3G no go - Cingular/ATT 8525 on Telstra In Australia

[cliffelam]

I was happily using my shipped Cingular ROM here in Australia on a Telstra SIM.

So of course I had to try to upgrade to the new ROM. :-(

Now I CANNOT get the telsra.wap configured to make a 3G connection.

I put the Cingular/ATT SIM card back in and the 3G connected just fine (slow, as usual :-) so the phone is physically working.

I checked the Wiki/FAQ's and there are no cabs for setting the communications stuff for Oz/Telstra.

Can anyone help? I am at wits freaking end - mostly because this is a self inflicted wound.

I am ready to pay in cookies or cash!

I have provided the setup instructions from Telstra below - they all seemed to work fine. The WAP proxy has a hard coded Port=9201 in it, and there is a hard-coded apac-nc02;1080 in the Socks.

I have NOT deleted the Cingular/ATT supplied MediaNet.

When I connect through Telstra Internet the connection seems to get made (it does not return an error) but no web pages are available. I have not tried other internet connections.

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Setting up the data account
1. On the handset, tap on Start and then Settings.
2. Tap on the Connections tab.
3. Tap on the Connections icon.
4. Tap on the Advanced tab.
5. Tap on Select Networks.
6. Under the first drop down box, tap on New…
7. In the Enter a name for these settings: field, enter Telstra Internet
8. Tap on the Modem tab.
9. Tap on New…
10. In the Enter a name for the connection: field, enter Telstra Internet
Tap on the Select a modem drop-down list and select Cellular Line
(GPRS).
11.
12. Tap on Next.
13. In the Access point name: field, enter telstra.wap
14. Tap on Next.
15. In the User name: field, enter
16. In the Password: field, enter
17. Tap on Finish.
18. Tap on the Proxy Settings tab.
19. Select the This network connects to the Internet option.
Select the This network uses a proxy sever to connect to the
Internet option.
20.
21. Tap on Advanced…
22. Under WAP, in the Server field, enter 10.1.1.181
23. Tap on ok four times.
24. Tap on x to close the Settings screen.

[mrvanx]

Im pretty sure its got something to do with Telstra using NextG???? (or something to that effect).......i think i read that they use UMTS850....not 800 but there is a way to fix it......il raise the issue in IRC and see what happens.

EDIT:: try this

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1273423&postcount=2

[cliffelam]

Holy MOG.

I think I followed that (I was technical back in the PDP/8 days....) - what are the odds of bricking my phone doing that?

I get that I need a registry editor (can find that again in the FAQ's) but what is this extended ROM stuff?

Thanks!

[st3v3]

err ok telstra isnt running proper 3G yet, its a slightly modified CDMA 2. thats why they could get the network running faster than they first announced.

proper 3G wont be available till the end of the year, as far as the public is concerned though its running now although technically speaking its more like 2.75G

that might have something to do with it ?

[cliffelam]

What I find confusing was that on my previous ROM with the Telstra SIM I got the "U" for UTMS and got pretty darn fast action. (In Brisbane, if that matters.)

Now I can put in my AT&T SIM and get ok-ish speed with a "G", but since I never tried my AT&T SIM before I can't say if that is better/worse/same.

And when I put in my Telstra SIM I get the "3G" but since I don't have data yet I can't say what the xmit speed is like.

I've downloaded the regedit thing and will take a whack at that.

This must be how my parents feel when they get .dll problems on their windows box.

[cliffelam]

Ok, so I did the suggested registry edits, double checked them, put down my scotch (kidding, it's 11am here!), and tried the internet again.

I still get the "3G" logo with the <-/-> arrows but after it says connecting it comes back with a IE error: The page yo uare looking for cannot be found due to unknown error 0x80088000.

Argh.

Thoughts?

[st3v3]

i got standard rom on my hermes on the Australian Telstra network (woot staff rates) i dont get the 3G icon or logo either just the U (Telstra UTMS)

[RandomDude]

err ok telstra isnt running proper 3G yet, its a slightly modified CDMA 2. thats why they could get the network running faster than they first announced.
that might have something to do with it ?

How do you come to this conclusion? Simply because its not being run on 2100Mhz?

[maskslash]

I am also stuck with this same problem on 3. My network is always "U" never anything different. Does UTMS mean G and UTMS 3 mean 3G?

noobish i know but my old phone said 3 plain and simple...

[cliffelam]

Ok, I got the internet working - cannot tell if it is faster/slower than before I flashed the ROM - probably I am just too darn relieved to have it working again at all!

I'll do a hard reset and verify that these are the settings (did not have to do the hack on the registry!). They do differ from Telstra's reccy's. Of course.

Thanks again to everyone who tried to help!

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Setting up the data account
1. On the handset, tap on Start and then Settings.
2. Tap on the Connections tab.
3. Tap on the Connections icon.
4. Tap on the Advanced tab.
5. Tap on Select Networks.
6. Under the first drop down box, tap on New…
7. In the Enter a name for these settings: field, enter Telstra Internet
8. Tap on the Modem tab.
9. Tap on New…
10. In the Enter a name for the connection: field, enter Telstra Internet
11.Tap on the Select a modem drop-down list and select Cellular Line
(GPRS, 3G).
12. Tap on Next.
13. In the Access point name: field, enter telstra.wap
14. Tap on Next.
15. In the User name: field, enter (no -leave blank)
16. In the Password: field, enter (no -leave blank)
17. Tap on Finish.
18. Tap on the Proxy Settings tab.
19. Select the This network connects to the Internet option.
20. Select the This network uses a proxy sever to connect to the
Internet option. Set the proxy server to 1.1.181:80 -> may change to apac-nc02 after use)
21. Tap on Advanced…
22. Under WAP, in the Server field, enter 10.1.1.150, port = 9201
23 Under Secure WAP in the Server field, enter 10.1.1.150, port=9203
24. Under Socks in the server field enter 1.1.1.150, port=1080 (may change to apac-nc02 after use)
25. Under Http in the server field enter 1.1.1.150, port=80 (may change to apac-nc02:80 after use)
26. Tap on ok two times to get back to Network Management.
27. Tap on x to close the Settings screen.
28. Set the dropdowns for both to "Telstra Interent"
30. Tap ok twice to get back to Settings.

[st3v3]

How do you come to this conclusion? Simply because its not being run on 2100Mhz?

ive read the project plans, if you want more confirmation do a search on whirlpool.com.au forums its talked about there too.

[RandomDude]

ive read the project plans, if you want more confirmation do a search on whirlpool.com.au forums its talked about there too.

Could you be more specific in your claims? How do you claim to read these project plans and then not be able to tell me how you know its not 'real 3G'.

For your information, Telstra has already been running a seperate CDMA2000 network on the 800Mhz spectrum since Dec 2002. CDMA2000 is considered a '3G' network if it has EVDO.

Telstra's NextG network (completely seperate to the CDMA) is a TRUE UMTS service running on the 850Mhz spectrum. The network theoretically supports 14.4Mpbs, but 3.6Mbps and 1.2Mbps have actually been achieved by users. These speeds alone classify the network as a 3G service.

Check the facts before you define NextG as a modified cdma 2/cdma 2000 or "2.75G" :).

[st3v3]

gee sorry i only work for them and all yet you seem to know what you are talking about,

i dont care either way being on staff plans rocks when you get free data every month and pay bugger all for the phone.

[RandomDude]

Look, mate, its obvious you don't have any technical knowledge...

... and since when do Sensis market analysts get hold of project build documents?

;)

[fadge]

Hi all, been down the same road with 3g Telstra.
There is a fix to set up all settings etc fairly easy when flashing with wm6.
1. do your flash...
2. need to edit the bands to allow our phone to use Telstra's frequencys
(see below)
3. run Telstra's own setup cab that they use in the original imate ext_rom
4. just go into settings/phone/band...select "auto" on network type
select "GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(850)"
thats about it
Works for me everytime I've flashed, get wap when its out of range for 3g and get telstra internet 3g every other time
E=Edge average, 3g=Umts=H on connections
notes:
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2. Telstra "odd" bands (must do some reg exports for next time, and to share), use a reg editor like resco's etc
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(taken from XDA site) if anyone else needs them, This Registry patch works for the Hermes.

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\OEM\PhoneSetting\BandT ype]
"ItemCount"=dword:00000006
"ItemName1"="Auto"
"ItemName2"="GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(2100)"
"ItemName3"="GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)"
"ItemName4"="UMTS(2100+800)"
"ItemName5"="GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(2100+850)"
"ItemName6"="GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(850)"
"ItemValue1"=dword:00000000
"ItemValue2"=dword:00000001
"ItemValue3"=dword:00000002
"ItemValue4"=dword:00000003
"ItemValue5"=dword:00000004
"ItemValue6"=dword:00000005

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\OEM\UMTS\BandSelection]
"Band"=dword:00000005

You really just need to add ItemName5 and 6, and ItemValue5 and 6, and change the ItemCount from 4 to 6 (as you added two options) using your favorite Registry Editor.

Do a soft reboot of the phone. Now you can select the NextG option GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(850)
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3. copy the telstra cab onto your phone then run, this sets up the Telstra Wap and Teletra Internet connection, as well as the proxy manager.
It does load some other junk onto the system like telstra bussiness etc , but this is easy to delete or move to another start menu group.

sometimes when setting up email accounts and such you may have to fiddle with the programmes "connect with " network setting and point it to :telstra internet or as in my case use "work" connection.

hope this helps

Fadge
yep on that "staff plan", data usage is a killer, and $8 for 3mb is useless for a phone that can do so much...thats my whinge for the day...

[hahalol]

Look, mate, its obvious you don't have any technical knowledge...

... and since when do Sensis market analysts get hold of project build documents?

;)

Tooshay salesman!!!

[st3v3]

Look, mate, its obvious you don't have any technical knowledge...

... and since when do Sensis market analysts get hold of project build documents?

;)

since the telstra intranet contains all the project plans you moron for the current projects in operation you dolt as if you would even have a clue what does and what doesnt go on within the company, or indeed what even occurs within a telco.

while we are on the topic of your stupidity its interesting to find some of your lame assed posts (apparently only 11 of them in total) many of which offer such an example of your wide and diverse use for your technical skills (bwaha ha ha ha)

[RandomDude]

since the telstra intranet contains all the project plans you moron for the current projects in operation you dolt as if you would even have a clue what does and what doesnt go on within the company, or indeed what even occurs within a telco.

while we are on the topic of your stupidity its interesting to find some of your lame assed posts (apparently only 11 of them in total) many of which offer such an example of your wide and diverse use for your technical skills (bwaha ha ha ha)

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1214980#post1214980

So this post doesn't make you think that perhaps i do have more knowledge about the NextG network than you assume?

Its obvious you have no clue about the network. You are yet to back up your claims of the network being 'not real 3G' and a 'highly modified cdma 2' - despite the fact you have read the so called 'project plans'.

And yet you tell me to go to www.whirlpool.com.au (such a reliable source of network build information! *sarcasm*) to prove yourself right.

So i'm still waiting to see how you can make such claims...

[hahalol]

since the telstra intranet contains all the project plans you moron for the current projects in operation you dolt as if you would even have a clue what does and what doesnt go on within the company, or indeed what even occurs within a telco.

while we are on the topic of your stupidity its interesting to find some of your lame assed posts (apparently only 11 of them in total) many of which offer such an example of your wide and diverse use for your technical skills (bwaha ha ha ha)

I too work for telstra perhaps if you pm'ed me the details of where these plans are i can check them out and shed some light on the situation

[st3v3]

I too work for telstra perhaps if you pm'ed me the details of where these plans are i can check them out and shed some light on the situation

sure once you pm me your telstra id number. remember the 2 and 3 digit substitution rule for C and D char cases.

[st3v3]

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1214980#post1214980

So this post doesn't make you think that perhaps i do have more knowledge about the NextG network than you assume?

Its obvious you have no clue about the network. You are yet to back up your claims of the network being 'not real 3G' and a 'highly modified cdma 2' - despite the fact you have read the so called 'project plans'.

And yet you tell me to go to www.whirlpool.com.au (such a reliable source of network build information! *sarcasm*) to prove yourself right.

So i'm still waiting to see how you can make such claims...

and im still waiting for you to step infront of my car (wishfull thinking) watch how fast i stop, then again during my holidays ive hit enough bugs during my travels.

[RandomDude]

and im still waiting for you to step infront of my car (wishfull thinking) watch how fast i stop, then again during my holidays ive hit enough bugs during my travels.

Maybe I should shut you up by letting Ms Christie know how you're violating corporate security rules. Stop now before you regret it.

[st3v3]

found that on google huh?

well good luck with that