WM6 first impressions [Archive]

boinger66

2nd July 2007, 07:50 AM

I will be willing to answer any questions you have regarding wm6

my first impressions of it are pretty good... its running quite stable on my athena with apps installed

-spb mobile shell (does not work if autohide is disabled)
-spb brain evolution
-spb diary (installing this did significantly slow it down)
-wisbar advance beta 4
-resco explorer
-resco keyboard
-ae button plus
-wm5storage
-htc audio plugin

there are some more but im copying some files so i cant use the phone

intially its very very fast... much faster than wm5 noticbly so

It does seem to support native vga as in device info the resolution is listed at 640x480

i dont however see the terminal client for remote login... i could be lookin in the wrong place? i dunno

the included dialer skin / theme is quite nice

Everything seems to be working flawlessly i havent tried voip yet...

IE data speeds seem to be significantly faster for me... as compared to wm5

Ill be posting more later once i use it a bit more...

p.loong

2nd July 2007, 08:13 AM

Mind to share Windows Media Player Skin

Wiz

2nd July 2007, 08:46 AM

No issues found yet. The device seems *a lot* snappier, and indeed the GPS fix occurs a lot faster. I now also suddenly have a fix inhouse ... (allbeit near the window). In WM5 that simply would not happen.

bydandie

2nd July 2007, 09:43 AM

It does seem to support native vga as in device info the resolution is listed at 640x480

This resolution is listed in the WM5 too, does your device have smaller buttons, menus etc?

boinger66

2nd July 2007, 11:28 AM

This resolution is listed in the WM5 too, does your device have smaller buttons, menus etc?

no the icon sizes seem the same but when I try to install a qvga skin it takes up the same portion when running previosly in wm5 with truevga mode

so I think it is truevga mode

also while typing the text prediciont works real well

Pyrofer

2nd July 2007, 01:21 PM

Ergh, can I get rid of the horrible GREEN comm manager?

Other than that, its wm6 again.. Ahh, sigh of releif.

inspectorgadjet

2nd July 2007, 01:33 PM

If you change the theme of your device to the windows default and then restart it should get rid of the horrible skin. For some reason mine kept the phone dialler skin until I had restarted again, but now it's not so green any more.

My first impressions are that the device itself runs very well with WM6. So far no real hassles. The only thing I have discovered is that TomTom 6 now thinks my device is a new device so it looks like WM6 has changed the hardware ID. I am still able to use my device. I had to manually active the maps though and the TomTom application for downloading maps and updates won't let me change my device to the 'new' one.

bydandie

2nd July 2007, 01:49 PM

no the icon sizes seem the same but when I try to install a qvga skin it takes up the same portion when running previosly in wm5 with truevga mode

so I think it is truevga mode

also while typing the text prediciont works real well

Yep, the buttons are large. I'm not quite with you with the other comment, could you post a screenshot? Have you managed to get the smaller homescreen top/bottom bars without installing VGA hack software?

Apart from that, everything is a lot faster, typing on the keyboard is more responsive and I'm happy, deffo worth it just for the proper email client alone.

boinger66

2nd July 2007, 02:01 PM

Yep, the buttons are large. I'm not quite with you with the other comment, could you post a screenshot? Have you managed to get the smaller homescreen top/bottom bars without installing VGA hack software?

Apart from that, everything is a lot faster, typing on the keyboard is more responsive and I'm happy, deffo worth it just for the proper email client alone.
well for example if you use a plugin for a qvga device...

it wont fill the screen

it only takes the same amount of screen space as it would on a qvga device

ie about 1/4 of the screen (i would post a pic but i removed the software)

so that leads me to believe its vga

beginner

2nd July 2007, 02:18 PM

I can't find the option, did you find it?

Abram

2nd July 2007, 02:59 PM

well for example if you use a plugin for a qvga device...

it wont fill the screen

it only takes the same amount of screen space as it would on a qvga device

ie about 1/4 of the screen (i would post a pic but i removed the software)

so that leads me to believe its vga

Hi boinger66,

My main reason for getting the athena is because I do a lot of reading & editing on-the-go mostly pdfs, docs, spreadsheets & powerpoint files. Can you tell me if using these programs with lots of words on-screen (PIE, pdfs,docs, xls) whether there is an increase in the real estate? Is there less scrolling etc, just like you'd see with the vga hacks? Also, are options available to change the resolutions on the fly? Does using the "High Res" option in PIE make a huge difference than before?
Many thanks for your help

Abe.

shaytaan

2nd July 2007, 03:27 PM

eagle 1

2nd July 2007, 03:51 PM

Hi boinger66,

My main reason for getting the athena is because I do a lot of reading & editing on-the-go mostly pdfs, docs, spreadsheets & powerpoint files. Can you tell me if using these programs with lots of words on-screen (PIE, pdfs,docs, xls) whether there is an increase in the real estate? Is there less scrolling etc, just like you'd see with the vga hacks? Also, are options available to change the resolutions on the fly? Does using the "High Res" option in PIE make a huge difference than before?
Many thanks for your help

Abe.

The IE high resolution and fit to screen do help, but it also makes the test pretty small. As an example, when displaying yahoo.com, and set to high resolution and fit to screen; the whole width of the web page is displayed.

mailpravinat

2nd July 2007, 04:03 PM

hey can i install antena wm6.0 in o2 atom life....pls try to help me out...

pls send some sdp softwares to my mail id...mailpravinat@yahoo.com

fallenczar

2nd July 2007, 05:11 PM

Hi boinger66,

My main reason for getting the athena is because I do a lot of reading & editing on-the-go mostly pdfs, docs, spreadsheets & powerpoint files. Can you tell me if using these programs with lots of words on-screen (PIE, pdfs,docs, xls) whether there is an increase in the real estate? Is there less scrolling etc, just like you'd see with the vga hacks? Also, are options available to change the resolutions on the fly? Does using the "High Res" option in PIE make a huge difference than before?
Many thanks for your help

Abe.

let me answer your questions....
1)there is no increase in real estate vs wm5 except in PIE
2)There no no option to change resolution on the fly
3)Yes it does (Pie and Hi-res)

these comments are based on my experience with uni and not athena but are valid for all VGA devices

Additionally there have been reports that VGA Hacks don't work with the later cores of wm6 (the release candidate)

fatouraee

2nd July 2007, 05:14 PM

faster than wm5. i had it on xda exec and when i changed to x7500 I kinda missed it but its back baby.
I was happy to see wm6 yesterday. i bought an iphone to see how it is and i was actually disappointed but wm6 made my day.
Thank you xda-dev.

hdubli

2nd July 2007, 07:19 PM

Guys try using Mvr True VGA 1.2 it works..

boinger66

2nd July 2007, 07:37 PM

Nara-e-Mastana

2nd July 2007, 07:59 PM

I think some expert developers needs to extract the VGA<->QVGA toggle cab files or setup files from "Universal WM6 ROM" and give a try....
May be it will work for our Athena as well....

What do you guys say?

I was really hoping that new ROM is gonna solve this problem...and we will not have to use TrueVga type hacks...

WM6 is fast :)

Ecraseur

2nd July 2007, 08:57 PM

The Battery problem is still here. You can see only 10, 20, 30, 40 % .... but never 94 %

eagle 1

2nd July 2007, 09:10 PM

Guys try using Mvr True VGA 1.2 it works..

I see you recommend version 1.2, any reason you say 1.2 instead of version 1.3?

ID64

2nd July 2007, 10:01 PM

Pantaloonie

2nd July 2007, 10:17 PM

And I think Google Maps work now. I don't remember if it worked on WM5 or not.

Google maps is working on WM5 too - they recently released an updated version.

Pyrofer

2nd July 2007, 11:28 PM

Its worked for a while, as long as you get the latest one from the website.
They fixed it.

lukasz

3rd July 2007, 12:51 AM

How is BT headset working in WM6?

- Is it still turning on wireless stereo each time you do softreset?
- what about Caller ID presentation on the BT headsets screen in Motorola S705 for example

spzero

3rd July 2007, 12:53 AM

I see you recommend version 1.2, any reason you say 1.2 instead of version 1.3?

just installed version 1.3 sweeeeet it works smoth as a babys backside

apd

3rd July 2007, 01:08 AM

Does anyone have the files for this as it seems to be missing from the wm6 ROM? Otherwise this rom is much better / faster than wm5.

spzero

3rd July 2007, 01:26 AM

Does anyone have the files for this as it seems to be missing from the wm6 ROM? Otherwise this rom is much better / faster than wm5.

Look in this thread

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=298594&highlight=windows+vista+on+athena

wgary

3rd July 2007, 02:54 AM

Two major questions before I jump in:

1. Support for "true" VGA resolution. The screenshots all look like QVGA. But does the following post suggest all is well using MrvRealVGA? spzero, can you confirm?
just installed version 1.3 sweeeeet it works smoth as a babys backside

2. Support for MS VoiceCommand 1.6. I saw one post that said there were issues and the "usual" WM6 fixes weren't working. Can anyone confirm? (Or hopefully disconfirm? :) )

Thanks to all for very informative thread. I've learned a ton.

Nara-e-Mastana

3rd July 2007, 06:11 AM

Did you guys notice the memory leak issue....I mean, as compare to original WM5?
I open few programs and then clear the memory....but I don't get the amount of memory back which I used to get it with WM5.

Did some1 notice this thing or its only me?

apd

3rd July 2007, 09:30 AM

Look in this thread

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=298594&highlight=windows+vista+on+athena

Cheers spzero!!

hdbueller

3rd July 2007, 02:45 PM

Two major questions before I jump in:

1. Support for "true" VGA resolution. The screenshots all look like QVGA. But does the following post suggest all is well using MrvRealVGA? spzero, can you confirm?

2. Support for MS VoiceCommand 1.6. I saw one post that said there were issues and the "usual" WM6 fixes weren't working. Can anyone confirm? (Or hopefully disconfirm? :) )

Thanks to all for very informative thread. I've learned a ton.

I can only address the ms vc1.6 issue,but it works fine for all but the incoming caller ID announcement. You MUST go into vc and set all of the settings up FIRST! Then power down the phone for 10 seconds and then do a soft reset. This DOES work!! I now have all but the incoming announcement of the caller ID! MS is working on a fix for that too..........
Later...........:)

spzero

3rd July 2007, 05:30 PM

had problems with windows live i dont know if it was the true vga but no option to log in so could sync my emails. but it keept freezing and there was no option to log in??? well installed the cab for the verasiobn that was posted on here right at the begining for windows live this too kept freezing butg eventually it worked however it now has 2 instances of windows live in programs list the second one shows as 'windows live (1)' but it does work just a heads up

Confucious

3rd July 2007, 05:52 PM

Does anyone else get annoyed by the fact that the left softkey in messages is now "Delete" not "New" (What idiot thought that was a good idea)
Or the fact that after typing in your 4 digit PIN you know have to click "Unlock" where in WM5 it went straight in after the 4th digit.
Apart from that, I love WM6 so far...

eagle 1

3rd July 2007, 07:32 PM

Yes, the new soft key delete has raised many complaints for many months. See the hermes or universal forums...Lots of complaints and some who actually like it..

I actually like it. I delete more from my mobile, than create new emails or sms. If i create, I usually use my laptop or desktop, while using my mobile more for reading. etc...

darkjedi

3rd July 2007, 10:27 PM

I delete FAR more than I create. THAT is why MS did that.

eagle 1

4th July 2007, 02:16 AM

I delete FAR more than I create. THAT is why MS did that.

So see - DarkJedi (or Ishimaru) is to blame for the Delete key in message app. MS asked him and he said I would rather see Delete.

thanks Darkjedi...I like the Delete instead of new!

Confucious

4th July 2007, 08:22 AM

Do you guys delete individual messages?! I always delete a few at a time so still highlight them and hold down the stylus - I have never used the delete softkey, but I do create new texts and emails all the time (although most are just replies) and so really miss the 'New' softkey. :(

spoonter

4th July 2007, 12:50 PM

Fan-fricken-tastic! Thank you so much tupisdin!

I downloaded and installed ATHE_T-MOB005.rar on my T-Mobile UK Ameo and it worked without a hitch. Even the GPRS setting were built-in. For info, My Ameo is SIM and CID locked.

I have tested MvRTrueVGA_v1.3.cab however decided to uninstall it after having issues with missing icons, the taskbar and commanager. This is not such an issue for me because I like the look of WM6 in QVGA mode much better than WM5 in QVGA. I have set the default text size to small and ideally would like to shirk the taskbar and the softkey bar not sure if this is possible.

Also, I have installed the new SBP Mobile Shell 1.5 and it's brilliant in QVGA. So it's QVGA all the way for me.
Other tests I have done:

Jabra BT8010 - I did not need to perform the stereo registry tweak, however may look into increasing the quality setting, however walking to work this morning I found for the first time I did not experince a single break in sound when playing mp3's.

Camera - appears to be the same camera as the WM5 ROM, however for me it performed noticeably faster.

TomTomv6 - works a dream. Faster I suspect.

TCPMPv81 - Some issues. After applying the usual settings, it still has the occasional issue of image being scrambled when using the ATI IMAGEON driver requiring a reset. For some reason the DirectDraw driver no longer works.

Regarding the delete softkey debate - personally I got used to it on my old WM6 flashed Wizard. In any case, it prompts "do you really want to delete" anyway, so it hard to accidentally delete a message.

That's it for now.

Spoons

Pyrofer

4th July 2007, 02:23 PM

Anybody else think that the (proper full stereo) A2DP sounds a lot better now?

Confucious

4th July 2007, 02:46 PM

Anybody else think that the (proper full stereo) A2DP sounds a lot better now?

Yes

@spoonter - it's not accidentally deleting messages I'm worried about, it's creating new messages used to be easier. But I have a feeling I',m labouring the point a bit now so I'll shut up. Overall WM6 is a great improvement :)

chrisoyh

6th July 2007, 06:37 AM

Anybody else think that the (proper full stereo) A2DP sounds a lot better now?

Errr ... sorry ... do you need to do the registry hack to have proper full stereo, or is it that way out of the box, so to speak?

victoradjei

6th July 2007, 07:00 AM

Errr ... sorry ... do you need to do the registry hack to have proper full stereo, or is it that way out of the box, so to speak?

set usejointstereo to 0 instead of the default 1 here with a reg edit like total commander.
HKLM>SOFTEWARE>MICROSOFT>BLUETOOTH.>A2DP

Pyrofer

6th July 2007, 11:06 AM

I think we are talking 100% better A2DP now!

I am using the same headphones, same settings in the registry, but much better sound output.

Ahh, finally I can be happy listening to music this way for long periods. After one song my ears hurt before.

I just think its silly to have DELETE as a quick softkey, far too easy to hit by mistake.

And yes, you still need to do the reg hack for full stereo, change the bitpool stuff too.

whoster69

7th July 2007, 11:09 PM

i dont think you guys are understanding what i am saying

it is true vga

they just made the icons and buttons the same size for easy viewing

if you make smaller icons you get the realestate increase

for example if you install a qvga plug in it will not work...

it will take up the upper left corner of the screen only ... this can be observed by installing the htc audio manage today screen plugin

I'm really beginning to wonder if anyone is listening to you or if there's just some big misunderstanding here. From what you say, it sounds like it's running in VGA mode, but others sounds like they are assuming it is not.

Come on guys, Boinger66 says it's VGA. What makes you think it's QVGA? I think we need to nail this down once and for all. Is it QVGA or VGA and how can we be certain?

boinger66

7th July 2007, 11:25 PM

I'm really beginning to wonder if anyone is listening to you or if there's just some big misunderstanding here. From what you say, it sounds like it's running in VGA mode, but others sounds like they are assuming it is not.

Come on guys, Boinger66 says it's VGA. What makes you think it's QVGA? I think we need to nail this down once and for all. Is it QVGA or VGA and how can we be certain?
well my insights are just theories more than facts... lol i know there are way more experienced ppl that could shed light on the issue

my only observation was when loading a qvga plugin it failed to occupy the whole screen as happens normally with qvga software running in vga mode

fallenczar

7th July 2007, 11:27 PM

I'm really beginning to wonder if anyone is listening to you or if there's just some big misunderstanding here. From what you say, it sounds like it's running in VGA mode, but others sounds like they are assuming it is not.

Come on guys, Boinger66 says it's VGA. What makes you think it's QVGA? I think we need to nail this down once and for all. Is it QVGA or VGA and how can we be certain?

the fact that ozvga and mrtruevga or whatever there names are work (or partially work) should be evidence enough that this thing is still sevga
(it was never qvga...)

whoster69

8th July 2007, 12:24 AM

the fact that ozvga and mrtruevga or whatever there names are work (or partially work) should be evidence enough that this thing is still sevga
(it was never qvga...)

Whoa... What is sevga?

leoni1980

9th July 2007, 03:24 PM

No-one seems to be actually talking about WM6 in this thread anymore!

I've used MVRtrue Vga on and off for the last few weeks but I'm starting to use it less and less now since it has no bearing on internet explorer or remote desktop and simply makes it necessary to use the stylus and keyboard all the time. The advantages seem minimal.

Just a quick one on WM6: I installed the T-Mobile ROM and was a little disappointed with the speed. In trying to get WM5torage working I did a hard reset, then a soft reset before any of the customizations could be installed. My Ameo is now blazing fast with no lag at all. Has anyone else tried this?

Looking forward to some new customized ROMs soon thanks to Olipro's great work.

Wiz

9th July 2007, 04:04 PM

Whoa... What is sevga?

Ok, I'll try to make this clear for everyone. The Athena's screen is VGA. Not a pixel less, not a pixel more. However, there isn't a single VGA device that actually uses the screen in proper VGA mode. They all use pixel-doubling instead. Basically this means that QVGA resolution is souped up with additional pixels to render a better image.

It's programs such as MrVGA that "force" the WM operating system to really start using all the pixels in a proper VGA mode.

whoster69

9th July 2007, 04:26 PM

Ok, I'll try to make this clear for everyone. The Athena's screen is VGA. Not a pixel less, not a pixel more. However, there isn't a single VGA device that actually uses the screen in proper VGA mode. They all use pixel-doubling instead. Basically this means that QVGA resolution is souped up with additional pixels to render a better image.

It's programs such as MrVGA that "force" the WM operating system to really start using all the pixels in a proper VGA mode.

Thanks wiz. That helps a lot! So does this mean that WM6 doesn't natively support VGA, but instead uses this souped up QVGA so you have to use MrVGA to get true VGA?

spoonter

9th July 2007, 05:24 PM

set usejointstereo to 0 instead of the default 1 here with a reg edit like total commander.
HKLM>SOFTEWARE>MICROSOFT>BLUETOOTH.>A2DP

You no longer need to change this setting. UseJointStero=1 is the defualt setting and, surprisingly, it does actually provide true stereo! :)

This posting has some great tips. I just tired the settings out on me Ameo and it works a treat!

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=308752

ahmadfarid

9th July 2007, 05:38 PM

victoradjei

9th July 2007, 06:26 PM

You no longer need to change this setting. UseJointStero=1 is the defualt setting and, surprisingly, it does actually provide true stereo! :)

This posting has some great tips. I just tired the settings out on me Ameo and it works a treat!

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=308752

I had developed the habit of setting joint stereo to 0 right after every flash or install. So I just went into business as usual. I have reversed it to1, and now my BoomBox is really booming as I write :cool:

From that thread, it was also sugested to delete maxsupported bitpool and bitpool. Has anyone tried it on Athena yet? Was in a hurry to try so I forgot those. Now I have to complete the music playing b4 I go back to edit registry. :o

jerrry

10th July 2007, 12:14 AM

Here you can see the graphs from SPB Benchmark 1.6, the system performance was really increased! Cool.
I was merged the HTC X7500 with original WM5 ROM and the leaked WM6 ROM.

http://smartmania.cz/images/forumnews/X7500_WM6.jpg (http://smartmania.cz/forum/viewtopic.php?p=23527#23527)
(thx to uiqjirka for the SPB Benchmark XML file)

bob_beringer

10th July 2007, 01:14 AM

my first impressions of it are pretty good... its running quite stable on my athena with apps installed

-spb mobile shell (does not work if autohide is disabled)

It does seem to support native vga as in device info the resolution is listed at 640x480

Ill be posting more later once i use it a bit more...[/QUOTE]

Did you get the SPB Mobile Shell working in TrueVGA Mode? Are you using OZVGA or MVRTRUEVGA to switch back and forth between the two modes?

Thanks,
Bob

darkjedi

10th July 2007, 02:08 AM

Yikes, graphics performance is cut in HALF? That's bad :\

victoradjei

10th July 2007, 05:44 AM

Yikes, graphics performance is cut in HALF? That's bad :\

Looks like a typo:confused: Look at the color codes for WM6 and WM5 :rolleyes:

cayotte

10th July 2007, 08:22 AM

Looks like a typo:confused: Look at the color codes for WM6 and WM5 :rolleyes:

The result has been photoshoped?

spoonter

10th July 2007, 03:52 PM

... it was also sugested to delete maxsupported bitpool and bitpool. Has anyone tried it on Athena yet? Was in a hurry to try so I forgot those. Now I have to complete the music playing b4 I go back to edit registry. :o

Yep, I deleted both. I'm not sure if it was deleteing those keys, or adding the SampleRate one, but either way i have never heard hi-fidelity over bluetooth as good as I am hearing now. My Jabra BT8010's now sound as good if not better than most wired headpones I've tired!

ntucker

23rd October 2007, 12:03 AM

I've just upgraded from WM5 to a much faster (supposedly -- I went from an HTC 8125 to an 8925 with a 400MHz proc) WM6 device, and was expecting a huge performance increase for basic stuff, but one thing I've noticed is that IE is significantly slower for scrolling some pretty simple pages. I did a side-by-side test and a page that's a simple 2000-line text article (no images, no fancy styles, etc) causes the scrolling performance on WM6 to be unusably bad, whereas on WM5 it's completely smooth. Note that the scrolling on WM6 at the top of the page is bearable (still noticeably slower than WM5, though), and it progressively gets slower and slower as you get further down the page.

Here's a test page I created:

http://www.nealtucker.com/test/scrollme.html

Anyone else experiencing this? Seems like a pretty bad bug.