manually turn the bluetooth on again. very troublesome. it never happen to DOPOD. I hope dopod would come out something like flame then i can let o2 goes :(

somemore we cannot set ringtone for incoming MMS. Don't understand why cannot. All my dopod pdaphone can .... but o2 flame cannot. only can set it for SMS (text messenge) :(

[keeekeee]

I tried a lot of profiler program, but I noticed that none of them could control the backlight. Anybody tried a working one???

Anyway, with other control we have problems too with pofiler programs. With bluetooth, wireless...

yeah i realized that. spb pocket plus also cannot adjust the backlight.

also Spb SPB Full Screen Keyboard also dun work on o2 Flame :(

Any ideas when will the new rom or WM6 ready for Flame? :(:(

[jags1]

sprite back up and sunny soft work fine,spb keyboard and tenGO keyboard do not work,flames own crapy keyboard wouldn't let them do anything :D i have not tried any other keyboard,anybody tried plz let us know as flames keyboard is annoying.

[JamesManios]

sprite back up and sunny soft work fine

Did you do a restore with Sprite or Sunny? The backup in SBP Backup works its the restore thats the problem. I was actually able to get the restore to work without restoring any of the dbs. (obviously things like contacts and emails and stuff were messed up but they are easy enough to get back), and the phone is now working.


I installed Calligrapher which has its own keyboard but its not really a keyboard like SPB's. What happens with SPBs keyboard that it doesn't work, (is it cause its QVGA?)

[jags1]

tenGO and spb keyboards work, how spb keyboard works? you assign it to a hard key and when you are about to write sms/email,you just hit the button you assigned spb keyboard,it will appear full screen keyboard then you write whatever you wanna write and sooner you close keyboard all your text will appear in sms/email place,its a full screen keyboard thats why doesn't appear in small form in the same sms/email window (thats what i discovered)
its really a handy big letters keyboard with different skins and yes its a VGA (remind you any of spb softwares will be vga compatible,they make full compatible to any screen out there) i installed tenGO and spb screen keyboard but would prefer spb,its cool.
and yes sunnysoft back up manager is really good backs up restores and so sprite back up do, i had no problems with them.

[keeekeee]

tenGO and spb keyboards work, how spb keyboard works? you assign it to a hard key and when you are about to write sms/email,you just hit the button you assigned spb keyboard,it will appear full screen keyboard then you write whatever you wanna write and sooner you close keyboard all your text will appear in sms/email place,its a full screen keyboard thats why doesn't appear in small form in the same sms/email window (thats what i discovered)
its really a handy big letters keyboard with different skins and yes its a VGA (remind you any of spb softwares will be vga compatible,they make full compatible to any screen out there) i installed tenGO and spb screen keyboard but would prefer spb,its cool.
and yes sunnysoft back up manager is really good backs up restores and so sprite back up do, i had no problems with them.


yeah tried again the SPB full screen keyboard. yeah must assing to a hard key button then will work. thanks for the information. :) thanks

[S1MB4D]

anyone found a skin the flame to look like the iphone......about the only thing the iphone is good for!

[JamesManios]

I've made a mortscript to turn on BlueTooth and Wifi when the device restart.

You must install MortScript first, (its freeware)

Remove the .txt from the script (the forum would not allow .mortrun to upload so you have to rename it)

Place the script in \Windows\Startup

That should be it... You might have to experiment with the timing on the Sleep command, or enhance the script more, I just started looking into mortscript so it might be able to do more then I have it doing.

[JamesManios]

Just some more detail about the 'timing', because I'm running Wisbar and a bunch of stuff, I changed my script to give all the other loading time to finish, 30 seconds, and then started Wireless Management and increased the time between clicking bluetooth on and Wifi on, (because while bluetooth is starting if you click wifi it will not start). Then for cleanup, I wait for wifi and minimize the app.

At this point profiles like (SPB PhoneSuite) can turn off and on wifi and bluetooth (it seems they need help initially from wireless management)


Sleep(30000)
Run("\Windows\WirelessDPM.exe")
WaitForActive("Wireless Management",60)
Sleep(5000)
MouseClick("Wireless Management",95,266)
Sleep(8000)
MouseClick("Wireless Management",95,367)
Sleep(10000)
Minimize("Wireless Management")

[Tuningszocske]

Just some more detail about the 'timing', because I'm running Wisbar and a bunch of stuff, I changed my script to give all the other loading time to finish, 30 seconds, and then started Wireless Management and increased the time between clicking bluetooth on and Wifi on, (because while bluetooth is starting if you click wifi it will not start). Then for cleanup, I wait for wifi and minimize the app.

At this point profiles like (SPB PhoneSuite) can turn off and on wifi and bluetooth (it seems they need help initially from wireless management)


Sleep(30000)
Run("\Windows\WirelessDPM.exe")
WaitForActive("Wireless Management",60)
Sleep(5000)
MouseClick("Wireless Management",95,266)
Sleep(8000)
MouseClick("Wireless Management",95,367)
Sleep(10000)
Minimize("Wireless Management")

Thanks! I will try! I think you mean profiles "can't" turn off and on wifi and bluetooth instead of "can". If yes, I agree, if not please tell me how!

Another thing I played with:
One of my favourite application was Opera Mini on my previous PDAphone (QTEK9000). I loved it with all its capabilities and graphical look. But it is changed with this new hardware. We have a new java midlet application manager (Jeode, Esmertec) which handles fonts in a different way like we use with Intent midlet manager. So when You use Opera Mini with our new Esmertec, you can realize, that if you set font size to small texts are almost unreadably small, when you increase just one! size (medium) those will be very huge.

Unfortunately there is not any .ini file or registry settings with both of Esmertec Java midlet manager or Opera Mini, therefore after more hours experience I found one way I am satisfied with: I duplicated my favourite font on PDAs (Thorndale AMT) and renamed to "tahoma.ttf" and "tahomabd.ttf" and I created another duplicate with the name "cour.ttf" and I overwrited with RescoExplorer in those three fonts in the Windows directory, so every font in the system will be Thorndale AMT. (I don't know if it does matter, but I had Thorndale in the /Windows/Fonts dir also) So, after this Esmertec (with Opera Mini) had a more useable text reading with the medium font size setting, but be careful, all applications which are using the system default font may be with different look. (For example texts of iGO - I don't bother it changed, I like it)

If You want to use this method I did, I highly recommended to backup your original fonts.

Another problem with OperaMini is the "screen-handling". It doesn't handle the touchscreen operations with the Flame (screen-dragging or dragging the scrollbars) just page-turning with the scrollbar. If anybody knows a solution it is welcome, I couldn't have a good way working it.

Flame can have a different screen handling operation than other PDAs, because with all applications It is working with problems which using screen-handling.

...
Another thing I noticed. I used Vito AudioNotes before also, I like it. With my previous PDAs it worked when I wanted to record a phonecall, but recorded just the sound of microphone (what I said) without the speaker (the other half), but with Flame it records just the speaker's sound without the mic's sound, which is a bit better, but it would be more better if it can record both.

So, it seems Flame has different hardware addresses than other PDAs.

I have more hard experience with O2 XDA Flame if somebody needs some information, but I don't want to write pages, if nobody cares.

[JamesManios]

Tuningszocske: Actually I did mean 'can'. Right now I have SPB PhoneSuite running with 2 profiles, (home and work) based on time. Home has wifi on and Work has wifi off. Also long as I have wifi turned on prior to them running they are able to control the individual states afterwards. I got this idea actually from the SPB forum for PhoneSuite where they talk about the fact that on some devices you have to turn of radios ON first before the app is able to control them. Give it a try, install a profiler, reset, turn them on, have the profile switch a profile and you should see it work. I believe I tested it with PhoneAlarm, (but am not positive), but I know its working with PhoneSuite v1.1

When you say Opera Mini do you mean Opera Mini or Opera Mobile. Mini is (I thought) for smartphone and Mobile was meant for PDA? I haven't installed either yet am hoping v9 gets released soon before I do.

General Question: Has anyone gotten the Flame to play nice with a bluetooth carkit? I installed VC1.6 to get voice dialing going and when I start a voicedial from the Bluetooth carkit the speakers gets TONES of feedback, to the point of being unusable (currently anyways). I am wondering about the SRS, and db on the headphone, or some of the attenuation registries, but not sure what to try just yet and hoping someone has looked into it/had the same problems.

[keeekeee]

I tried to set
HKLM\Software\Microsft\Bluetooth\sys\DisableAutoSu by default is set to 1. I've set it to 0. then my flame working fine with my bluetooth headset BUT battery drain very very very fast. 12% for an hour. half day battery dead.

dun know why yesterday whole day working fine but today cannot connect again sometimes. dun know what went wrong. Flame really driving me crazy. Perhaps i shd let go Flame and get the Atom Life :(

so the following file will help? anyone try yet? will try ... hopefully the wm6 rom come out will solve all the problem and have better battery life. "praying"
MortScript-4.0-PPC.cab
BlueToothWifi.mortrun.txt

[keeekeee]

I've made a mortscript to turn on BlueTooth and Wifi when the device restart.

You must install MortScript first, (its freeware)

Remove the .txt from the script (the forum would not allow .mortrun to upload so you have to rename it)

Place the script in \Windows\Startup

That should be it... You might have to experiment with the timing on the Sleep command, or enhance the script more, I just started looking into mortscript so it might be able to do more then I have it doing.

what shd i edit to make it ONLY turn bluetooth on? I don't wanna turn the WiFi on. Thanks JamesManios for sharing. hopefully it works. just downloaded. now going to try it. thanks again

[thierryb]

Thanks! I will try! I think you mean profiles "can't" turn off and on wifi and bluetooth instead of "can". If yes, I agree, if not please tell me how!

Another thing I played with:
One of my favourite application was Opera Mini on my previous PDAphone (QTEK9000). I loved it with all its capabilities and graphical look. But it is changed with this new hardware. We have a new java midlet application manager (Jeode, Esmertec) which handles fonts in a different way like we use with Intent midlet manager. So when You use Opera Mini with our new Esmertec, you can realize, that if you set font size to small texts are almost unreadably small, when you increase just one! size (medium) those will be very huge.

Unfortunately there is not any .ini file or registry settings with both of Esmertec Java midlet manager or Opera Mini, therefore after more hours experience I found one way I am satisfied with: I duplicated my favourite font on PDAs (Thorndale AMT) and renamed to "tahoma.ttf" and "tahomabd.ttf" and I created another duplicate with the name "cour.ttf" and I overwrited with RescoExplorer in those three fonts in the Windows directory, so every font in the system will be Thorndale AMT. (I don't know if it does matter, but I had Thorndale in the /Windows/Fonts dir also) So, after this Esmertec (with Opera Mini) had a more useable text reading with the medium font size setting, but be careful, all applications which are using the system default font may be with different look. (For example texts of iGO - I don't bother it changed, I like it)

If You want to use this method I did, I highly recommended to backup your original fonts.

Another problem with OperaMini is the "screen-handling". It doesn't handle the touchscreen operations with the Flame (screen-dragging or dragging the scrollbars) just page-turning with the scrollbar. If anybody knows a solution it is welcome, I couldn't have a good way working it.

Flame can have a different screen handling operation than other PDAs, because with all applications It is working with problems which using screen-handling.

...
Another thing I noticed. I used Vito AudioNotes before also, I like it. With my previous PDAs it worked when I wanted to record a phonecall, but recorded just the sound of microphone (what I said) without the speaker (the other half), but with Flame it records just the speaker's sound without the mic's sound, which is a bit better, but it would be more better if it can record both.

So, it seems Flame has different hardware addresses than other PDAs.

I have more hard experience with O2 XDA Flame if somebody needs some information, but I don't want to write pages, if nobody cares.

I have the same problems than yours concerning opera mini and Audio Recorder. In addition with audio recorder I hear nothing when I use a bluetooth headset; probably the same behavior as others with Voice Command.

I can also confirm the behavior of SPB phone Suite. Except the fact that you have to activate wifi with Comm Manager the first time after a soft reset, after the profiles are well managed. In fact, Comm Manager have the priority, if you have used it to be in flight mode, SPB phone Suite can't deactivate flight mode.

Why they do not want to open a subforum ? Crazy situation!

[igalan]

I found that Spb Phone Suite did work fine here, I don't think I turned the radios on manually before Spb Phone Suite did... But I removed it because it didn't do what I wanted. I've also tried SBSH PhoneWeaver; this one did exactly what I needed (keep the PDA on while on car profile), but unfortunately every time that I pressed the on button it would start the wifi radio as well :( . So I've unistalled it as well. I someone else knows a program that can do that...

[thierryb]

You are right. Spb Phone Suite do not allow to manage power. Could be usefull. I will ask them.

[p.loong]

Have anyone try Windows Lives on Flame

[JamesManios]

what shd i edit to make it ONLY turn bluetooth on? I don't wanna turn the WiFi on. Thanks JamesManios for sharing. hopefully it works. just downloaded. now going to try it. thanks again

MouseClick("Wireless Management",95,266) -> this is the bluetooth coordinates
MouseClick("Wireless Management",95,367) -> this is wifi

so yours would look something like this

Sleep(30000)
Run("\Windows\WirelessDPM.exe")
WaitForActive("Wireless Management",60)
Sleep(5000)
MouseClick("Wireless Management",95,266)
Sleep(10000)
Minimize("Wireless Management")

[JamesManios]

For people with Bluetooth VoiceDialing working, please help:

What VoiceDialing app are you using, which version, (ie: VC 1.6, Cyberon Speed Dial 1.1, 1.2, etc..)

Also, what values do you have in...

HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Bluetooth\AudioGateway\BTA GExtModule


VoiceDialing is STILL not working for me. VC1.6 will initiate from the carkit but with the feedback. When using Cyberon the carkit will launch the phone and NOT the app even though I have
HKLM\SOFTWARE\OEM\VoiceCommand\Path = "\Windows\SDDialer.exe"
set.

This is the one hurtle left right now.

Anyone Overclocking yet: If yes, are you using PocketHackMaster. What L,M,N values are working best for you?

[Tuningszocske]

Tuningszocske: Actually I did mean 'can'. Right now I have SPB PhoneSuite running with 2 profiles, (home and work) based on time. Home has wifi on and Work has wifi off. Also long as I have wifi turned on prior to them running they are able to control the individual states afterwards. I got this idea actually from the SPB forum for PhoneSuite where they talk about the fact that on some devices you have to turn of radios ON first before the app is able to control them. Give it a try, install a profiler, reset, turn them on, have the profile switch a profile and you should see it work. I believe I tested it with PhoneAlarm, (but am not positive), but I know its working with PhoneSuite v1.1

When you say Opera Mini do you mean Opera Mini or Opera Mobile. Mini is (I thought) for smartphone and Mobile was meant for PDA? I haven't installed either yet am hoping v9 gets released soon before I do.

General Question: Has anyone gotten the Flame to play nice with a bluetooth carkit? I installed VC1.6 to get voice dialing going and when I start a voicedial from the Bluetooth carkit the speakers gets TONES of feedback, to the point of being unusable (currently anyways). I am wondering about the SRS, and db on the headphone, or some of the attenuation registries, but not sure what to try just yet and hoping someone has looked into it/had the same problems.

Hm.... Thankx for the infos about the profilers, I will try.

When I say Opera Mini, it is Opera Mini, not Opera Mobile. There are two working Opera browser for Pocket PCs.
First: Opera Mini is a java midlet, which is one of the best browser I've ever tried. (It resizes webpages for mobile phones by 10% of the original page. It reorganizes the whole page without frames, flash videos, advertisements... Just give it a try if You've not tested yet. It is the best browser to read the news or anything without loading complicated webpage structures)
Second: Opera Mobile is a standalone webbrowser application, but I'm sure You know it as I heard from Your words. Opera Mobile is the best if You want to use the more complicated web surfaces.

What is v9?

I haven't tested any bluetooth device just my GPS.

[jags1]

i have no problems using bluetooth,i used blue-ant x3 micro, it doesn't disconnect or drops call or anything like that,works normal,will try carkit and speed dial and see how it goes.
i asked o2 question about rom versions why we having different numbers? below is their answer:

Dear Jag,

Thank you for contacting O2 Asia Technical Support.

With regards to the query that you have stated below, please be advised that the Xda Flame is released with the WWE RC1070309. As long as the ROM versions match then the minor differences maybe due to the batch of shipment date when the devices were released.

Thank you.

so thats what i thought from the start that actual rom is only one and everyone has the same rom,o2 have not made any upgrade to actual rom yet,rest of the radio verions etc looks a bit different ,why? thats what o2 replied above about.

[leochan2005]

Any one knows how to make the device turn on by pressing any button. currently I can only use the power on/off botton. Just not good enough

[jags1]

ye i want that too :D but you will have to play with registry for that thing,will let you know if i come up with somefin.

[JamesManios]

I had asked O2 about the roms and WM6 and got the following

"You may wish to be advised that O2 has recently released the Windows Mobile 6 upgrade for Xda Atom Life and Xda Zinc users. Aside from that, O2 Asia currently has no plans of providing WM6 for current models including XDA Flame. You may wish to refer time and again in the near future to www.seeo2.com for further information on the devices with Windows Mobile 6.

Also, please note that the Xda Flame is released with the WWE RC1070309. As long as the ROM versions match then the minor differences maybe due to the batch of shipment date when the devices were released."

I'm worried that now that O2 is getting the iPhone deal they may turn their back s on us poor WM users and never do a Flame update :-(

[ThaiM]

I filled the cup.

[jags1]

first they said we are testing wm6 on flame,that was just before they released flame and gave ppl impression that ye no worries flame comes out with wm6,if not then soon after they release flame there will be an upgrade for it and yes thats exactly how i was told by "organiser world" a one of the biggest mobile phone/pda etc store in melbourne,they said flame comes with wm6,in worst case when its released it will have wm6 upgrade available on o2 site.
so now looks like O2 cheated with us or as you said turning their back,specially after these comments "they have no plan for flame upgrade in near future"
they should atleast give us an upgrade to a newer wm5 rom,they need to clear lots of bugs,the biggest is battery drainage plus many more.
i am un-certain now after their replies in regards to wm6 or rom upgrade,don't know if i should keep flame or put on ebay and switch back to htc.
any suggestions will be appreciated.

[JamesManios]

I am also struggling with this thing, weather to ebay or not. The device is nice but has LOTS of problems, (my devices crashes a lot while in suspend mode), carkit not working, and its SIZE! I really was hoping some update would help, but xda-devs unwillingness to even add it to the forum, little development for the GPU, and now possibly no rom updates, kinda makes it feel like its going to be a turkey. :-(

[fr4gm0nk3y]

Froogle brings it up around 1k USD, ouch $$$$$$.

[igalan]

Calm down, I would be surprised if O2 releases a new ROM during July or August. I would expect mid September as more realistic. Being the Flame one of the most capable devices around, I don't think O2 will leave us with the current ROM wich is at beta level.

[Hagow]

Hey guys and gals,

This is my first post in XDA Dev and I have been following this thread for awhile now. I have the FLAME on order and should receive it by tomorrow. I have couple of questions...

1) I live in Toronto, Ontario Canada and my provider is ROGERS. Rogers run on a GSM 850/1900 mhz band will I have difficulties with reception as the FLAME only have the 1900 band?

2) I also read some bugs in this thread but what is the overall verdict on the FLAME are you guys happy with it? I don't care much for WM6 although it would be nice. The FLAME is like an DELL x50v on steroids and with a phone. I use to own a x50v and loved it but wished it had phone capabilities.

3) How is the phone quality and is the call volume loud? Does the other end hear themshelves talking when put on speakerphone?(currently experiencing this with my ETEN M600+)

4) Just how bad is the battery life? I thought my DELL x50v's battery life was very bad is it worst than that? Will it last if I played 2hrs of video with screen brightness at medium?

I just don't want to be disappointed...

[swain69]

Hi Hagow,

1) I live in New Zealand and we have a similiar GSM, I have no problems with reception.
2) I am very happy with the Flame, wish we had an WM6 upgrade though so that bluetooth can get sorted out and push email for hotmail. I've had the Atom before...what a piece of crap.
3) Phone quality is ok, although callers complain that the Flame rings (on their side) for while before I hear it.
4) Battery life is ok, I have it charged it all the time, like I had with my previous Dell.

For me the biggest problem with all my other Pocket PC's and Pocket PC phones was RAM, I always seem to run out of it. Not with the Flame

[Tuningszocske]

Hi Hagow,

1) I live in New Zealand and we have a similiar GSM, I have no problems with reception.
2) I am very happy with the Flame, wish we had an WM6 upgrade though so that bluetooth can get sorted out and push email for hotmail. I've had the Atom before...what a piece of crap.
3) Phone quality is ok, although callers complain that the Flame rings (on their side) for while before I hear it.
4) Battery life is ok, I have it charged it all the time, like I had with my previous Dell.

For me the biggest problem with all my other Pocket PC's and Pocket PC phones was RAM, I always seem to run out of it. Not with the Flame

1)We got the answer
2)I am happy with flame. Everybody wants WM6. But why??? I owned QTEK9000 before the Flame. I tried WM5 and WM6 on it. WM6 is almost the same than WM5 with that new look and icons, and that great dialler application. While we have a very strong hardware (double RAM) now I don't care the look of WM6, I use Wisbar Advance and Wisbar Advance Desktop to create a lot more beautiful look than WM6. (I attached screenshots about my Flame's today-screen with two conditions) About the dialler I don't care again since O2 gave us their O2 Phone Plus which has a smart dialler also.
3) Phone-quality is weaker than any of my previous PDA-phones in sound quality (with any speaker), because the high frequencies are poorer, that's why You can hear harder the consonants, they are not very clear. Speakers have a poor sound quality also, that SRS-effect is almost than nothing useful (I know what is SRS in real, I'm using it in my work, but it is a hanky-panky). I say it as I'm a sound engineer, musician, composer and music producer, so what I know about something surely is sound. :) So, what You can hear from the Flame is not the best from any speakers. Phone-line quality is the best from my previous PDA-phones in my country (Hungary). (I have a lot of PDA-phones) Almost never breaks the line.
4) Battery - here is the worst parameter of Flame. Although it has bigger battery than usual (1620mAh), it can NOT usable for a whole day, just if You don't use it. I usually use it for calling from 1 to 2 hours, some web surfing, some application using, some navigation software, and after 8-9 hours (with a lot of standby condition certainly) it turns off because battery level is less than 5%. My QTEK9000 with the same battery was better. But we have a chance to wait for the usual extended batteries which are normally the double size (in capacity and in dimensions also) of the original battery with a new back cover. Also we have an option to buy a charger for XDA Flame (for example here:
http://www.gpsforless.co.uk/product_details.php?id=8248
due soon...) with a second battery.
Another opion: we can buy external batteries:
http://www.gpsforless.co.uk/product_details.php?id=8244 with3600mAh or
http://www.gpsforless.co.uk/product_details.php?id=8239 with5600mAh

I hope it helped.

[JamesManios]

Hey guys and gals,

1) I live in Toronto, Ontario Canada and my provider is ROGERS. Rogers run on a GSM 850/1900 mhz band will I have difficulties with reception as the FLAME only have the 1900 band?

2) I also read some bugs in this thread but what is the overall verdict on the FLAME are you guys happy with it? I don't care much for WM6 although it would be nice. The FLAME is like an DELL x50v on steroids and with a phone. I use to own a x50v and loved it but wished it had phone capabilities.

3) How is the phone quality and is the call volume loud? Does the other end hear themshelves talking when put on speakerphone?(currently experiencing this with my ETEN M600+)

4) Just how bad is the battery life? I thought my DELL x50v's battery life was very bad is it worst than that? Will it last if I played 2hrs of video with screen brightness at medium?

I just don't want to be disappointed...

Very similar to my/my posts a couple of posts ago :-)

1} I'm also in Toronto on Rogers and the reception is good. Its not quiet as good as other HTC's I have had, but during my testing it has only missed 1 call. Sometimes at work downtown I get 1 or no bars, but if I get a call during those time its still usable so it works well enough.

2} It does have some issues, at least for me, but I am still trying to hammer them out. My Carkit is a huge problem, but my GPS is working totally fine. I only care for WM6 (or Rom updates in general) just in the hopes they fix some of the problems up, (cause this current build has problems)

3} The phone quality is a little quieter then an HTC it seems, but usable, (none of these devices are "great" phones really) but I would say completely acceptable.

4} My battery life is pretty good. I would say by the end of a day its about 60%, and I have the display at 100% and the CPU on performance (524Mhz). I listen to music on the train ride in, watch videos on the train ride back, always have bluetooth on (but not WIFI, it seems to be a massive drainer), so I would say its similar to my Prophet or Magician, maybe a little worse, but as long as you charge nightly you should be fine.

PS: mickesjo is really talented skinner!

[swain69]

I don't care much for the aesthetics of wm6, it's more that the bluetooth stack has finally been fixed, and the long awaited HTML email support amongst other niceties. I can't really believe we not getting wm6 ! I would have chosen another device if I had known then.

[Hagow]

Thanks for the replies...

JamesManios:

You are the guy that probably bought the Flame so now I actually need to go order mine...hopefully it comes in tomorrow. Where did you buy your Flame?

Anyone used an ETEN M600+ how are the phone quality comepared to that of ETEN?

What you yourate the FLAME out of 10 (10 being the best)?

I am really looking forward to the FLAME and I hope I won't be disappointed.

Thanks again for the replies!

Cheers!

[JamesManios]

I bought mine off of expansys.ca they said they had them in stock, (and I feel saver from a store) ... and then in usual expansys fashion, once I ordered it the website said out-of-stock and I had to wait 2 weeks to get it on backorder.

As for rating it, (for myself), I would have to say something like a 5, which I know sounds harsh but consider that its still somewhat new and getting its kinks worked out. Hopefully it will get better.

Downers: Little to no GoForce support (so it struggles to play/do things you know it SHOULD be able to do no problem), possibly little/no ROM updates, terrible carkit support, no built in voice-dialing, (where they would have noticed the terrible carkit support), colossal size though if the size doesn't bug you then it might move the number up to 6-7.

[swain69]

Wow...5
I'll give it an 8, bearing in mind my previous device was terrible.

[igalan]

The ROM isn't perfect and Bluetooth needs some work, but having 128 MB RAM makes a huge difference with anything else. It reminds me of my old F-S Loox 720 which also had 128 MB RAM and was an incredible device (and VGA, and about the same size). WM 5 and 6 do need the extra RAM if you're a "power user". Specially on Phone Editions, that have less free RAM than pure PocketPC.

About WM 6, well, HTML for emails is only supported for Exchange mail as far as I know. I'm not seeing any HTML on my HTC Touch. But if you want/need it, it's much better to use QMail; anyway QMail it's so much better that I no longer use Messaging.

[seraphaxg]

Lol - "A theatre in your packet" - I hope they've put more quality assurance into the device than they have into proof reading the adverts for it

[thierryb]

Hi Hagow,

1) I live in New Zealand and we have a similiar GSM, I have no problems with reception.
2) I am very happy with the Flame, wish we had an WM6 upgrade though so that bluetooth can get sorted out and push email for hotmail. I've had the Atom before...what a piece of crap.
3) Phone quality is ok, although callers complain that the Flame rings (on their side) for while before I hear it.
4) Battery life is ok, I have it charged it all the time, like I had with my previous Dell.

For me the biggest problem with all my other Pocket PC's and Pocket PC phones was RAM, I always seem to run out of it. Not with the Flame
I confirm. except for point 1, I live in France.

[thierryb]

Wow...5
I'll give it an 8, bearing in mind my previous device was terrible.
My loox 720 already had 10. Just missed a phone. The Flame as apda only have a 11, and 12 adding the phone.

Yes Flame have issues, they are small, and more or less the same as all WM devices.

Yes I would appreciate wm6, or even a hack to install the broadcorm bluetooth stadc (the only point where the loox is better than the flame).

[JamesManios]

Performance Setting:

Have you ever noticed that sometimes (usually on a reset) the flame will put itself back onto Automatic for CPU power as opposed to staying on Performance. Is it not on every reset but every once in a while when the device feels a little sluggish, if you check sure enough its back on Auto.

Anyone know where to control that in registry, (so that we can set the registry value on the reset).

I don't really think its going to matter cause I'm probably going to overclock it, (or at least have it clocked to its 524 limit using something like PHM), just more wondering if the issue is consistent with other people.

Speaking of PHM, (I know I've asked before) but is anyone overclocking, getting any good numbers, wanna pass along some L,N,M numbers?

[djuri]

what abbout these batteries?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/2000mAh-Replacment-Li-ion-Battery-Cell-for-O2-XDA-Flame_W0QQitemZ190130489783QQihZ009QQcategoryZ1307 88QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://www.gpsforless.co.uk/product_details.php?id=8249

[JamesManios]

what abbout these batteries?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/2000mAh-Replacment-Li-ion-Battery-Cell-for-O2-XDA-Flame_W0QQitemZ190130489783QQihZ009QQcategoryZ1307 88QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://www.gpsforless.co.uk/product_details.php?id=8249

That ebay one looks very interesting... unfortunately it does not say anywhere that its the original size, (in fact they mention a "Plastic battery carrying pack included" so I think it might be an oversized battery) but if it was stock size that would be very tempting!

[djuri]

I've asked the seller for size..I'll post his answer here

[Tuningszocske]

I've asked the seller for size..I'll post his answer here
Although we dodn't have your answer, I saw this 2000mAh battery on another site, and there was written that it is the origial size. But don't think that a battery which is not originally made with a few % more power will help you. I'm totally sure that if You buy it, you have maximum 5% more the using time.

About the other alternative (2200mAh) it does not worth the money with 35% more capacity, as you have to place the back-cover into a new ugly, plastic look one with bigger size. I had an extended battery like this to my old QTEK9000, but it was double capacity (3300mAh) which worthed that ugly back-cover.

[Tuningszocske]

Why don't You all who love this topic give a rate on the above menu?

[djuri]

Although we dodn't have your answer, I saw this 2000mAh battery on another site, and there was written that it is the origial size. But don't think that a battery which is not originally made with a few % more power will help you. I'm totally sure that if You buy it, you have maximum 5% more the using time.

About the other alternative (2200mAh) it does not worth the money with 35% more capacity, as you have to place the back-cover into a new ugly, plastic look one with bigger size. I had an extended battery like this to my old QTEK9000, but it was double capacity (3300mAh) which worthed that ugly back-cover.

It's original size..I know that it won't have much bigger capacity than original one but I'd like to use it as a spare battery, not to replace original..

[keeekeee]

I put my flame into my pocket without any cases. and it hangs which the green light stay on. it happen three times while i take out my phone to make call only realized it. any of u encounter it? I had to soft reset it. Wondering it is overheat? or the button was pressed for too long??


I am really tired of the bluetooth problem and above problem mention.... I am thinking whether i shd give my flame up and get something else. Bought it because the VGA and internal memory .... MAN I wish HTC would come out something like o2 Flame :(

[igalan]

I've not had this problem, but it occasionaly freezes when I turn it on and back off very quickly, before it has time to activate backlight.

[jags1]

I put my flame into my pocket without any cases. and it hangs which the green light stay on. it happen three times while i take out my phone to make call only realized it. any of u encounter it? I had to soft reset it. Wondering it is overheat? or the button was pressed for too long??


I am really tired of the bluetooth problem and above problem mention.... I am thinking whether i shd give my flame up and get something else. Bought it because the VGA and internal memory .... MAN I wish HTC would come out something like o2 Flame :(

exactly, i got flame because of vga and internal memory,i am thinking to switch back to htc but have to pick something really good i guess.htc omni coming out in couple months,i got my eye on that one.

[JamesManios]

crash: I'm only going on 2 days for this theory, but I noticed my device would crash all the time while it was off, (about 4-5 times per work-day) until I turned OFF wifi. Its been 2 days now and not 1 crash. 2 days though is not really a long enough test but I would ask (for the people with crashes) do you have your wifi on?

My 2nd test will be this... I don't think it crashed until I turned PowerManagement ON for WIFI. I think at the start of having the device I had it on WIFI Performance but wanted to see if there was a battery drain and flipped it to power management, it was around that time that the crashes started.

This is kinda why I gave it a 5/10 ... like many of us, I think if HTC had build this phone it would not be so problematic, but its not a bad phone, it just needs some 'special' attention :-P

[igalan]

I also set WiFi on Power Save, but I turn off WiFi when I'm done, seldom do I leave it turned on when I switch off the PDA. But I will pay more attention to this. Incidentally my F-S Loox N560 also has this same problem.

I wouldn't praise HTC too much. My old Qtek 9100 with the shipped ROM was buggier than the Flame, way buggier. You couldn't sinc with AS two times in a row without having to softreset in between; thanks to XDA-Developers lately it was fast and stable with WM6... The F-S Loox 720 was a very solid device, although ROMs weren't made by HTC, only the PDA itself. But that's another discussion.

Anyway I belive that we're going to have a WM 6 ROM, maybe later than expected. But the Flame will be in trouble if in the next two months isn't getting a new ROM. And I don't think O2 wants this for their top of the line PocketPC Phone Edition.

[jags1]

we are so many people here bought this expensive device, what should we do that will make O2 think yes they need to bring a proper update for flame?should we email them everyday or start a petition?
whatever is flame right now,not more than a usual phone and bit of pda to me,i thought it was great but no most of its cool things are full of troubles so i am not using anything other than a phone/alarm/appointments, any 50 bucks crapy phone has these features too,why did i spend $1200+ and got this flame with full of feature as mentioned theater in my pocket? lol
ye you think i am upset,why ? because the way they advertised and gave wm6 hope etc and now you email them they say don't wait for anything we not sure what we doing right now. why am i asking for wm6 becuase it has very very less issues compare to current wm5 we using,this upgrade didn't happen for nothing,it had purpose behind it so we either need wm6 or atleast a upgrade soon with major issues solved.
am i asking too much here?

[JamesManios]

I tried out some OC using PHM v4.08.023

Stock (performance) speed and settings are: 520Mhz Bus:208, Mem:104, LCD:104, L=16, N=5, A=1, LCD=0, T=1, FB=1 -> SI=415,MIPS=335, Mem=494
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624Mhz Bus:208, Mem:104, LCD:104, L=16, N=6, A=1, LCD=1, T=1, FB=1 -> SI=456,MIPS=400, Mem=512 -> passed the PHM benchmark but crashed in TCPMP benchmark Status = FAILED
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553Mhz Bus:221, Mem:111, LCD:55.25, L=17, N=5, A=1, LCD=1, T=1, FB=1 -> SI=441,MIPS=356, Mem=525 -> passed the PHM benchmark passed TCPMP benchmark Status = WORKING
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618Mhz Bus:247, Mem:124, LCD:62, L=19, N=5, A=1, LCD=1, T=1, FB=1 -> SI=488,MIPS=398, Mem=578 -> passed the PHM benchmark, crashed TCPMP benchmark Status = FAILED
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585Mhz Bus:234, Mem:117, LCD:62, L=18, N=5, A=1, LCD=1, T=1, FB=1 -> SI=462,MIPS=376, Mem=548 -> passed the PHM benchmark, passed TCPMP benchmark Status = WORKING
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Speed of 624, 650, 682 crashed PHM right away so I stopped going higher then 585 for my device it seems to be the stable limit, but as you all know, not all components are created equal, you might have more success then me.

I'm currently running at 585 will run it for a couple of days and tell you whats what...

[djuri]

anyone who bought flame at anythingonline?

[shaileshashar]

Anybody tried wm5torage on flame? does'nt seem to work.
Also anybody tried OzVGA/TrueVGA ?

[Hagow]

Wow, all these complaints I am really starting to think that i have made the wrong decision. You guys are really sacring me. Please tell me something good....