Just got my Iphone....

[phamoui]

great success! Supports Exchange!!! but no Push mail yet...

[Pyrofer]

Well done, let me be the first to offer my condolences....

Ill just stick with my Athena thanks. Seriously though, is it actualy any good?

[rodete]

i want one!!

[hiimcliff]

great success! Supports Exchange!!! but no Push mail yet...

two months from now, when the shinny'ness wares off, you'll miss your pocket pc/smartphone

[cdfink08]

to hiimclif:

My brother bought an iphone today and was previously using a cingular 8125 and the iphone is so far above the technology of anything i have ever used. Don't get me wrong im sure its not a good comparison of the two phones. But within just the 10 minutes i was able to play with it i truely found it to be far supperior to any current ppc/smartphone. The design and layout is so much more fluent then windows its rediculous. im sure your much more knowledgable about everything, but as a normal user and not a hardcore junkie about everything i would never see myself going back to my cingular 8125. And im not biased towards anything i havent owned an apple product in my life but i can truely say this is an amazing piece of technology that blows The HTCtouch and what i believe just about everything else out of the water

[Madcap180]

lol Thats cuz you had a 8125.. Get a Hermes and tell me how much you would never go back to PPC. .;)

[phamoui]

I don't have any plans to drop my Athena.

Iphone is a smartphone and that's it.

It's finn, and very fast,

Now I need to unlock, anybody?

[dy2592]

lol Thats cuz you had a 8125.. Get a Hermes and tell me how much you would never go back to PPC. .;)

Hey, can you tell me about the hermes. you are talking about the 8525 right?
Is the processor 400mhz a big difference to the 8125, 200mhz.
Is it also USB 2.0 transfer. I really hate the 8125's slow usb 1.0 transfer. Have to take my card out of the phone and use a seperate reader to transfer my moviez and songs.

[rick83]

btw, any sim unlocker avail for this iphone ?

[Madcap180]

iPhone doesn't have a SIM card.

[bapski]

Hey, can you tell me about the hermes. you are talking about the 8525 right?
Is the processor 400mhz a big difference to the 8125, 200mhz.
Is it also USB 2.0 transfer. I really hate the 8125's slow usb 1.0 transfer. Have to take my card out of the phone and use a seperate reader to transfer my moviez and songs.

try looking up wm5torage (http://www.modaco.com)

[dapzmob]

yes it does...
http://www.nytimes.com/ref/business/20070627_POGUE_GRAPHIC.html#

last I checked all GSM phones did..

[Ingvarr]

Iphone is a smartphone and that's it.


Where do you get an additional applications for it?

Where is the software development kits?

Without these things its not a smartphone.

[RichardKAthena]

iPhone doesn't have a SIM card.

Um.

I hear iPhone also eats babies, and is made with the skins of 3 day old sealpups, and supports $cientology.

Of course it has a bloody SIM card. Try looking something up before stating "facts" about it ;)

[RichardKAthena]

Where do you get an additional applications for it?

Where is the software development kits?

Without these things its not a smartphone.

Does a hell of a lot more stuff than my old dialphone does. At what point does a phone become smart? Email? Contacts? Address book you can edit? Internet access? VPN and webapps? Desktop-derived operating system?

SDK doesn't make the device a smartphone. You couldn't run anything on the UK-Market Three A925, unless Three published it - sure, you could get a Symbian SDK from somewhere for UIQ, but Three didn't make it "legal" or "easy" to get UIQ apps onto the device.

I think most people will agree the existence of an SDK doesn't not define a define as a smartphone.

I read somewhere the lack of 3G is actually due to the Qualcomm chip injunction. Wonder if there's a grain of truth in that...

[Ingvarr]

Phone becomes smart when you can develop & install native third-party applications for it, that blends unlimited functionality of personal computer into phone platform.

Otherwise its just an ordinary phone - every phone have an OS and set of default applications inside, some very rich, hovewer these are not smartphones.

Btw, there is no probs in getting devkits for UIQ. Currently the main hassle is mandatory signing, but its still not closed platform. IPhone is.

[nstefanelli]

Um.

I hear iPhone also eats babies, and is made with the skins of 3 day old sealpups, and supports $cientology.

Of course it has a bloody SIM card. Try looking something up before stating "facts" about it ;)

I think what he meant was the iPhone doesn't have a REMOVABLE SIM card. There isn't a way to access it (although I'm sure you could if you pulled the phone apart) because the battery also ISN'T removeable along with there being no back cover. This phone is just one big 'thing'.

-Nstefanelli-

HERMES IS BETTER

[Ingvarr]

I think what he meant was the iPhone doesn't have a REMOVABLE SIM card. There isn't a way to access it (although I'm sure you could if you pulled the phone apart) because the battery also ISN'T removeable along with there being no back cover. This phone is just one big 'thing'.


Umm, if its a CDMA phone, its no wonder it have no SIM card.

SIM card is GSM thing, CDMA phones do not use "cards".

[phamoui]

Ok Guys, some real facts regarding my Iphone:

-of course there is a SIM Card. (cames with a blank sim card to activate via Itunes)
-Yes it's a smartphone, Why? Because you can install and unistall widgets applications (just like Mac OS widgets)
-Do not record VIDEOS (So youtube it's only to vivew some videos) maybe next firmware update will enable the camera to record

At this moment I'm trying to hack the device and Itunes to unlock my device, Do you guy know any other forum ? maybe like iphone-developers... I will post my review at
http://www.techguru.com.br

[Ingvarr]

-Yes it's a smartphone, Why? Because you can install and unistall widgets applications (just like Mac OS widgets)


A lot of ordinary phones allow to install java applets, hovewer it does not make them smartphones.
As with iPhone widgets these are not true native applications, as they run in "sandboxed" environment and do not have the full access to phone hardware and OS features.

Apple declared already that they *maybe* will consider "opening" the iPhone and making it a true smartphone, but they said that "we will need to sort out security issues first".

[gamescan]

I think what he meant was the iPhone doesn't have a REMOVABLE SIM card. There isn't a way to access it (although I'm sure you could if you pulled the phone apart) because the battery also ISN'T removeable along with there being no back cover. This phone is just one big 'thing'.

-Nstefanelli-

HERMES IS BETTER
You can easily remove the SIM card from the iPhone. Just pop the SIM card tray and remove the SIM.

[NNagendran]

I checked out the iPhone and it does have OS X (wow, great OS with great graphics). The Multi-touch screen is one of a kind (REVOLUTIONARY, yes it is)
and some good feature implementations (Visual VoiceMail... why the heck would you want to leave the voice mails on for a long time after you have actually read them (or heard)???)

But I guess the Apple iPhone is still a baby in the mature world of smartphones and pocket pcs. I guess we have a long wait before this baby gets mature and becomes a real competition.

Let's just hope MS is coming out with a multi-touch capable OS pretty soon for a PC and Mobile Phone (http://www.microsoft.com/surface/)

[gthing]

Wow - for a bunch of phone hardware guys - it seems like almost none of you actually know anything about the iPhone. Do you actually hate it that much that you just believe any negative thing you hear about it? I heard the iPhone kills babies, and I hate Apple, so it must be true!

I have an 8525 and have been on a never ending quest to find a decent phone. I had a Palm Treo 650 before, and the 8525 is lightyears ahead of it. Microsoft has at least made changes to their OS in the last 15 years... That being said, even when I bought the 8525 I knew it wasn't what I wanted. It is designed to be used with a stylus. For the most part, it is not designed to be a one-handed device. It's annoying, ugly, BIG, heavy, and difficult to use.

That being said, it's probably the best thing available. Which is why I own one. All around, it's a pretty great phone, but still nothing close to what I want/expect out of a mobile communications/computing device.

Even Microsoft knows this - they're even now working on an interface that will make their operating system easier to use. They know that the iPhone style of interface is the future. Everyone does.

I'm not buying an iPhone. I'm not a crazy Apple fanboy. The reason I'm excited about the iPhone is that it is making everyone think about interface design for almost the first time. Phone companies have NEVER spent much developing an OS for a phone, because traditionally it's shininess sells it, not it's usability. Of course, Windows Mobile is an exception to this as is Palm OS (even though I hate to say it).

This is an exciting year for phones. Not because I'm going to run out and buy an iPhone (can't see that happening for various reasons), but because phone companies are going to be coming out with great stuff to compete - yes, even Microsoft.

To completely write of the iPhone and say that "you'll miss your hermes" or "it's not a smartphone" is completely missing the point. Yes, the 8525 can do everything and more then the iPhone - but that doesn't make it a great phone. PCs could do everything a Mac could do - but the Mac was a big deal because it did it better, faster, stronger (we can rebuild him!) and definitely with more style. The iPhone is the same - it doesn't do more, it just does everything better.

I'm a tech geek - I've used Windows since I was 6 years old - I am always buying the latest gadgets. Every time I use my 8525 it bugs the crap out of me because I have to use two hands just to look up a contact and make a call. I can't imagine how anyone could think this is the best possible interface design for a phone.

/end rant

[gthing]

Oh, and of course your can remove the sim. You use a paper clip to pop it out and can put a different one in. You don't even need to remove the battery.

[Guybrush]

would you like to try this

http://www.pcworld.com/video/id,545-page,1-bid,0/video.html

to see if it's true ? :P

[delude]

^^ Looks like they may be using an invisible shield. It wont scratch if keyed. Check out here: http://www.shieldzone.com/ There are some videos somewhere on the net so just search 'Invisible shield scratch test' or something in google.

phamoui, can I ask a bik favour of you? Can you tell me a few things about the iphone. First of all, when you are at the main menu with the icons, if you tilt the iPhone what happens? Is there a landscape menu, or does it not switch. Also, does the iPhone ever turn itself off and go to sleep, or does it just have the screensaver? (I was wondering what happened if it turned itself off, do you have to push the power button to wake it back up like the XDAs?)

Thanks!

[cokeman]

btw, any sim unlocker avail for this iphone ?

Funny...No

iPhone doesn't have a SIM card.

Yes it comes preinstalled.

[raymng]

Anybody can confirm it is Quad-band or Dual-band ??

Thanks!!
:)

[akashastrega]

per wikipedia...apparently some analysts have the following issues::

QUOTE
Analysts have made several public criticisms of the iPhone, such as:

* The iPhone's virtual keyboard has been considered its chief weakness and a risk for Apple.[68] The New York Times' David Pogue and Wall Street Journal's Walt Mossberg, who both tested the iPhone for two weeks, found learning to use it initially difficult, although eventually usable, with Pogue stating use was "frustrating" and "text entry is not the iPhone’s strong suit" but Mossberg considered the keyboard a "nonissue". Both found the typo-correcting feature of the iPhone was the key to using the virtual keyboard successfully.[34][69]
* When the user is not in a Wi-Fi hot spot, the iPhone's network connection will use AT&T's older EDGE network. Before the launch, reviewers such as David Pogue of the New York Times found that the EDGE network was "excruciatingly slow," with the iPhone taking as long as 100 seconds to download the Yahoo! home page for the first time.[34] Immediately before the launch, however, the observed speed of the network increased to almost 200kbps.[70]. This is probably due to the new "Fine EDGE" upgrades AT&T has been making to their network prior to the launch. [71]
* The rechargeable battery is non-removable, and once depleted, will need to be replaced by the manufacturer for a fee.[34]
* Analysts claim that iPhone lacks any type of firewall, which some experts claim is posing a data security risk.[72] It is not confirmed by Apple or by independent analysts that used the actual device for tests that it doesn't have a firewall. Daniel Eran writes: "Dulaney doesn't know if the iPhone has a firewall, has no reason to suggest that its installation of OS X wouldn't offer a firewall, and offers no reasons why a mobile device would need a firewall anyway." [73]
* iPhone is only available for those who subscribe to a two-year AT&T service plan [74] unless they have poor credit, in which case they can use a pre-paid plan.[75]
* There is no way to opt out of the data plan and thus people who do not want to use the iPhone's Web capability may find the fee superfluous.[76]
* iPhone cannot install full programs from anyone but Apple. [77]
* The Safari browser in iPhone supports neither Adobe Flash nor Java.[68]
* iPhone lacks a number of common handheld features,[78][79][74] including voice dialing, voice recording, instant messaging, memory card slot, GPS, MMS, A2DP (stereo bluetooth), common bluetooth file transfer, text copy and paste, video recording with the built-in camera, and support for MP3 files as ringtones.
* The iPhone’s virtual keypad won’t work when wearing gloves, which is a concern for wintertime phone calls in cold areas.[80][81]
* The iPhone cannot be added to an AT&T Business account, and any existing business account discounts cannot be applied to an iPhone AT&T account.[82]
* One report indicated that iPhone could not be added to an existing AT&T consumer account if it had been ported from Cingular at the time of the Cingular-AT&T merger.[83]
END QUOTE

**Oh yeah, I want one, and would love to spend even more money on it each month=
USD/month 59.99 79.99 99.99 119.99 169.99 219.99
Minutes 450 900 1350 2000 4000 6000
It is pretty, I'll give it that, and I have changed my theme to simulate the prettiness...beyond that though, my wiz that's almost 2 years old can do so much more than the iPhone, and costs me so much less (both in initial cost and monthly costs= $80 for 1500 anytime plus night/weekends and Tmo data)**

***To answer the above question on dual or tri or quad band=
The specifications as listed on Apple's website are:[51]

* Screen size: 8.9 cm (3.5 in)
* Screen resolution: 320×480 pixels at 160 ppi
* Input method: Multi-touch screen interface (the "Home" button is the iPhone's only physical front panel button)
* Operating System: OS X
* Storage: 4 or 8 GB Flash memory
* Quad band GSM (GSM 850, GSM 900, GSM 1800, GSM 1900)
* Wi-Fi (802.11b/802.11g), EDGE and Bluetooth 2.0 with EDR
* 2 megapixel camera
* Built-in rechargeable, non-removable battery with up to 8 hours of talk, 6 hours of internet use, 7 hours of video playback and up to 24 hours of audio playback, lasting over 250 hours on standby.[30]
* Size: 115×61×11.6 mm (4.5×2.4×0.46 in)
* Weight: 135 g (4.8 oz)
* Digital SAR (Specific Absorption Rate) of 0.974 watts per kilogram[1][2]

The central processor is manufactured by Samsung, possibly based on the S3C6400, but more likely the S3C2460***

[raymng]

But there are some rumor about that it is dual band only...

Thanks.

[Doom Tints]

To completely write of the iPhone and say that "you'll miss your hermes" or "it's not a smartphone" is completely missing the point. Yes, the 8525 can do everything and more then the iPhone - but that doesn't make it a great phone.

I'm really wondering what your point is. These sentences are the most obvious of your contradictions and nonsense.

People are allowed to be annoyed by the iPhone hype. Will the iPhone sell more than all PocketPCs put together? Probably.

This entire exchange reminds me of the Amiga community back in the 80s. Yes, the Amiga was better than everything else out there and they knew it. But where is the Amiga now?

Without marketing it doesn't matter how good the device is. Apple is all marketing. Steve Jobs learned this lesson while he watched Amiga disappear. No one involved with the PocketPC has bothered to market it as a phone, not Microsoft, not the providers, not the phone manufacturers. Yes, what we have is better than the Razr, better than the iPhone, better than all of them. But the common person has never heard of the technology, in spite of it being around for five years. And since no one knows about it, it will probably disappear in the long run.

The fact that Apple is able to sell thousands of these devices at $500 a pop and convince everyone that the device is something they've never seen before should be a wake up call.

[Ingvarr]

As for myself, I am not annoyed at all. What is to be annoyed at anyway?

I'am just trying to provide an alternative information for people, so they can make more factual decision for themselves - is the iPhone really good for them.

[ThaiM]

I was all for the iPhone before getting my TyTN. The guy at the store was who that convinced me. Thank goodness for him.

[delude]

Can my question on the other page be answered?

[AD10]

....Thats my 2 cents, Apple products usually have a longevity of 1 yr... SO be wise, and buy an extended waranty for your propriety toy.

[GilesTheAlmighty]

personally i don't care whether the iPhone is "better" than anything else, what annoys me is the people who say "the iPhones better because its the first phone with a touch screen" .... seriously it makes me want to SHOUT at them for being so ignorant and not researching anything!

yeh i agree with above statements saying about advertising, apple have got the iHype ... pun intended ... and as soon as something that the consumer wants is released (ie: a phone) everyone goes crazy because its new

all phones have a different OS, motorola, nokia, samsung etc .. so its not a plain Windows Vs Mac because EVERYONE uses windows and can't prepare for a switch, but with a phone its so easier because pictures, mp3's, phonecalls, text messages WORK on ANY phone's OS. Hence why apple will no doubt sell more iPhones than their iMacs etc!!

i started with a Motorola v500, it was an awesome phone at the time! java apps worked, bluetooth pictures etc ... then i managed to upgrade the OS to the v600!! giving video playback features! then upgraded to a V3 firmware giving video recording! (although i lost the Front Screen)

anyway i would choose my v500 over the iPhone FOR ITS FEATURES! :P

anyway sorry for the rant, my brother desperatly wants the iphone ... i ask him why, he answers "because its cool" ... urgh!! people now-a-days choose looks over functionality!

apple products are designed from the outside to in, whereas windows mobile is from the inside to out. Meaning that the OS has been improved upon before the phone design is changed.

i have a TyTN, and its the best phone ever :) hardware keyboards are the way foreward!!

ooo one more thing, the iPhone lacks hardware buttons full stop! a sleep button, the home button, vol up n down and a mute button is all it has ... all applications that "will" be made will be touch screen only, and for me personally i love buttons :D try playing a SEGA EMULATOR with a touchscreen alone ... OH WAIT! Apple kills your inner gaming child, byebye games, hello OEM features .... and they say Macs are for the younger generation??? hmm ... don't they realise that people play games? ... oh wait they do have games, yes ports from 5 years ago! ...

sorry again! i needed this rant! :D seriously, i feel better now =)

i hear iPhones processor is samsung? x86 my arse! its no OSX inside it, its a mobile equivalent with a fancy skin ... exactly like Windows Mobile is a cut down version of windows =)

*breathes calmly* ... its their money that their wasting :) not mine (the consumers)

[vibranze]

iphone s*ck!
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/apple/what-the-iphone-doesnt-have-272571.php

[schizo]

personally i don't care whether the iPhone is "better" than anything else, what annoys me is the people who say "the iPhones better because its the first phone with a touch screen" .... seriously it makes me want to SHOUT at them for being so ignorant and not researching anything!

.....

*breathes calmly* ... its their money that their wasting :) not mine (the consumers)

Second to that!

Just to help you feeling better, in case you really want to counter-snob those iPhony users, that you're not "as-not-cool" as they think you are, download and install this freeware:

Slide2Unlock
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-slide-2-unlock-v1-14.html

[delude]

There have been several more patches for Slide2Unlock that are in the development and hacking section.

[evolution_theory]

The iPhone has 2 good features.

1) It's an awesome media player. >8525
2) It's touch interface is the inovative >8525

In every other aspect it falls short of the 8525.
The phone its self as a phone is terrible and rated amongh the worst of any other "smart" phone.
The hardware specs are terrible other than the screen.
The Data plans are absurd.
The memory size is small and laughable for the cost.

If you buy an iPhone you should be buying it for:
1) Style
2) Media Player
3) Attention

That's it.

[gthing]

I'm really wondering what your point is. These sentences are the most obvious of your contradictions and nonsense.


My point is this: The iPhone has positive and advanced features.

Now before you cream your jeans trying to write a response about how your PPC can edit Word documents or play games or whatever, please understand the following:

- I never said because the iPhone has advanced features that it out-features any WM phone. It's strong in a few areas and weak in a lot of areas.

- I never suggested anyone buy an iPhone. I wouldn't buy on myself.

- The iPhone is what it is, and nothing more. It doesn't have more bells and whistles than any other decentlt advanced phone out there, but there IS substance behind the hype. It does a few things really well, and overall the interaction and experience is a step forward in many ways (that doesn't mean in ALL ways).

- I'm not disagreeing with most of the negative points that people have brought up about the iPhone. Yes, it lacks 3G, ringtones, 3rd party applications, etc. etc. etc. ad infinitum. But that doesn't mean it can't have a better screen, more responsive feel, a kickass browser, or good media playing capabilities.

Everyone assumes because I say I like X feature about the iPhone that I must be a mac fanboy and trying to sell everyone one. I would just like to see one of the haters here admit that the iPhone has a better web browser or better interface (features aside) than Windows Mobile. It seems impossible.

[schizo]

thanks delude...

Oh Giles, you can also download and install this:

ContactManager v0.6
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-contactmanager-v0-6.html

Flicking and scrolling with finger... practical idea...

But iPhony's 6 steps to make a phone call (for lacking hardware button of phone function) is teribbly wrong idea on practicality... CMIIW

Anyway, i really share your rants. I really hate hypes. I don't even follow iPod's hypes several years ago. And it turned out I'm lucky i didn't overspent my money in an overpriced "cool gadget", which obviously just a mere MP3 player, with hype.

But I do admire Steve Jobs's flair on marketing though. I agree that when many "ordinary people" really misinformed that this iPhony is the first gadget that can do this and that, which no other devices can do (which is only a little bit partially true), then there is a significant "information gap" within mobile phone users society.

But hey, on the bright side, if there's no such "information gap", this forum will be full of n00b...... asking annoying things... with short uninformative subject: "Help!"

So much for the bright side... LoL. =D

[Doom Tints]

The iPhone is what it is, and nothing more. It doesn't have more bells and whistles than any other decentlt advanced phone out there

If it is the same as all other smart phones out there, then stfu. The hype is clearly overdone if the thing is merely typical. (Which it's not, it's not as good.)

It's pretty easy to use your own arguments against you, I think it's pretty obvious that you're just trolling here and saying whatever you can say in order to illicit a response.

[fatouraee]

I’ve had mine for couple of days now and I can tell you it is just a phone. I tried replacing my Athena with this but nope it will never happen. iphone is just a very nice phone and that’s it you get used to all the animation and stuff and it gets old very fast. you cant do nothing I mean no expense tracker apps or anything for this phone.

[Netrunner2K]

Hey, can you tell me about the hermes. you are talking about the 8525 right?
Is the processor 400mhz a big difference to the 8125, 200mhz.
Is it also USB 2.0 transfer. I really hate the 8125's slow usb 1.0 transfer. Have to take my card out of the phone and use a seperate reader to transfer my moviez and songs.

I find that the 8525 is much much better then the 8125. I've had both. I found the 8125 to be lagging in processor speed which hindered the operation of the various software components. The increase from 200Mhz to 400Mhz is a great jump, however the chipset was changed as well as the 8525 does not use a TI chipset but a Samsung chipset (If I recall). I feel that both the change of the chipset manufacturer as well as the Mhz increase improves the reliability of the phone. After owning the 8125 for many months, I was dishartened by it's performance. I ended up losing the phone a few months ago and now bought the 8525. I can say that I am much much happier with the 8525. It has renewed my faith in PPC based smartphones as being serious piece of computing equipment to complement sysadmins on the go.

[starkruzr]

....Thats my 2 cents, Apple products usually have a longevity of 1 yr... SO be wise, and buy an extended waranty for your propriety toy.

What the hell are you talking about?

My friend is still using a Powerbook he got in 2001. My Macbook Pro looks like it did the day I got it. My iPod still works perfectly 4 years after I got it.

Apple's build quality isn't stellar, but it's pretty damn good.

[gthing]

If it is the same as all other smart phones out there, then stfu. The hype is clearly overdone if the thing is merely typical. (Which it's not, it's not as good.)

It's pretty easy to use your own arguments against you, I think it's pretty obvious that you're just trolling here and saying whatever you can say in order to illicit a response.

You should read what I wrote. I wrote that the iPhone "DIDN'T" have more features than any other phone.

All I ever said is that it does some things really well - better even then other phones.

Those two statements are not contradictory, and I'm sorry if you can't comprehend that.

I guess if saying something positive about an Apple product makes you a troll, then I'm a troll.

I'll try harder to conform to your opinions in the future.

[maevro]

The iPhone is just better for some people. I personally will stick with WM6...nor now at least.

I live in NYC, where HSDPA runs wild. Why someone who uses 3G would go to an iPhone is beyond me. EDGE is slow.

I love 3rd party applications, thats one of the best things that makes WM5/WM6. Not being able to add them, well....thats pushes me away. I know you will see some firmware updates soon for the IM and other small things, but you won't see UMTS or HSDPA for a while as they will need to release a new iPhone.

But the iPhone UI is quick and the screen is nice. I am going to buy one for my girlfriend, as it is perfect for her. She can use the phone, use the iPod, text and use the internet. My cousin bought one and he is happy, but he has told me it does crash like WM phones.

If the iPhone works for you, enjoy it. No need to bash other people for what they like. You might as well tell him his favorite band sucks too.

The 8125 is old and slow, I will bash that because I had one a few years back. The 8525 blows it away in every area. I had both of them, but I love my Trinity because I got sick of the slide out keyboard.

[Doom Tints]

You should read what I wrote. I wrote that the iPhone "DIDN'T" have more features than any other phone.

I know that you wrote that it didn't have any more features. And that's what I responded to. Please re-read what I wrote to you. Are you drunk?

[zoidster]

I am what you may call an Apple "fanboy" , I am writing this on a Macbook , listening to my Video iPod , in the other room is my iMac (you get the picture)
I find all Apple products to be stylish , easy to use , reliable and impressive to anyone who comes around my house

BUT , I probably WON'T be buying this incarnation of the iPhone - as the whole Idea of a data device without at least 3G connectivity makes it a non starter to me ! , but then we have to remember that this device is predominantly for the American market , and the US doesn't use 3G

It is now being speculated that o2 wil get the iPhone , and they will launch their EDGE network to coincide with the iPhones launch - but I still feel this would be too little too late , as I am now on my 3rd HSDPA device , and T-mobile have HSDPA across the board (on their 3G coverage )

What winds me up a little , is that Steve Jobs has done an excellent job of convincing the world that the iPhone is "5 years ahead of anything else.... " yeah right , OK Steve !
No mistake , the iPhone is a wonderful device - it will blow away your average Nokia / motorola device , owned by your average person - but it is never going replace our proper PDA devices (at least not yet ! although I wouln't mind betting if Apple ever do re-enter the PDA market , it will blow our socks off !
Incidently , Notice how nobody from Apple has ever even tried to suggest the iPhone is a PDA or Organiser ? (a Phone , ipod and internet device is how it is touted )

And as for SDK 's (I do not have a clue about programming ,and am going from memory ) - But at the WWDC Steve Jobs announced that due to the platforms involved , SDK's were NOT NEEDED , and Third party developers could get on with developing right away ! (something about the Web browser being used to load any apps ) - check out the WWDC video for full details

So , yes , I agree the iphone won't cut it for us - but then I don't think it is aimed at us

[dferreira]

He means that you can only develop for iPhone using Safari... web 2.0 web applications... which is quite restrictive...

[zoidster]

He means that you can only develop for iPhone using Safari... web 2.0 web applications... which is quite restrictive...


Ah I see , I agree, that is far from ideal - especially when coupled with the 2.5G technology !

I think the iPhone is more relavent to the Cellphone & even Fashion markets that it is to the PDA market

[dferreira]

They never said it was a PDA... its a phone+ipod+internet device and thats it :) It does look good tho... but I think we can do much better on our PDA's :)

[mcnasby]

Some of you folks are fucking nuts. You have some sort of personal vendetta against a goddamn gadget as if it stole your one and only true love. If you hate the device that much - go, try it (iPhone) out in the store, and feel good that you have a far superior WM device.

End of story.

[bngmhse]

I think what he meant was the iPhone doesn't have a REMOVABLE SIM card. There isn't a way to access it (although I'm sure you could if you pulled the phone apart) because the battery also ISN'T removeable along with there being no back cover. This phone is just one big 'thing'.

-Nstefanelli-

HERMES IS BETTER

Sim card is right in the top of the phone. Can be removed w/ paperclip or other small object!

[TheBrit]

Some of you folks are fucking nuts. You have some sort of personal vendetta against a goddamn gadget as if it stole your one and only true love. If you hate the device that much - go, try it (iPhone) out in the store, and feel good that you have a far superior WM device.

End of story.

No so. First of all the iPhone has been hyped and hyped and hyped and because of that there will be some disappointed customers out there. Why? Because while it does look gorgeous and has a fantastic use interface - it is quite limited in its functionality when compared with a Windows Mobile device.

I don't know where the "you can't remove the SIM" comments came from. This is just not true and spreading falsehoods like this does not help the debate.

One issue though...you can't get at the battery to change it. Huh? What's that about?

[CmdKewin]

I for one would LOVE to have the iPhone's screen on my TyTn... Just because of it's size.
Apple's new gadget isn't due in europe for some more time anyways, so by then the Kaiser should be out :) Anyone want a spare TyTn?