no wm6 for ameo (ever?)

[imaginarynumber]

hi all

just received an email from t-mobile uk saying that have no plans to release the wm6 rom. Does this mean were are cursed or will we be able to use the HTC version when it comes out. is it just a case of losing branding and the cab files with the gprs settings etc???

cheers

[neildunne]

Yeah i know, i got the same reply by email at weekend. you think that with the unit being so high spec that they would want to upgrade to WM6 for customer satisfaction

[findus]

Disgraceful! Let's hope someone cracks the CID protection soon so we can use the HTC ROM when it is released!

[anilk]

Not good news. Let's all sign a petition and get it over to T-Mobile.

-Krip

[johnwalk]

yea, not happy about this at all, been with t-mobile for 8 years now, theyve had a shit load of money off of me. let me know if you start a petition

[RichardKAthena]

Since WM6 isn't an upgrade for any Advantage yet, is it really likely their emaildrone is going to know about it really?

Yes, we should petition them. But in context. "When WM6 is shipping on the Advantage please make it available for Ameo"

[tomchap]

I second that, we need to make sure they know how not realising an operating system upgrade as big as WM6 would nark us Ameo owners off. (to put it nicely!) :)

[mackaby007]

Sorry guys I'm in disagreement with you on this one. I agree that a device as new and feature rich as the Ameo should definitely come with WM6, but it was never promised or even mentioned to the best of my recollection prior to and after the Ameo was released. Therefore we all knew what we were getting before we shelled out, even though we all held out hope that an official T-mobile WM6 upgrade would be available.

I'm quite happy to wait until CID unlocking has been cracked and an official WM6 ROM is available for the Dopod or Advantage version.

Let's face it people, we'll get there in the end anyway, wether they want us too or not.;)

[neildunne]

CID is already available through imei-check, but they cant do it over-the-air. I emailed them about CID/SIM unlocking and this is their reply.....

Hello,
>>we can unlock it, but remote is not possible right now. If you want you can send the device to us for unlock. Special delivery is ok. The unlock is 20 GBP + 7 gbp to ship it back to you. Please send it to:
MIGsofT LTD FAO:Florin Mandache 19 Cowan Road Balloch Glasgow G68 9BX. Send just the handset + battery. >Regards, > >IMEI-CHECK Team >

I was very unsure sending the unit and needed reassurance so i replied.....

Thanks for your reply, but could you supply me with a contact number(landline) to help keep track of my unit, and so i can make payment by card. Your website doesn't contain any contact info which makes me a little uneasy.

And this is the reply i got back.....

Hello,
You can call me on my mobile : +44795*******.
The payment it will be done via paypal or direct bank deposit after we received the device and we unlocked it.

As you might guess, i'm still wary of sending it off so i guess i'll sit and wait until another option is available.

[neildunne]

i was checking via STREETMAP, the postcode for imei-check (look at my post above) and i found this........http://www.myhouseprice.com/HousePrices/search.cfm?datetype=none&txtcountry=Eng&SEARCHOPTION=town&txttown=BALLOCH&txtstreet=&timeframe=1&timeframemonth=99&timeframeyear=99

CHECK THE FIFTH HOUSE DOWN THE LIST! Its the same address and postcode for IMEI-CHECK, and it went up for sale on 23/03/07. Now i definately aint sending my unit through the post, to dodgy!

[RichardKAthena]

Please send it to:
MIGsofT LTD FAO:Florin Mandache 19 Cowan Road Balloch Glasgow G68 9BX.

Excellent! I'm just down the road (for a certain value of "down the road", being a two hour drive but one I do frequently) from them.

Wonder if they'll do it whilst I wait :)

Richard

[wu5262]

Sorry guys I'm in disagreement with you on this one. I agree that a device as new and feature rich as the Ameo should definitely come with WM6, but it was never promised or even mentioned to the best of my recollection prior to and after the Ameo was released. Therefore we all knew what we were getting before we shelled out, even though we all held out hope that an official T-mobile WM6 upgrade would be available.

I'm quite happy to wait until CID unlocking has been cracked and an official WM6 ROM is available for the Dopod or Advantage version.

Let's face it people, we'll get there in the end anyway, wether they want us too or not.;)

i agree with you here, T-mobile has never promise WM6 update, so if they decide not to offer it, it's no problem, you just need the CID tool, and you can install the DOPOD or HTC one.

[imaginarynumber]

Whilst i accept that we were never promised an upgrade i consider that most of the Ameo owners believed that an upgrade would be in the pipe line.

By using unauthorised upgrade methods are we not invalidating our warranties and risking the chance of removal of technical support from t-mobile?

Perhaps there are associated overhead costs for T-mobile with regard to supporting another operating system but there are already phones in their range that use wm6. We are not asking them to support *nix.

I rang t-mobile last week regarding a phone problem last week (unable to make/receive calls). i was told that nobody on their thd had an Ameo manual (in the end the problem was 3g network related rather than a fault with the phone).

To date T-mobile have no publicly available rom versions (at all) which leads me to think that they are not yet up to speed wrt support for this unit anyway.

I have been a T-mobile customer for 10 years and have been out of contract for the last 3 until selling my soul for 18 months to get this Ameo. T-mobile cannot provide me adequate support at the moment and HTC will not because it is not their phone.

At a minimum i cannot see why we can not be offered this upgrade as a gesture of goodwill.

If it is a question of HTC (or microsoft) charging too much for the upgrade then perhaps they should consider how few units would have been sold without the t-mobile branding/subsidy.

i for one would be happy to petition T-mobile and will put my money where my mouth is later this weekend and start a site for the petition.

[Slave1]

Lips tightly zipped.

But don't worry.

That's all I'm saying.

[apphoen]

Lips tightly zipped.

But don't worry.

That's all I'm saying.

That'll do then. Thanks.

[wu5262]

Whilst i accept that we were never promised an upgrade i consider that most of the Ameo owners believed that an upgrade would be in the pipe line.

By using unauthorised upgrade methods are we not invalidating our warranties and risking the chance of removal of technical support from t-mobile?

Perhaps there are associated overhead costs for T-mobile with regard to supporting another operating system but there are already phones in their range that use wm6. We are not asking them to support *nix.

I rang t-mobile last week regarding a phone problem last week (unable to make/receive calls). i was told that nobody on their thd had an Ameo manual (in the end the problem was 3g network related rather than a fault with the phone).

To date T-mobile have no publicly available rom versions (at all) which leads me to think that they are not yet up to speed wrt support for this unit anyway.

I have been a T-mobile customer for 10 years and have been out of contract for the last 3 until selling my soul for 18 months to get this Ameo. T-mobile cannot provide me adequate support at the moment and HTC will not because it is not their phone.

At a minimum i cannot see why we can not be offered this upgrade as a gesture of goodwill.

If it is a question of HTC (or microsoft) charging too much for the upgrade then perhaps they should consider how few units would have been sold without the t-mobile branding/subsidy.

i for one would be happy to petition T-mobile and will put my money where my mouth is later this weekend and start a site for the petition.

If everyone thinks the same with you, then all T-mobile PDA user will be asking wm6 update (T-mobile MDA,MDA PRO.....). The things is it cost nothing to buy the upgrade, Microsft does not charge anything for it, but in order to publish the update, service provider will needs to run testing on it to make sure it's stable, it's nothing to do with HTC here as well, HTC offer the basic ROM, then T-mobile will needs to finish it, so it will takes them a while to make it stable, this is where you see the advantage of each different ROM, they are not all done by HTC, they are done by the service provider. And when you say WM6 device is already available on T-mobile, which one are you talking about? i don't seems to remember any of them.

Another important issue, you are going to see less and less HTC product on T-mobile, and any other provider too, HTC is now changing their company structure, they are trying to be like Nokia, so you won't see T-mobile mark or branding on HTC device in the future. So you already notice, T-mobile is the only one selling HTC advantage in UK, and it could be the last one, (or the very last few). In the future, you will see only HTC brand. So because of this, T-mobile has a very good reason not to be bother with WM6 update, i believe they are due to the end of the contract with HTC, and really, i don't think T-mobile care too much about Ameo, you don't see it advertise anywhere....

The bottom line is, even T-mobile release official WM6 update, i don't think it's going to be as stable as the DOPOD one or HTC one, they are already in the testing stage, and beta version will be release for tester next month. So all we need is the CID unlock, then you can choose the best ROM to upgrade.

[imaginarynumber]

Owners of the dash have been offered upgrades to wm6

And i go back to my point about not being offered support (understandably) for unauthorised upgrades. Surely if you know that the majority of owners of a particular phone are going to follow this path (ie unofficial upgrades) it will be cheaper (in the long run) to aid them and ensure that they have a phone that works. Otherwise you also run the risk of them blaming the network when it is in fact their phone that is not working.

With regard to your assertion that "t-mobile don't care about the ameo" the argument doesn't hold much water as it would imply that they don't care much about their customers- hence we return to the crux of this thread.

I cannot go out and buy a copy of wm6 and install it myself. if i purchased a copy of vista and discovered that it would not be possible to legitimately upgrade (purchase) to it's replacement (bar hardware issues) i would not purchase vista. It is now a given with phones of this form that we expect software/os improvements to compliment the hardware.

not every one is aware of these types of forums and would benefit from the upgrades and the ensuing improvements. It is through T-mobile that awareness would be increased (with the greatest respect to this site).

I do not doubt that you are more savy than me but if that implies an "i'm alright Jack" mentality then I personally prefer to be ignorant (it is after all blissful)

When sms was rolled out did you sit there and say "oh i don't expect to be able to use that because I signed up when vox was the only option"- i think not.

[wu5262]

Owners of the dash have been offered upgrades to wm6

And i go back to my point about not being offered support (understandably) for unauthorised upgrades. Surely if you know that the majority of owners of a particular phone are going to follow this path (ie unofficial upgrades) it will be cheaper (in the long run) to aid them and ensure that they have a phone that works. Otherwise you also run the risk of them blaming the network when it is in fact their phone that is not working.

With regard to your assertion that "t-mobile don't care about the ameo" the argument doesn't hold much water as it would imply that they don't care much about their customers- hence we return to the crux of this thread.

I cannot go out and buy a copy of wm6 and install it myself. if i purchased a copy of vista and discovered that it would not be possible to legitimately upgrade (purchase) to it's replacement (bar hardware issues) i would not purchase vista. It is now a given with phones of this form that we expect software/os improvements to compliment the hardware.

not every one is aware of these types of forums and would benefit from the upgrades and the ensuing improvements. It is through T-mobile that awareness would be increased (with the greatest respect to this site).

I do not doubt that you are more savy than me but if that implies an "i'm alright Jack" mentality then I personally prefer to be ignorant (it is after all blissful)

When sms was rolled out did you sit there and say "oh i don't expect to be able to use that because I signed up when vox was the only option"- i think not.

i understand your point there, but if you stand at the T-mobile side and think about it, then maybe you will understand if they decide not to offer wm6 update. It cost them time and money to release, it's pruely a bonus for T-mobile customer if they offer it. So do you think T-mobile MDA PRO should be offer WM6 as well? since it's the second most expensive PDA that T-mobile offer.

Anyway, what i am saying here is we are not suppose to flash un-official ROM, it has already bought this site trouble. I know lots of people (including me still do it anyway). I guess time will tell whether T-mobile will lunch WM6 update or not, but if they decide not to, don't be surprise, they have perfectly good reason for it.

[imaginarynumber]

Sorry WU

this was not intended to be a snipe at you but i believe in fair play and think that you are wrong.

with regard to a petition i will hold off given that Slave1 seems to know something and others respect his opinion, unless i am convinced otherwise:)

[wu5262]

Sorry WU

this was not intended to be a snipe at you but i believe in fair play and think that you are wrong.

with regard to a petition i will hold off given that Slave1 seems to know something and others respect his opinion, unless i am convinced otherwise:)

let's all hope the upgrade will comes out from T-mobile, yes you are right, i don't know about T-mobile, and i have no contact inside this company too, all I know is when i went to the 3GSM this year, they did say something about the WM6 update but they are not sure which machine to offer by that time.

So hopefully they will release it, if not, we just need to hope a CID tools then all Ameo user can then flash HTC, DOPOD rom.

[mackaby007]

@ imaginarynumber & Wu:
If only all of us on the planet could agree/disagree as diplomatically and respectfully as you two just have, this world would be a better place. I salute you both. Nice bit of community spirit there. :)

On the WM6 ROM upgrade thing....I agree we should be entitled on the sole basis that we have the latest cutting edge device of its kind, but also agree that T-Mobile don't have to provide it.

Let's just be thankful that there are those who devote a great deal of their valuable time in creating CID unlockers and the likes, which gives us greater freedom to do with our devices what we want.

T-Mobile support has always been less than satisfactory in my experience, but I do believe it will be to their loss ultimately. Those companies that take their customers seriously in offering timely updates and upgrades aswell as good technical support will be/remain market leaders.....and rightly so IMHO.

[adhoc]

Hello everybody. just to tell you that i had a SFR V1605 (equivalent to Q9000) unlocked by those guys and that i had the pleasure of meeting florin and his associate at schiphol, amsterdam airport. What happened was that they had asked me to send over to them my pda. i was, like you are today it reluctant to do so, .

When i raised the question with them they said that they could do it on the spot if i was to meet with them somewhere in Amsterdam as they were traveling there on a said weekend. I took the tgv from France and they worked on my device at an aiport cofeeshop; They first read all memory and rom registries of the machine and after roughly 20 minutes, or so, they gave me the unlock code for me to type on the machine's keyboard;;;and voilà it worked.

So either you ask them where you could meet them, travel to somewhere in europe , depending on their trip schedule, or to Glasgow,or you trust them and send over to them by insured registered mail the pda and they process it almost immediately and send it back to you asap, 90% chance on the same day, also by registered and insured mail.

They are no crooks, i can tell you, but very decent people.

I hope this helps.

Arnaud (adhoc)

Hello,
You can call me on my mobile : +44795*******.
The payment it will be done via paypal or direct bank deposit after we received the device and we unlocked it.

As you might guess, i'm still wary of sending it off so i guess i'll sit and wait until another option is available.[/QUOTE]

[Kainam]

Hi,

I updated my AMEO (Dutch). First unlocked it and then installed the HTC WM6 for X7500/X7501. Seems to work. Had some trouble unlocking but the wiki told me what to do.

By the way, WM6 is nice but it does not realy solve the most important problems I have with the Ameo.

Speed for instance. The Ameo is still one slow mother.

[Confucious]

PK Black touch ROM is fast.

[Kainam]

Yeah, I tried that. It's not the OS speed that troubles me. It's the speed of applications and games. For example, I realy like SPB Brain trainer game (no, not a commercial). It's a simple game with no 3D or alphablending. It runs great on my MDA (HTC Wizzard) but it lacks on my Ameo. The screenupdate is slow and the sound lacks.

However, I think I'll start a new thread on the issue. :)

[leoni1980]

I'm mixed in my opinions on the touch ROM. It's clearly had a lot of work put into it, it looks cool and it's got some great apps built in, but a few niggling bugs spoil it for me - battery issues, windows media player crashes the system when you load it and after a certain amount of time using PIE it simply refuses to work properly and needs restarting.

In all honest if it wasn't for Fingertouch I would have changed back to the stock HTC ROM. For now I'll just wait for the update - sure PK will iron out the faults.

[spacecat]

after a certain amount of time using PIE it simply refuses to work properly and needs restarting.

.

you hit the NAIL on the head i think im gonna go back as PIE is always messing up for me, i wondered why